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Game Forum / PlayStation / PlayStation / July 2006PS3 shipments from Asustek since the beginning of July
This is really great news. It is probably about the motherboards for the PS3, not the whole console but Asustek makes the best PC motherboards. At last, the last year of xflop fanbitch and The Inquirer total horseshit starts coming to an end. Tokyo Game Show is going to totally destroy the xflop 3-shitty. http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20060719PB202.html Asustek ships PS3, CyberTAN may land PS3-use Wi-Fi module orders 19 July 2006 The Chinese-language Apple Daily and Commercial Times reported today that Asustek Computer started shipments of PlayStation 3 game consoles in small volume since the beginning of July, with the first consignment to total four million units. The worldwide debut of Sony's PS3 is expected to take place on November 11. In addition, Sony will likely place PS3-use Wi-Fi module orders with Taiwan contract suppliers, with CyberTAN Technology being the most likely beneficiary, according to the Apple Daily. After the first batch of PS3 shipments from Asustek, Foxconn Electronics (the registered trade name of Hon Hai Precision Industry) will also supply Sony's PS3 game consoles when demand rises, indicated the Apple Daily. The paper cited sources at Taiwan component suppliers as saying that about 200,000 component sets were shipped to Asustek in June and the volume will grow this month. In September and October, the suppliers estimate to ship more than one million sets to the game console manufacturer, the paper added. > Tokyo Game Show is going to totally destroy the xflop 3-shitty. I remember when you said that about this year's E3. That was hilarious. Dub hasath spokeneth theseth wordeths ofeth wisethdometh: > > Tokyo Game Show is going to totally destroy the xflop 3-shitty. > > I remember when you said that about this year's E3. That was > hilarious. We all know Sony didn't look the best at the last E3, but in all honesty what the f.ck did MS even have? I think most people weren't too impressed with them, other than the fanboys. I remember more of that Gears of War sh.t with Cliffy B trying to do his best "I'm an attention whore" poses, and then the lame a.s laughable Halo 3 trailer. But other than that, wtf did they even have? It was Nintendo that really looked good at E3, not Microsoft. I'd say the only thing that even hurt Sony was the misconception about the PS3's price and the fact that some of the games weren't ready to be shown. Yes, I said misconception. I had a friend of mine tell me today that he heard the PS3 costs $600. I told him, eh? It's only $500 and comes with a DVD and Bluray player. He said I was wrong, and I just shrugged. -- Mr. Impressive <10inches@Home.com> spake thusly: > We all know Sony didn't look the best at the last E3, but in all > honesty what the f.ck did MS even have? Second-gen 360 games that looked amazing. Gears of War, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Lost Planet, Turok, Rainbow Six: Vegas, the Assassins Creed "PS3" demo that was actually playing on an Xbox 360 devkit, to name a few. > I think most people weren't > too impressed with them, other than the fanboys. The fanboys and pretty much every major nonpartisan gaming site and magazine. Do you live in a cave? Wait, don't answer that. > I remember more of that Gears of War sh.t with Cliffy B trying to do > his best "I'm an attention whore" poses That would be the game voted best console game and/or best multiplayer game by virtually every gaming website and mag there is? Yeah, I remember it. > and then the lame a.s > laughable Halo 3 trailer LOL. Yeah, Halo 3's gonna suuuuuuck man. > But other than that, wtf did they even have? See above. > I had a friend of mine See, now we know you're lying. You, have a friend? ROFL. -Z- Zackman hasath spokeneth theseth wordeths ofeth wisethdometh: I fixed your post. >Second-gen 360 games that looked average. >Also most of these will be on PS3. >Mass Effect, >Bioshock, >Splinter Cell: Double Agent, >Lost Planet, >Turok, >Rainbow Six: Vegas, >Third-gen 360 games that looked average. >Gears of War <-Won't be out for a long time >In my dream the Assassins Creed "PS3" demo that was actually playing on >an Xbox 360 devkit. -- Mr. Impressive <10inches@Home.com> spake thusly: > I fixed your post to match my own delusional fanboy ravings. Um... well, thanks for being honest about it at least. -Z- > Vegas, the Assassins Creed "PS3" demo that was actually playing on an Xbox > 360 devkit, to name a few. i hadn't heard that the assasin's creed was running on a 360 kit. now i gotta go check that reference... Pez D Spencer <colecoadam@gmail.com> spake thusly: > i hadn't heard that the assasin's creed was running on a 360 kit. now > i gotta go check that reference... As I said to Brendan, it was told to me by a very reliable and very well-connected Ubi source at E3, but even so I had trouble believing it. Interestingly, IGN apparently posted a story about Assassins Creed actually running on a 360 devkit also, but then removed it for reasons unknown: http://www.gamersreports.