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Ville-Matti Kiili - 23 Jul 2006 18:06 GMT
After nearly half a year of playing (18 days of active playtime),
two days ago my troll hunter finally reached level 60. It surely
felt good. :) This is my first character, although I have several alts too
(lvl 32 night-elf rogue being the highest).

It has been very fun, although on lvl 53 I got tired of this character
and threw it aside for nearly two months. It was a good idea, because
I learned very much about the game while playing my alts. For example
I never did instances with my hunter, but when I played my alts,
I visited Deadmines and Stockades. Now I've finally seen Maraudon and
Sunken Temple with my hunter.

What now? People say that the endgame is very different than leveling.
I haven't noticed much difference yet. I like questing more now,
because it is nice to get some gold as quest reward. :) Reputation
grinding feels a bit boring (I'm already friendly with timbermaw),
so I don't yet know if I want to do that much. I'll probably
concentrate on improving my equipment with instance runs. I'm also
going to grind for Amulet of Darkmoon. I already have lots of rugged
armor kits and scorpid blood in the bank waiting for the next Darkmoon
Faire. :)

PVP... I currently have _four_ honorable kills total. Never seen
the battlegrounds. Haven't killed anyone for 20 levels or so. :-)
However, I've seen that there are some very interesting PVP rewards,
such as ice threaded arrows, ice barbed spear etc. Does anyone else have
experience about training for PVP at level 60? I know I would
probably be slaughtered by people in full epics over and over again,
but maybe it would be worth it. Is it a hard job to get honored status
with Alterac Valley?

Right now I don't want to play my alts at all. There is so much left
to explore in Azeroth.
Taipan - 23 Jul 2006 20:37 GMT
> After nearly half a year of playing (18 days of active playtime),
> two days ago my troll hunter finally reached level 60. It surely
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> What now?
>snip<

Unfortunately life at 60 is all about repetition.  Your choices are rep
grinding with Cenarion/AD/Timbermaw/TB etc, endgame PVE raiding which is all
about routing and running the same raid instances in the same way several
times a week (trust me when each one is on farm status, you'll wonder if
anyone could be more dull) or PVP.. and if you have any aspirations of a
high rank in PVP, prepare to devote most of every day to it.

After 18 months, 5x level 60s (and one more about to hit it), endless
MC/Onyxia and someBWL runs, I have reached the end of my patience for PVE
endgame and I doubt PVP will keep me entertained for much longer.
Personally, I('m just pissing about until something new arrives.

Now enough from me and perhaps someone who still enjoys endgame will come
along and give you an entirely different viewpoint :)

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Urbin - 23 Jul 2006 21:30 GMT
>  After nearly half a year of playing (18 days of active playtime),
>  two days ago my troll hunter finally reached level 60.

Congratulations.

I dinged 60 with my dwarven hunter some time last october. I finished some
of the easier quests and then parked him while I started a priest and - a
little later - a druid alt.

I took out my hunter some time in march again, and when p1.10 introduced the
gold for quests I put some emphasis on finishing the quests in my log.
having joined a more mature guild also helped me getting into various of the
55+ - 60 instances (BRS, Strat, Scholo) to get some more gear and I have had
a quick glance at Zul (downed 3 bosses on a only visit) and Ony+MC (downed
Ony and Luci, then had to leave for RL). I have grinded for the Darkmoon
necklace just a few weeks ago (for the July faire visit) and have now once
more come to the point where the following things remain to be done with my
hunter:
- finish the LBRS quests (including UBRS key) as nobody - not even in my
 guild - seems to be eager to do LBRS in 5man runs
- get some missing t0 pieces (head, shoulders, chest, feet), then it might
 be worth attempting the 45min baron run
- get another bone slicing hatchet from scholo (i have one, want two, each
 with +15 agi)
- finishe a couple more elite quests (broken amulett & Rakelith)
- do some AD rep grinding and token farming for the 18 slot bag

The big raid instances are not an option due to my time budget.

