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- 01 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT
With the Covenant and humans basically joining sides in the end of Halo 2 will we be seeing them fight side by side in Halo 3?  The
brutes may turn out to be some sort of enemy but they no longer have a strong leader (but my guess is they could get another one.

I see it as more likely that the humans and Covenant will be fighting the artifical life forms such as sentinals and possibly the
flood as well.  I think the forerunners tried to use the flood and robots to,in a sense store, their character and knowledge.
However it didn't work all that well as the flood was to strong.

Anyway who knows what we will see as with all Halo things being vague is the key to success :)
Darryl L. Pierce - 02 Dec 2005 00:46 GMT
> With the Covenant and humans basically joining sides in the end of
> Halo 2 will we be seeing them fight side by side in Halo 3?

[pedantic mode::: on]

What Halo 2 were you playing? My Halo 2 ended with the Arbiter and
Master Chief being forced to cooperate by Gravemind. But, the Arbiter
wasn't representing the Covenant: he was sent on a suicide mission by
the Prophets. And even though Johnson and the humans helped the Arbiter
with the sangheili to take down Tartarus, I don't think the Covenant
(which has pretty much downgraded the sangheili to the level of the
unggoy) are joining the humans. The core of the game is the struggle of
the humans against the Covenant.

[pedantic mode::: off]

I'm more interested in finding out what the Ark is and whether or not
humans are related to the Forerunners or not.

:)

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- 03 Dec 2005 06:12 GMT
>> With the Covenant and humans basically joining sides in the end of Halo 2 will we be seeing them fight side by side in Halo 3?
>
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> the Covenant (which has pretty much downgraded the sangheili to the level of the unggoy) are joining the humans. The core of the
> game is the struggle of the humans against the Covenant.

Still I can't help thinking the humans got a few merit points for helping the Arbiter take down the brute leader and also basically
helping save the universe.  The Covenant may still hate humans but they can't help but show a little respect now.

> [pedantic mode::: off]
>
> I'm more interested in finding out what the Ark is and whether or not humans are related to the Forerunners or not.

This is a good point to ponder.

> :)
Darryl L. Pierce - 03 Dec 2005 15:36 GMT
> Still I can't help thinking the humans got a few merit points for helping the Arbiter take down the brute leader and also basically
> helping save the universe.  The Covenant may still hate humans but they can't help but show a little respect now.

Except that the Brute are the selected protectors of the Prophets. So,
by attacking them they performed an act of treason against the Prophets,
and therefore against the Covenant. I think it more likely that the
Arbiter and his soldiers might join with the humans, and possibly also
the Heretic Leader, against the rest of the Covenant.

>>[pedantic mode::: off]
>>
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>
>>:)

After all, doesn't 343 Guilty Spark constantly refer to the Master Chief
as "The Reclaimer", as if he were some specific figure expected by him?
I don't remember off-hand if 2401 Penitent Tangent referred to him in
the same way or not, though...time to replay campaign mode. :D

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- 18 Dec 2005 02:56 GMT
>> Still I can't help thinking the humans got a few merit points for helping the Arbiter take down the brute leader and also
>> basically helping save the universe.  The Covenant may still hate humans but they can't help but show a little respect now.
>
> Except that the Brute are the selected protectors of the Prophets. So, by attacking them they performed an act of treason against
> the Prophets, and therefore against the Covenant. I think it more likely that the Arbiter and his soldiers might join with the
> humans, and possibly also the Heretic Leader, against the rest of the Covenant.

Agreed ...

>>>[pedantic mode::: off]
>>>
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> expected by him? I don't remember off-hand if 2401 Penitent Tangent referred to him in the same way or not, though...time to
> replay campaign mode. :D

He did.

and Guilty spark also referred to the daughter of Captian Keys (whatever her name is) as a reclaimer by saying "Careful this
reclaimer is delicate" whent he brutes tried to force her to use the index.  This might indicate all humans are seen as reclaimers.

There were many other comments here and there that indicate a strong indication that humans at least were known by the Forerunners
and possibly even assigned a specific purpose (if that makes sense :p).

for example;

In the original Halo when the Chief is about to use the index (in the control room place) and he hesitates.  Guilty Spark says
something like "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done."  and "You once asked me that if I was in your place what
would I do, my answer has not changed there is no choice" and so on.  This indicates that Guilty spark is thinking of the Chief and
the being who activated Halo before as being the same.  This may mean that they may be the same race.

anyway it is food for thought let just hope Halo 3 answers a few questions.
Darryl L. Pierce - 18 Dec 2005 15:03 GMT
V wrote:

> and Guilty spark also referred to the daughter of Captian Keys (whatever
> her name is) as a reclaimer by saying "Careful this
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> the being who activated Halo before as being the same.  This may mean that
> they may be the same race.

*OR*

It may mean that the original activation of Halo was done by the Master
Chief in the past; i.e., at some point that hasn't unfolded in the game to
us he is sent back in time and, for whatever reason, is forced to activate
Halo original. ;)

The way I see this possibly going is the Earth forces *and* the separatist
Covenant forces (Arbiter, Heretic Leader and their loyalists) go back in
time to destroy Halo or at least destroy the Flood. Something goes wrong
and, by way of causality, start the whole process that leads up the the
original Halo, perhaps including the xenophobia of the various species in
the Covenant. Then they would all spring back to the point in future where
they went back and use some knowledge gained to shut down another Halo.

Though this last bit is sounding more and more like Bill and Ted... :)

> anyway it is food for thought let just hope Halo 3 answers a few
> questions.

