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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Warcraft / May 2008GLIDER
anyone els get banned? > anyone els get banned? No, we can spell which saved us.  SignatureIf you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. >anyone els get banned? No. In here we aren't incompetent, inept cretins. From your pitiful excuse of a sentence, I assume you got banned? Excellent - I hope you lost shitloads of characters, gold and gear. Good job Blizzard! Palindrome >anyone els get banned? That reminds me... I must pop into the Glider forums to take the piss and enjoy all the weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's usually hilarious :D Palindrome >>anyone els get banned? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Palindrome Lol, i did, its hilarious. Lots of them gonne quit wow forever, others are trying to sell there gliderkeys;-))) Mwuhahaha, go Blizz grts Ed Ed wtote: >Lol, i did, its hilarious. Lots of them gonne >quit wow forever, others are >trying to sell there gliderkeys;-))) >Mwuhahaha, go Blizz Sorry to hear that. I myself tend to play as simply as possible. My only addon is the one which shows coordinates... -Lzy (L70 Hunter) > Ed wtote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sorry to hear that. I myself tend to play as > simply as possible. My only addon is the one which shows coordinates... You are sorry to hear cheaters have been kicked out? On May 22, 7:02 am, l...@gmail.com wrote: > Ed wtote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sorry to hear that. I myself tend to play as > simply as possible. My only addon is the one which shows coordinates... That's not really relevant though. Blizzard doesn't care how elaborate your addons get so long as they work within their provided LUA framework (which virtually everything people reference as an addon). If an addon comes around that they thing does a little too much (the original Decursive for example), they'll change the LUA language to make that addon not work. You won't get banned for it. When they ban things like this, they are banning people using external EXECUTABLE programs to modify the game works (usually to automate play). So, you're safe, but so is the next guy running 250 regular addons. Heck I run between 100 and 150 of them myself and I escaped teh ban hammer, because they were all legit addons. Mike >So, you're safe, but so is the next guy running 250 regular addons. >Heck I run between 100 and 150 of them myself and I escaped teh ban >hammer, because they were all legit addons. You didn't escape the banhammer - it doesn't apply to you because you did nothing wrong. Addons are part of the game. * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. >Lol, i did, its hilarious. Lots of them gonne quit wow forever, others are >trying to sell there gliderkeys;-))) The funniest thing are all the ones who say they're going to Age of Conan. One might almost suspect that this is what blizzard wanted to happen - fire all your a.shole customers and have them wreck the new game. Someone has already asked when glider will work on AoC. Gods, you can't play the game like it's supposed to be even ONCE? * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. >>Lol, i did, its hilarious. Lots of them gonne quit wow forever, others are >>trying to sell there gliderkeys;-))) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Someone has already asked when glider will work on AoC. Gods, you can't > play the game like it's supposed to be even ONCE? * But-but-but---you mean when a game says "x hours of gameplay" you're *not* supposed to try to beat it in a fraction of the time and brag to all your friends? Who knew??? Xymmie > >>Lol, i did, its hilarious. Lots of them gonne quit wow forever, others are > >>trying to sell there gliderkeys;-))) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Xymmie I can just see some of these guys waiting for an AoC glider to be released before they ever buy AoC. Then on day 1, install the game, create a character, fire up glider, and walk away. I really don't understand the point of paying for 2 services in relation to 1 game that you are not playing. > The funniest thing are all the ones who say they're going to Age of Conan. > One might almost suspect that this is what blizzard wanted to happen - fire > all your a.shole customers and have them wreck the new game. > > Someone has already asked when glider will work on AoC. Gods, you can't > play the game like it's supposed to be even ONCE? * Furthering the funny-ness is that AoC is already booting cheaters too. They don't want them any more than Blizzard does. Speaking of "that other game" - I was mighty tempted to try it out yesterday. I had it in my hands but talked myself out of it. Going to do my best not to pick it up, but I guess it'll depend on how things look a few months in (going to see whether or not people are still playing it or if it makes a splash and then dies out). Mike On May 22, 2:55 pm, "mbga...