>   This is my first character, although I have several alts too
>  (lvl 32 night-elf rogue being the highest).

Good. When life at 60 starts being tedious, take another break with your
alts. That did wonders for me!

>  What now? People say that the endgame is very different than leveling.
>  I haven't noticed much difference yet.

It takes a while. When it does, spend some time with your alts. Then come
back!

>  I like questing more now, because it is nice to get some gold as quest
>  reward. :)

Definitely, I didn't have that at the start.

>  Reputation grinding feels a bit boring (I'm already friendly
>  with timbermaw), so I don't yet know if I want to do that much.

Never saw much reason for it, though I am casually working on AD rep,
not with a specific goal, though. Grats on the Timbermaw rep, though.

>  I'll probably concentrate on improving my equipment with instance runs.

Do that. It's fun, especially, if you are in a good guild, that supports you
with it.

>  I'm also going to grind for Amulet of Darkmoon. I already have lots of
>  rugged armor kits and scorpid blood in the bank waiting for the next
>  Darkmoon Faire. :)

Another good move. If your rep is not above 2500 into friendly yet, try
getting some virbant plumes from the harpies in 1000 needles and hand those
in first. and while armour kits are a good way to get tickets, i found out
that getting thorium widgets (buying the ingredients from the AH, having a
friend make them if you can't) is faster, provided you can spare the cash.

>  PVP... I currently have _four_ honorable kills total. Never seen
>  the battlegrounds. Haven't killed anyone for 20 levels or so. :-)

I was in WSG once when I was 35ish, lost the match but got private from it.
never been in a BG or a PvP fight since.

>  Is it a hard job to get honored status with Alterac Valley?

Can't really tell, others will be able to fill you in.

>  Right now I don't want to play my alts at all. There is so much left
>  to explore in Azeroth.

No need to, until you tire of life at 60. When I revived my hunter in March,
I first alternated between him and my two alts but for the last 2 months or
so I felt no inclination to play my alts at all. But now, I am again at a
point where my 60 gets a break, I just spent the weekend on my priest alt
and loved it again.

It's up to you. Do what you like and what you find fun. Do not let others
dictate your game. If you have the time and feel like the raid instances, go
for it. If you try BGs and like, go for it. If neither appeals to you, let
it be. If gear gives you satisfaction, work for it. If it doesn't, let it
rest. There are so many ways to have fun in Azeroth, and from your post I
have the impression that you are pretty good at knowing what you like doing.

Cheers
Urbin
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Simon Nejmann - 23 Jul 2006 22:00 GMT
>After nearly half a year of playing (18 days of active playtime),
>two days ago my troll hunter finally reached level 60. It surely
>felt good. :) This is my first character, although I have several alts too
>(lvl 32 night-elf rogue being the highest).

Grats. :)

>What now?

Well, for one I would suggest trying a few more instances - BRD,
Lower/Upper-BRS, Strat, Scholo. Or any of the lower level ones you
skipped on your way up. :)

>People say that the endgame is very different than leveling.
>I haven't noticed much difference yet.

Well, it takes a bit to sink in. But now that you are 60 you can't
look forward to the next level anymore - as you leveled items were
nice but not more, they got replaced every few levels or so, so they
were somehow lost in the big picture. Now however new, better items
are the only advancement you can look forward to.

That pretty much sums up the pre-60/post-60 difference as I see it.

How hard you feel it depends very much on what your focus is - eg. if
all you want is to explore, talk with your friends, and go quest then
it likely won't affect you much. But if you are going for advancement
and making your character stronger, then it will hit you hard.

It is, ofc, also very individual if you like the post-60 shift or not.

>Never seen
>the battlegrounds. Haven't killed anyone for 20 levels or so. :-)

What? Stop that at once, get out there and start killing! :p

Or more seriously; try it, see what you think - you might like it, you
might not. Go find out...
In any case, if at all you can then go with a group of friends and/or
guildies.

>Is it a hard job to get honored status
>with Alterac Valley?