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5972 The pertinent paragraph: "According to sources close to the company, however, there are potential plans for an Xbox 360 version at Assassins: Creed sometime in 2007. Additionally, Microsoft sources who asked not to be mentioned by name, claimed the demo, hidden behind closed doors at E3, was running on an Xbox 360 using a third-party USB PlayStation controller. The game system was hidden in a stand covered by a sheet. Again, Ubisoft officials would not comment." Did IGN take it down because it was utterly bogus (there were no "sheets" covering the demo units in the behind closed door Ubisoft demo), or did they take it down because Sony and Ubi smiled and said, "We would really, really like it if that story was not posted right now. It would really, really make us more willing to share preview code and hardware with you if you were to take that story down." It's been speculated in some mags and sites that Assassins Creed could see simultaneous release on the PS3 and Xbox 360, and Sony is simply paying Ubi for a limited time "announcement exclusive" as it were. Ubi has never come right out and said it's a PS3 exclusive game. -Z- > Pez D Spencer <colecoadam@gmail.com> spake thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Ubi for a limited time "announcement exclusive" as it were. Ubi has never > come right out and said it's a PS3 exclusive game. Was that sheet made out of wool??? ::raises eyebrow:: > Mr. Impressive <10inches@Home.com> spake thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Vegas, the Assassins Creed "PS3" demo that was actually playing on an Xbox > 360 devkit, to name a few. Assassin's Creed on a 360 devkit.... umm... this is the first time i'm hearing that one. Gears of War, while LOOKING AMAZING... i could see the cover-shoot-cover method getting really old really fast. But it would probably be a great game to show off the graphics and physics of the system. (i like the part where he blows the guys arm off, and its just sitting there on the top of the half wall.) > > I think most people weren't > > too impressed with them, other than the fanboys. > > The fanboys and pretty much every major nonpartisan gaming site and > magazine. Do you live in a cave? Wait, don't answer that. Not agreeing with the guy before you, but i didnt think MS really 'stole' E3... it really was all Nintendo this year. I AM talking E3 as a whole, not just press conferences. > > I remember more of that Gears of War sh.t with Cliffy B trying to do > > his best "I'm an attention whore" poses [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > LOL. Yeah, Halo 3's gonna suuuuuuck man. Again, not to agree, but was there any gameplay in that trailer? The only thing i remember from it was Master Chief, and a big explosion. lol. > > But other than that, wtf did they even have? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > See, now we know you're lying. You, have a friend? ROFL. Exactly... Haha! > -Z- Brenden D. Chase <brenden.chase@gmail.com> spake thusly: > Assassin's Creed on a 360 devkit.... umm... this is the first time i'm > hearing that one. OK, I'm totally bear-baiting with that one. I heard it from a *very* reliable Ubi source and have seen it repeated here and there, but even I find it hard to believe. The official line was it was running on a high-end PC. But it's certainly the worst kept secret in the industry that Assassins Creed (and possibly Mercenaries 2) will show up on the Xbox 360, sooner rather than later. And those were two of the PS3's most high-profile first-gen titles. > Gears of War, while LOOKING AMAZING... i could see the > cover-shoot-cover method getting really old really fast. I agree, if that's all there is to it. But I suspect it will be deeper than that. (And predominantly cover-n-shoot gameplay sure didn't hurt GRAW's stellar scores.) People who played the GoW multiplayer demo -- I had to blow it off to see the Mass Effect demo, sadly -- said it was in-frickin-credible. > Not agreeing