@gmail.com" <mbga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The funniest thing are all the ones who say they're going to Age of Conan. > > One might almost suspect that this is what blizzard wanted to happen - fire [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > months in (going to see whether or not people are still playing it or > if it makes a splash and then dies out). I had a look at the website yesterday and must admit the screenshots didn't appeal to me. Still, depending on the cost of the game and if the first month is free, I may give it a try. Would be nice to be in an MMO again where you don't have to spend a few months playing single player mode every time you try a new class. In article <11a18311-a178-46d6-a40c- 58cd9e90ed9d@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, marknewsgroups@yahoo.com says... > Still, depending on the cost of the game and if the first month is > free, I may give it a try. Would be nice to be in an MMO again where > you don't have to spend a few months playing single player mode every > time you try a new class. £25.99 in the uk with first month free, honestly I'm not expecting to subscribe beyond the first free month, but we shall see... T. On 22 May, 15:20, "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 22, 2:55 pm, "mbga...@gmail.com" <mbga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Furthering the funny-ness is that AoC is already booting cheaters > > too. They don't want them any more than Blizzard does. Speaking of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I had a look at the website yesterday and must admit the screenshots > didn't appeal to me. The characters look a bit too gritty for my taste but I really like the look of the scenery. steve.kaye >>Lol, i did, its hilarious. Lots of them gonne quit wow forever, others are >>trying to sell there gliderkeys;-))) > >The funniest thing are all the ones who say they're going to Age of Conan. >One might almost suspect that this is what blizzard wanted to happen - fire >all your a.shole customers and have them wreck the new game. That seems to be the current theory from what some people are saying on the O-Boards. A cunning wheeze, if true :) >Someone has already asked when glider will work on AoC. Gods, you can't >play the game like it's supposed to be even ONCE? * I know. They haven't even played it, yet they want to start botting and farming. Useless tossers. Palindrome > >>Lol, i did, its hilarious. Lots of them gonne quit wow forever, others are > >>trying to sell there gliderkeys;-))) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Palindrome Not to sound like a dick, but I'm am glad they are being agressive to people using bots. Conversely, it would be nice to see people using the G14 keyboards be given a fair shake and investigated properly; that being said, if they ARE using the G-whatever keyboard to "bot" certain tasks, then they should have known better... > That reminds me... I must pop into the Glider forums to take the piss > and enjoy all the weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's usually > hilarious :D LOL! Thanks for the tip, great read I particularly enjoyed the one where they were banned half-way through a Shattered Halls run! And the muppet who announced that he was boycotting Blizzard. Erm, I think it was Blizz doing the boycotting there! What strikes me is the victim mentality and attitude that Blizz is being unfair and picking on them, in much the same way as you'll never find a guilty man in prison. Every one seems to be desperately trying to justify or legitimise their activities and as usual, everybody but themselves is to blame ;) Anyway, good riddance to 'em. Cheers >"Villy Vonka" <news@villyvonka.co.uk> wrote in message >news:27524378-914f-4ad8-a03a- >LOL! Thanks for the tip, great read I particularly enjoyed the one >where they were banned half-way through a Shattered Halls run! >And the muppet who announced that he was boycotting Blizzard. Erm, I >think it was Blizz doing the boycotting there! >What strikes me is the victim mentality and attitude that Blizz is >being unfair and picking on them, in much the same way as you'll never >find a guilty man in prison. Every one seems to be desperately trying >to justify or legitimise their activities and as usual, everybody but >themselves is to blame ;) >Anyway, good riddance to 'em. >Cheers I did like the post "well it's blizzard's own fault, how can anyone ever get an epic mount at 5000g". Easy, by not having the IQ of a fish. >I did like the post "well it's blizzard's own fault, how can anyone ever get >an epic mount at 5000g". > >Easy, by not having the IQ of a fish. Well said. The dailies provide substantial amounts of gold, and one of my sons can make a couple of thousand gold a week, with no trouble at all. That's including the fact that my kids' WoW games are set to shut off at a reasonable time at night. He goes to college during the day, has a gaming curfew at night, yet he can make THAT much in the limited time he gets without having to resort to botting. Glider users are lazy, inept cheaters who fantasize that they "have a life", and, sad little twats that they are, they BELIEVE it :D Palindrome >>I did like the post "well it's blizzard's own fault, how can anyone ever >>get [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Glider users are lazy, inept cheaters who fantasize that they "have a > life", and, sad little twats that they are, they BELIEVE it :D I gave up doing dailies and farming ages ago, when I realised I could make all my money off AH. All of those individual marks of sargeras for under 1g each stack em up to 250 and sell them all for 325g bad-a-bing profit, motes, signets, buying rares and adding 5g to them, linen cloth, ores. Buying metals and stuffing them in the bank when someone has a brain wave to offload 50 stacks into AH and everyone tries to crash the market on him, buy them up put them in the bank and wait for the rainy day to appear. Money is easy to make and