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bunboy - 24 Jul 2006 17:15 GMT
I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
several groups but I have never understood the whole crossposting thing
anyway.   I kinda admire Brad Worrel,  Knight 37, Walter Mitty and a few
others I am sure I will ember if people contribute to this thread.  I really
probably am more influenced  by game buying decisions from Usenet than any
other source.  Usually it's not anyone post but if I see long timers who I
have learned over the years have similar tastes it greatly influences me.
Even though it pisses some of I also don't mind the occasional OP poster
when interesting things are going on in the world.   I still look at Usenet
as like a local tavern where all sorts of opinions float through.  Some just
drunken conversation and some quite stimulating.  Unfortunately I am a shut
in so as stupid as it is  and sounds certain people on Usenet really
influence me because I can never go out and meet new people.  Thanks to the
good folks!

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Shawk - 24 Jul 2006 17:40 GMT
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> influence me because I can never go out and meet new people.  Thanks to the
> good folks!

Trick is to ask questions.  Why does someone believe a certain thing?

I ask often and if someone has good, valid reasons for their views then
they'll sometimes influence me.  I have even changed my opinion on a
couple of things.

Always listen to those saying things you might not immediately agree
with too (even if they're arguing with the folk you normally believe),
it's always good to get a balanced view.  Often no-one is 100% right and
it's normally a mix.

Remember that even if you are vehemently opposed to someone's opinion on
something, their opinion is still valid (unless it's pcgames obviously).

Remember that the World is not US-centric - no matter how they draw
their maps :)  There are regulars in csipga for example from the US,
Canada, Australia, UK, Germany, Portugal and many more.  If someone
complains about the blood being green in their game but you know it's
red in yours don't bother arguing - it probably 'is' green in their Country

Finally, never be afraid to state your own opinion.  I liked your local
tavern idea.
Walter Mitty - 24 Jul 2006 19:34 GMT
>> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you
>> enjoy respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Trick is to ask questions.  Why does someone believe a certain thing?

And the key to then listening to them any further is to infer from their
answer whether their stance is a direct result of reality or merely just
a rant on their part. It is funny how many people rush to damn a product
with no dirst hand experience. Its definitely a usenet thing.One of my
favorites was a certain poster declaring that the screenies for Q4
looked "sh.t". When questioned, he just said that they "were" sh.t and
then opined that the engine could clearly not do open areas. Anyone who
has played Q4 knows can respond to this. And how he opined this from 4
static screenies at low resolution is anyones guess : one can safely
assume a hidden agenda of either (a) larging it up or (b) trying to get
someone product to fail for some godknows what reason in order to
further their own purposes (ofte just to appear knowledgable).

> I ask often and if someone has good, valid reasons for their views
> then they'll sometimes influence me.  I have even changed my opinion
> on a couple of things.

Believe it or not, so have I. Rarely. It is also not wrong to have
strong opinions based on your own experiences and not to find anything
particularly stirring enough to shift your from that viewpoint.

> Always listen to those saying things you might not immediately agree
> with too (even if they're arguing with the folk you normally believe),
> it's always good to get a balanced view.  Often no-one is 100% right
> and it's normally a mix.

Actually I find thats not really true : often people are 100% right. And
100% wrong. Not always, of course. But often enough to mean its not a rarity.

> Remember that even if you are vehemently opposed to someone's opinion
> on something, their opinion is still valid (unless it's pcgames
> obviously).

I agree, mostly. Someone who says "Steam does not allow you to run games
offline" is wrong. Simply.

> Remember that the World is not US-centric - no matter how they draw
> their maps :)  There are regulars in csipga for example from the US,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Finally, never be afraid to state your own opinion.  I liked your
> local tavern idea.

Again agreed. If its crap you'll hear soon enough :-;

FWIW and hopefully not appearing to aim for a "love in" so frequently
started by my old "mate Nostromo", I like your style of constantly
getting back to the point when other posters get rude or try to move the
goalposts when you try to elicit a relevant response from them. Keep up
the good work Rumpole!

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Benjamin Gawert - 24 Jul 2006 20:55 GMT
* Walter Mitty:

>> Trick is to ask questions.  Why does someone believe a certain
>> thing?
>
> And the key to then listening to them any further is to infer from
> their answer whether their stance is a direct result of reality or
> merely just a rant on their part.

Or if it's just a repetition of "knowledge" (aka hearsay) from others
that don't have any clue by themselves.