with the guy before you, but i didnt think MS really > 'stole' E3... it really was all Nintendo this year. I AM talking E3 as > a whole, not just press conferences. I wholeheartedly agree MS didn't "win" E3. But they had a solid showing, and Sony most certainly "lost" overall. So badly that several websites' best of E3 awards gave Sony the "biggest disappointment" award, or something similar. Nintendo was the clear "winner" of the show. > Again, not to agree, but was there any gameplay in that trailer? The > only thing i remember from it was Master Chief, and a big explosion. > lol. LOL, no gameplay unfortunately. It was basically just a trailer saying "Hi! Halo 3 exists. Seeya in 2007!" -Z- > But it's certainly the worst kept secret in the industry that Assassins > Creed (and possibly Mercenaries 2) will show up on the Xbox 360... I believe Mercenaries 2 has been confirmed for the 360. > > But it's certainly the worst kept secret in the industry that Assassins > > Creed (and possibly Mercenaries 2) will show up on the Xbox 360... > > I believe Mercenaries 2 has been confirmed for the 360. It'll be interesting if that's the case. I had assumed that Sony was looking for some exclusives to purchase for the PS3, and Mercenaries 2 might have been one of them. > Brenden D. Chase <brenden.chase@gmail.com> spake thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > LOL, no gameplay unfortunately. It was basically just a trailer saying "Hi! > Halo 3 exists. Seeya in 2007!" Bungie did say that the trailer was using the engine which the game itself would use, and that the entire backdrop was part of the gaming environment and not just a background texture. HidariMak <HidariMak@gmail.com> spake thusly: > Bungie did say that the trailer was using the engine which the game > itself would use, and that the entire backdrop was part of the gaming > environment and not just a background texture. Yeps. They did a behind closed doors demo after the Microsoft E3 press conference, where a couple of Bungie dudes walked the MC through the trailer environment in realtime and zoomed the camera in, out and around the area. I'm less concerned in how the game look than how it will play, what the story will be like, what the multiplayer maps will be like, etc. -Z- > HidariMak <HidariMak@gmail.com> spake thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm less concerned in how the game look than how it will play, what the > story will be like, what the multiplayer maps will be like, etc. And making sure that they finish it this time. I am almost positive that is why they didn't try and rush it out by the end of this year. Not only that but there is already way too many games being released to 360 this year. Gears of War is M$'s "Halo" this year. It will be marketed to death in the next month or so. Besides, it makes more sense to release Halo 3 with the movie release next year. > And making sure that they finish it this time. I am almost positive that is > why they didn't try and rush it out by the end of this year. > Not only that but there is already way too many games being released to > 360 this year. Gears of War is M$'s "Halo" this year. It will be > marketed to death in the next month or so. Besides, it makes more sense > to release Halo 3 with the movie release next year. I thought I read that Gears of War was being delayed again? >> And making sure that they finish it this time. I am almost positive that >> is >> why they didn't try and rush it out by the end of this year. "Delayed again?" I don't think it has ever had an official release date. It was rumored to be in Oct. But now it is rumored that it may come out soon in Sept due to some "major announcement" next week from the developer. Since it was playable at E3, it should be out this year. > I thought I read that Gears of War was being delayed again? > "Delayed again?" I don't think it has ever had an official release > date. It was rumored to be in Oct. But now it is rumored that it may > come out soon in Sept due to some "major announcement" next week from > the developer. Since it was playable at E3, it should be out this year. The major announcement is that it's a PS3 launch title as well. *wink* *wink* > > I thought I read that Gears of War was being delayed again? > Assassin's Creed on a 360 devkit.... umm... this is the first time i'm > hearing that one. I think someone's confused... it was announced for the 360 at X05 in Amsterdam, but not shown. There was an article on IGN that said it was running on a 360 at E3, but that article has since been pulled. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100392 Quoting the now dead article: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/708/708431p1.html E3 2006: Xbox 360 Assassinated Ubisoft Montreal's Prince of Persia influenced action game may come to Xbox 360. by Douglass C. Perry May 12, 2006 - Ubisoft Montreal revealed its next incredible project, Assassins: Creed, exclusively for PlayStation 3 at E3 this year, much to the delight of Sony console fans and to the dismay of Microsoft consoles fans. A third-person action game in the vein of Prince of Persia, Ubisoft Montreal's newest title shows off the next generation with fantastic texture work, early but promising animations, and newly envisioned levels of Prince/Spider-Men climbing/traversing. But the game, officially, is strictly exclusive to PlayStation 3. Ubisoft officially would not comment on a possible Xbox 360 version. According to sources close to the company, however, there are potential plans for an Xbox 360 version at Assassins: Creed sometime in 2007. Additionally, Microsoft sources who asked not to be mentioned by name, claimed the demo, hidden behind closed doors at E3, was running on an Xbox 360 using a third-party USB PlayStation controller. The game system was hidden in a stand covered by a sheet. Again, Ubisoft officials would not comment. We'll have more soon. >> Assassin's Creed on a 360 devkit.... umm... this is the first time i'm >> hearing that one. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > We'll have more soon. Well like Zack was saying... its the worst kept secret that its going to be on 360 as well. However i read a good theory that Sony may in fact be trying to secure exclusivity... whether that be full or just a short time period, we dont know. That is why mum is the word right now about it all. So there's the slight potential that it may not make it to 360. Emphasis on the word 'slight'. Brenden D. Chase <brenden.chaseREMOVE@gmail.com> spake thusly: > Well like Zack was saying... its the worst kept secret that its > going to be on 360 as well. However i read a good theory that Sony > may in fact be trying to secure exclusivity... whether that be full > or just a short time period, we dont know. That is why mum is the > word right now about it all. So there's the slight potential that it > may not make it to 360. Emphasis on the word 'slight'. Knowing Ubi, there will be exclusive content to each version if it does hit both platforms. -Z- > Dub hasath spokeneth theseth wordeths ofeth wisethdometh: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > honesty what the f.ck did MS even have? I think most people weren't too > impressed with them, other than the fanboys. ROFLMAO. Just about every single entity that reported on E3 said MS had the best showing there. Rob Berryhill hasath spokeneth theseth wordeths ofeth wisethdometh: > > Dub hasath spokeneth theseth wordeths ofeth wisethdometh: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ROFLMAO. Just about every single entity that reported on E3 said MS > had the best showing there. Exactly my piont. WHY did they have the best showing? Was it simply because of SOny's price announcement? ROFLMAO!!! Pretty f.cking lame way to WIN at E3. Sony: Our console costs $499 MS: We have this underwhelming looking Halo 2 trailer. -- > Rob Berryhill hasath spokeneth theseth wordeths ofeth wisethdometh: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Sony: Our console costs $499 > MS: We have this underwhelming looking Halo 2 trailer. $499 for the crippled one. Khee Mao "unimpressively" said: > > -- > $499 for the crippled one. It's less crippled that the Xbox360 premium. -- > Khee Mao "unimpressively" said: > > > $499 for the crippled one. > > It's less crippled that the Xbox360 premium. with the 360 core you, at least, have the option of upgrading it to the premium. the ps3 core can't be upgraded with an hdmi socket. who knows if that hdd can be replaced. >> Khee Mao "unimpressively" said: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the ps3 core can't be upgraded with an hdmi socket. who knows if that > hdd can be replaced. hdd can be replaced. Seems you're the only one that doesn't know. : ) As for the HDMI... nope.. cant be done. but that's not a SERIOUS worry until around 2011. > Sony: Our console costs $499 > MS: We have this underwhelming looking Halo 2 trailer. Halo 2 trailer?? terryfied <terryvickers999@hotmail.com> spake thusly: >> MS: We have this underwhelming looking Halo 2 trailer. > > Halo 2 trailer?? Shhh, he lives in his own fantasy world. Just leave him be and he won't disturb anyone. -Z- > We all