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Wishing for a good Western-themed free-form game

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Tranquility Base - 29 Apr 2004 02:16 GMT
Why is this genre so ignored by game developers? "Outlaws" was
fantastic. "Desperados" was very good. Other than that, what has there
been? You'd think with all the violence and lawlessness associated
with westerns, however over-embellished by Hollywood & the Italians
they may be, it would be a no-brainer.

Anyway, as the subject line states, I'd love to see someone whip up a
free-form Western game - something like Mafia, Vice City, X2, etc.,
where you could cut away from the main storyline and take on side jobs
as a ranchhand, bounty hunter, trapper, or rob stages and banks,
become a train baron and so on.

It's just something I thought I'd throw out for any game developers
out there who might be listening in, hoping for a little inspiration
before caving in and making another WW2-themed game or Doom/Half-Life
clone.
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Alai - 29 Apr 2004 03:02 GMT
I agree.  I'd love to see LucasArts doing Outlaws 2.  With the same awesome
music.
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John Lewis - 29 Apr 2004 05:16 GMT
>I agree.  I'd love to see LucasArts doing Outlaws 2.  With the same awesome
>music.

Unfortunately, LucasArts seems to have retreated into just flogging
the Star Wars franchise to death. They cancelled Full Throttle 2 a
couple of weeks ago. So I doubt that Outlaws 2 has any chance of
making an appearance.

John Lewis
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Zackman - 29 Apr 2004 05:05 GMT
> They cancelled Full Throttle 2 a
> couple of weeks ago.

It was the Sam and Max game they just canned I think. Full Throttle 2 bit it
a few months ago.

> So I doubt that Outlaws 2 has any chance of
> making an appearance.

Sad but true.

-Z-
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Andy - 30 Apr 2004 02:07 GMT
>Unfortunately, LucasArts seems to have retreated into just flogging
>the Star Wars franchise to death.

Man isn't that the truth.  :-(  I've had enough of Star Wars to last a
life time.
Andy
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TNO - 29 Apr 2004 04:15 GMT
Dead Mans Hands looks like an OK Western shooter.
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Bateau - 29 Apr 2004 09:17 GMT
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>Why is this genre so ignored by game developers? "Outlaws" was
>fantastic. "Desperados" was very good. Other than that, what has there
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>before caving in and making another WW2-themed game or Doom/Half-Life
>clone.

In other words "I WANNA BE A COWBOY" ???????????
You can't convert escapist daydreaming into a good game.
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Cheddar - 29 Apr 2004 10:22 GMT
> In other words "I WANNA BE A COWBOY" ???????????
> You can't convert escapist daydreaming into a good game.

Are u f.cking kidding me with that sig? Have some
consideration m8.
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John Lewis - 01 May 2004 06:01 GMT
>> In other words "I WANNA BE A COWBOY" ???????????
>> You can't convert escapist daydreaming into a good game.
>
>Are u f.cking kidding me with that sig? Have some
>consideration m8.

Don't worry. Just get used to it, or killfile him.
Bateau seems to be as thick as the wood his boat is made of.
He has been asked many many times. I now don't bother even
reading his postings, since their intellectual contribution
to the discussion is near-zero anyway.

John Lewis
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Holden - 03 May 2004 21:53 GMT
>>> In other words "I WANNA BE A COWBOY" ???????????
>>> You can't convert escapist daydreaming into a good game.
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> reading his postings, since their intellectual contribution
> to the discussion is near-zero anyway.

near-zero? He's improving then? I kill-filed him long ago, and now the only
time I ever hear mention of him it's someone telling him to lose the
retarded sig.
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Jonathan - 29 Apr 2004 17:21 GMT
<snip>

> In other words "I WANNA BE A COWBOY" ???????????
> You can't convert escapist daydreaming into a good game.
<snip>

I want to play Soldier:  CoD, MoH, Vietcong,
I want to be a Jedi:  Star Wars Jedi OutCast
I want to be a spy:  No One Lives Forever
I wanna be a Cowboy:  Outlaws

I wanna be a Cowboy again:  Outlaws 2

regards
Jonathan

<no sig>
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Bateau - 30 Apr 2004 18:05 GMT
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>
>I wanna be a Cowboy again:  Outlaws 2

None of those games are freeform.
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Tranquility Base - 30 Apr 2004 19:04 GMT
>None of those games are freeform.

So then, what is it about a western freeform game that you feel
wouldn't work? Do you also feel that the other three titles I
mentioned fall short in their freeform play? Or is there something
particular to the western setting that fails to compare to them?
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Bateau - 01 May 2004 05:57 GMT
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>>None of those games are freeform.
>
>So then, what is it about a western freeform game that you feel
>wouldn't work? Do you also feel that the other three titles I
>mentioned fall short in their freeform play? Or is there something
>particular to the western setting that fails to compare to them?

None of those games have the depth to allow you to do the equivalent of
the western things you mentioned. Every week some dumb noob comes in
saying "WOULDNT IT BE GREAT IF THERE WAS A GAME WHERE YOU COULD DO
ANYTHING YOU WANT!" and everyone laughs at them.
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Jonathan - 01 May 2004 23:54 GMT
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> None of those games are freeform.
my mistake, i failed to notice his posting with "free-form" in it.  i'm
afraid that sometimes i do a little speed reading while on the internet.

regards
Jonathan
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Highlandish - 29 Apr 2004 14:25 GMT
> Why is this genre so ignored by game developers? "Outlaws" was
> fantastic. "Desperados" was very good. Other than that, what has there
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> before caving in and making another WW2-themed game or Doom/Half-Life
> clone.

I never got it, but there was a commercial mod for half life 1 that was
westernised.

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Highlandish - 29 Apr 2004 14:26 GMT
> Why is this genre so ignored by game developers? "Outlaws" was
> fantastic. "Desperados" was very good. Other than that, what has there
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> before caving in and making another WW2-themed game or Doom/Half-Life
> clone.

LOL, does redneck rampage come close?

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faster_framerates - 29 Apr 2004 15:15 GMT
"Red Dead Revolver" is also coming out soon from Rock Star. It will be a
console game initially, but they may port it.

- f_f

> Why is this genre so ignored by game developers? "Outlaws" was
> fantastic. "Desperados" was very good. Other than that, what has there
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> before caving in and making another WW2-themed game or Doom/Half-Life
> clone.
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Tranquility Base - 30 Apr 2004 19:09 GMT
>"Red Dead Revolver" is also coming out soon from Rock Star. It will be a
>console game initially, but they may port it.

Haven't heard of this one, but I just checked it out at
www.gametrailers.com, and it looks pretty good, though it isn't
freeform (or at least it doesn't appear that way). Still, it looks
like it might fill the void for a western shooter nicely if it does
indeed get ported. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Andy - 30 Apr 2004 02:04 GMT
>Why is this genre so ignored by game developers? "Outlaws" was
>fantastic. "Desperados" was very good. Other than that, what has there

Loved Outlaws.  I even really liked Multiplayer which I never seem to
get into on most games.    
Andy
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Alai - 30 Apr 2004 04:15 GMT
> Loved Outlaws.  I even really liked Multiplayer which I never seem to
> get into on most games.
> Andy

Me too.  It was one of the first FPS released at the time where we could die
after being hit by bullet only a few times(this was before rainbow six
days).

It made me getting much more cautious while playing, and just made the
experience so much more more realistic to me.

I also enjoyed a few Multiplayer sessions I've played, prolly because of the
same reason.
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