get over it.

Bliz finished off the Alchemy profession here in the last patch.

so.. uh  now there also is no incentive to make anything.

you been nerfed a while ago - we be nerfed now.

most likely i am not on your server, so don't wonder anymore either.

-=  imho:  pretty soon it will be all the top UBER farmers and UBER gold sellers groups/guilds that battle for the top slots against all Bliz's rich buddies and Magazine Editor's and their staff. =-

so then we just call ourselves serfs..  get it ?  LOL

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For crafting to be profitable, it either needs to be resrticted in how much
you can make, either by a cooldown (which we have for some professions), or
by the length of time it takes to make (which would really cut the supply of
the final item and drive the price up).

Things that take 10 seconds to make and are makeable by lots of people,
ultimately arnt going to be profitable in a decent size economy.

Lineage2 had a neat idea for crafting that there were hundreds of
subcombines required for making items, and each one took mana. I remember
when I was making my B grade axe, it took me an hour or so sitting around
getting mana for all the subcombines. Have something like that in WOW and
you wont see the AH flooded with cheap items.

Do they really sell for that price, or are you just quoting the prices
of those items in the AH that are not sold?

Who do you presume is managing (or mismanaging) it?

Other than enchants, potions, and BoP stuff, yeah.

Well yeah, most professions are a money sink.  I do alright with tailoring
mainly because I can make and sell bags.  What I really don't understand is
why so much high end crafted stuff is BOP?  Like most of the JC trinkets.
What is the point?  Shouldn't the jewelcrafter have the opportunity to make
and sell the stuff for a profit?  Same is high end tailoring.  What can
Blizz be thinking?

On Jul 8, 2:40 am, "faceman28...@yahoo.com" <faceman28...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

The incentive to craft things is in raising your skill.

Tradeskills in WoW aren't like their counterparts in real life.  In
real life a carpenter doesn't start out building birdhouses, then
shacks, then regular homes, then mansions, with discreet measurable
increases in skill in between.  A crafting skill in WoW is a money
sink as you effectively purchase most of your skilllups by having to
consume raw materials worth more than the finished product.  And you
watch your skill level rise point by point as you go.

It costs you more than what the finished product is worth because
there's always another crafter around who also wants those same
materials to increase his skill, while the finished products you both
produce are identical.

So what I'm saying is that in many cases the true finished product of
crafting isn't the actual item you produce, it is the skill increase
you get.  That's the profit you get out of crafting.

Your payoff for many of the crafting skills isn't ending up with a
marketable profession, it is being able to produce endgame gear for
yourself with the top end bind on pickup recipes.

On Jul 8, 2:40 am, "faceman28...@yahoo.com" <faceman28...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There is: it's called skillups, and that's the reason why things sell
for less than their mat cost.  People who have professions want to
level them to max level.  Until you get to max level, it's not "How
much money can I make?", it's "How much is each skill point gonna cost
me?".  A lot of crafters vendor (or disenchant) their creations and
just keep making stuff to skill up.

Any pattern that is made with less thatn max-level skill will often be
this way.  The postive thing though, is that for items that require
the max skill level (ie, 375) to make, people don't normally sell
these at a loss, because there is no incentive to do it.  That being
said, for the really common max-level patterns, you will probably
still not see much of a profit there.  Profit from crafting (or
enchanting) is ALL about having the max level scarce recipes/patterns.

Mike