> It is funny how many people rush to damn a product with no dirst hand
> experience. Its definitely a usenet thing.One of my favorites was a
> certain poster declaring that the screenies for Q4 looked "sh.t".
> When questioned, he just said that they "were" sh.t and then opined
> that the engine could clearly not do open areas. Anyone who has
> played Q4 knows can respond to this.

That's one example, but sadly not the only one. What often feds me up is
the technical BS that is posted sometimes and (which is even worse)
where the poster really believes in this sh.t. For example like someone
claiming (not in this group, though) that you always have to install all
DirectX versions up to the latest to have it working correctly, and the
same with gfx card drivers. Or someone stating that a modern AGP card in
an old mainboard can kill the mobo and the card (which is nonsense). And
much other crap...

Benjamin
JAB - 25 Jul 2006 09:26 GMT
>> Remember that even if you are vehemently opposed to someone's opinion
>> on something, their opinion is still valid (unless it's pcgames
>> obviously).
>
> I agree, mostly. Someone who says "Steam does not allow you to run games
> offline" is wrong. Simply.

Just remember that everybody is entitled to an opinion but that doesn't
mean that every opinion is of equal value and NGs make that loud and clear.
Shawk - 25 Jul 2006 09:55 GMT
>>> Remember that even if you are vehemently opposed to someone's opinion
>>> on something, their opinion is still valid (unless it's pcgames
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Just remember that everybody is entitled to an opinion but that doesn't
> mean that every opinion is of equal value and NGs make that loud and clear.

Only comment I'd make is that opinions 'are' normally valid (they may be
misguided but they are valid to the proponent).  While I might not agree
and might try to debate and change someone's opinion I wouldn't dismiss
it.

IMHO Walters example on the Steam comment above is a statement of fact
and not an opinion.  Facts are either right or wrong (a concept whose
truth can be proven).  In those cases I'd want to see some back up or I
would just dismiss it.
Werner Spahl - 25 Jul 2006 12:32 GMT
> IMHO Walters example on the Steam comment above is a statement of fact
> and not an opinion.  Facts are either right or wrong

But even facts can have vital details missing like with Walters example:
"Steam allows offline play but only after one time ONLINE validation".

P.S.: It's great how Walter and others always happen to end up with
statements promoting Steam. Do you get 1$ for each mentioning ;)?

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Walter Mitty - 25 Jul 2006 16:48 GMT
>> IMHO Walters example on the Steam comment above is a statement of fact
>> and not an opinion.  Facts are either right or wrong
>
> But even facts can have vital details missing like with Walters example:
> "Steam allows offline play but only after one time ONLINE validation".

That wasnt part of the question. Can you play HL2 offline? Answer :
yes. With the obvious and well publicised caveat that it needs to be
validated first like any game. There are many games you cant play
without a valid cd key - onine or offline - at installation.

> P.S.: It's great how Walter and others always happen to end up with
> statements promoting Steam. Do you get 1$ for each mentioning ;)?

But not as much as you do for harping on about the same negative things
about HL2 all the time despite the fact we already know its a story
driven sequel with linear, corridoors and scripting.

I dont "promote" Steam. I support it. Dont like it? Dont use it, but
stop telling blatant untruths. I dont like RPGs particularly but I dont
keep slamming you for bothering to fix that bug fest Vampires.

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riku - 25 Jul 2006 20:31 GMT
>>> IMHO Walters example on the Steam comment above is a statement of fact
>>> and not an opinion.  Facts are either right or wrong
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>That wasnt part of the question. Can you play HL2 offline? Answer :
>yes.

Tell that to me and Schrodinger when we actually needed the offline
mode and did everything by the book, yet the offline mode failed.
Happened to me twice, even though Steam itself claimed the game (HL2)
is "ready for offline playing". It just would not work.

So the answer to the questoin "Can you play HL2 offline?" is not
"Yes", but more like "Depends" or "Maybe".

See, some of us are actually talking from experience, not from our
a.ses like you are, mitty. Some of us have actually needed the offline
mode from time to time.

>I dont "promote" Steam. I support it. Dont like it? Dont use it, but
>stop telling blatant untruths.

