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Game Forum / Action Games / Halo/Halo 2 / February 2006Halo 2 coming to PC --- Windows Vista only
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143976.html Halo 2 headed to PC Master Chief and fellow Space Marines say, "Hasta la Vista"; Microsoft Game Studios to develop Halo 2 for PC and its next-gen operating system. If PC users are having trouble deciding whether to move over to Windows Vista, Microsoft's next-generation operating system, when it is released later this year, the fact that the fate of the Earth depends on it may tip the scales. Microsoft Game Studios today announced that it is developing Halo 2 for the PC. The game will be only for Vista, and is being developed in partnership with the franchise's original developer, Bungie Studios. The PC version will include Halo 2, the bonus maps that came in the Multiplayer Map Pack, and the ability to "build, create, and customize their own multiplayer levels." No release date or other details have been announced. Last week, questions arose when Bungie revealed it was hiring PC programmers to help "work on the biggest franchises for Microsoft Game Studios." Many presumed that Bungie would be porting Halo 2 to the PC in house, unlike the PC version of Halo, which was developed by Brothers in Arms creator Gearbox Studios. Halo 2, now over a year old, is the best-selling Xbox game of all time. Bungie has not yet announced its next project. For more information on Halo 2, read GameSpot's full review of the Xbox version. By Tim Surette -- GameSpot Posted Feb 9, 2006 10:08 am PT ____________________________________________ more here http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Halo+2+PC&btnG=Sea rch+News So? Links 386 forced people to upgrade to 386 processors. Myst was the main reason a lot of people bought CD-ROMs. You're going to whine that Microsoft will force you to upgrade your OS to a better, newer one? I don't care. > http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143976.html > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > more here > http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Halo+2+PC&btnG=Sea rch+News > You're going to whine that Microsoft will force you to upgrade your OS to a > better, newer one? Exactly. The rumor I've been hearing is that Vista will include Media Center compatability so it's only natural to upgrade (at least if I want full media streaming capabilities to the 360.) Of course if that doesn't pan out then I can wait and see what happens... - Jordan >> You're going to whine that Microsoft will force you to upgrade your OS to >> a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Jordan I'm sure someone will come up with a patch/hack anyway. >Exactly. The rumor I've been hearing is that Vista will include Media >Center compatability so it's only natural to upgrade (at least if I >want full media streaming capabilities to the 360.) And Halo 2 needs that for... what? It is a freaking FPS game for a stupid console. We will see (and have already seen) much more advanced FPS games for Windows XP (heck, probably even Win98!) than Halo 2. > >Exactly. The rumor I've been hearing is that Vista will include Media > >Center compatability so it's only natural to upgrade (at least if I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stupid console. We will see (and have already seen) much more advanced > FPS games for Windows XP (heck, probably even Win98!) than Halo 2. hell, Thief 1, System Shock 2, Deux Ex all ran on Win98 and Halo2 doesn't come close to any of those Wurm In alt.games.video.xbox riku <riku@none.invalid.com> wrote: > And Halo 2 needs that for... what? It is a freaking FPS game for a > stupid console. We will see (and have already seen) much more advanced > FPS games for Windows XP (heck, probably even Win98!) than Halo 2. It's not what Halo2 needs. It's what Microsoft wants - and what Microsoft wants is lots of sales of Vista. After all, if you're already running a top-notch PC with XP-Pro, what exactly does Vista hold for you, other than a slightly different GUI? "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote> >After all, if you're already running a top-notch PC with >XP-Pro, what > exactly does Vista hold for you, other than a slightly >different GUI? As a Joe Soap user playing the odd game here and there? Maybe not a whole lot, most of those people would happily remain on Windows 98 Personally, I'd like the new development stuff, increased security and so on and yeah, the Aero eye candy. Also the new command line interface. What a lot of people don't know or forget about the Vista GUI is that you can easily turn it all off and make it look like XP. This thing has to run on servers don't forget, and you don't want all those bells and whistles hoovering up CPU cycles on a server. As for Halo ans why it's Vista-only, the issue also concerns Direct3D support - Vista uses a new graphics API called WGF. The primary interface is DirectX 9.0c, but it also has some next-gen support. If Halo is written using that, and Microsoft don't backport that into a DirectX 10 that will run on XP, then that's a reason why it will be a Vista-only