playing AH looking for the bargain (not including using bottom scanner if you want to be lazy, but legal) is alot of fun, and to me more fun than grinding. I've yet to see any of these free gold guides or lazy bastards who bot, make anywhere near the money I can on AH, christ even doing dailies which takes no time at all brings in loads of gold and a few of them have BoJ chance as well, not gonna get any epics easier than that, and glider won't do it for them. > >>I did like the post "well it's blizzard's own fault, how can anyone ever > >>get [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > well, not gonna get any epics easier than that, and glider won't do it for > them. The only thing glider is really good for, as far as gold generation, is setting it in a place to farm specific items. Such as the marks of sargeras you mentioned. Set a glider controlled character in a place in Outland with demons and let the bot do its work. Hours later they come back with a ton of marks to sell. Same thing can be done with other stuff like primals, signets, ethereum prison keys. Then there are other stuff like grinding certain beast mobs for meat, which can be cooked and sold. I don't know if glider has it, but wow mimic advertised a fishing bot, allowing someone to park a character in a spot to fish for hours. Fishing can bring in tons of gold and having a bot taking the monotony out of it makes it all the more easier. Mind you, I'm not condoning the use of a bot, nor do I use a bot, just pointing out that their bots can in fact make them plenty of gold without doing dailies or playing the AH game. Not to mention, with all the grinding those bots do, they have an increased chance of finding a mob that has an epic world drop, which can instantly bring in a lot of gold. >without doing dailies or playing the AH game. Not to mention, with >all the grinding those bots do, they have an increased chance of >finding a mob that has an epic world drop, which can instantly bring >in a lot of gold. And then you get banned, making it even *more* pointless. * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. > at all. That's including the fact that my kids' WoW games are set to > shut off at a reasonable time at night. He goes to college during the > day, has a gaming curfew at night, yet he can make THAT much in the > limited time he gets without having to resort to botting. Um, this is off topic, but if your son is in college don't you think he's a little old for you to be setting limits on his bedtime or computer use? Unless you're in a different country or something and college means something different there. Mike >> at all. That's including the fact that my kids' WoW games are set to >> shut off at a reasonable time at night. He goes to college during the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Mike I thought that too then (shrug) if he's gonna be living under his roof, it's his rules. > I thought that too then (shrug) if he's gonna be living under his > roof, it's his rules. While certainly true, that doesn't mean that any and everything that said parent can possibly demand is right. If he demanded that he come home every day, stand on one foot, and jump up and down singing I'm a little teapot under penalty of getting kicked out I'm sure we'd all agree that it's the dad's legal right to enforce this, but that he'd be insane for doing so ;). That said, in the other post there Mr Palindrome has said that his son is still 16, so that is a lil more understandable. Still a bit strict in my eyes, but not quite on the same level as telling an 18+ year old adult that he can't play video games past a certain hour :). Mike >> I thought that too then (shrug) if he's gonna be living under his >> roof, it's his rules. Actually, he doesn't live under my roof, because of a divorce, and prior to me setting an evening deadline he'd tend to stay up playing until 1am+, raiding every night, and then his mother would have a hell of a time waking him up and getting his a.s off to school. I'd trusted him to be reasonable in my absence, and had let him use his own judgment as to when to call it a night, and he took advantage. That was around 8 months ago, when he was still 15, and he's only very recently turned 16. My other son is 14. I want no strife between me, my ex-wife and also their tutors/teachers because they are too tired to do their studies. >That said, in the other post there Mr Palindrome has said that his son >is still 16, so that is a lil more understandable. Still a bit strict >in my eyes, but not quite on the same level as telling an 18+ year old >adult that he can't play video games past a certain hour :). Not really that strict. My sons and I discussed the "curfew" and we all agreed it was the best thing to do. Heck, they can start playing at 7am should they wish to do so, and continue to 10.30pm on weekdays non-stop - neither me or nor their mother have a problem with that, if their homework is done and they've helped their mother with a chore or two. They both have a 15-hour daily session available to them which is more than ample - hell, even I wouldn't play that much :) Friday and Saturday nights there's no limits set anyway, and my sons can crash out asleep on the keyboard if they so wish, heh. Once they hit the magic 18 years old, they get free rein, they pay for their own accounts, and hopefully they've learnt along the way that a couple of boundaries is no bad thing. Anyway, enough of this. This isn't parenting class ;) Palindrome > Anyway, enough