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Game Forum / Roguelike / Nethack / November 2003YAOI [spoilers]
From some spoilers: -5 : Displacing your pet in such a manner as to cause it to become trapped -15 : Displacing your pet in such a manner as to cause it to drown or die -2 : Killing a co-aligned priest I've always known this, and I've always resented the fact that I am forced to play with a pet when choosing some of mt favourite characters. The archaeologist being a prime example, indiana jones always left his dog at home. But seeing it next to other things such as "killing a co-aligned priest" really makes me want to speak up once again and say, why the hell does your god care so much about that crappy dog who IS going to die anyways, that he would rather see me kill seven of his priests than that little dog? Please remove that stupid "feature" from the game. -frl Fu, Ren-Li <frl8@rogers.com> deserves a cookie for saying: > I've always known this, and I've always resented the fact that I am forced > to play with a pet when choosing some of mt favourite characters. The > archaeologist being a prime example, indiana jones always left his dog at > home. You're not forced to play with a pet.  SignatureBruce Labbate | And there's blood on my teeth shiftless layabout | When I bite my tongue to speak. | Zip me down, kiss me there. | - Afghan Whigs > I've always known this, and I've always resented the fact that I am > forced to play with a pet when choosing some of mt favourite > characters. You not forced to do any such thing. Try looking up "pettype" in the guidebook, pay particular attention to the "none" option. > Please remove that stupid "feature" from the game. I belive you mean "nonexistant 'feature'" "Seraphim" <gme6@cornell.edu> wrote in message > You not forced to do any such thing. Try looking up "pettype" in the > guidebook, pay particular attention to the "none" option. Please tell me how to set pettype on the tournament server. Thanks. -frl "Fu, Ren-Li" <frl8@rogers.com> wrote in news:NpStb.90269$Rah1.33557 @twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com: > Please tell me how to set pettype on the tournament server. > > Thanks. > > -frl RTFM K TNX > "Fu, Ren-Li" <frl8@rogers.com> wrote in news:NpStb.90269$Rah1.33557 > @twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > RTFM K TNX No. Why don't you tell me instead? Do you have some kind of disease which prevents you from understanding that getting -15 to your alignment for killing your dog is illogical, even in a fantasy world? It's a feature which should be removed. Just think: You could kill seven coaligned priests and still not lose as much aslignment. -frl >> "Fu, Ren-Li" <frl8@rogers.com> wrote in news:NpStb.90269$Rah1.33557 >> @twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -frl You're a dipshit little troll. It's apparent you are not illiterate but it's abundantly obvious you are too lazy to do anything for yourself. I am entertained at your attitude especially regarding a game. > "Fu, Ren-Li" <frl8@rogers.com> wrote in > >> RTFM K TNX > > > > No. Why don't you tell me instead? > > You're a dipshit little troll. No, you're an elitist foulmouth. > It's apparent you are not illiterate but it's abundantly obvious you are too lazy to do anything for yourself. Mind telling me how to set pickup types on the tournament server? > I am entertained at your attitude especially regarding a game. I might say the same thing about yourself. -frl > > You're a dipshit little troll. > > No, you're an elitist foulmouth. From the FAQ: Personal attacks and flames: Personal attacks have no place in a public forum; if you feel you must flame someone, take it to email. (Yes, this is addressed to both of you.) : Dylan O'Donnell http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/ : : "Its habit of getting up late you'll agree / That it carries too far, : : when I say / That it frequently breakfasts at five-o'clock tea / And : : dines on the following day." -- Lewis Carroll, The Hunting of the Snark : > From the FAQ: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (Yes, this is addressed to both of you.) I'm sorry Dylan, I just got overly upset at the fact that Haakon Studebaker told me to RTFM when in fact he has asked questions about setting options on the tournament server himself in the recent past. -frl >I'm sorry Dylan, I just got overly upset at the fact that Haakon Studebaker >told me to RTFM when in fact he has asked questions about setting options on >the tournament server himself in the recent past. But, you see, his questions were asked nicely, rather than by attempting to annoy the people being asked for information, which is generally counterproductive. SignatureDavid Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill the tomato! >>I'm sorry Dylan, I just got overly upset at the fact that Haakon Studebaker >>told me to RTFM when in fact he has asked questions about setting options on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to annoy the people being asked