title. http://spaces.msn.com/shevaspace/Blog/cns!1pHJ0V2VASg_CdcC34Org_SA!377.entry See that link for more advantages over XP. >As for Halo ans why it's Vista-only, the issue also concerns Direct3D >support - Vista uses a new graphics API called WGF. The primary interface is >DirectX 9.0c, but it also has some next-gen support. If Halo is written >using that, and Microsoft don't backport that into a DirectX 10 that will >run on XP, then that's a reason why it will be a Vista-only title. WGF has been dropped (at the marketing level), it's all DX10 now. As I posted previously DX10 will only support DX9 and below via software mode (i.e. slower) although there will apparently be a DX9 upgrade called DX9Ex which may be a step-up to allow XP/DX9 to utilise the enhanced shader levels that will be available in DX10. Because the features of DX10 seem to be integral to Vista it is likely DX10 will not be available for XP machines, hence MS wanting to get developers writing for Vista/DX10 and forcing people to upgrade to play new games.  SignatureAlfie <http://www.delphia.co.uk/> Disk Full - Press F1 to belch. Thank you, I was getting sick of everyone bashing Vista without even knowing what they were talking about. I'm not a heavy microsoft backer or anything, I just have heard some real good things about Vista and how they developed parts of it to help out gamers and make gaming easier and better, and basically looking forward to seeing what it could do. > "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > See that link for more advantages over XP. > As for Halo ans why it's Vista-only, the issue also concerns Direct3D > support - Vista uses a new graphics API called WGF. The primary interface > is I think all of that is just superficial. The real reason is DRM, a "hack for that" will not be coming shortly. >http://spaces.msn.com/shevaspace/Blog/cns!1pHJ0V2VASg_CdcC34Org_SA!377.entry > >See that link for more advantages over XP. I can't see a single one on that page. It is just a contrived money spinning solution looking for an imaginary problem. SignatureAndrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. "Andrew" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: >>http://spaces.msn.com/shevaspace/Blog/cns!1pHJ0V2VASg_CdcC34Org_SA!377.entry >> >>See that link for more advantages over XP. > > I can't see a single one on that page. It is just a contrived money > spinning solution looking for an imaginary problem. "One of the important features of WGF is the Longhorn Display Driver Model (LDDM). It is possible with LDDM to install a new graphics driver without even rebooting your system" So what? How often will that be a benefit? "Because of the competitive way of graphics hardware development, we'll probably see advanced LDDM capable hardware before Vista is released. The current Windows XP driver model is still supported, but will be frozen going forward." Oh great. They are freezing out existing HW & SW. "Advantages of Vista above XP: - run more than 15 graphical applications at the same time instead of 2" eh? You what? "- you are able to rotate your windows in a 3D way, so you can push it to the background, put it upside down or squeeze it in a corner. This way you'll be able to have more windows on your screen at the same time" I like to minimise them ... or use a multidesktop. " some of the BIOS settings can be changed within Windows and you won't even have to reboot to apply the new settings" Again, so what? "with XP, users got a lot of freedom to configure and tweak their system but Microsoft says that with Vista the 'more advanced' users will get the freedom to customize and tweak even more features of Windows that weren't possible in XP" Fanboyism is getting out of bounds here. " there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance" Hey, mean Chlorine, are you looking at this? No more "better" colours :) I wonde3r how they will do that? "If you want to play a game, Vista will disable every component of your computer that isn't needed by the graphical interface and unloads the Windows Desktop (it's like running a game in MSDOS)." So much for that "split window into 4" bullshit. "While it's true that the graphics technology for Vista is very advanced, it's also true that Microsoft is trying to have a wide array of hardware specifications. By the time Vista actually ships, almost every new PC should be able to support the user interface and Windows Graphics Foundation." Sounds like fud to me. "That doesn't mean users will need GeForce 6800 Ultras or comparable cards. As we've seen, the user interface will support four different qualities, the most basic should even run on most of today's hardware. If you want the full Vista experience, you'll want a heavy system and graphics hardware, and lots of memory." All fur coat and no knickers. As expected. Also, in fairness to Vista, it doesnt sound like this guy knew what he was talking about. Sounded like a lot of fanboy soundbites to me. SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed MS ditched WGF as the marketing name not long after the July announcement that people have referred to...along with backwards compatibility around September last year. http://news.softpedia.com/news/DirectX-10-and-so-it-ends-7762.shtml Sometime in November they made some mention of the fact that Vista/DX will specify the hardware requirement of stuff such as the GPU rather than the GPU exposing it's capabilities but I'm having trouble finding a link to the article I saw on an MS expo. In essence no more feature race between ATI/nVidia as DX will decide what features should be available, not sure how the GPU guys feel about that :) SignatureAlfie <http://www.delphia.co.uk/> When your budgie sees you reading the newspaper, does it wonder why you're sitting there staring at carpeting ? > So? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I don't care. I didn't actually see any whining................ >> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143976.html >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> more here >> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Halo+2+PC&btnG=Sea rch+News >> So? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I didn't actually see any whining................ Have you seen the Action NG? lol >So? > >Links 386 forced people to upgrade to 386 processors. Myst was the main >reason a lot of people bought CD-ROMs. That's because Links 386 wouldn't have been possible to develop on a 286 processor, or Myst wouldn't have really worked well from floppy disks. What is it in Vista that Halo 2, a freaking XBox game, would require? Nothing. This time, it is nothing more but a (Vista) marketing move, unlike with the two other examples. >You're going to whine that Microsoft will force you to upgrade your OS to a >better, newer one? It takes more than just Halo 2 to do that. But yes, it would be a good idea to complain about Microsoft using its monopoly leverage on desktop operating systems to force people to upgrade to new overpriced versions of Windows. >>So? >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > desktop operating systems to force people to upgrade to new overpriced > versions of Windows. You're right of course. It's just another MS ploy to get people to buy ANOTHER OS. Just like making you have MCE 2005 to be able to stream video to your XBox 360. THere is no technical reason one would have to have MCE 2005 to stream video, they just want you to spend the extra money to get that functionality. From what I understand the PS3 will be able to stream video, and golly gee, you won't even have to get a whole new OS to do it. "Robin" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-10, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: >>>So? >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that functionality. From what I understand the PS3 will be able to stream > video, and golly gee, you won't even have to get a whole new OS to do it. MS is a business : why should they give everything free? If you want free stuff then move to Linux - just dont expect to be gamingly challenged unless yet another openGL "pong" is enough to keep you amused. That aside, I tink it is a bit naff limiting Halo 2 to Vista. SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed In alt.games.video.xbox Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote: > MS is a business : why should they give everything free? If you want > free stuff then move to Linux - just dont expect to be gamingly > challenged unless yet another openGL "pong" is enough to keep you > amused. How is this giving something away for free? You'll still have to buy Halo2 regardless of what the OS requirements end up being... The last time a game *required* an upgraded OS was when going from DOS to Win95 - and that was easily justified. But forcing people to upgrade from XP-Pro to Vista? Show me what Vista does that XP-Pro *can't*. Reading Microsoft's press release, it really sounds like the only reason you have to upgrade is that Microsoft is forcing Halo2 to only use a version DirectX that says "OS=vista" in it. If that really is the only reason, you can bet people will quickly discover how to "fix" this bug of Microsoft's. ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action.] "Doug" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: > In alt.games.video.xbox Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > How is this giving something away for free? You'll still have to buy > Halo2 regardless of what the OS requirements end up being... I have no idea what you are talking about. I never said they are giving anything away for free. What I said was that MS are entitled to move people to purchase paths in order to make money. I dont agree with it in this case. There is no technical reason why Halo 2 shouldnt work on XP. > The last time a game *required* an upgraded OS was when going from DOS to > Win95 - and that was easily justified. I agree. > But forcing people to upgrade from XP-Pro to Vista? Show me what Vista > does that XP-Pro *can't*. Reading Microsoft's press release, it > really Its pretty much what I said. Are we arguiing? > sounds like the only reason you have to upgrade is that Microsoft is > forcing Halo2 to only use a version DirectX that says "OS=vista" in it. > If that really is the only reason, you can bet people will quickly > discover how to "fix" this bug of Microsoft's. Hmm, can I smell "class action suite" on its way :) ... SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed > "Robin" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering > mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-10, commmitted [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > MS is a business : why should they give everything free? What are they giving away for free? Assuming you purchased an XBox 360, and a PC with Windows and networking functions, you've already paid for the capabilities that are already there. They've just chosen to block those capabilities unless you get an upgraded OS. >If you want > free stuff then move to Linux - just dont expect to be gamingly > challenged unless yet another openGL "pong" is enough to keep you > amused. > > That aside, I tink it is a bit naff limiting Halo 2 to Vista. "Robin" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: >> "Robin" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering >> mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-10, commmitted [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > capabilities that are already there. They've just chosen to block those > capabilities unless you get an upgraded OS. They are not givng anything for free. Hence my question. >>If you want >> free stuff then move to Linux - just dont expect to be gamingly >> challenged unless yet another openGL "pong" is enough to keep you >> amused. >> >> That aside, I tink it is a bit naff limiting Halo 2 to Vista. SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed On 2/10/06 12:57 PM, in article 1j5Hf.2221$Ly6.476@bignews5.bellsouth.net, >>> So? >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that functionality. From what I understand the PS3 will be able to stream > video, and golly gee, you won't even have to get a whole new OS to do it. No, but you'll have to get a whole new PS3 :) > On 2/10/06 12:57 PM, in article 1j5Hf.2221$Ly6.476@bignews5.bellsouth.net, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > No, but you'll have to get a whole new PS3 :) True, but I already got a whole new 360 that has networking capabilities, and I have a few window's PC's with networking capabilities. But Sony is not going to make me pay EXTRA to unlock the capabilities that are already in the machine like MS does. > You're going to whine that Microsoft will force you to upgrade your OS to > a better, newer one? You're assuming that "newer" *means* "better", something not shown to be the case. SignatureDarryl L. Pierce <mcpierce@gmail.com> Homepage: http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ "McVeigh's lawyer got him the death penalty, which, quite frankly, I could have done." - Jon Stewart Quoth The Raven; Air Raid <AirRaidJet@gmail.com> in <1139511635.328418.258990@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143976.html > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Game Studios to develop Halo 2 for PC and its next-gen operating > system. actually it will be cracked in the night of release. from what I understand, so many original features of vista were delayed that vista its self would be no more than another service pack for XP pro, but released as a juiced up OS in its own right. SignatureRemove the _CURSEING to reply to me 'Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia' is the fear of long words. And you would be incorrect. Unless you're involved in the testing, you have no idea how advanced Vista will be. SignatureChris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone > actually it will be cracked in the night of release. from what I > understand, so many original features of vista were delayed that vista its > self would be no more than another service pack for XP pro, but released > as a juiced up OS in its own right. or how bloated and f.cked up Vista might be > And you would be incorrect. Unless you're involved in the testing, you > have no idea how advanced Vista will be. So sayeth a MS shill But if Halo 2 can run on an Xbox, it's pretty silly that MS is implying that you need something special in Vista to run it on a PC. If it were Halo 3, then perhaps they could say it with a straight face. But clearly this is nothing more than marketting. I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you really don't know what you're talking about. 8-) SignatureChris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone >> And you would be incorrect. Unless you're involved in the testing, you >> have no idea how advanced Vista will be. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Halo 3, then perhaps they could say it with a straight face. But clearly > this is nothing more than marketting. >I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using >glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you >really don't know what you're talking about. 