of this. This isn't parenting class ;) I'm not sure i'd want to play that class! ;) >> Anyway, enough of this. This isn't parenting class ;) > >I'm not sure i'd want to play that class! ;) lol :D Palindrome >> at all. That's including the fact that my kids' WoW games are set to >> shut off at a reasonable time at night. He goes to college during the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >computer use? Unless you're in a different country or something and >college means something different there. Not college as in "adult college" - he's still school age. Kids here in the UK can go to there at 16 instead of staying in a normal school for another couple of years. I'm not setting limits on his bedtime :D He can do as he pleases after WoW shuts down at 10.30 at night, during the week, but I won't have WoW keeping him up at all hours, when he has to get up early. Weekends and holidays are pretty much open all hours.should he want to indulge, but he's a sensible lad. When he hits 18, he can do as he sees fit, being a legal adult at that point. Then HE pays for the account :) Palindrome >And the muppet who announced that he was boycotting Blizzard. Erm, I >think it was Blizz doing the boycotting there! Yep. >What strikes me is the victim mentality and attitude that Blizz is >being unfair and picking on them, in much the same way as you'll never >find a guilty man in prison. Every one seems to be desperately trying There's one particular idiot who thinks that WoW needs them, that without botters the economy would run out of control. It's amazing what rationalization cheaters and scumbags will come up with to defend their activities. * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. >> That reminds me... I must pop into the Glider forums to take the piss >> and enjoy all the weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's usually >> hilarious :D > >LOL! Thanks for the tip, great read I particularly enjoyed the one >where they were banned half-way through a Shattered Halls run! You're welcome :) I really enjoyed it when they banhammered them the last time. >And the muppet who announced that he was boycotting Blizzard. Erm, I >think it was Blizz doing the boycotting there! Typical of the stunted mentality on there. >What strikes me is the victim mentality and attitude that Blizz is >being unfair and picking on them, in much the same way as you'll never >find a guilty man in prison. Every one seems to be desperately trying >to justify or legitimise their activities and as usual, everybody but >themselves is to blame ;) Yes, that same old cliche about "doing it because I have a life and don't want to grind" makes me laugh. If they had sufficient *friends* to group with, the levels absolutely fly by! They are mostly sad little loners who have no alternative but to have a robot play for them while they go about their lonely little lives. >Anyway, good riddance to 'em. 'Damn right. Palindrome > >anyone els get banned? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Palindrome I did just that for the first time. I was amazed at the ones who took it quite well. And what really made my day was finding out Glider is a subscription service. Some of these cheater/losers paid for a year in advance, and got banned in the second month. Twist that knife, add salt to taste. I forgot to see what one year of glider costs. SignatureHypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist. Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter. Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist. Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist. > anyone els get banned? All got the ban hammer! *g* >> anyone els get banned? > >All got the ban hammer! *g* wtf is glider? > >In article <4834d9f3$0$15205$607ed...@cv.net>, joliver328 > >@YahooNOSPAM.com says... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > wtf is glider? I haven't researched it in depth but, according to several news stories I have read, it's a software product that allows the user to copy the game into their RAM (which Blizzard states is a copyright violation) and then Glider executes against this copy, which allows the player to play without playing. I imagine it's programmable to a certain extent. I just think it's pathetic that so many people can't even be bothered to play a *game* themselves. >I just think it's pathetic that so many people can't even be bothered >to play a *game* themselves. /agree They have paid to buy the WoW software, are paying a monthly subscription, plus whatever they pay/paid for Glider, to NOT play the game. ... and they call us legit players tools LOL. I was hanging out in Blizzard's CSF as the first QQ on the ban-wave was posted. I'm still LMAO :D well. i did get banned but im not all that upset. i spent 70 days /played lol. its time for a break for wow. I botted because i didnt want to do the entire levling process to just play another 70. oh well its not that big of a deal. im glad the cheaters got banned. just wished they would stop spamming all thoese gold /w.. im going to go try AoC now. (not botting ever again lol) as for everyone bashing me and cursing.. how mature are you?? i was just asking a question. >>I just think it's pathetic that so many people can't even be bothered >>to play a *game* themselves. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I was hanging out in Blizzard's CSF as the first QQ on the ban-wave > was posted. I'm still LMAO :D > >> anyone els get banned? > > > >All got the ban hammer! *g* > > wtf is glider? It is a "bot" - a program which can be set up to manipulate world of warcraft (NOT an addon, those are ok by blizzard - but an external program you start before you start the game) - it then remote controls your characters and has it running around in an area killing mobs all night (while you sleep) - all day (while you are at work) - all eveniing (while you are at the cinema) - and have you leveled when you come back in the evening. Blizzard does NOT want people to do that, and has added code to the game which tries to scan for this - those who make the bots keep trying to avoid being detected - so instead of working on the expansion they have people trying to defeat the cheaters (and gold sellers etc) >> wtf is glider? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > avoid being detected - so instead of working on the expansion they have > people trying to defeat the cheaters (and gold sellers etc) How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys or my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software making a huge asumption? what does it do? engage in pst's with suspected bots? and if no answer, Banned? hmmm, no way, they are guessing, just using s-ware for extrapolation. Maybe if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just sounds too easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider? Kit Walker > >> wtf is glider? > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just sounds too > easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider? When you "accept" the EULA/TOS after every patch, you agree to let them install and run the "Warden" which is a piece of software running on your PC trying to catch botting/modification software. Fairly reliable, too, if the QQ on the glider and CSF forums is any indication ;-) Cheers Urbin SignatureDun Morogh-EU (PvE) Urbin (70), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (24), Draenei Mage Mymule (70), Gnomish Warlock | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest | Gera (26), Human Paladin > How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys > or my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kit Walker I did read some posts about people using linux, or a programmable keyboard who also got band. They didn't get a chance to explain to blizz what was going on, there is no way of negotiating. Even friends of them who posted on the official warcraft forums couldn't post anything anymore after a while. Think this is just a thing of the times we live in. big companies like telecom for example get costumers in a very agressive way. The ones with problems have the hardest time getting things solved, there is almost no kind of costumer service. its just easyer, and more important cheaper to not have a big and expensive helpdesk. just ignore the complaints and get more clients. Those who take the step to get a lawyer are rare.Because the ammount of money involved does not cover the expense or the effort they have to put in. I'm not a glider user myself, in fact, i hate everything that smells like cheating. Many online games i used to play before wow got destroyed by cheaters. But I agree with Walker that some software detecting program is not flawles, and might get innocent people banned. Imagen it happens to you, and you have no way defending yourself or get your account back,..... grts bahaal Here's a link of a Linux user who got band and the communication with Blizz. http://infernix.net/wowban/ grts Ed > Here's a link of a Linux user who got band and the communication with Blizz. > http://infernix.net/wowban/ Ah, someone who thinks having his character train skills while he watches tv isn't a bannable offense *g* > Here's a link of a Linux user who got band and the communication with Blizz.http://infernix.net/wowban/ > > grts Ed That's from 2 years ago, and virtually every person back then that was banned for using WoW via Wine on Linux got their account back. The Warden hasn't picked up Wine as being a hack in ages now. It's perfectly safe to play on Linux with Wine these days. Mike > > Here's a link of a Linux user who got band and the communication with Blizz.http://infernix.net/wowban/ > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Warden hasn't picked up Wine as being a hack in ages now. It's > perfectly safe to play on Linux with Wine these days. Apparently, as Pete wrote, the link is about a guy using a programmable keyboard to level weapon skills while watching tv and not about cedega/wine being falsely marked by warden. the latter being something they rectified, the former still being a bannable offense. Cheers Urbin, very happy with the latest banwave SignatureDun Morogh-EU (PvE) Urbin (70), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (24), Draenei Mage Mymule (70), Gnomish Warlock | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest | Gera (26), Human Paladin >Here's a link of a Linux user who got band and the communication with Blizz. >http://infernix.net/wowban/ So what? * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. > > How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys > > or my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > who posted on the official warcraft forums couldn't post anything anymore > after a while. You will find that during the last glider-banwave, a lot of Linux users using Cedega (sp?) to run WoW under Linux got banned by mistake ("false positive" is the proper term here). As far as I know, most of them got their accounts back