know Sony didn't look the best at the last E3, but in all > honesty what the f.ck did MS even have? Mostly, the distinction of -not- being the company that came in and took a huge, steaming dump in the middle of the E3 showroom floor. Blig Merk <blig_murk@yahoo.com> spake thusly: > This is really great news. Yes it is, and your buddy Air Raid posted it three hours ago. Try to keep up. The question still remains, can Sony and its partners ramp up production to the level it needs to be at by launch? > It is probably about the motherboards for > the PS3, not the whole console Asustek is assembling whole consoles, as has been reported before and which is clearly spelled out in the article you posted. You're really not very bright, are you? > Tokyo Game Show is > going to totally destroy the xflop 3-shitty Right, just like you said Destination Playstation, GDC, E3, etc. etc. etc. would destroy the 360. ROFL. Those four months between E3 and TGS are going to take the games from just average to fake CGI demo quality, is that it? How many kimonos does Sony own anyway? BTW I see you've given up on posting PS3 news to the PS3 newsgroup and instead have gone back to crossposting to AGVSPS2/AGVX to ensure you never achieve any sort of credibility. Not a big enough audience for your trolls on AGVSPS3, huh? LOL. -Z- Zackman hasath spokeneth theseth wordeths ofeth wisethdometh: > Blig Merk <blig_murk@yahoo.com> spake thusly: > > > This is really great news. > > Yes it is, and your buddy Air Raid posted it three hours ago. Try to > keep up. unlike you, most of us don't sit around waiting on usenet posts all day long. -- Mr. Impressive <10inches@Home.com> spake thusly: > unlike you, most of us don't sit around waiting on usenet posts all > day long. And the fact your posting output matches mine means what exactly then? Potkettleplsthnxk. -Z- ASUSTEK MAKES THE BEST MOTHERBOARDS? Have you even been following the PC industry for the past few years? ASUS hasn't been good since about 1999. Since then, ASUS has been producing sub-par budget motherboards that have components break down easily. Even a few months ago, when I upgraded, the first motherboard I put in was an ASUS. The first one had its network interface die on the first day. The replacement ASUS was simply dead on arrival. You're going to tell me this is quality? Every single computer hardware store I've visited is laughing at ASUS now. You seriously are delusional. Andre > This is really great news. It is probably about the motherboards for > the PS3, not the whole console but Asustek makes the best PC [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > suppliers estimate to ship more than one million sets to the game > console manufacturer, the paper added. > ASUSTEK MAKES THE BEST MOTHERBOARDS? Have you even been following the > PC industry for the past few years? ASUS hasn't been good since about [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Andre hmmm... are ASUS and ASUSTEK the same company??? Someone is wrong here... > hmmm... are ASUS and ASUSTEK the same company??? Someone is wrong > here... Yes, they're the same company, but he's not entirely delusional. The low-end Asus stuff is complete crap, and I doubt is even made by Asus itself. The higher-end stuff is still excellent, though. Rich "unimpressively" said: > The low-end Asus stuff is complete crap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asrock http://www.asrock.com/ They win more awards that just about any other motherboard manufacturer, period. -- > Rich "unimpressively" said: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > They win more awards that just about any other motherboard > manufacturer, period. "Asrock" is an Asus brand, and I have had good luck with those. I'm talking about the $40 Asus-branded motherboards. They're still not horrible (not Abit/PCChips bad, anyway), but still have more defects than you usually see with Asus stuff. Blown caps, bad IDE controllers.. it's strange. Perhaps they just had one or two bad lines. Granted it's not logical since the Asrock stuff is cheap as well, but I call 'em as I see 'em. That said, if I'm buying a motherboard, it will always be an Asus board. I've gotten burned way too many times by every other manufacturer. >> Rich "unimpressively" said: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > you usually see with Asus stuff. Blown caps, bad IDE controllers.. it's > strange. Perhaps they just had one or two bad lines. aka you get what you pay for??? > Granted it's not logical since the Asrock stuff is cheap as well, but I > call 'em as I see 'em. > > That