The claim "You can't play Steam offline" was fabricated by you, no one
else. Don't use it as an example, stupid.
Werner Spahl - 26 Jul 2006 11:33 GMT
> That wasnt part of the question. Can you play HL2 offline? Answer :
> yes. With the obvious and well publicised caveat that it needs to be

I thought this question originated in John Lewis asking for the online
authentication of Prey and you know quite well how he meant _that_!

> > P.S.: It's great how Walter and others always happen to end up with
> > statements promoting Steam. Do you get 1$ for each mentioning ;)?
>
> But not as much as you do for harping on about the same negative things
> about HL2 all the time despite the fact we already know its a story

I guess you mistake me for Riku or someone else ;). For me HL2 is one of
the best shooters ever. I only think it could have been even better...

> I dont "promote" Steam. I support it. Dont like it? Dont use it, but

Still it is strange that you always choose Steam as an example even when
nobody was asking about it. It must be very prominent on your mind ;).

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Shawk - 25 Jul 2006 17:05 GMT
>> IMHO Walters example on the Steam comment above is a statement of fact
>> and not an opinion.  Facts are either right or wrong
>
> But even facts can have vital details missing like with Walters example:
> "Steam allows offline play but only after one time ONLINE validation".

That wasn't my point though Werner... and I'm not being drawn into
another Steam argument and derailing a decent thread.
JAB - 25 Jul 2006 16:48 GMT
>>>> Remember that even if you are vehemently opposed to someone's opinion
>>>> on something, their opinion is still valid (unless it's pcgames
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> misguided but they are valid to the proponent).  While I might not agree
> and might try to debate and change someone's opinion I wouldn't dismiss it.

My post was more to point out the posters here who present opinion as
fact with very little evidence to back it up except their own localised
knowledge. A case in point is the Steam and piracy thread. Two posters
based their opinion on what they knew yet one presented his POV as a
fact and dismissed any evidence that didn't support his opinion. I
always find this sort of person very amusing as you always know that
what ever evidence you present to them they will just change their
stance so that their opinion is still 'fact'. If you really want to see
it in action you just have to see the Intelligent Design vs. Evolution
argument?
riku - 25 Jul 2006 20:25 GMT
>IMHO Walters example on the Steam comment above is a statement of fact
>and not an opinion.

Just remember: a completely fabricated "example", by mitty himself.
riku - 25 Jul 2006 20:25 GMT
>>> Remember that even if you are vehemently opposed to someone's opinion
>>> on something, their opinion is still valid (unless it's pcgames
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Just remember that everybody is entitled to an opinion but that doesn't
>mean that every opinion is of equal value and NGs make that loud and clear.

Of course, knowing Mitty, you must understand that he is a master of
twisting words and even pure lying. For instance, the sentence above
he "quoted" is most probably simply fabricated by himself. No one has
actually written that (other than mitty himself, of course).

To clarify further: for example me and Schrodinger have reported Steam
offline mode not working on several occasions, right when you actually
need the it (not when you are merely testing it briefly whether it
works or not). But as always, mitty is playing dumb again and putting
words to others' mouths.
Knight37 - 26 Jul 2006 02:45 GMT
Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> once tried to test me with:

> I agree, mostly. Someone who says "Steam does not allow you to run games
> offline" is wrong. Simply.

God damn it, why the f.ck did you have to even mention Steam in this thead?

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Werner Spahl - 26 Jul 2006 11:47 GMT
> Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> once tried to test me with:
>
> > I agree, mostly. Someone who says "Steam does not allow you to run games
> > offline" is wrong. Simply.
>
> God damn it, why the f.ck did you have to even mention Steam in this thead?

Exactly my point! Why does he have to "support" Steam at every occasion
only to force "Anti-Steamers" like myself or Riku to reply? To get back
on topic, besides this obsession ;), I do value Walters opinion here...

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Walter Mitty - 26 Jul 2006 13:42 GMT
>> Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> once tried to test me with:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> only to force "Anti-Steamers" like myself or Riku to reply? To get back
> on topic, besides this obsession ;), I do value Walters opinion here...

Why? Thats obvious enough : because certain retards *keep* telling lies
about it. lets stay real here.
Knight37 - 26 Jul 2006 15:12 GMT
> >> Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> once tried to test me with:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Why? Thats obvious enough : because certain retards *keep* telling lies
> about it. lets stay real here.

No, YOU were the first one to bring Steam into this particular thread.

I think from now on if anyone mentions Steam in any non-Steam related
thread, I'm just going to killfile them for 30 days. I'm sick to death
of this sh.t, there has been nothing new discussed about it in over a
year and we're STILL f.cking arguing about it.