8-) What does that have anything to do with a XBox-port FPS game running on it? Are you really telling us those Vista features are needed to run Halo 2 PC? What a stupid idea. >>I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using >>glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > on it? Are you really telling us those Vista features are needed to > run Halo 2 PC? What a stupid idea. "Needed"? Probably not. How about as a platform for hack-proof DRM? I don't think Vista is the final word on secure systems, but likely among the last of the test platforms. Halo2 is the carrot to draw motivated hackers with time (if little else) on their hands to give it one last, good thrashing. In alt.games.video.xbox Mike Young <boat042-spam@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Needed"? Probably not. How about as a platform for hack-proof DRM? I don't > think Vista is the final word on secure systems, but likely among the last > of the test platforms. Halo2 is the carrot to draw motivated hackers with > time (if little else) on their hands to give it one last, good thrashing. The only way to have a true unhackable system would be to release a totally sealed box that was as indestructible as possible and contained both the computer and the monitor. There would be no disk drives of any sort. All of the OS and software would be stored in solid state ROM. Speakers, keyboard, and touch-pad mouse would all be included in this sealed case. There would be no input ports for external devices of any sort. This system would not have any network access whatsoever. It would only have 1 user account with no root or admin priveleges. Essentially, it'd be like those little hand-held electronic games you see in toystores. Every DRM system has been cracked within days of its release - and oftentimes days BEFORE the release. "Chris"posted the following on 2006-02-10: > I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using > glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you > really don't know what you're talking about. 8-) A game is a game is a game. There are only so many "features" of an OS that a game can use : device interfaces to video, sound & controllers. Its a crock of sh.t designed by MS to encourage gamers to upgrade to yet another bloated version of windows. And, in addition, remember that Halo 2 "the game" is nothing new : its being ported from XBox. Signatureregards richard > I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using > glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC > Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Yes, yes, I know what will become of this reply, you'll probably just say that I'm another angry Mac user, but I'm really not. Have you compared the features of Vista to the latest Mac OS X release? I wouldn't proclaim them as something that would make it very innovative and new. I, for one, am still neutral on this topic, of Halo 2 on computers. It's really mainly a booster for sales, but who knows? Maybe most gamers will already have this on their Xboxes, or probably even bought an Xbox specifically for Halo 2 (like myself), and then got pretty mad that Microsoft is releasing it on their computer... I never said anything about Macs, however, since you mentioned it you might like this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=659868888687687821&q=mac+games 8-) SignatureChris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone >> I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using >> glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > an Xbox specifically for Halo 2 (like myself), and then got pretty mad > that Microsoft is releasing it on their computer... "Chris" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-10, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: > I never said anything about Macs, however, since you mentioned it you might > like this: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=659868888687687821&q=mac+games 8-) Has MS not provided something to stop outlook express top posting yet? use your contacts Chris - or google up quotefix. SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. Mohammed > "Chris" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering > mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-10, commmitted [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Has MS not provided something to stop outlook express top posting yet? > use your contacts Chris - or google up quotefix. I can bottom post, but choose not to do so. 8-) SignatureChris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone > "Chris" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering > mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-10, commmitted [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Has MS not provided something to stop outlook express top posting yet? A mouse. It's up to the user to provide the brain to figure out how to click below the existing text before starting to type. > I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using > glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you > really don't know what you're talking about. 