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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Warcraft / July 2007TBC
I started playing WoW around May or so, and have since gotten my Priest to lvl 48. I have a few alts too, but it seems like they all made it to the high teens and I lost interest with them. Still play them here and there for a better use of rest time, but my Priest gets most of my attention. Anyway, since I was just starting wow, I didn't get the expansion. I was new, and that would have just been silly. I was wondering at what point one would reccomend getting the expansion? I know I have another 10 levels before I could go to outland. My tailoring is approaching 300 (278 I think), and Enchanting will be in that range fairly soon, I've been held up there by not being able to find a group to get to the Enchanting trainer in Uldaman. So are there any good reasons for getting TBC before 58? When should I look into getting it? -Rem >I started playing WoW around May or so, and have since gotten my > Priest to lvl 48. I have a few alts too, but it seems like they all [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So are there any good reasons for getting TBC before 58? When should I > look into getting it? I got the expansion pack (my highest is L47) when I realized that there was no way in hell I wouldn't want to play it, too. :) I also wanted to start alts in the new areas, just for variety's sake. Since I've only been playing since March, I can't tell you whether or not there were always Draenei questgivers in the Hinterlands and Southshore pre-BC, but there are, now. (There are probably more, but those are the only ones I've found. I don't know if they were 'patched' in, or on my install disks.) Xymmie > -Rem I think it was "Xymmie" <xymmie@gmail.com> that wrote something like... >>I started playing WoW around May or so, and have since gotten my >> Priest to lvl 48. I have a few alts too, but it seems like they all [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >only ones I've found. I don't know if they were 'patched' in, or on my >install disks.) The Draenei quest givers appeared before TBC did. There is also one in the Swamp of Sorrows, north west area in a village of broken. Ashen Shugar  SignatureThe lions sing and the hills take flight. The moon by day, and the sun by night. Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool. Let the Lord of Chaos rule! > The Draenei quest givers appeared before TBC did. There is also one > in the Swamp of Sorrows, north west area in a village of broken. Village of broken? Were the Draenei on the original disks (WoW) or were they added in a pre-BC patch as a teaser-type thing? Xymmie I think it was "Xymmie" <xymmie@gmail.com> that wrote something like... >> The Draenei quest givers appeared before TBC did. There is also one >> in the Swamp of Sorrows, north west area in a village of broken. > >Village of broken? I think it's Broken. The Draenei that went through a portal somewhere along the line to Azeroth, but were mutated by the magic energies. >Were the Draenei on the original disks (WoW) or were they added in a pre-BC >patch as a teaser-type thing? > >Xymmie Some Draenei NPC's were added in the big patch that was release in like December or something, which was also when the 41 point talents were added. I'm pretty sure if you could look through all the files on the install disks of Vanilla WoW, you wouldn't find any Draenei data. There'd be stuff for the Broken quite possibly though. Ashen Shugar SignatureThe lions sing and the hills take flight. The moon by day, and the sun by night. Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool. Let the Lord of Chaos rule! > I think it was "Xymmie" <xymmie@gmail.com> that wrote something > like... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I think it's Broken. The Draenei that went through a portal somewhere > along the line to Azeroth, but were mutated by the magic energies. Yes. And the broken Draenei have always been in the SoS. > >Were the Draenei on the original disks (WoW) or were they added in a pre-BC > >patch as a teaser-type thing? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on the install disks of Vanilla WoW, you wouldn't find any Draenei > data. Yes they were added with patch 2.0. You could gather Draenei reputation before TBC went live by doing the quests in: - Southshore - Hinterlands - Ashenvale (probably some others that I can't think of) > There'd be stuff for the Broken quite possibly though. That had to be in the original files as they were always in the SoS long before patch 2.0. Cheers Urbin SignatureDun Morogh-EU (PvE) Urbin (70), Dwarven Hunter | Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest Mymule (35), Gnomish Warlock | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid Surana (16), Draenei Mage | Gera (26), Human Paladin > I've been held up there by not being able to find a group to get to > the Enchanting trainer in Uldaman. The enchanting trainers in TBC train all the same stuff that the Uldaman trainer does, and they're in cities. So that would be one reason to get TBC before level 58. SignatureJohn Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies" > So are there any good reasons for getting TBC before 58? When should I > look into getting it? Are there any good reasons to *not* get it now? I mean, if you can't afford the $39.99 now, you are probably on a fixed or limited income and probably can't afford the monthly fee either. SignatureChris B. furrier@iglou.com >> So are there any good reasons for getting TBC before 58? When should I >> look into getting it? > > Are there