Sadly, I won't be seeing Halo 3 for a few years: I'm not going to spend $400
for a gaming system. When they come down significantly in price I'll spring
for one (maybe at the $200 or $250 mark). And I would love to know if
Bungie has anybody skimming here looking for outside ideas. That would be
awesome if something we mention here gets included in a future edition or
even in a paperback. :D

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- 01 Jan 2006 07:13 GMT
>V wrote:
>
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> awesome if something we mention here gets included in a future edition or
> even in a paperback. :D

Well ok a bit of a long reply but alas I have a lot to say *joking*...  (Yeah I know,,, I yap on a bit but what the heck it never
hurt anyone to make a long post :p well ok never hurts to much :pp)

Ok this is as far as I figure.  There are quite a few points to consider but the Halo story is slowly starting to make sense.

We know a few facts;

1- The monitor type droids such as Guilty Spark and that 2401 Penitent Tangent (the one the grave mind had) see humans as
reclaimers.  Particularly humans that have the index.  The Arbiter did have the index at some time though he was not referred to as
a reclaimer by the 2402 droid (monitor of station 05).  When the Brutes had the index they needed to have a human activate Halo.
The Brutes could not simply use the index themselves.

1a- Guilty Spark (and possibly the other monitors) seem to see humans as having activated Halo in the past.  They make several
references to past activities.

2- The Covenant have always hate humans since time remembered.  While the Covenant hate humans they have not attacked Earth.  It was
thought this was due to the Covenant not knowing where Earth was.  However the end of Halo 2 implies that the Prophets may have
known and even possibly protected Earth.

2a- A big question is why do the Covenant hate humans so much. I think it is possible that the Covenent were also present when Halo
was last activated.  Possibly some Covenant (likely including elites and Prophets) were in the Ark at the time.  The Covenant might
not have wanted humans to activate Halo.  However Halo was activated and initially the Covenant would have hated humans for
destroying almost all sentiant life except that which survived on the ark (possibly Earth).  Eventually over time the entire story
was forgotten but the Covenant knew of humans as creatures to be despised.  This also begs the question of if some of the Covenant
knowing the location of Earth.  It is likely that many forgot the location over time.  However some Prophets may have still
remembered as they would have access to many records that common Covenant do not (and possibly the Prophets hid this knowledge).

3- There was one surviving Forerunner ship located within the city/base of High Charity.  This is possibly the Forerunner ship that
the original surviving Covenant used to leave the Ark.  As time went on the true nature was forgotten and this vessell was merely
seen as a holy icon.  In fact the ship became the very center of the Covenant life.  Being the primary source of power and possibly
knowledge.

3a- When the Prophets learn that the index is found and activation of Halo is imminent they try to use the Forerunners ship in the
hope of getting to the Ark.  The oracle tells us that the Ark is a place outside the kill zone of the Halo rings.  The Profit of
Truth is the only Prophet to make it to the ship.  The Master Chief makes on board as well.  The ship travels to Earth.  This
implies that the Ark is either on Earth and/or more likely is Earth itself.  There would need to be a control room but it is likely
that the entire Earth is the Ark.  Hence a place where life can begin again after a Halo activation.

4- Meanwhile the Flood now control what is left of High Charity.  With the Forerunner ship being removed High Charity has lost its
primary hyperdrive engine and power source.  However there is a Hyperdrive on board the Ember Clad that has been left on High
Charity.  Will the flood use the hyper drive technology to travel around?

4a- Cortana has been left on board High Charity.  We see a final scene where the Gravemind is about to question Cortana.  Will she
spill the beans and tell all allowing the flood to reach Earth?  Alternatively will Cortana overload Ember Clad's reactors?  At the
moment she would prefer not to do this as it would destroy herself and she is hoping the Master Chief will return for her.

4b- (Personal Opion).  The gravemind is very curious about what is happening.  It has possibly survived since the last activation
hence knows that the Halo's true purpose may not be to eliminate the flood.  I think there is something more to the fact that the
flood have the ability to live beyond death than meets the eye.  Maybe the forerunners were tampering with eternal life and messed
something up.  Hence creating their own demise.

5-The Covenant is now split.  Some races (such as the elite, grunts and hunters) have gone against other races such as the Brutes,
Buggers and Jackals.  Due to the assistance given by Sargeant Johnson, Mirandah Keys and the Arbiter the Elites may ally with humans
in the future.

6- (more opinion) How did Sargeant Johnson get off Halo before it was destroyed.  Well that is a good question.  Hmmmm.  I think he
found a way to use that teleportation system to transfer himself to either another ship or, more likely, Earth.  However how he
would get the energy required to do this is anyones guess.  Possibly he used some of the nergy from the blast or simply used the
last remaining energy in one big jolt.  Remember the Monitor made it to another Halo without any problem.  So it is possible there
is a Teleportation system capable of long range jumps. Who knows.  ***Shrug***

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Anyway that is about the jist of it all.  I hope it at least makes half sense *grin*.  There is a lot of things happening in the
game and it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.  Anyway it seems we will have to wait a while for Halo 3 as it is not
expected to come out before the release of the PS3 (not to long away, but not to short either :p).

As for the Halo movie well it seems it will happen eventually.  Apparently Bungie and what not are making deals with Hollywood
pretty much as we speak.  The main concern is not to make just another Hollywood version of some sci-fi movie that is only pumped
out to make money.  The real issue is to actually make a good movie that is true to the Halo universe and style.

Well I hope you are having a good holiday :)
- 01 Jan 2006 14:09 GMT
>V wrote:
>
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> awesome if something we mention here gets included in a future edition or
> even in a paperback. :D

Well here you go this is how Seargant Johnson survived (I just found this now).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_characters#Sergeant_Johnson

Basically he got on board a Pelikan and was able to survive in some Halo debri until he was piccked up by the Master Chief and
Cortana.
 
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