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Game Forum / Xbox / General Xbox Topics / September 2008Rumors abound that Halo 4 will be a launch title for the next generation Xbox machine
It would be nice to have a Halo game at launch. Of course, talks of the next console at this stage have certain people worried about the path of progression the current system will take and will certainly have the PS3 fanboys going nuts about how history is repeating itself and we won't have anymore 360 exclusives and other such nonsense. More important to me than the time window is the team behind the game. All signs point to Gearbox Software, who will shortly release a current generation Brothers in Arms game and will grace us with an Aliens based first-person shooter next year. I'm quite excited at that prospect because frankly I lost all faith in Bungie after Halo 3 and think a fresh take on the series is sorely needed. > It would be nice to have a Halo game at launch. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > prospect because frankly I lost all faith in Bungie after Halo 3 and > think a fresh take on the series is sorely needed. They need to take the game in a whole different direction. Remove the sword, hammer, balance out the weapons system, uber powerful melee (although I heard it was toned down some since I last played it), remove the over the top jumping, add a duck and cover system, better map design, etc and so on. The game in it's current form screams run and gun arcade shooter with very little in tactics. > > It would be nice to have a Halo game at launch. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The game in it's current form screams run and gun arcade shooter with very > little in tactics. I agree wholeheartedly which is why I was crossing my fingers that a new development team would get it and that it would be a *good* development team. I'm hoping that they scrap the Halo engine, which at 6 years of age is showing a lot of weaknesses, and use, say, Unreal Engine 3 (or hopefully 4 since this will be a next generation game). I can't wait to have my sexuality questioned by a whole new generation of 12 year olds!  SignatureNiGHTS/Nightcrawler [mWo] I feel asleep! "If Gods so fuckin' perfect why'd he f.ck up on you?" >I can't wait to have my sexuality questioned by a whole new generation >of 12 year olds! LOL. How true is that? I'm not quite sure exactly when I became an African American, but according to them, I'm am one for sure, quite a stupid one at that. I don't know which is worse, the Halo 3 players or GTA IV players. Been quite a while since I played either one of those games Live. > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:18:06 +0100, NiGHTS > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > African American, but according to them, I'm am one for sure, quite a > stupid one at that. ROFTLMAO > I don't know which is worse, the Halo 3 players or GTA IV players. > Been quite a while since I played either one of those games Live. I've never had the pleasure of playing any of the GTA IV online modes. >> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:18:06 +0100, NiGHTS >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I've never had the pleasure of playing any of the GTA IV online modes. I played one for about five minutes. Within the first few minutes nearly everyone had quit, leaving me and one other guy on an oversized island with the game generally being him trying to hit me with a car whilst I rolled away at the last minute ad nauseum. Then despite having the higher score when time ran out I lost the round for some reason. Figured I'd stick with the single player after that. SignatureNiGHTS/Nightcrawler [mWo] I feel asleep! "If Gods so fuckin' perfect why'd he f.ck up on you?" On 27 Aug, 09:44, NiGHTS <nightsintodreamsYOHOL...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:18:06 +0100, NiGHTS > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Figured I'd stick with the single player after that. Will GTAIV for the PC feature cross-platform play on the Live service? If so, the online gaming community for GTAIV may improve after the game is released on PC. >I can't wait to have my sexuality questioned by a whole new generation of >12 year olds! Worst fan base I have EVER come across in online gaming. >> I can't wait to have my sexuality questioned by a whole new generation >> of 12 year olds! > > Worst fan base I have EVER come across in online gaming. Yep. However it's not all rosy elsewhere either: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.games.video.xbox/browse_frm/thread/8081955f 896513e6/4ce16914b50a7217?#4ce16914b50a7217 SignatureNiGHTS/Nightcrawler [mWo] I feel asleep! "If Gods so fuckin' perfect why'd he f.ck up on you?" > Of course, talks of the next console at this stage have certain people > worried about the path of progression the current system will take and > will certainly have the PS3 fanboys going nuts about how history is > repeating itself and we won't have anymore 360 exclusives and other > such nonsense. Well, if the 5 year scheme of things holds true we should see the 360 starting to wind down next year as we hear more about the next Xbox with release dates and launch schedules the year after. - Jordan > > Of course, talks of the next console at this stage have certain people > > worried about the path of progression the current system will take and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > starting to wind down next year as we hear more about the next Xbox > with release dates and launch schedules the year after. Some people would have us believe that the next generation of consoles won't arrive until 2012... > > > Of course, talks of the next console at this stage have certain people > > > worried about the path of progression the current system will take and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Some people would have us believe that the next generation of consoles > won't arrive until 2012... Considering the fewer number of games released so far in this generation compared to last, why would developers want to start over with a new console already? > > > > Of course, talks of the next console at this stage have certain people > > > > worried about the path of progression the current system will take and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > generation compared to last, why would developers want to start over > with a new console already? The timeline isn't black and white. There's a LOT of time between now and 2012... On Aug 27, 6:34 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote: > On Aug 27, 10:49 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > generation compared to last, why would developers want to start over > with a new console already? The timeline isn't black and white. There's a LOT of time between now and 2012... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am kind of with Nick on this one. That doesn't make a lot of sense. > On Aug 27, 6:34 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'm not sure if I interpreted what he said correctly. I thought he was implying that it's silly to not want a console before 2012, but based on his answer, I could've been misinterpreting. That said, there is NO reason for the Xbox 360 (or the PS3 for that matter) to have a shortened life cycle like the original Xbox. It seems like at least half the games out there end up being delayed now, meaning that there's still probably a ways to go before developers begin to get a true grasp on developing for HD consoles. Why would they want to start over already for a 2010 launch? If the console- makers are smart, they'll take their time, and make sure that the design isn't fundamentally flawed from a reliability standpoint ( MS), isn't underpowered (Nintendo), and isn't suffering from a bottleneck due to overenthusiastic expectations from the designer regarding some new technological approach (Sony). But that might make too much sense for these guys........... > > On Aug 27, 6:34 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > was implying that it's silly to not want a console before 2012, but > based on his answer, I could've been misinterpreting. I was simply pointing out that there are people who are of the mind that a new console from any of the big 3 won't come out before the end of 2012. I don't believe this and think it would be absurd for Microsoft especially since that would be a 7 year console lifespan when 6 or even 5 would be good enough. > That said, there is NO reason for the Xbox 360 (or the PS3 for that > matter) to have a shortened life cycle like the original Xbox. 4 years is too short but I think even 5 years is fine. A 2011 launch of a new Xbox branded console would be a bit of a stretch to me but I could deal with that. I wouldn't want to have to wait until 2012, though. > It > seems like at least half the games out there end up being delayed now, > meaning that there's still probably a ways to go before developers > begin to get a true grasp on developing for HD consoles. Why would > they want to start over already for a 2010 launch? A 2010 launch is still over 2 years out and it seems there aren't even any exclusives lined up for the Xbox anymore. The delays are more on the Playstation 3 side of things because the Playstation 3 is such a pain in the a.s to work with. If I were a developer, I wouldn't be happy about a new console just for the sake of a new console, but if Sony were to release a new console that was more powerful than the PS3 and, most importantly, easier to work with, I would much rather deal with that. > If the console- > makers are smart, they'll take their time, and make sure that the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > new technological approach (Sony). But that might make too much sense > for these guys........... That would be nice but I wouldn't hold your breath. I'm not convinced that Nintendo or Sony would heed your advice but I think Microsoft got smacked way too many times to overlook this the next go-round. > > > On Aug 27, 6:34 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > especially since that would be a 7 year console lifespan when 6 or > even 5 would be good enough. Waiting until 2012 for the Xbox720 wouldn't be absurd, because, as I've said, HD gaming development has a ways to go before becoming as efficient as prior generations. If the expectations for the next generation are even greater, developers need to be able to hit the new hardware with a well-honed development model from years of experience. > > That said, there is NO reason for the Xbox 360 (or the PS3 for that > > matter) to have a shortened life cycle like the original Xbox. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > could deal with that. I wouldn't want to have to wait until 2012, > though. Why? Is there really a need to get a new console just for the hell of it? I'd rather see developers get good at using what's available for a few years, rather than have everything thrown out the window before they get a chance to exploit it. The PC developer "arms race", where people had to constantly buy new CPUs, graphics cards, etc., because developers kept making games that were too inefficient to run on the average gaming computer, has turned many a person off of PC gaming. > > It > > seems like at least half the games out there end up being delayed now, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A 2010 launch is still over 2 years out and it seems there aren't even > any exclusives lined up for the Xbox anymore. But exclusivity isn't quite as big of a thing anymore- it's getting the games out period. And I'm guessing that Microsoft still has some more exclusives yet to come (Forza 3 will be good if the fanboy rumours about over 100 tracks are true). But nowadays, developers seem to need at least 2 years to get a game out. > The delays are more on the Playstation 3 side of things because the > Playstation 3 is such a pain in the a.s to work with. I'm seeing delays for all games, irregardless of system, nowadays. I was counting on Just Cause 2 coming out this month, but looks like that's not happening................. >If I were a > developer, I wouldn't be happy about a new console just for the sake [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Kutaragi is ooooout of the picture for Sony, and he was the instigator of all the unrealistic hype starting from the PS1, so I think there'll be a shakeup before PS4 begins development. Nintendo.........well, maybe not, but they could be waiting until HD tech becomes cheaper to