Knight37
Walter Mitty - 26 Jul 2006 15:38 GMT
>> >> Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> once tried to test me with:
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> No, YOU were the first one to bring Steam into this particular thread.

Yes : but as an example of what keeps cropping up in terms of
misinformation. That was my point. See quote above. It was an example. A
relevant one. But I agree with you : that subject has been done to
death, but its so hard not to reply to total misinformation
sometimes. I'll try ... honest.
Zaghadka - 28 Jul 2006 07:04 GMT
>> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
>> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>Finally, never be afraid to state your own opinion.  I liked your local
>tavern idea.

Ya think he wants butter on his bun? LOL.

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Knight37 - 24 Jul 2006 20:53 GMT
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
> several groups but I have never understood the whole crossposting thing
> anyway.   I kinda admire Brad Worrel,  Knight 37, Walter Mitty and a few

O RLY?!

Wow I didn't know anyone actually read my posts, much less valued them.
:)

I value everyone's opinion who actually takes the time to critically
analyse whatever it is their writing about and actually describe it
rather than just posting "it sux" or "it rox" all the time. Everyone
makes those kinds of posts occasionally too, which is fine, but if
that's all you ever write, it's not much use to anyone reading.

> others I am sure I will ember if people contribute to this thread.  I really
> probably am more influenced  by game buying decisions from Usenet than any
> other source.  Usually it's not anyone post but if I see long timers who I
> have learned over the years have similar tastes it greatly influences me.

Yes, that's the key, being able to recognize patterns among the
regulars and learning their tastes, then you can know if you're going
to like something or not better.

> Even though it pisses some of I also don't mind the occasional OP poster
> when interesting things are going on in the world.   I still look at Usenet
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> influence me because I can never go out and meet new people.  Thanks to the
> good folks!

That's the only reason I still come here. :D

Even the people I often disagree with are usually entertaining and
sometimes make good points so it's all good in the end.

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Henri H. Arsenault - 24 Jul 2006 21:30 GMT
I agree that Usenet postings sometimes influence my buying decisions.

With respect to strong opinions, there is an interesting article in
the July issue of Scientific American that describes research on how
the brains of people with strong opinions reacts to new information -
the study shows that the part of the brain that processes logic is
TOTALLY turned off when new information is processed, and only the
part that processes emotions is active,. The result is that all
information that contradicts the pre-determined opinion is filtered
out and that only the information that reinforces the preset opinions
is entered. The subjects studied were people who identified themselves
as Democrats and Republican party supporters.

Check out the postings of individuals on these forums whose opinions
never change to determine which posters have their brains turned
off... (names withheld to protect the guilty...).

Henri
Knight37 - 24 Jul 2006 21:41 GMT
> I agree that Usenet postings sometimes influence my buying decisions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> is entered. The subjects studied were people who identified themselves
> as Democrats and Republican party supporters.

BLAH BLAH BLAH... all I heard of that was REPUBLICAN.

Screw the Republicans.

> Check out the postings of individuals on these forums whose opinions
> never change to determine which posters have their brains turned
> off... (names withheld to protect the guilty...).

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!

Knight37
Sheldon England - 26 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT
> > I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> > respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Wow I didn't know anyone actually read my posts, much less valued them.
> :)

Definitely valued.

There are so many but if I had to I would list: Knight 37, Highlandish,
Nostromo, Walter Mitty, Xocyll, Shawk, and PC Gamer (Ha ha, that's a
joke, son), Gandalf Parker, Ceowulf, Zaghadka, littlemute, Justisaur,
Giftzwerg  ... dang, that's a long list.

I don't 100% agree with any of you but I greatly value your opinions and
comments.

FWIW.

 - Sheldon
Hank the Rapper - 24 Jul 2006 23:08 GMT
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.

I don't respect them, but I always taking into consideration what PC Gamer,
Riku, and John Lewis has to say because the opposite is usually true. :)
Andrew - 25 Jul 2006 00:08 GMT
>I really
>probably am more influenced  by game buying decisions from Usenet than any
>other source.

There aren't enough people contributing to these groups to give them a
broad enough range of opinions (it probably doesn't help I have about
half of the contributors to .action in my KF!). Most people are often
polarised on their tastes in games, and games are so subjective that
even a save game system can make or break a game for some people
(myself included).