said, if I'm buying a motherboard, it will always be an Asus board. > I've gotten burned way too many times by every other manufacturer. Rich "unimpressively" said: > > Rich "unimpressively" said: > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > horrible (not Abit/PCChips bad, anyway), but still have more defects > than you usually see with Asus stuff. Well, I can't argue with you there. Last Asus board I used couldn't run Opengl. I know that Opengl is more to do with your graphics card, but hey it happened. No matter what chipset drivers I tried Opengl games would not work on that board. Switched to Asrock and never had a problem since. Strange that Asus sells low end stuff of their own when they could just relabel Asrock. -- > This is really great news. It is probably about the motherboards for > the PS3, not the whole console but Asustek makes the best PC [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20060719PB202.html There's a really strange twist to the story, I'm not sure what to make of it... http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3467&Itemid=2 PS3 Manufacturer Warns Media By Staff PlayStation 3 manufacturer Asustek has fired a warning shot over the bows of the media, following yesterday's leaked reports that the company has already begun shipping PS3 units to Sony. Via Taiwan's financial hub, the company yesterday issued a sternly worded warning to the media about the reports, stating that it would sue any outlets that had damaged relationships with its clients. Asustek refused to comment directly on the issue of the manufactured units. The Taiwanese press also reports that Aasustek has toughened up its policy on employee leaks. > There's a really strange twist to the story, I'm not sure what to make > of it... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > units. The Taiwanese press also reports that Aasustek has toughened up > its policy on employee leaks. I can only infer that the initial manufacturing runs are having major problems. If production was ramping up in a normal way, while there might not be public acknowledgement, I hardly think there would be warnings and clampdowns... >> There's a really strange twist to the story, I'm not sure what to make >> of it... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > not be public acknowledgement, I hardly think there would be warnings and > clampdowns... WTF? How does reading THAT 'infer' anything other than there was a leak from an employee... and Asustek is just covering its a.s, because if Sony gets pissed that they leaked the fact that the consoles are being made, it could ruin the corporate relationship and Sony could look elsewhere to manufacture. Plain and simple. I can only infer from your post that you just don't like the idea of Sony being on schedule. > How does reading THAT 'infer' anything other than there was a leak from an > employee... and Asustek is just covering its a.s, because if Sony gets > pissed that they leaked the fact that the consoles are being made, it could > ruin the corporate relationship and Sony could look elsewhere to > manufacture. Plain and simple. What doesn't make any sense to me is that you'd think Sony would have been the first to bring the news... "WE ARE MAKING PS3's! WE HAVE 200,000 OF THEM ALREADY!" instead it comes from a leak from a company which has now been sealed. I just don't get it... - Jordan >> How does reading THAT 'infer' anything other than there was a leak from >> an [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I just don't get it... I agree with you, I just don't get Sony's PR/marketing strategy this time around. Apart from the idiotic comments from Crazy Ken (who's next job if PS3 bombs will be selling used cars in Tokyo so he's got the perfect nickname) and the actual announcement at E3, we've heard precious little from Sony about PS3. Hell, we don't even know the official price point of games yet, which has led to theories they may be higher than $59.99. I've had that one debunked by employees at a local game store who say they have games in their corporate computer database right now for $59.99 but until an official announcement is made, anything is possible. I also personally find it funny that the company is threatening a lawsuit of the media outlet that reports these things because it's such an empty threat unless Japan is the opposite of the US in terms of journalism law. An American court would laugh that lawsuit out of court in about 2 minutes. It's true they've got a lawsuit ready made against the employee guilty of the leak, if they can find him, but, at