Well, it is the easiest BG to get rep in if you can tolerate it...

As a hunter you have the advantage of being able of sitting in the
middle of your sides raid and plinking away at the enemy - +1 rep per
person you helped kill, plus some extra every time your side completes
a task.

>Right now I don't want to play my alts at all. There is so much left
>to explore in Azeroth.

Sounds good, have fun. :)

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Ville-Matti Kiili - 25 Jul 2006 20:56 GMT
> >Never seen
> >the battlegrounds. Haven't killed anyone for 20 levels or so. :-)
> What? Stop that at once, get out there and start killing! :p

I did! :) Tried it two days ago and even more today.

> Or more seriously; try it, see what you think - you might like it, you
> might not. Go find out...
> In any case, if at all you can then go with a group of friends and/or
> guildies.

It was actually very fun. :) I don't like PVP outside BG, but in Alterac
Valley it was fun. Three days ago I had 4 HKs, after Sunday I had 11 HKs
and now I have 136 HKs total. :) It will be interesting to see if I
have a new rank tomorrow.

> >Is it a hard job to get honored status
> >with Alterac Valley?
> Well, it is the easiest BG to get rep in if you can tolerate it...

Doesn't seem to be too hard. I'm already halfway through neutral
although my side hasn't won yet.

> As a hunter you have the advantage of being able of sitting in the
> middle of your sides raid and plinking away at the enemy - +1 rep per
> person you helped kill, plus some extra every time your side completes
> a task.

Yeah, it seemed to be ridiculously easy. Spamming multishot seemed to
be a good way to tag lots of enemies. Does it matter who causes the
most damage and who makes the killing blow, or is the honor (and rep)
divided equally?
Simon Nejmann - 26 Jul 2006 08:26 GMT
>> As a hunter you have the advantage of being able of sitting in the
>> middle of your sides raid and plinking away at the enemy - +1 rep per
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>most damage and who makes the killing blow, or is the honor (and rep)
>divided equally?

If you are on the enemies hate list then you get 1 rep as he dies - to
get on the hate list you just do something that would get you on a
mobs hate list (do damage, debuff him, or heal somebody already on the
list).

On the other hand honor from the kills are divided by who does the
most damage though. BUT the "who" isn't individual persons - if you
are in a raid, then the raid counts as one entity.

Eg. A is alone, B is a 12 person raid.
A does 500 damage to an opponent, three different people from B does
500 damage each too, and the opponent dies.
Now honor is divided: 1/4 of the honor from the kill goes to A, and
3/4 of the honor being divided evenly to the people in B - in the end
each person from B gets 3/4*1/12 = 1/16 of the honor from the kill.

This goes for PvP everywhere btw - honor gets divided like this all
the time. While the rep per kill is specific to AV.

On the other hand, you really shouldn't be overly concerned about
kills in AV if you want honor - first time you kill somebody you get
full honor, second time you get 75%, then 50%, 25%, and finally 0%.
With how long AV you usually wind up killing the same people over and
over again, and within long you completely stop getting honor from the
kills.

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Doc - 24 Jul 2006 03:11 GMT
Snippety doo-dah

> PVP... I currently have _four_ honorable kills total. Never seen
> the battlegrounds. Haven't killed anyone for 20 levels or so. :-)
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> but maybe it would be worth it. Is it a hard job to get honored status
> with Alterac Valley?

Depends on how much you play it. I've been Av'ing for a while with my rogue,
but since I injured my foot at work and have had to spend (so far) 3 weeks
at home, I decided to do BG's with my Hunter. I earned 20k honor the first
week, 115k the second, 105k the third and I'm at 100k so far this week. I'm
currently a Sergeant Major and my standing was 96 last week. I am currently
revered, 3/4 of the way (16k/21k) to exalted with the Stormpike Guard
(Alterac Valley), though I am only *just* friendly with Silverwing Sentinals
and League of Arathor. Interesting since I haven't been concentrating on AV,
and taking whatever BG pops first.