any good reasons to *not* get it now? I mean, if you can't > afford the $39.99 now, you are probably on a fixed or limited income > and probably can't afford the monthly fee either. Considering how empty Azeroth is I would think not getting the expansion would just be an exercise in frustration. What would you do when you hit level 60? Nobody is running the old end-game stuff so unless you just like to level up alt after alt it's a waste of the monthly fee to not have TBC. > > So are there any good reasons for getting TBC before 58? When should I > > look into getting it? > > Are there any good reasons to *not* get it now? I mean, if you can't > afford the $39.99 now, you are probably on a fixed or limited income > and probably can't afford the monthly fee either. Good point! Ok another question. How does TBC work from account to account? I would assume you must buy it for every account you want to use it on. What if you have multiple players who use the same computer? If I buy TBC, can a non-TBC account still use that computer? I understand they wouldnt have access to the TBC content, but I want to know if they could physically use that computer that has TBC installed on it, and still play old world content on their non-TBC account. > Ok another question. How does TBC work from account to account? I > would assume you must buy it for every account you want to use it on. > What if you have multiple players who use the same computer? If I buy > TBC, can a non-TBC account still use that computer? They can play but they won't have access to any of the TBC content. The reverse doesn't work, though. If you have a TBC-enabled account and try to play on a computer without TBC installed you get an error message. At least I did the last time I tried it. > I understand they wouldnt have access to the TBC content, but I want > to know if they could physically use that computer that has TBC > installed on it, and still play old world content on their non-TBC > account. Yep. >> Ok another question. How does TBC work from account to account? I >> would assume you must buy it for every account you want to use it on. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > play on a computer without TBC installed you get an error message. At > least I did the last time I tried it. True. I'd installed TBC on my desktop but not my laptop (which can't really handle actual gameplay) and I couldn't log on to check my auctions until I installed TBC, too. Xymmie >> I understand they wouldnt have access to the TBC content, but I want >> to know if they could physically use that computer that has TBC >> installed on it, and still play old world content on their non-TBC >> account. > > Yep. > Are there any good reasons to *not* get it now? I mean, if you can't > afford the $39.99 now, you are probably on a fixed or limited income > and probably can't afford the monthly fee either. I've got a 6 figure salary, and $39.99 still feels like a waste of money to me if I'm not going to use it. And so far, I don't see the need for it. Maybe when I hit level 60 (I've already decided I won't abandon Azeroth at 58). I'm sort of annoyed at Blizzard for ruining Azeroth by sucking away all the players and devaluing the old world content and economy. I don't feel like raiding, so I won't really care that at level 60 there won't be anyone to do raids with. When I hit 60, then the first thing I'll do is work on some of my other characters and level them up too. Then maybe I'll decide if I want to spend the money or not, or just go back to single player games again and end my diversion into MMORPGs. I mean, it's not like this is the last game people will ever need to play; everyone has to move on sometime. -- Darin Johnson >> Are there any good reasons to *not* get it now? I mean, if you can't >> afford the $39.99 now, you are probably on a fixed or limited income [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a waste of money to me if I'm not going to use it. And > so far, I don't see the need for it. So don't buy it, <shrug>. > Maybe when I hit level 60 (I've already decided I won't abandon Azeroth > at 58). I'm sort of annoyed at Blizzard for ruining > Azeroth by sucking away all the players and devaluing > the old world content and economy. Most long-term players became totally sick of the old areas because they leveled and instanced in them so much. Blizzard didn't ruin the old areas. People were just tired of it. Good riddance to the old areas I say! I used to love them, of course, but been there and done that. If you are new to the game, more power to you and I hope you get enjoyment out of it (even if you are alone/solo most of the time). > I don't feel like raiding, so I won't really care that > at level 60 there won't be anyone to do raids with. That's a good thing, because there won't be any. > When I hit 60, then the first thing I'll do is work on > some of my other characters and level them up too. Now, that's a good plan if you dont want to spend $39.95. Leveling is fun, until of course, you've done it 5 or 6 times. > Then maybe I'll decide if I want to spend the money > or not, or just go back to single player games again > and end my diversion into MMORPGs. Or, you could just spend $39.95 and have a much better time than most of the poorly designed single players games. Whatever. Sounds like you're holding off buying TBC just to spite Blizzard. If that's the case, there's really no reasonable discussion left to be made. SignatureChris B. furrier@iglou.com > Blizzard didn't ruin the > old areas. People were just tired of it. Ruined in the sense that it is not extremely difficult to get groups. Even