for information, which is generally > counterproductive. What's depressing is that this kind of stuff is rec.games.go every day. Strangely enough, frl is a regular over there too (and he's by no means the worst offender, to give you an idea of how bad the problem is...) - Andrew troll (although i'm sure many of you would like to believe it) [snip all content] Am I the only one who is seriously disturbed by the Subject of this thread? I'm not sure who came up with "YAOI" as a nethack-related acronym, but please never use it again thanks :( SignatureOne day she went out and did not come back. She must have been arrested in the street at that time. She vanished without a trace and probably died somewhere, forgotten as a nameless number on a list that afterwards got mislaid, in one of the innumerable mixed or women's concentration camps in the north. - Boris Pasternak >[snip all content] > >Am I the only one who is seriously disturbed by the Subject of this thread? The what? Best I can come up with is some Japanese word that has some vague sexual connotations. I couldn't bring myself anywhere near "seriously disturbed", but then, I'm probably a socioipath or borderline personality or something. >>[snip all content] >>Am I the only one who is seriously disturbed by the Subject of this thread? >The what? Best I can come up with is some Japanese word that has some >vague sexual connotations. "yaoi" is a neat parallel to Western "lesbian" porn; idealised improbably handsome gay men having sex, done with an almost exclusively heterosexual female audience in mind, bearing little resemblance to the activities of actual gay men. There's another subgenre called "shonen ai", which mostly has angst instead of action. 90% of yaoi is crap, but then 90% of everything is crap. SignatureDavid Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl? David you have a lot of weird ideas. YAOI means yet another old idea. -frl > >>[snip all content] > >>Am I the only one who is seriously disturbed by the Subject of this thread? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 90% of yaoi is crap, but then 90% of everything is crap. > David you have a lot of weird ideas. > > YAOI means yet another old idea. Yes, and BDSM means black (or blue) dragon scale mail. But that doesn't mean that it is the only meaning of that acronym. Topi Signature"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell "How come he didn't put 'I think' at the end of it?" - Anonymous It's all about the context. -frl > "yaoi" is a neat parallel to Western "lesbian" porn; idealised improbably > handsome gay men having sex, done with an almost exclusively heterosexual > female audience in mind, bearing little resemblance to the activities of > actual gay men. I suppose, to be the well-rounded voyeur, I certainly needed to know that, but are we really responsible in an English language (well, most of us get pretty close) newsgroup, for knowing what acronyms will be offensive in all possible languages? Even granted that from the OP's public name one might assume an ethnic origin in that octant of the planet and thus a deliberate attempt to offend? I think just a little live and let live should be practiced, even with boors. xanthian, unproficient in five languages; yes, you could offend me if you really, really tried, if it weren't for me being a retired sailor and thus by definition insult-proof by mere mortals. >> "yaoi" is a neat parallel to Western "lesbian" porn; idealised improbably >> handsome gay men having sex, done with an almost exclusively heterosexual >> female audience in mind, bearing little resemblance to the activities of >> actual gay men. However, I wouldn't considere it exactly offensive, just perhaps confusing to people who also hang out in alt.binaries.multimedia.anime. :) If course, the complement to yaoi, actual lesbian romance, but still mostly for a female audience, is called yuri. Fortunately, that's not a common nethack acronym, afaik. Nor do I predict many Eastern Europeans will be renaming their sons as a result. > > "yaoi" is a neat parallel to Western "lesbian" porn; idealised improbably > > handsome gay men having sex, done with an almost exclusively heterosexual [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > most of us get pretty close) newsgroup, for knowing what acronyms > will be offensive in all possible languages? Well, nethack appeals pretty much exclusively to geeks, and anime is quite popular among geeks. So there are probably a few people in the group who are familiar with the term "yaoi", even if like me they have (thankfully) never seen any. SignatureOne day she went out and did not come back. She must have been arrested in the street at that time. She vanished without a trace and probably died somewhere, forgotten as a nameless number on a list that afterwards got mislaid, in one of the innumerable mixed or women's concentration camps in the north. - Boris Pasternak > Well, nethack appeals pretty much exclusively to geeks, and anime is quite > popular among geeks. So there