8-) Vista is shite IMHO, XP service pack is the correct description. Glass/Aero are nothing new at all. dude come on.... its nothing but a marketing ploy to sell vista, FULLSTOP..... all I can say is good luck to em cause everyone has already upgraded to XP and will have no need for Vista. And for fruits sake, XP is not that god damn old, what the fruit could you possible need from Vista that XP doesn't provide. I havn't even seen Vista and don't plan on even installing it even if Santa gave it too me..... > I'm a gamer just like you are. Have you run Vista? Have you run using > glass/aero? Have you seen the features at all? If you haven't, then you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Halo 3, then perhaps they could say it with a straight face. But clearly >> this is nothing more than marketting. >dude come on.... its nothing but a marketing ploy to sell vista, >FULLSTOP..... all I can say is good luck to em cause everyone has already >upgraded to XP and will have no need for Vista. >And for fruits sake, XP is not that god damn old, what the fruit could you >possible need from Vista that XP doesn't provide. I havn't even seen Vista >and don't plan on even installing it even if Santa gave it too me..... I bet you said the same not long before XP was released. >I bet you said the same not long before XP was released. There were blatant problems with Win9x that 2000 and subsequently XP have fixed. There isn't a compelling reason to go for XP from what I have seen so far. SignatureAndrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. >There were blatant problems with Win9x that 2000 and subsequently XP >have fixed. There isn't a compelling reason to go for XP from what I >have seen so far. Tighter security? XP was released full of security holes. "Sean" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-12, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: >>There were blatant problems with Win9x that 2000 and subsequently XP >>have fixed. There isn't a compelling reason to go for XP from what I >>have seen so far. > > Tighter security? XP was released full of security holes. Cheaper & easier to stick a HW router in the way and disable javascript:) You can be sure that Vista will be like a sieve too : and if its not there will be enough people trying to poke holes in it quick enough:) Anyone know if its introduced a file based security level yet to protect core systems from script attacks? SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed In alt.games.video.xbox Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone know if its introduced a file based security level yet to > protect core systems from script attacks? What? That's crazy talk. That sort of technology would require some sort of UNIX system to make it work. ;) In alt.games.video.xbox Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote: > There were blatant problems with Win9x that 2000 and subsequently XP > have fixed. There isn't a compelling reason to go for XP from what I > have seen so far. Actually I prefer 2000 to XP. I have yet to crash 2000, whereas XP has gone down because it decides it no longer likes itself and commits suicide. The only reason XP seems to be getting better is because they stopped developing for 2000 - just as they're planning to do for XP once Vista comes out. The only OS's I haven't had crash on me (while just doing normal activities!) are Win2k, Linux 2.4, OS/2 and OS X (mainly because I've used it so little.) In the other cases, I wasn't doing anything unusual and oftentimes the OS crash was caused by a misbehaving user application - which shouldn't happen. Seriously, I've crashed every version of DOS, every version of Mac OS up to OS8, every version of Windows, a Linux 2.2 system(!) and even my university's mainframe. Oh sure, I have applications crash or die on me all the time, but if the OS is robust enough, it and the other applications will be unaffected by a misbehaving app. My dream OS would have the robustness of OS/2 the GUI of OSX and the hardware and software support of Win2k. I loved OS/2. That was one indestructible operating system. Some friends of mine were fiddling with it, and said it was running too slowly. When I took a look, they'd managed to fire off 6 separate instances of Wing Commander 2 - on a lowly 486dx-2 no less! The thing was slow, yet functional, and recovered after I killed the extra instances off. > But if Halo 2 can run on an Xbox, it's pretty silly that MS is implying that > you need something special in Vista to run it on a PC. If it were Halo 3, > then perhaps they could say it with a straight face. But clearly this is > nothing more than marketting. Jeremy FTW SignatureShinnokxz - http://www.coryhansen.com "I'm sorry. It's time for you to go." spoke the Gord. I really don't see why MS would bother porting Halo 2 to PC...except for one reason. XBOX Live. They probably plan on further integration of XBOX Live with the PC through the release of Vista.....to do so I suppose they think that porting an ancient mediocre game to the PC (Remember to PC users the Halo series is an average game at best) will get people to use their Live service on PC? (Remember, I'm speculating). This doesn't make any sense since all of the Halo 2 players will keep on using their XBOX's.....and for them, IMO the PC would be inferior for this task. They'd be bother off using new properties to enhance their online strategies for PC/XBOX. > > But if Halo 2 can run on an Xbox, it's pretty silly that MS is implying that > > you need something special in Vista to run it on a PC. If it were Halo 3, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Shinnokxz - http://www.coryhansen.com > "I'm sorry. It's time for you to go." spoke the Gord. >I really don't see