The Ice barbed spear is a quest reward for one of the easiest quests in AV,
go to the harpy cave and retrieve the banner. The harpy cave is set out
almost exactly like the yeti cave in Winterspring. You get the quest from an
NPC inside the Dun Baldar keep.

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kyle - 24 Jul 2006 07:20 GMT
> The Ice barbed spear is a quest reward for one of the easiest quests in AV,
> go to the harpy cave and retrieve the banner. The harpy cave is set out
> almost exactly like the yeti cave in Winterspring. You get the quest from an
> NPC inside the Dun Baldar keep.

Actually, that is the reward from actually winning AV, which may or may
not be difficult based on your server balance and who wants to grind rep
there more...

kyle
daman - 24 Jul 2006 18:55 GMT
> > The Ice barbed spear is a quest reward for one of the easiest quests in AV,
> > go to the harpy cave and retrieve the banner. The harpy cave is set out
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> kyle

Yeah, that probably changed from when he got it.  I just got the Ice
barbed spear ( http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40261 ), and it was really
easy (assuming your side can win AV).  You go to main AV enterance
north of Southshore.  Get AV quests from Lt. <Someone> there.  Then
quest will light up over female dwarf with yellow glowing sword.  Go
into AV.  WIN.  return to female dwarf.  Turn in quest.  The talk to
her again, you can get IBS or some other items.  It will not show up as
a quest reward ahead of time.  Don't worry.  ON my server, alliance is
owning AV, so I queued up, waited an hour and a half, went in, we won
in 15 minutes, and I was skilling polearms with it that fast.

For hunter, two Bone slicing hatchets with +15 agi are probably
slightly better than IBS + 25, but considering how easy this is to get
(and free), I was happy with it.  Got it a lvl 51.
Doc - 25 Jul 2006 04:51 GMT
>> The Ice barbed spear is a quest reward for one of the easiest quests in
>> AV, go to the harpy cave and retrieve the banner. The harpy cave is set
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> not be difficult based on your server balance and who wants to grind rep
> there more...

Hmm, it's been a while since I did it... guess I must have gotten it mixed
up with something else.

Sorry for giving bad info.

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drocket - 25 Jul 2006 22:07 GMT
>The Ice barbed spear is a quest reward for one of the easiest quests in AV,
>go to the harpy cave and retrieve the banner. The harpy cave is set out
>almost exactly like the yeti cave in Winterspring. You get the quest from an
>NPC inside the Dun Baldar keep.

As was already said, the spear is the reward from a different AV
quest.  The quest you mentioned is for a different reward - a very
nice trinket that gets upgraded with each level of reputation you gain
with AV.  At Honored (pretty easy to get, since AV rep goes up fast),
its a rather useful 1% dodge, 2HP/5 sec, +5 frost resist trinket that
can teleport you back to base in AV (useful for turning in upgrade
materials.)  At exaulted, its 2% dodge, 8HP/5 sec and +10 frost
resist.
Doc - 26 Jul 2006 09:24 GMT
>>The Ice barbed spear is a quest reward for one of the easiest quests in
>>AV,
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> materials.)  At exaulted, its 2% dodge, 8HP/5 sec and +10 frost
> resist.

Yeeeeeaaaahh... and I replied to that post apologizing for giving the wrong
info... I think the info has gotten through by now.

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drocket - 26 Jul 2006 23:22 GMT
>Yeeeeeaaaahh... and I replied to that post apologizing for giving the wrong
>info... I think the info has gotten through by now.

I was just trying to fill in people about the reward for the quest
that you did mention.  Its a pretty good trinket and people may not
know about it.
Yeechang Lee - 24 Jul 2006 05:30 GMT
> However, I've seen that there are some very interesting PVP rewards,
> such as ice threaded arrows, ice barbed spear etc.