more mid level instances. Used to be enchanters would want to join groups for Uldaman to visit the trainer, but that incentive is gone now. Then there's all the advice of "forget doing sunken temple, just wait a few levels and you can do better" that I hear. > > I don't feel like raiding, so I won't really care that > > at level 60 there won't be anyone to do raids with. > > That's a good thing, because there won't be any. I do hear people trying to get groups for this. Ie, to get the warlock or paladin epic mounts, or for fun. Sometimes they get a group, but it usually has 3 level 70 or such in them so that it's almost a cake walk. I hear lots of disparaging about the old world, which probably annoys me the most. There's the attitude that if you can't get good loot, there's no point in doing something, and since good loot grows on the trees in Outlands, there's no point to sticking in Azeroth longer than necessary. All that filler content and quest text is apparently only for the RP servers... > Leveling > is fun, until of course, you've done it 5 or 6 times. Which is why I try hard not to overlap my questing areas with my characters. Sometimes it can't be avoided, and the higher levels I get the harder it can be to avoid. > Or, you could just spend $39.95 and have a much better time than > most of the poorly designed single players games. Um, most of the single player games I have outshine WoW by a long shot. WoW is addictive though, but is really shallow when you look at it objectively. I can't play many of the single player games for months on end like WoW, and I can't talk to someone while doing it either. But they'll have better stories, more depth, more variety, more gameplay beyond kill/loot/repeat, etc. But then I pay $39.99 for TBC, then get to 70, and still don't want to raid, what then? At some point the game has to end. It is not a religion. It is not the last game I will ever play. I want to go back and replay Morrowind, play some more Thief fan missions, get Fallout 3 when it comes out, etc. > Whatever. Sounds like you're holding off buying TBC just to > spite Blizzard. No. Maybe just a little. But there's a whole lot of me making sure there's an ending point, and my tendency to not buy something until I need it and not just because it's new, and a denial that I'm addicted, and a tendency to be contrarian. -- Darin Johnson >I hear lots of disparaging about the old world, which >probably annoys me the most. There's the attitude [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >content and quest text is apparently only for the >RP servers... Well, I think you're exaggerating a bit, but the real reason why most players abandoned Azeroth was that we were TIRED OF IT. When BC came out, I had my first 60 for a year, a second for 9 months, and a third for two months. The last thing I had any desire to do was spend time in the old instances - I had been to all of them dozens of times. I was especially sick of Stratholme (once a favorite instance) because I ran it 10 times in one weekend to get Naxx attuned. I've only recently gone back, and that was just to see how far into it my 66 paladin could solo (answer - every single trash mob, didn't try any bosses). It's too bad you joined the game later, but that doesn't mean you get to be upset at people who won't go with you to instances they're sick of. * Signature* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. > I hear lots of disparaging about the old world, which > probably annoys me the most. There's the attitude [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > content and quest text is apparently only for the > RP servers... Well, good loot apparently *does* grow on trees in Outlands. I just hit 58 this weekend, and went over to check it out. The quest rewards for the first three quests I did dropped me rewards that made what I was wearing before look pale and sickly. Now, I wasn't twinked out, but I had good enough gear that I had no real problems soloing most PvE content, and held me own in most even-level world PvP fights. Of course, one of those cool QRs was a crossbow, a weapon I'd never used. I had a bit of fun soloing the first half of Gnomeregan to skill up my crossbow score. *grin* (I chose Gnomeregan because it's close to Ironforge, low enough level that the mobs aren't actually dangerous, but at the same time have enough hit points that it takes 3-4 shots each to drop them. By the time I got to the room with the flying contraptions in it, I had skilled up to 270/290, which I declared good enough. Those last 20 points will come soon enough. My plan, though, isn't to just quit Azeroth. I'm going to run a few quests over in Outland to get the good gear, then go back and tie up the quest chains I was working in the old world. Probably won't get the instances, but I'll at least do the normal missions. SignatureRob Wynne / The Autographed Cat / doc@america.net http://www.autographedcat.com/ / http://autographedcat.livejournal.com/ Gafilk 2008: Jan 11-13, 2008 - Atlanta, GA - http://www.gafilk.org/ Aphelion - Original SF&F since 1997 - http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/ > > I hear lots of disparaging about the old world, which > > probably annoys me the most. There's the attitude [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the first three quests I did dropped me rewards that made what I was > wearing before look pale and sickly. The items are roughly T2 level. It's a mechanic it get everyone quickly up to the same gear level when TBC launched. (T2 being the best most people had) And the reason the first few are weapons are because weapons offer the best