produce, as hardware profitability is their focus. Microsoft........well, we'll see. Between last-gen's Thompson DVD- drive debacle and the RROD this time around, I don't have faith in their hardware reliability, save the controllers (MS usually makes decent, reliable controllers). I do have faith in their ability to produce good, anti-aliased graphics. > > > > On Aug 27, 6:34 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > I've said, HD gaming development has a ways to go before becoming as > efficient as prior generations. I'm not so convinced about that. I think development on Xbox 360 games is just fine but studios are being held back by development for the Playstation 3 platform. It wasn't nearly as big a change going from Xbox to Xbox 360 as it was going from Playstation 2 to Playstation 3 and that's hurting studios still. While it's true that Xbox 360 developers may not have tapped the full potential of the system yet or have not figured out all the neat little tricks, they're doing pretty well in putting the games together with good results (well, except for problems in online play :-P). > If the expectations for the next > generation are even greater, developers need to be able to hit the new > hardware with a well-honed development model from years of experience. I think this is more of a problem for the Playstation platform than for the other two. Seeing as how both Microsoft and Nintendo were very good at keeping the architecture similar enough to the previous generation that developers could easily jump into this generation's development tasks, it's safe to assume it will be the same going to the next generation. > > > That said, there is NO reason for the Xbox 360 (or the PS3 for that > > > matter) to have a shortened life cycle like the original Xbox. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why? Is there really a need to get a new console just for the hell of > it? What does that have to do with anything? A new console means better, more powerful components. If the next Xbox comes out with the same general architecture but a more powerful processor for, say, physics- based tasks or artificial intelligence; twice the amount of memory; a more streamlined and more powerful graphics processor; a standard hard drive; a faster optical drive (maybe even Blu-Ray); etc. - you don't think this would be good? If it's good enough for the PC gaming industry - where developers don't have to completely switch gears going from CPU to CPU, GPU to GPU, etc. and just learn how to work with more of everything - it's good enough for the console gaming industry. Sony might be moronic enough to put out a new console that is once again completely different from its predecessor, but Microsoft and Nintendo have shown they know the value of a consistent development experience. > I'd rather see developers get good at using what's available for > a few years, rather than have everything thrown out the window before > they get a chance to exploit it. The PC developer "arms race", where > people had to constantly buy new CPUs, graphics cards, etc., because > developers kept making games that were too inefficient to run on the > average gaming computer, has turned many a person off of PC gaming. You're looking at things in black and white. There's a big leap from new components every 6 months in the PC world to consoles lasting 7 years. There's a LOT of wiggle room between those two end points. > > > It > > > seems like at least half the games out there end up being delayed now, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > rumours about over 100 tracks are true). But nowadays, developers > seem to need at least 2 years to get a game out. Exclusivity is useful in one clear way - developers wouldn't be anchored down by having to struggle with a Playstation 3 version of the game. The overwhelming majority of this generation's development woes have been attributed to the convoluted architecture of the Playstation 3. > > The delays are more on the Playstation 3 side of things because the > > Playstation 3 is such a pain in the a.s to work with. > > I'm seeing delays for all games, irregardless of system, nowadays. I > was counting on Just Cause 2 coming out this month, but looks like > that's not happening................. I didn't even know there was a Just Cause 2 coming out, LOL. I'm talking about the higher profile games. In any case, you're comparing one Xbox 360 game to the dozens of Playstation 3 games that have suffered from massive delays. While it's true that it's better to get a good game out later, it can't be a good thing that most of the PS3's key software has been pushed back multiple times and 2-3 years pretty much across the board. > >If I were a > > developer, I wouldn't be happy about a new console just for the sake [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > of all the unrealistic hype starting from the PS1, so I think there'll > be a shakeup before PS4 begins development. If any platform needs more time to really evolve, it's the Playstation 3 platform. They got a late start that was also slow because they imposed upon the developers the biggest and most convoluted changes that required the most amount of time investment to struggle through. The system still has untapped potential so it makes sense to have a 2012 launch for the next version. > Nintendo.........well, > maybe not, but they could be waiting until HD tech becomes cheaper to > produce, as hardware profitability is their focus. You wouldn't be jacked up if Nintendo came out with a console that had performance somewhere between the Xbox and the Xbox 360 along with the interactivity of the Wii? (assuming, of course, the developers actually put out more interesting hardcore games...) > Microsoft........well, we'll see. Between last-gen's Thompson DVD- > drive debacle and the RROD this time around, I don't have faith in > their hardware reliability, save the controllers (MS usually makes > decent, reliable controllers). I do have faith in their ability to > produce good, anti-aliased graphics. If anything, Microsoft should have gotten a jump start on the development of their next console to give them more time at the end to perform the QA testing needed to avoid hardware issues. |
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