are probably a few people in the group who > are familiar with the term "yaoi", even if like me they have (thankfully) > never seen any. And yet I, with my huge collection of person fetish pornographic images, had never encountered the term (and I promise you, Japan has some tastes in really disgusting pornography that make that look tame and make most westerners look for someplace to upchuck), and am having trouble understanding how someone could be both so sophisticated as to know what it meant, and so tender skinned as to take offense on seeing it again. xanthian, no scholar of human foibles. > I suppose, to be the well-rounded voyeur, I certainly needed to know > that, but are we really responsible in an English language (well, > most of us get pretty close) newsgroup, for knowing what acronyms > will be offensive in all possible languages? No we're not. > Even granted that > from the OP's public name one might assume an ethnic origin in that > octant of the planet and thus a deliberate attempt to offend? Chinese is sufficiently different from Japanese; as is frogtounge from the King's English. And yet both are from the same "octant" of the "planet", whatever that's supposed to mean, duh hehe. > I > think just a little live and let live should be practiced, even with > boors. That's a great idea! If only you were more consistent. Consistency goes a long way, it even makes up for IQs less than 150. > xanthian, unproficient in five languages; yes, you could offend me if > you really, really tried, if it weren't for me being a retired sailor > and thus by definition insult-proof by mere mortals. your mother was a barnacle. -frl >>"yaoi" is a neat parallel to Western "lesbian" porn; idealised improbably >>handsome gay men having sex, done with an almost exclusively heterosexual [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >most of us get pretty close) newsgroup, for knowing what acronyms >will be offensive in all possible languages? I suspect the set of English speakers who know what yaoi is _and_ are offended by the very idea is quite small - and the hell with them, anyway. I certainly do not hesitate to use an acronym with a sexual meaning in English - BDSM. Hence I can't see anything wrong with using one that happens to be rude in Japanese. SignatureDavid Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Distortion Field! >"Haakon Studebaker" <heptapod@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>"Fu, Ren-Li" <frl8@rogers.com> wrote in news:NpStb.90269$Rah1.33557 >>>Please tell me how to set pettype on the tournament server. >>RTFM K TNX >No. Why don't you tell me instead? I'm failing to understand how it's our problem. I guess you have three options now; 1) be polite. 2) RTFM. 3) continue to play with pets and take -15 alignment hits. >Do you have some kind of disease which prevents you from understanding that >getting -15 to your alignment for killing your dog is illogical, even in a >fantasy world? It's a feature which should be removed. Just think: You could >kill seven coaligned priests and still not lose as much aslignment. That's not true, and it's not the only penalty either. SignatureDavid Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill the tomato! >> "Fu, Ren-Li" <frl8@rogers.com> wrote in news:NpStb.90269$Rah1.33557 >> @twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > should be removed. Just think: You could kill seven coaligned > priests and still not lose as much aslignment. Alas your claim that "You could kill seven coaligned priests and still not lose as much aslignment" as you failed to mention the -15 alignment hit that you get for killing any peaceful, including aligned priest. >> Do you have some kind of disease which prevents you from >> understanding that getting -15 to your alignment for killing your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > alignment hit that you get for killing any peaceful, including > aligned priest. Correction: Your actually penalized by malign for the monster that you kill. For peaceful aligned priests malign = 15, however, this isn't the case for all peacefuls. Fu, Ren-Li <frl8@rogers.com> deserves a cookie for saying: > "Seraphim" <gme6@cornell.edu> wrote in message >> You not forced to do any such thing. Try looking up "pettype" in the >> guidebook, pay particular attention to the "none" option. > Please tell me how to set pettype on the tournament server. In the .nethackrc editor, where you set every other option as well? Where you're given the choices of "cat", "dog", or "none"? SignatureBruce Labbate | Between the tall buildings shiftless layabout | Are snow-covered alleys. | Between us is nothing but grace. | - Kristin Hersh >In the .nethackrc editor, where you set every other option as well? >Where you're given the choices of "cat", "dog", or "none"? Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, is it possible to do this on the tournament server? The question was specific, and the responses seemed to miss the tournament server aspect. While you're at it, is it possible to enable QT and/or X11 on the tournament servers? Thanks james <fishbowl@conservatory.com> deserves a cookie for saying: >>In the .nethackrc editor, where you set every other option as well? >>Where you're given the choices of "cat", "dog", or "none"? > Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, is it possible to do this on the > tournament server? Yes. That's what my response was addressing, as that's what was asked. What was unclear about what I said? > The question was specific, and the responses seemed to miss the > tournament server aspect. He only got two responses to the question about the tournament server, one of which is mine and very specific and the other telling him to read the manual, which is also valid. Neither missed the tournament server aspect. > While you're at it, is it possible to enable QT and/or X11 on the > tournament servers? Not sure, but I highly doubt it. SignatureBruce Labbate | It's been so long shiftless layabout | I've lost my taste | Say angel come | Say lick my face. - PJ Harvey >> While you're at it, is it possible to enable QT and/or X11 on the >> tournament servers? >Not sure, but I highly doubt it. Something to think about for next year. It's really just a matter of "not disabling" it, than doing anything special. Ignoring the fact that it's been a royal pain to compile the program in the first place, that is. I don't think it's such a tall order. > james <fishbowl@conservatory.com> deserves a cookie for saying: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I don't think it's such a tall order. Even with compression and a program with a relatively simple display like Nethack's, I think the bandwidth requirements to tunnel X11 would be too much for most of the tournament servers (and apparently the lag from some is annoying enough already). They _might_ be able to get away with using something like TightVNC with JPEG compression, if you don't mind the compression artifacts... I think the noegnud team is working on a client-server implementation, so graphical games (i.e. noegnud's isometric interface or the QT interface) can be played over a network (even a slow one) without a need for forwarding X11, so that might be something to look into if/when it's ready... SignatureChris "Bob" Odorjan - bobnet@canada.com BobNET - http://www.oxford.net/~bobnet/ >>> While you're at it, is it possible to enable QT and/or X11 on the >>> tournament servers? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't think it's such a tall order. First, you'd have to use ssh to tunnel X. Second, wouldn't bandwith costs for sending out all those pixmaps over and over become prohibitive? >First, you'd have to use ssh to tunnel X. That's pretty much the default. >Second, wouldn't bandwith costs >for sending out all those pixmaps over and over become prohibitive? I don't know what constitutes prohibitive, but the X protocol is pretty expensive sure. Actually seems to work pretty well in practice. I've always assumed there was some sort of caching going on. Widgets and so on take forever the first time you draw them, and seem like a native app afterwards. > He only got two responses to the question about the tournament server, > one of which is mine and very specific and the other telling him to read > the manual, which is also valid. No, it was not an answer to my question, it was merely an answer - which is not specifically what I asked for. > Neither missed the tournament server aspect. Both did - both did not address the central concern - pets vs coaligned priests, and both didn't explain how to set pet type on the tournament server. The most ironic thing about this discussion is that since I was asking about how to set pettype:none, I've obviously RTM. Do you know how to set pickuptypes to "$"? -frl > > He only got two responses to the question about the tournament server, > > one of which is mine and very specific and the other telling him to read [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -frl Since you were asking about the tourney, RTM-ing includes checking out the tournament website. Which leads fairly directly to http://nethack.devnull.net/tournament/nethackrc.html which allows you to set pretty much any option you want. The first section is simple on/off options, which is followed by "Compound options". There you get: ... catname dogname horsename msghistory pettype *** disclose fruit menustyle msg_window number_pad packorder pickup_burden pickup_types *** ... Which obviously lets you set your pettype to none, and you can make pickup_types whatever you want. <sigh> -D. > Since you were asking about the tourney, RTM-ing includes checking out the > tournament website. Which leads fairly directly to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Which obviously lets you set your pettype to none, and you can make > pickup_types whatever you want. I already set pettype to none, but I couldnt find pickup types. I'll have another look for the compound options button you described. Thanks for being helpful :) -frl Fu, Ren-Li <frl8@rogers.com> deserves a cookie for saying: >> Neither missed the tournament server aspect. > Both did - both did not address the central concern - pets vs coaligned > priests, and both didn't explain how to set pet type on the tournament > server. What's so unclear about using the .nethackrc editor? That's where you set pettype on the tournament server. That's what I told you to do. SignatureBruce Labbate | Oh Adam please shiftless layabout | You must believe | That snake put it in front of me. | - PJ Harvey > Do you know how to set pickuptypes to "$"? If you don't, you should try pushing ? on a nethack game and reading commands instead of making so many rude and foolish answers rgrn > > He only got two responses to the question about the tournament server, > > one of which is mine and very specific and the other telling him to read [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > priests, and both didn't explain how to set pet type on the tournament > server. Search for a link named ".nethackrc Editor" in the tournament's page. -- SmileyByte > >In the .nethackrc editor, where you set every other option as well? > >Where you're given the choices of "cat", "dog", or "none"? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks While Bruce's answer (RTFM) is correct, so is the following answer: http://nethack.devnull.net/tournament/nethackrc.html > From some spoilers: > > -5 : Displacing your pet in such a manner as to cause it to become trapped > -15 : Displacing your pet in such a manner as to cause it to drown or die > -2 : Killing a co-aligned priest Your talking about alignment, just so everyone knows > I've always known this, and I've always resented the fact that I am forced > to play with a pet when choosing some of mt favourite characters. The > archaeologist being a prime example, indiana jones always left his dog at > home. Personally, I think it is part of the challange of the game. I would think that my characters would acquire a ring of slow digestion before wandering off into some hole in the ground where food would be scarce, but most of the characters rolled for me do not have one. Hunger and pets are part of the game, both can be beneficial and a hinderance. > But seeing it next to other things such as "killing a co-aligned priest" > really makes me want to speak up once again and say, why the hell does your > god care so much about that crappy dog who IS going to die anyways, that he > would rather see me kill seven of his priests than that little dog? Killing 7 priests would get you an alignment penalty of (at least) -49, because angering or killing in one blow will get you an additional penalty of -5 alignment. In testing, I found this to be much higher, though. After first angering the co-aligned priest in a cross-aligned temple in Minetown, and then killing him, my alignment is -22. In addition to alignment penalties from the species of the monster, there seems to be an alignment adjustment based off of the monster's alignment. Plus if you have divine protection, that's removed. Killing your pet by "accidental" drowning or flat out killing it is only an alignment penalty of -15. (Your luck and your god's anger are another thing). > Please remove that stupid "feature" from the game. Just abandon your pet. Like if Indiana Jones' dog started following him down to the first dungeon level, he'd make it stay there, not take it all the way back home. -Nick On forced having of pets: > Just abandon your pet. Like if Indiana Jones' dog started following him > down to the first dungeon level, he'd make it stay there, not take it all > the way back home. It seems like having a pet _is_ optional, since 3.4.0. I wouldn't have capitulated, had I been the DevTeam, but maybe that's because I have a love/hate relationship with my pets, not just a hate relationship. -Nick >It seems like having a pet _is_ optional, since 3.4.0. I wouldn't have >capitulated, had I been the DevTeam, but maybe that's because I have a >love/hate relationship with my pets, not just a hate relationship. I see pets as extremely useful, but I can see why the Dev Team might want to add an extra way for people to shoot themselves in the foot. SignatureDavid Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill the tomato! > From some spoilers: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > god care so much about that crappy dog who IS going to die anyways, that he > would rather see me kill seven of his priests than that little dog? In addition to that -2, there is a -15 penalty for killing any aligned priest (who was generated peaceful.) This is not in the spoilers; it should be. See <86smukgtw9.fsf@strackenz.spod-central.org> So killing a pet is about equally as bad as killing a priest. I presume that the reason for this is not that the DevTeam is striving for realism in this case, or that this is a reflection of their personal morality. Rather, being able to kill pets without penalty would be horribly exploitable. -Andrew |
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