least if the suit was filed in the US, they wouldn't be able to successfully sue a media outlet for reporting an accurate story. Sony's strategy this time around is making Microsoft look like they're media friendly by comparison. > I also personally find it funny that the company is threatening a > lawsuit of the media outlet that reports these things because it's such an > empty threat unless Japan is the opposite of the US in terms of journalism > law. An American court would laugh that lawsuit out of court in about 2 > minutes. I wouldn't be so sure about that... http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57701119 Apple Targets Harvard Student For Product 'Leaks' Think Secret, a Web site popular with Apple enthusiasts, so successfully predicted the company's recent product introductions that it has filed a law suit against the 19-year-old Harvard student operating the site. TechWeb Jan 13, 2005 12:00 PM In the wake of Apple Computer's product announcement flurry this week, a Web site popular with Apple enthusiasts has evaluated its earlier predictions of the products and found it got much right--so much right that Apple has filed a law suit against the 19-year-old Harvard student who operates the Think Secret site. Undergraduate Nicholas M. Ciarelli had disclosed some details about Apple's "headless iMac," the firm's under-$500 computer unveiled at Macworld this week. For that, and for other leaks on planned Apple product announcements, Ciarelli has incurred the wrath of Apple, which has filed the complaint in Superior Court of California, County of Santa Clara. Ciarelli, who has been running the Think Secret site since he was 13, is an editor at Harvard's student newspaper, The Crimson. "I employ the same legal newsgathering practices used by any other journalist," he told the Crimson. "I talk to sources of information, investigate tips, follow up on leads, and corroborate details. I believe these practices are reflected in Think Secret's track record." Near the top of the Web site's home page, a note states: "Do you have insider news to share? Contact us." Apple, or other, insiders might have contacted Think Secret, because the site has run many accurate predictions about Apple products over the years. Sometimes, though, the site misses, and, when it does, it admits its failings. In its story, the Crimson said that Ciarelli and his company--called the dePlume Organization--were charged with soliciting insider material on future Apple products from anonymous sources, thus "inducing" Apple insiders to break their non-disclosure pacts with the company. A meeting on the case has been scheduled to take place on May 3, according to court filings. >> I also personally find it funny that the company is threatening a >> lawsuit of the media outlet that reports these things because it's such [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that Apple has filed a law suit against the 19-year-old Harvard student > who operates the Think Secret site. I didn't say they wouldn't file it, I said they just probably wouldn't get anywhere with it. ;) It depends on which media "outlet" they decide to sue, if they decide to sue. The protections of the First Amendment haven't yet, as far as I know, been extended to blog sites, and really, that's what this kid's site is, not an actual news site run by a news organization. Gamespot and 1UP.com, for example, would undoubtedly argue they're legitimate news sites and therefore fall under the First Amendment. The 'net has become a vast gray area in terms of journalism law and the First Amendment, but it seems IMO nearly impossible (full disclosure...I used to be a journalist) that a large site with a major web presence and actual paid reporters like 1UP or Gamespot, would not be judged a news site and therefore fall under the protections of the First Amendment, particularly when 1UP could argue they have offline publications that undoubtedly fall under the protections of the First Amendment and applicable case law. Now, if a site did what this kid is accused of doing, IMO all bets are off because this kid allegedly offered an "inducement" and "solicited" insider info to get Apple employees to break their confidentiality agreements. IMO it depends on what this "solicitation" involved. If it involved a simple cajole or promise to keep the employee's name out of it and identity a secret, every reporter worth $1 of their paycheck has done that and, in the US, it's legal. Bob Woodward of the Washington Post wouldn't have a career without cajoling, and sometimes I've been told, outright