It is probably worth stressing this, if you have worse weapons than the pvp
one's, and you're a melee class (eg. rogue or warrior). The pvp weapon is
the single biggest upgrade available for you. I had decent blue weapons
once. And I eventually decided to buy a mainhand sword. I saw an immediate
and noticable change to my performance in bg and I was fairly shocked at how
much improved my character was.

Not saying get those first or anything, but they typically are a huge
improvement on your character.

I have mongoose on both main hand and offhand weapon, double mongoose also
makes a huge difference. At this time, though, I would try saving honor and
tokens until you reach honor\token cap, then buy something. Then reach cap
again, etc. So that when season 4 arrives you can buy pretty much whatever
you want straight away.

ave

sk> One thing that I'm wondering is how I should spend my points and
sk> marks.  I've been going for the accessories before the S1 gear
sk> because
sk> I don't want to get and spend the honour only to have S2 gear become
sk> available shortly afterwards.  I also have the blue PvP gear from
sk> the rep vendors to see me through.  The one thing that is causing me
sk> doubts is the weapons - they are a big upgrade over what I have now
sk> and I wonder if I should just get them ASAP.  Rogues are very
sk> dependant upon their weapons so I'm in a bit of a dilema.  Any
sk> thoughts?

I did same as you and I got ring, boots, bracers immediatly cause it's items
that will have a rating requirement anyway...
For the weapons, 1 night I got really tired of pvping with crap weapons like
2 weeks ago and I just went to buy S1 fist weapons and it made a HUGE
difference that is keeping me in BG and I have no problem grinding for the
rest of the gear. However I didnt enchant the S1 weapons and I was planning
to get S2 before putting moongoose (sp?) on them and I'm still not sure if I
get maces or fist weapons from S2 :p

I dinged 70 with my Rogue this weekend and I've been going for the
quick fix for gear upgrades.  I had more than enough AB and WSG tokens
for what I want to buy initially and so I've been doing the hand ins
to get the honour that I needed.  Now that I've spent all my WSG
tokens on hand ins and gear I've gone back to grinding AV for the next
pieces that I need.  I'm sure that I'll regret it when I come to grind
out the 50 EotS marks that I need for other pieces.  :)

One thing that I'm wondering is how I should spend my points and
marks.  I've been going for the accessories before the S1 gear because
I don't want to get and spend the honour only to have S2 gear become
available shortly afterwards.  I also have the blue PvP gear from the
rep vendors to see me through.  The one thing that is causing me
doubts is the weapons - they are a big upgrade over what I have now
and I wonder if I should just get them ASAP.  Rogues are very
dependant upon their weapons so I'm in a bit of a dilema.  Any
thoughts?

steve.kaye

I would also agree, you should just level to 70 as fast as possible. At
level 63 you are near the bottom of the food chain (60-69 and 61-70 in av).
I wouldn't expect to join a battle group and do well until you're at least
in the top four levels (so 66+) preferably the top two (68+).

Just to note, to help reduce the feeling of impotence... *Everyone* sucks at
pvp when they first play it, you begin to get better when you start to learn
more about the classes in the game and what counters you have against them.

I must confess, my knowledge of paladin pvp is woefully inadequate.
Depending on how serious you're expecting to take pvp games, I would suggest
visiting www.warcraftmovies.com and downloading some of the higher rated
paladin pvp movies. After watching some movies you may come across players
who's names stick in your head (because they impressed you). Then armory
them and compare gear/build and see if there's much you can take away that
could be beneficial to yourself.

As a healer you should be travelling around with a group of people, and they
should be trying to help you out when you get attacked. If that is just not
happening, you could try respeccing a bit more dps centric build (such as
retribution) for the last couple of levels. But I realise that you just
might not be interested in that, only really worth it if you're dying
because no-one helps or so.

It's worth it if your bags are overflowing with tokens. Before this quest
was introduced I had 100 tokens from each battleground and my mail box was
overflowing with more tokens. It can also be worth it if there's a
particular item you want. But if you're not stacked with tokens, it's
probably better to save them in case there's something you want to buy with
them.

ave

My main is Vamoose (Mischa) a 63 ret Pally.

He mostly solos, so does world quests around his level, but
occasionally
pugs or goes with guildies for group quests and instances. Most
recently, non
heroic Ramparts.

My guildies checked Vam out, and told me he's woefully underdressed.
Their
advice was to do BGs to pick up honor until he gets to 70, then get
the best
BG pvp gear he can. The goal was to gear him up so he can do Kara when
he
dings 70.

Well, I tried it this weekend, and found it unbelievably annoying and
tedious.
At a personal level, I suck at PvP, and between that, low gear, and
being
low in the level group (61-69 or 61-70), Vam dies a lot - at least a
dozen times in
a typical AV run.

Its also annoying that every game is the same - there's little
strategic
thinking, and the same people complaining LOUDLY that there's no
strategic thinking. If I try defending a site, I feel like a chump
forgoing
honor when the Alliance is losing (which it does a lot).

If I get into contact with Horde, I get Stunned, Sapped, Feared, and
DoTed so quickly and often that it's no fun at all. You'd think I'd do
well as a healer, but a big blue draenai with a huge flaming sword
attracts a lot of attention, and I get interrupted all the time - not
to
mention that I have a lot of trouble targetting players who need it in
the furball that is a melee.

Questions:

1. Is this the best route to uber gear before 70? Can I do
better with quest drops? I notice there is some very nice
gear in the CoT, available for rep and gold. It looks like its
going to take a long, long time to get enough honor to get
the good lvl 70 stuff.

2. How can I improve my PvP? (Yes, I know: 'practice, practice').
Is there a decent tutorial somewhere?

3. Is the quest that involves 4 mark turnins for
extra honor worth it, or should I keep the marks
separate? I try to be smart about which BG to visit
when, but still try to hit all of them.

Any help would be welcomed.

pt