As I describe in
<URL:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.warcraft/msg/9fc4e199913c535f>,
I made one half-hour visit to Alterac Valley out of curiosity's sake
very soon after it opened up in June 2005. Within a half hour I
received the Ice Barbed Spear as a quest reward. I haven't been inside
another battleground since!  (Patch 1.8 made receiving such rewards
much more difficult, anyway.)

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Vere - 24 Jul 2006 13:50 GMT
snip:
> I'm also
> going to grind for Amulet of Darkmoon.

Find T. Fordring along the river that divides EPL and WPL.  Do the
three killtasks he assigns you (BEFORE EPL becomes open pvp).  There is
a wonderful questline that involves a live strat run.  The rewards are
worthwhile and the quest is even better.  Thotbott Fordring, you'll
find it.
Mike Gaskins - 24 Jul 2006 18:31 GMT
Congrats on making 60.   I got my first char to 60 about 3 months ago,
and I'm still having fun with the end-game content.  Ironically my
first (and as of yet only) 60 was originally an alt.  I started out
with a hunter that I leveled to 34 before I got absolutely bored of
him.  After that I started a mage which I leveled to 60.  I've gotten
my druid alt to 27 and my warlock alt to 14 but still haven't touched
the hunter again :).

Personally, I'm really enjoying the raids in particular.  Our guild is
still growing so we haven't done any 40 mans yet (we are teaming with
another smaller guild this weekend for our first stab at Molten Core),
but I'm really liking Zul Gurub and AQ20.  The ammount of teamwork and
coordination required to down the big bosses in these instances is
amazing, and it presents a very real challenge.  My own personal
crusade (being a DPS character :)) is to do my best to stay up there on
the DamageMeter, which means I'm always on the hunt for better and
better +dmg gear for my char.  I've completed all of my Tier 0 set
except for my pants, and have converted the first 3 parts of the set to
Tier 0.5, though I only actually have the gloves and belt equipped.
The rest is random UBRS, ZG, AQ20, & high-end crafted stuff.

If that doesn't suit your fancy, there is always rep farming which can
be a good way  to get difficult trade-skill patterns which can net you
some extra income.  One neat factor about this is that often you can
combine instance runs with rep farming and kill two birds with one
stone.

There's also PVP content.  I'm personally just not very into PVP so I
can't give much advice there, but a lot of people do seem to enjoy it.

And finally, there's alt leveling.  Not only fun as the play style will
be different, but also useful, as we've all had situations where a
group needs a player of a certain class to fill a group, and nobody can
seem to find one.  It's nice to have a fully leveled alt that you can
hop on in order to fill a gap in the raid group.

Mike Gaskins

> After nearly half a year of playing (18 days of active playtime),
> two days ago my troll hunter finally reached level 60. It surely
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> Right now I don't want to play my alts at all. There is so much left
> to explore in Azeroth.
Firian - 26 Jul 2006 17:22 GMT
> PVP... I currently have _four_ honorable kills total. Never seen
> the battlegrounds. Haven't killed anyone for 20 levels or so. :-)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> but maybe it would be worth it. Is it a hard job to get honored status
> with Alterac Valley?

I've done Alterac Valley a total of 5 times, and am about 100 reputation
short of honored with them. Unfortunately, the last time I did it, there
were only about 8 Horde and 9 Alliance, so the battleground ended. I'm
hoping the cross-server BG's will help keep the AV's alive longer. On the
other hand, of those 5, 4 ended with Horde winning (in 3 of the cases with
no trouble, 1 of the 4 took a great deal more effort, which was a lot of
fun). I've also yet to do any of the AV quests (other than the initial quest
of turning in the honor marks), so no, it's not difficult at all to get to
honored. However, expect an AV to last no shorter than 45 minutes and could
last as long as 3 hours (the short and long in my limited experience). But,
expect to have lots of fun! And don't kill the wolves! Just the rams! (I
know, you're probably alliance based on the rest of your post, so switch
that advice around...was just trying to give my side a bit of an advantage!)