boost to your DPS. After the first few quests loot tends to level out and you'll only see small increments. > My plan, though, isn't to just quit Azeroth. I'm going to run a few > quests over in Outland to get the good gear, then go back and tie up the > quest chains I was working in the old world. Probably won't get the > instances, but I'll at least do the normal missions. Why would you do that? SignatureChris B. furrier@iglou.com >> My plan, though, isn't to just quit Azeroth. I'm going to run a few >> quests over in Outland to get the good gear, then go back and tie up the >> quest chains I was working in the old world. Probably won't get the >> instances, but I'll at least do the normal missions. > > Why would you do that? Because I'm interested in the storyline and the lore? Bear in mind that this is my first character, and I haven't explored all that content yet. I doubt I'll go to Silithus, because I think Silithid are creepy. But the plaguelands quests are interesting, and Winterspring is a very pretty place to adventure. Why *wouldn't* I do that? SignatureRob Wynne / The Autographed Cat / doc@america.net http://www.autographedcat.com/ / http://autographedcat.livejournal.com/ Gafilk 2008: Jan 11-13, 2008 - Atlanta, GA - http://www.gafilk.org/ Aphelion - Original SF&F since 1997 - http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/ >>> My plan, though, isn't to just quit Azeroth. I'm going to run a few >>> quests over in Outland to get the good gear, then go back and tie up the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Why *wouldn't* I do that? Indeed, my lock is typing up all the soloable quests before going to Outlands, and I've even done all the Azeroth stuff before. Doesn't make me any less interested in seeing it again though, I like seeing the lore and storylines. SignatureEU-Draenor: Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 70) Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70) Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70) Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60) Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 59) Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 52) Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 52) > Because I'm interested in the storyline and the lore? Bear in mind that > this is my first character, and I haven't explored all that content yet. Agreed. Maybe older players are sick of the area, but there's little reason for new players to abandon Azeroth. Except for the lure of loot. There are still tons of new players out there. -- Darin Johnson >> My plan, though, isn't to just quit Azeroth. I'm going to run a few >> quests over in Outland to get the good gear, then go back and tie up the >> quest chains I was working in the old world. Probably won't get the >> instances, but I'll at least do the normal missions. > > Why would you do that? It's also a good idea to hit level 70 with a large number of quests still to do in Outland. One of the easiest ways to get gold for your flying mount(s) is to do the quest chains in the last two zones after you are level 70. The bump in gold for the rewards plus the quest gear you can vendor adds up very quickly. > I've got a 6 figure salary, Most people who brag about their salary are: - Full of sh.t - Have a really empty life - No friends - No significant other I do quite well for myself; better then the vast majority of society; I don't feel the need to brag; flash or show off how I am doing economically; it's petty and insulting to hard working people. It's called respect for oneself and for others. No go back to your meanial unskilled labour position; move out of your mommies basement; and get a girlfriend...wait wait.. that was mean, first get a friend just one...online friends and guildmates don't count either. > and $39.99 still feels like a waste of money to me It's a drop in the bucket if you make that kind of money; if you made the kind of money you claim; you wouldn't give a second thought to spending a whole $40, wow $40, let's see that's not even a tank of gas in most vehicles... > Most people who brag about their salary are: Just saying that the only reason people don't spend $39.99 for a game isn't just because they can't afford it. If the perceived value isn't worth the price, then it's not purchased. If there are 100 games on the store shelves, should I buy them all just because they're all affordable individually? At some point I have to stick to my budget. At this point, TBC doesn't have much perceived value for me. I'd rather spend that $40 on something that I want or need more than something I'm very lukewarm about. > Just saying that the only reason people don't > spend $39.99 for a game isn't just because they > can't afford it. You lied; you bragged; you said a great deal. > If the perceived value isn't worth the price, > then it's not purchased. If there are 100 > games on the store shelves, should I buy them > all just because they're all affordable > individually? In your case; no since you can not afford any of them. > At some point I have to stick to my budget. Perhaps you should press your blue smock and ask for a raise or a promotion? My priest went at L57. After spending a week+ running BRD, I had my fill (getting there is more fun than the instance itself!). Already been to EPL/WPL on my mage, so no point in grinding thru that stuff again (to hell with the argent dawn!). Guildies summoned me to Hellfire Penn. and I healed for Ramparts. Couldn't get the quests, but the EXP was great. It was a nice change and quite a challenge in my Azeroth gear! |
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