why MS would bother porting Halo 2 to PC...except >for one reason. XBOX Live. No chance, PC gamers don't need it, and if PC gamers were allowed to play directly against Xbox users they would beat the crap out of them (due to control system) and that would instantly piss off their beloved console market. SignatureAndrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. In alt.games.video.xbox Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote: > >I really don't see why MS would bother porting Halo 2 to PC...except > >for one reason. XBOX Live. > No chance, PC gamers don't need it, and if PC gamers were allowed to > play directly against Xbox users they would beat the crap out of them > (due to control system) and that would instantly piss off their > beloved console market. I don't know. Something like Live for the PC might be interesting if only for the fact that you would have a single persistant interface for all of your online play. Also, given that 360's Live also throws in some simple arcade games, it's sort of a competitor to GameTap, only with a better socializing interface. It'll never happen, of course. For one thing, it'd totally destroy the one and only thing that could possibly make a Xbox superior to a PC. "Doug" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: > In alt.games.video.xbox Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > It'll never happen, of course. For one thing, it'd totally destroy the > one and only thing that could possibly make a Xbox superior to a PC. There is only one thing that is NOT superior in a 360 to a PC for gaming : lack of mouse & kbd control. Lets see: 1) TV out working 2) HDTV Ready 3) Great sound 4) Great gfx 5) Stable 6) No Patches I love PCs, but in no way is a PC better for "gaming". It is more "fun" maybe, but not "better" in any quantifiable arena that I can see : oh maybe the ability to play pirated games. As for all this "top end gaming rig" : sure, of course the video cards have more things to slow a game up , but really the XBox360 graphics are certainly "up there". SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed > I love PCs, but in no way is a PC better for "gaming". It is more > "fun" maybe, but not "better" in any quantifiable arena that I can see > : oh maybe the ability to play pirated games. Well that depends doesn't it. By my defintion the PC is better for gaming just because of the games you get for the PC vs. Console. I don't see Korsun Pocket appearing anytime soon on XBox 360 :-) "JAB" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: >> I love PCs, but in no way is a PC better for "gaming". It is more >> "fun" maybe, but not "better" in any quantifiable arena that I can see [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > gaming just because of the games you get for the PC vs. Console. I don't > see Korsun Pocket appearing anytime soon on XBox 360 :-) But thats more of a personal "qame type" though eh? Its not that the 360 cant play them! It looks kind of Linuxy ... :-;^pclamer couold get it :) SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed > "JAB" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering > mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It looks kind of Linuxy ... :-;^pclamer couold get it :) No reason it couldn't play them I just can't imagine the meeting where some exec. stood up and said "I think we need to produce more hex-based wargames for the XBox 360, what does everyone else think?." The technical specs look great but in the end it's the games that count. Have they got Mame on the XBox 360 yet? "JAB" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: >> "JAB" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering >> mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > The technical specs look great but in the end it's the games that count. > Have they got Mame on the XBox 360 yet? Have you seen http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/strategy/risk/ ? I was shocked. SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed > "JAB" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering > mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I was shocked. Bloody hell ... how many units did it sell, did it get into double figures? "JAB" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-11, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: > Bloody hell ... how many units did it sell, did it get into double figures? Youd be amazed : its like the Deer Hunter thing. Cult following : there really are people who like to play board games on the TV - no dice to lose I suppose. There was a follup I believe : Risk 2 - improved graphics. LOL. SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed In alt.games.video.xbox JAB <nochance@nohope.com> wrote: > Well that depends doesn't it. By my defintion the PC is better for > gaming just because of the games you get for the PC vs. Console. I don't > see Korsun Pocket appearing anytime soon on XBox 360 :-) That is the correct answer. So long as there are exclusive games worth playing, the platform is worth owning. > There is only one thing that is NOT superior in a 360 to a PC for > gaming : lack of mouse & kbd control. Yes. Isn't that enough? > Lets see: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 5) Stable > 6) No Patches The PC likewise has great sound and graphics. Or can have great sound and graphics. There wouldn't be any point discussing it otherwise. It comes down to the mouse versus the right thumbstick, and the mouse wins easily. It's enough of a barrier that I play Halo on the PC rather than H2 on the console. I don't see much point to the consoles. The control system is good for what it is, but still doesn't compare to specialized controllers on the PC. How surprising is that? The wheel and flight controllers alone, together, cost more than the 360. >> There is only one thing that is NOT superior in a 360 to a PC for >> gaming : lack of mouse & kbd control. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > PC. How surprising is that? The wheel and flight controllers alone, > together, cost more than the 360. Probably where this would help then... http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=82&products_id=5438 >> It comes down to the mouse versus the right thumbstick, and the mouse >> wins easily. It's enough of a barrier that I play Halo on the PC rather [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=82&products_id=5438 I would buy it in a heartbeat if it supports a mousewheel and one additional button. The trouble then would be rearranging the family room to support the mice. >> down to the mouse versus the right thumbstick, and the mouse wins easily. > > Probably where this would help then... > > http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=82&products_id=5438 Thinking some more on this... Does the XBox work with any HID compliant device? Can it be as simple as slapping an XBox breakaway pigtail on a USB keyboard+mouse cable? In alt.games.video.xbox Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote: > There is only one thing that is NOT superior in a 360 to a PC for > gaming : lack of mouse & kbd control. I believe Microsoft will allow you to use a keyboard/mouse on the 360? It may be on a game-by-game basis, similar to how the PS2 handles it, but I thought they were going to allow it... > Lets see: > 1) TV out working > 2) HDTV Ready The 360 is certainly better with regards to "plug & play" in this aspect. > 3) Great sound > 4) Great gfx You can still hook up your PC to your stereo/receiver just like the 360, or use a specialized speaker set. As for graphics, PCs still have the edge with higher resolutions. HDTV is a big step forward, but still not what most PC gamers run at. > 5) Stable > 6) No Patches "Stable" seems to be luck of the draw. The 360 definitely has some fan and heat issues. If your environment is just a bit too hot, the 360 will have problems and may refuse to even power on. "No patches" is also false. I've read an article that there is a patch planned for DOA4 which will be released via Live, similar to how the 360's Xbox1 emulator is being updated. If this becomes the norm with the 360, it'll basically mean there's no point in purchasing a game until the first patch has been released with customer feedback about what the patch actually does. Does anyone in the PC world even bother buying a new game before the first patch is released anymore? I remember you used to be able to buy a game from the store and expect it to work within 90% right out of the box. Nowadays, it seems like an utter crapshoot. "Doug" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-02-14, commmitted his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered: > In alt.games.video.xbox Walter Mitty <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You can still hook up your PC to your stereo/receiver just like the 360, > or use a specialized speaker set. I wasnt suggesting the xbox is "better" : its just about the same. > As for graphics, PCs still have the edge with higher resolutions. HDTV is > a big step forward, but still not what most PC gamers run at. True : but to what end? Personally I still think PS2 games on the TV look great. >> 5) Stable >> 6) No Patches > > "Stable" seems to be luck of the draw. The 360 definitely has some fan > and heat issues. If your environment is just a bit too hot, the 360 will > have problems and may refuse to even power on. Humbug. There have been some issues as one woudl expect in a worldwide release of millions of these things. Its more stable than most PCs for sure. > "No patches" is also false. I've read an article that there is a patch > planned for DOA4 which will be released via Live, similar to how the >360's "Less patches". > Xbox1 emulator is being updated. If this becomes the norm with the 360, > it'll basically mean there's no point in purchasing a game until the first [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > able to buy a game from the store and expect it to work within 90% right > out of the box. Nowadays, it seems like an utter crapshoot. I cant remember the PC game that wouldnt work out of the box : but maybe because I tend to be careful and probably check its "acceptable" to the masses. That and my PC is relatively stable and well maintained. SignatureTo overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil. -- Mohammed |
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