and the warden was adjusted. From what I read on the official CSF forums during the past days, no linux users got hit by the banhammer this time. Also, the Blizz posters on the CSF forums posted the link to get in touch with Account Admin for people who were of the opinion that they were unjustly banned. As far as I know Blizzard will review such cases in their logs and revoke a ban if it was unjustified. Of course, with 300'000+ people banned, the backlog on this path might be a nasty surprise for the true victims of a false positive at the moment... > Think this is just a thing of the times we live in. [snip] there is > almost no kind of costumer service. its just easyer, and more important > cheaper to not have a big and expensive helpdesk. just ignore the > complaints and get more clients. Those who take the step to get a lawyer > are rare.Because the ammount of money involved does not cover the expense > or the effort they have to put in. I agree with you in principle. And I can't say whether Blizzard fit in with the majority or whether they are the nice exception to the rule or not. However, I have read posts by people who were banned by mistake and got their accounts back and the time lost credited to their account, so at least their revision process seems to work. And yes, I saw your other post with the link to the guy banned for running linux but did not follow the link to read the post. I don't know if he is the unlucky exception who did not get his account back during the last ban wave, or if he did but only later and posted his stuff beforehand or if he was the one linux user that did cheat in addition to playing on linux or... I am just saying, there is evidence that Blizzard corrects bans that were unjustified. > But I agree with Walker that some software detecting program is not > flawles, and might get innocent people banned. Imagen it happens to you, > and you have no way defending yourself or get your account back,..... But you do have a way. Get in touch with Account Admin and they will investigate your case. As I was saying, I don't have first hand information on this, maybe someone else can enlighten us to what it is like to interact with AA... Cheers Urbin SignatureDun Morogh-EU (PvE) Urbin (70), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (24), Draenei Mage Mymule (70), Gnomish Warlock | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest | Gera (26), Human Paladin > And yes, I saw your other post with the link to the guy banned for running > linux but did not follow the link to read the post. I did. He used a programmable keyboard to have his character train weaponskils by hitting a lowlever critter (which healed itself over and over) over and over while he watched movies. > In article <slrng3deqd.3f6.urbin@stinky.trash.net>, > urbin@invalid.invalid says... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > weaponskils by hitting a lowlever critter (which healed itself over and > over) over and over while he watched movies. Thanks. Well, then he was correctly banned for use of a programmable keyboard and not incorrectly for running WoW under Linux. Cheers Urbin SignatureDun Morogh-EU (PvE) Urbin (70), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (24), Draenei Mage Mymule (70), Gnomish Warlock | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest | Gera (26), Human Paladin > How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys or > my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software making a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just sounds too > easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider? As someone else mentioned, there are routines (part of the program) which is refered to as "Warden" which has nothing to do with the game, but scans memory for "something" (the something being a secret kept by Blizzard) - much like a virus scanner it knows about certain threats and moitors the memory areas used by the game to make sure other programs don't monitor that - it also makes some guesses outside of what it "knows" - the Warden has the ability to close an account if it finds something suspcious. What seems to happen then is: If the user doesn't complain or enquire, the account just stays closed. Usually though people will write to the overburden accouting department (average wait: 8 days) complaining about it, claiming they are innocent - and then humans will take over and analyze the logs. Most people don't realise how much is logged (even your emotes are logged - you can get a temp ban for spamming emotes). And for instance if they see you have been in the same zone for 24 hours killing mobs every 5 seconds all the time - they are probably not going to believe it was you. Sometimes when they can't find what they consider proof they have reopened the account again. Of course they only close or ban an *account* - not the credit card, so you could just start another account right away on the same card. > Sometimes when they can't find what they consider proof they have > reopened the account again. Of course they only close or ban an > *account* - not the credit card, so you could just start another account > right away on the same card. Actually, in the current ban wave, they seem to have banned all accounts paid for by an offending credit card to catch people having two accounts, one to bot and one with their bona fide chars on (something suggested on the glider forums to get around risking valuable main chars). I don't know whether these bans concern only existing accounts or whether they will also refuse to let you open new accounts with such a CC... Cheers Urbin SignatureDun Morogh-EU (PvE) Urbin (70), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (24), Draenei Mage Mymule (70), Gnomish Warlock | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest | Gera (26), Human Paladin > I don't know whether these bans concern only existing accounts or whether > they will also refuse to let you open new accounts with such a CC... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- There was a post on the CSF forums, where the guy admitted to botting and accepting his ban, inquiring if he could use the same CC to open a new account. According to blue, as long as he doesn't bot on the new acocunt, he has no issues, suggesting that while they did appear to ban accounts connected by CC, they have not black-listed the CC's themselves. > There was a post on the CSF forums, where the guy admitted to botting > and accepting his ban, inquiring if he could use the same CC to open a > new account. According to blue, as long as he doesn't bot on the new > acocunt, he has no issues, suggesting that while they did appear to > ban accounts connected by CC, they have not black-listed the CC's > themselves. Probably more trouble than it's worth for them to bother blacklisting CC #'s. Call the company and say you lost it and they'll have you one with a new number in 3-5 days. MIke > > Sometimes when they can't find what they consider proof they have > > reopened the account again. Of course they only close or ban an [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I don't know whether these bans concern only existing accounts or whether > they will also refuse to let you open new accounts with such a CC... Well i just know what i read, in an interview i think, where some high up blizzard'er said "we do not ban credit cards, only accounts". But I guess if they find that an account has been hacking, it would make sense to check out other accounts on that credit card. And of course if your bot char has been sending a steady stream of goods to your other account they are probably both toast *g* >How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys or >my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software making a >huge asumption? what does it do? engage in pst's with suspected bots? and if >no answer, Banned? Outside of banwaves, they do exactly what you say there - if someone reports a bot, they "play with it". From my reading of the glider forum, it kind of goes like this - they teleport the botting character to somewhere far away from their 'patrol route'. Generally one of three things happen then: 1) A legitimate player is confused, but they control their character properly and move on. 2) The glider's protections instantly log off the character. This happening over and over is as good as 3) The character runs into a piece of scenery and gets stuck. Supposedly if a botter has been very thorough it's possible for them to detect the stuck condition and *maybe* get back on track mechanically, but if the GM picks someplace really obscure or heavily overgrown, you're gonna be detectably running in place and banging into things like a blind drunk. GMs will also whisper suspected botters, but the software apparently screeches a loud warning when this happens which would give the botter a chance to run to the keyboard or log off. It would only catch someone who's botting when not near the computer. >hmmm, no way, they are guessing, just using s-ware for extrapolation. Maybe >if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just sounds too >easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider? They can do software detection too. There's really no bulletproof way to hide it, regardless of what the developer will tell you. Even rootkits are readily detectable if you know what you're doing. And you can bet that there's someone at blizzard that has a copy of glider the moment an update is released, so they know *exactly* how it tries to hide itself. * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. >Blizzard does NOT want people to do that, and has added code to the game >which tries to scan for this - those who make the bots keep trying to >avoid being detected - so instead of working on the expansion they have >people trying to defeat the cheaters (and gold sellers etc) It's my opinion that the attempts to hide glider have never actually worked - they just make it look like that so they can entrap lots of cheaters at once, after collecting subscription money from them as a disincentive. This "mercury" character is just some guy - he's not figuring out how to hide his code in 48 hours after a ban. It's just that they're turning off the detection code (or not acting on it) between ban waves. Blizzard has no good reason to terminate trial accounts being glided. On the other hand, if they wait until you're in the game for cash and THEN do it, you get screwed for cheating and they get financial compensation for it. * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. > anyone els get banned? YES, thankfully. This was a massive ban wave by Blizzard to get rid of all the folks too damned lazy/stupid/"with too little time" to actually play the game they purchased and subscribed to. GJ Blizz! Way to go! >> anyone els get banned? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > GJ Blizz! Way to go! Relax "L" go take a Chill pill lol |
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