Demos make for my main buying decision, then reading lots of reviews,
then reading Usenet to find out the game isn't a bug fest (like
Boiling Point).
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Highlandish - 25 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT
Quoth The Raven; bunboy <bunboy@cox.net> in
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>I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> certain people on Usenet really influence me because I can never go
> out and meet new people.  Thanks to the good folks!

peoples merits are based on what they write at the time. some are overall
consistantly good like Pluvious and Wherner. i patrotically side with all
the aussies in here, and anyone who develops games or mods are ok with me.

there are others, but they might get a big head if i mention their names.

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Eye Candy - 25 Jul 2006 02:11 GMT
pc games, sayno2steam, pc gamer, etc.
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Bunboy....The people who can smile when things go wrong have found someone
> else to blame
paranormalized - 25 Jul 2006 07:43 GMT
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.
*SNIP SNIP*

I respect the minimum/recommended requirements on the Box more than most
of these posters, at least in *deciding* to buy games.  Sorry guys. :(

Reason?  My computer's getting into Ancient Decrepitude (6-7 yrs old),
and not much coming out will run well, even if I dearly dearly want to
purchase it... :(

But yeah, Brad Wardell is a bit of a personal Authority to me on csipgs,
and in the rec.arts.anime.misc group, I always keep an eye on Anthony
"Dave" Baranyi for what's being televised in Japan.  But that isn't
comp.*.games.* , so I'll be quiet now.

Jonathan Fisher
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gray.wizard@moria.mines - 25 Jul 2006 17:06 GMT
>I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
>respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to

There are a couple kooks who post in here that everyone knows not to
take seriously as they are only here to start trouble. Usually they
start a thread & you never seem them reply to the hornet's nest they
have stirred up. When a discussion ends I leave any disagreements I
have had with anyone in that discussion behind.

Just because Person X and Person Y disagree doesn't make either of
their opinions less valid. Each has reasons for why they believe what
they do. Persons X & Y most likely get along great that issue aside.

Everyone else's messages I value. Even if I don't agree at all with
what they are saying. If they are taking the time to think out a reply
to something I or anybody wrote the least I can do is read it. I often
learn something new.

Some people in here even get on rants & there are even pearls of
knowledge in the wildest rants (Steam killing conspiracy theorists not
withstanding).

The posts you really have to watch for, IMHO, are the ones from people
who don't post a lot. They may post once every 6 months, but when they
do their words are often profound and true.

Most of us are in here, me included, to BS about games & that's fine.
Lots of great conversations have come of that, but the ones who only
post when they have something truly important to say & those are the
ones whose words you should heed the most.

Remember, bunboy, anybody can have a bad day when you see a "bad" post
in here. And unfortunately, anybody can have a bunch of bad days
strung together as well.
chainbreaker - 25 Jul 2006 17:47 GMT
> The posts you really have to watch for, IMHO, are the ones from people
> who don't post a lot. They may post once every 6 months, but when they
> do their words are often profound and true.

You speak of Thrasher, I presume?

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Knight37 - 26 Jul 2006 03:34 GMT
"chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> once tried to test me with:

> You speak of Thrasher, I presume?

ROFL, we think a lot alike.

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chainbreaker - 26 Jul 2006 12:23 GMT
> "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> once tried to test me with:
>
>> You speak of Thrasher, I presume?
>
> ROFL, we think a lot alike.

Well, Thrash *did* put us in the same sentence together once.  :-)

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Knight37 - 26 Jul 2006 03:33 GMT
gray.wizard@moria.mines once tried to test me with:

> There are a couple kooks who post in here that everyone knows not to
> take seriously as they are only here to start trouble.

Like Thrasher?

I actually like reading his posts because he will sometimes go into detail
just WHY the game sucks a.s (it always sucks) and I can learn something
about the game from that.

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Xocyll - 26 Jul 2006 12:08 GMT
Knight37 <knight37m@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>gray.wizard@moria.mines once tried to test me with:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>just WHY the game sucks a.s (it always sucks) and I can learn something
>about the game from that.

And there you have why I don't killfile the regular flamewar/steam/etc
types.
As their flaming goes back and forth they spit up examples to support
their positions, and eventually you get a pretty good idea of what the
game is like.   Ok you have to put up with a few rounds of "it sucks"
"it rules" before the details start shaking loose.