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Ville-Matti Kiili - 27 Jul 2006 08:10 GMT
> I've done Alterac Valley a total of 5 times, and am about 100 reputation
> short of honored with them. Unfortunately, the last time I did it, there
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> of turning in the honor marks), so no, it's not difficult at all to get to
> honored.

It seems to take some grinding... On my server the battles seem to be quite
chaotic and the battles get stuck in the middle of the field. People kill
each other over and over again and not much progress is being made.

After three days of occasional AV sessions my PVP rank is now Grunt.
Never been this high before. :) I'll probably be a Sergeant next week. Sergeant
will probably be the highest rank I care about, because then I get 10%
discounts on everything.

I have to say that if the battles are always like that, I don't enjoy it
much. I'll grind enough for honored reputation, but that's it. Hopefully
I'll also see the victory of the horde one day. :) Then I can finally get
the ice barbed spear for me. Got the mats for the +25 AGI enchant already...
My guildmates told me that the horde often wins even quickly. I guess I've
just been a bit unlucky.

> However, expect an AV to last no shorter than 45 minutes and could
> last as long as 3 hours (the short and long in my limited experience). But,
> expect to have lots of fun! And don't kill the wolves! Just the rams! (I
> know, you're probably alliance based on the rest of your post, so switch
> that advice around...was just trying to give my side a bit of an advantage!)

Seems to be even worse on my server. I've attended 3 AV battles so far,
and the longest one took four and half hours! I logged out in the middle of
it, and when I came back two hours later, the same battle was still going on! In
fact I have yet to experience an AV battle from the beginning to the end.

I do play horde, so you guessed wrong. :) I have some alts on the alliance
side, though.
Firian - 27 Jul 2006 15:36 GMT
> It seems to take some grinding... On my server the battles seem to be
> quite
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> will probably be the highest rank I care about, because then I get 10%
> discounts on everything.

Come to Emerald Dream...if you're not on a PvE server, you could even
transfer your 60. :) Horde usually wins the BGs I've been in on my server
(except for those times when we're outnumbered by a large margin or the
times when, in lower-level BGs, you have nothing but "9's" on the other
side). Bovinis is Senior Sergeant, which seems to be the highest rank I can
attain at my current play level; I'm hoping to get higher to be able to
purchase some of the PvP armor, but haven't actually tried extremely hard as
yet.

> I have to say that if the battles are always like that, I don't enjoy it
> much. I'll grind enough for honored reputation, but that's it. Hopefully
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> My guildmates told me that the horde often wins even quickly. I guess I've
> just been a bit unlucky.

Could be; there have been days in lower level BGs when every battle I'd
enter, the alliance would win; then that "slump" would die off and we'd come
back to wallop them big time.

>> However, expect an AV to last no shorter than 45 minutes and could
>> last as long as 3 hours (the short and long in my limited experience).
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> on! In
> fact I have yet to experience an AV battle from the beginning to the end.

Hopefully that will get better for you. I love doing AV, so much more than I
enjoyed Warsong or AB.

> I do play horde, so you guessed wrong. :) I have some alts on the alliance
> side, though.

Excellent! So glad I was wrong hehe. I do play alliance as well, but my
heart is definitely with the horde. :)

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Ville-Matti Kiili - 31 Jul 2006 13:44 GMT
> > Seems to be even worse on my server. I've attended 3 AV battles so far,
> > and the longest one took four and half hours! I logged out in the middle
> > of
> > it, and when I came back two hours later, the same battle was still going
> > on! In
> > fact I have yet to experience an AV battle from the beginning to the end.

> Hopefully that will get better for you. I love doing AV, so much more than I
> enjoyed Warsong or AB.

Yeah, it did. :) Now I've seen two victories and I'm honored with frostwolf.
It seems that weekends are best for AV on my server, because then there will
be enough horde players for AV. It feels a lot more fun now. I think I'll
grind for frostwolf reputation, because an epic frostwolf mount is quite cheap
and it doesn't seem to be too hard to achieve. An epic frostwolf insignia
wouldn't be too bad either, and it is free. :)
 
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