bullying, insiders in various presidential administrations into giving him information. I think where the kid may get into trouble is if he actually offered a bribe for insider information that violated a confidentiality agreement, I don't believe that one's legal. I also suspect that Apple's on a bit of a fishing expedition here. They want the site closed, but IMO they very likely don't want to go to court. As it stated in the article, they were to meet with this kid in May about his site. IMO they'll probably end up giving him a few dollars to go away and the case will very likely never see a decision. The law is so gray when it comes to the 'net that Apple's chances are no better than 50/50 IMO and they can't like those odds, it's easier and probably cheaper just to pay the kid to go away. >> How does reading THAT 'infer' anything other than there was a leak from >> an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Jordan Who here GETS a leak?? It wasn't meant on purpose. I would almost think that Sony was waiting for TGS to announce that there are now 2 million PS3 ready for shipment.????? That would be my guess... but alas.. a leak. I'm sure it wasn't planned that way. Besides... 200,000 isn't impressive. If they came back next month and said 1 million, or 2 million... THAT would be impressive. >>> How does reading THAT 'infer' anything other than there was a leak from >>> an [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > they came back next month and said 1 million, or 2 million... THAT would > be impressive. You're right, the 200,000 isn't impressive, especially because 200,000 a month between now and November (if they don't improve on that number, which they more than likely will) means at best they get at best 800,000 out at launch. That would be a disaster probably even bigger than the 360 launch. What I would have done in Crazy Ken's shoes is not announce an actual number but announce that the PS3 has gone into production. That helps Sony in that it all but kills any of the persistent rumors that the PS3 will be pushed back into 2007. It also helps kill rumors that they're still having major problems with the cell. Lastly, it would have ramped up interest in TGS because, at least theoretically, PS3s in production means there would be actual working, displayed PS3s at TGS with playable games. This would be a major advancement from the "behind the curtain" stuff at E3. There was a way to spin this so would be a positive for them, but Sony's marketing and PR arm hasn't displayed too much intelligence lately. They ought to know that there's almost always a way to spin a story so a negative can be made into relative positive. Betcha the thing when shipped has a bigger power brick than the 360. > Betcha the thing when shipped has a bigger power brick than the 360. yeah, because its got UBERbetterGRAPHICS!! It OWNS XFLOPPERS 3SHIFTY>>>!!!!!! ::::::/end fanboyism/:::::::: wow, get a life people! Making fun of game consoles will not make you feel better about yourself. THAT only works with humans! > Betcha the thing when shipped has a bigger power brick than the 360. BM said it wouldn't, so I'd say your speculation is probably correct. > >>> How does reading THAT 'infer' anything other than there was a leak from > >>> an [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > they more than likely will) means at best they get at best 800,000 out at > launch. That would be a disaster probably even bigger than the 360 launch. Its already been stated that 200,000 was the initial shipment... and that they were aiming for 2,000,000 by October. So they do plan on improving. > What I would have done in Crazy Ken's shoes is not announce an actual > number but announce that the PS3 has gone into production. That helps Sony [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there's almost always a way to spin a story so a negative can be made into > relative positive. The 'leak' wasnt a plan by Sony. This was an actual leak. Identified by Asustek's statements that if any news outlet damages the relationship between them and sony, there would be a lawsuit. This 'announcement' in your eyes, wasnt even that. it was a pure leak. Because as you've agreed, 200,000 just isnt impressive 4 months out. I'd expect Sony to announce something at TGS about the production schedule, and how its progressing. Which, without the leak would have been spectacular, but now is just confirmation 4 months later. However, the thought that they are in production stops all the negativity about 'another' delay. |
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