The exception of course is steamkiller/pcgamer/whatever he calls himself
this hour and his nebulous dreams of game nirvana where all developers
are treated like gods and everyone buys at full retail price.
Occasionally he may spit forth a grain of truth, but it's like a kernel
of corn in a ton of elephant sh.t - not worth the effort to find.

Thrasher manages to have a flamewar all by himself - getting pissed off
at a game, then dwelling on it's every negative aspect until he's built
up into an almost incoherent rage before venting to a newsgroup.
I don't agree with a lot of his venting, but he does go into extensive
detail about what he thinks is wrong.

Xocyll
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a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

chainbreaker - 26 Jul 2006 13:00 GMT
> The exception of course is steamkiller/pcgamer/whatever he calls
> himself this hour and his nebulous dreams of game nirvana where all
> developers are treated like gods and everyone buys at full retail
> price.

Aha!  So *that's* where he's coming from.  I've never paid attention enough
to anything much he's posted enough to find out.  No, I don't have him KF'd,
just skim right on by.

> Thrasher manages to have a flamewar all by himself - getting pissed
> off at a game, then dwelling on it's every negative aspect until he's
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>
> Xocyll

Thrasher's actually probably been right more often than not.  His biggest
problem is that he almost always ends up completely discrediting himself
with some absolutely ridiculous postulation.  However, whenever he shows, I
do read everything he posts--it's sort of like autohypnosis or somesuch to
me.

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Xocyll - 27 Jul 2006 11:36 GMT
"chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> looked up from reading the entrails
of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>> The exception of course is steamkiller/pcgamer/whatever he calls
>> himself this hour and his nebulous dreams of game nirvana where all
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>to anything much he's posted enough to find out.  No, I don't have him KF'd,
>just skim right on by.

Well from what I read before I killfiled him, and what I see
occasionally when someone quotes him in a reply - that seems to be it.

>> Thrasher manages to have a flamewar all by himself - getting pissed
>> off at a game, then dwelling on it's every negative aspect until he's
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>do read everything he posts--it's sort of like autohypnosis or somesuch to
>me.

While I don't agree with a lot of his points on certain games - and more
importantly his expectations of some games - he is usually pretty
accurate - and well, different strokes and all that.

When he rants that game X doesn't do Y but was never meant to do Y, I
have to disagree, even if I think Y would have been a good addition.
Not fair to downscore a game for not doing something they never claimed
or even planned to do.

He is otherwise eerily on target most of the time.

Thrasher, the game review geyser.

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a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

Shawk - 26 Jul 2006 23:13 GMT
> Knight37 <knight37m@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
> the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> game is like.   Ok you have to put up with a few rounds of "it sucks"
> "it rules" before the details start shaking loose.

Yup.  Totally agree with this.  Course sometimes it is a little like
pulling teeth do find out why someone believes what they do but it's
'usually' worth it.
Xocyll - 29 Jul 2006 14:12 GMT
Shawk <shawk@clara.net.3guesses> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>> Knight37 <knight37m@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
>> the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>pulling teeth do find out why someone believes what they do but it's
>'usually' worth it.

That's the "good" thing about the flamewars - they dig up those examples
without effort on your part.
Of course wading through the deluge of posts and sifting the examples
from the flames is a bit like having a root canal done without
sufficient novocaine.

Xocyll
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I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

Dr. Dickie - 25 Jul 2006 17:10 GMT
and remove mob rule from the United States in my lifetime!
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
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> influence me because I can never go out and meet new people.  Thanks to the
> good folks!

That's easy. The only opinion that matters to me at all is MINE!!

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Poking kooks with a pointy stick.
Repeal the 17th amendment; let's restore intended checks and balances

mace - 25 Jul 2006 22:32 GMT
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> influence me because I can never go out and meet new people.  Thanks to the
> good folks!

The opinion of a few people who still love Looking Glass with passion,
even if they would normally think that fanboyism is just a mental
disorder.
Walter Mitty - 26 Jul 2006 07:08 GMT
>> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
>> respect the most.  Yes I have cross posted because the question relates to
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> even if they would normally think that fanboyism is just a mental
> disorder.

The beauty of this reply needs no fanfare.
Jamie_Manic - 30 Jul 2006 23:19 GMT
> I am curious on the main Usenet PC groups whose opinions do you enjoy
> respect the most.

I think the only person I consider sane here is One Punch Mickey.
 
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