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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / January 2004OT: Something I've been wondering...
Most games these days come in standardised packaging. This is true of games for the XBox, PS2, Gamecube and PC, and they usually have a standard logo indicating the format in the top left-hand corner of the front cover. My question is this: who decided what the standard logo would be for PC games? (Yes, this is the sad kind of thing I spend my time pondering) -- Paul > Most games these days come in standardised packaging. This is true > of games for the XBox, PS2, Gamecube and PC, and they usually have a > standard logo indicating the format in the top left-hand corner of > the front cover. My question is this: who decided what the standard > logo would be for PC games? Might be the same bunch of nerds that decided to call the pc a pc (Personal Computer) > (Yes, this is the sad kind of thing I spend my time pondering) A fetish perhaps? - Peter > Might be the same bunch of nerds that decided to call the pc a pc (Personal > Computer) I thought that was an IBM'ism? .. Since I believe it's still correct to describe all "PCs" as IBM PC clones .. so it was probably some corporate honcho at IBM who thought up the name :) > > (Yes, this is the sad kind of thing I spend my time pondering) > > A fetish perhaps? Or maybe just a hobby.. -- Ben Cottrell AKA Bench "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 > Most games these days come in standardised packaging. This is true of games for > the XBox, PS2, Gamecube and PC, and they usually have a standard logo indicating > the format in the top left-hand corner of the front cover. My question is this: > who decided what the standard logo would be for PC games? Might have been just one of those things that someone started doing.. and everyone else just thought "that's a good idea - let's do it like that" .. in fact, it doesn't look to be completely standard.... my "budget" version of Half-life has the logo in a different font :-P .... and Halo has a totally different logo (but maybe that's M$ just trying to be different) > (Yes, this is the sad kind of thing I spend my time pondering) Is it also sad, the fact that I am answering? -- Ben Cottrell AKA Bench "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 > Might have been just one of those things that someone started doing.. > and everyone else just thought "that's a good idea - let's do it like > that" .. in fact, it doesn't look to be completely standard.... my > "budget" version of Half-life has the logo in a different font :-P .... Actually, my budget Rowan's Battle of Britain is different too, but 14 other DVD cases within arm's reach have "PC CD-ROM" in the same font in the same rectangle with a rounded corner, despite being from different publishers. > and Halo has a totally different logo (but maybe that's M$ just trying > to be different) Ahh, the exception that proves the rule! I did say "usually", but an awful lot of them are the same. I can see that it's a good idea to standardise them, but who decided? > Is it also sad, the fact that I am answering? Of course :) -- Paul > Actually, my budget Rowan's Battle of Britain is different too, but 14 other DVD > cases within arm's reach have "PC CD-ROM" in the same font in the same rectangle > with a rounded corner, despite being from different publishers. I just checked my White label version of Commandos behind enemy lines, and that has a different logo too :-) > > and Halo has a totally different logo (but maybe that's M$ just trying > > to be different) > > Ahh, the exception that proves the rule! I did say "usually", but an awful lot > of them are the same. I can see that it's a good idea to standardise them, but > who decided? Who knows? ... I suspect that there's probably some sort of industry standards organisation (ISO??) who invents these conventions ... maybe the same people who invented the DVD and compact disc logos, to make it easier for everyone > > Is it also sad, the fact that I am answering? > > Of course :) That's OK then :) -- Ben Cottrell AKA Bench "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 > Ahh, the exception that proves the rule! Surely an exception disproves a rule....? ___ Neil AKA HighVis > Surely an exception disproves a rule....? Ah yes, that well-known saying. -- Paul Since this thread was (at least vaguely) about game packaging, you might find this nostalgic article amusing, http://www.armchairarcade.com/aamain/article.php?20.0 if you want to skip directly to the gallery pages, go here, http://www.armchairarcade.com/aamain/article.php?20.6 I still have an old metal medallion from one of the Ultimas. I punched a hole in it and put it on a keyholder. ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://hemsida.semera.se/xav2557 "Beware the past. Fight the present. Fear the future." Anders Simonsson proclaimed... > Since this thread was (at least vaguely) about game packaging, you > might find this nostalgic article amusing, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I still have an old metal medallion from one of the Ultimas. I punched > a hole in it and put it on a keyholder. Why do I get the impression that you're a very old geek that needs to be told what sex, drugs, drink and debauchery is?  Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesnet.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" > Anders Simonsson proclaimed... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Why do I get the impression that you're a very old geek that needs to be > told what sex, drugs, drink and debauchery is? Oh that's what you think of your elders now is it?! He's probably been thru the sex, drugs, drink and debauchery phase at least twice....and THEN you were born! Pah! Youth is wasted on the young! ;) McG. > -- > www.stri.tk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until > he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" >Why do I get the impression that you're a very old geek I don't know. Because you know me? >that needs to be told what sex, drugs, drink and debauchery is? Oh, I know what it is. It's just that our Master don't allow that stuff here at the monastery or maybe he just keeps it to himself... BTW, the Far Cry demo (just released) is very sweet, if you have the rig to run it (which I do). Tactial gameplay meets the Isle of Dr Moraeu. Very nice and awfully pretty water and shadows. ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://hemsida.semera.se/xav2557 "Beware the past. Fight the present. Fear the future." Anders Simonsson proclaimed... > I don't know. Because you know me? I do? /me blushes > BTW, the Far Cry demo (just released) is very sweet, if you have the > rig to run it (which I do). Tactial gameplay meets the Isle of Dr > Moraeu. Very nice and awfully pretty water and shadows. I've downloaded it. I'll try it later but first I need 1.5k so I can buy that damned spell. Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesnet.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" > BTW, the Far Cry demo (just released) is very sweet, if you have the > rig to run it (which I do). Tactial gameplay meets the Isle of Dr > Moraeu. Very nice and awfully pretty water and shadows. Looks really purty, but the system requirements are starting to worry me re: HL2.... I've got a 9800 and an XP2200 chip, and I can't get more than single figure frame rates at 1024x768. When combat starts, even 800x600 turns into a slide show... :( Only thing I can think of to boost performance is more memory. Hope that's it... I'm also hoping the dialogue gets more varied in the full game... the soldiers on the dock at the start have about five conversations maximum, and they repeat them over and over. And the water's the wrong scale.. it feels like a bath rather than the ocean. Apart from that, I think it's very, very impressive. Driving the jeep is a blast, and the sniper rifle is beautiful. Stealth only seems to get me so far, but there again, nothing says 'great game' like a silenced P90 at close range... :D Body armour seems to actually work, so the old CS 'let the bullet-stream wander up to the head' trick is not only useful, it's damn near essential. Great stuff. ___ Neil AKA HighVis Far Cry run smooth as a cats a.s for me nad I have a 9800 too... Perhaps it is memory because you notice it takes forever for the game to load... I have 1 gig of DDR3200..... How the hell do you get out of the boat without having one of the thugs blow it up???? >> BTW, the Far Cry demo (just released) is very sweet, if you have the >> rig to run it (which I do). Tactial gameplay meets the Isle of Dr [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Neil >AKA HighVis >Far Cry run smooth as a cats a.s for me nad I have a 9800 too... >Perhaps it is memory because you notice it takes forever for the game >to load... I have 1 gig of DDR3200..... How the hell do you get out of >the boat without having one of the thugs blow it up???? Just press the Use key again and jump out. ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://hemsida.semera.se/xav2557 "Beware the past. Fight the present. Fear the future." HeHe... Yeah, thanks... I DL it drunk, installed it drunk, tried to play it drunk and posted the question drunk... I saw this morning that the F key, not the space bar was the "use" button.... On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:02:52 +0000, Anders Simpleton <******@semera.se> wrote: >>Far Cry run smooth as a cats a.s for me nad I have a 9800 too... >>Perhaps it is memory because you notice it takes forever for the game [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >"Beware the past. Fight the present. Fear the future." > HeHe... Yeah, thanks... I DL it drunk, installed it drunk, tried to > play it drunk and posted the question drunk... I saw this morning that > the F key, not the space bar was the "use" button.... LOL I hit the "E" a couple of times swearing like hell as I thought I had got stuck in the boat Looked at the control settings and did a restart - oh well - Peter > Far Cry run smooth as a cats a.s for me nad I have a 9800 too... > Perhaps it is memory because you notice it takes forever for the game > to load... I have 1 gig of DDR3200..... How the hell do you get out of > the boat without having one of the thugs blow it up???? Head straight for the bushes, then USE to jump out... then a bit of swimming, sneaking etc.... :) Yeah, reading Strider's post as well I've got to think it's a memory thing. Good. Was starting to get worried, but memory is fixable. Hmmm... just noticed... exactly how smooth *is* a cat's a.s, CF? ___ Neil AKA HighVis That should have been "Slicker'n a cats a.s..." That will ring true to you... :) >Hmmm... just noticed... exactly how smooth *is* a cat's a.s, CF? > >___ >Neil >AKA HighVis Ok guys.... I've planted the det charge on the fuel tank.... I set it and high-tail it at sprint speed like Jesus with 5 angry Santas on his a.s... The charge always goes of too soon and kills me... What's the secret??? I have even turned my back to the tank before setting it off so I could get a head start... >> Far Cry run smooth as a cats a.s for me nad I have a 9800 too... >> Perhaps it is memory because you notice it takes forever for the game [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Neil >AKA HighVis > Ok guys.... I've planted the det charge on the fuel tank.... I set it > and high-tail it at sprint speed like Jesus with 5 angry Santas on his > a.s... The charge always goes of too soon and kills me... What's the > secret??? I have even turned my back to the tank before setting it off > so I could get a head start... SPOILER Are you running back down the corridor you came in through, or the new corridor that heads directly away from the fuel tanks (I think it's got a red lighting system, or a glow)? I did it first time, and even though the explosions ran through the gas pipes next to me as I was nearing the end, I still got the cut scene as the explosion burst out of the end of the tunnel. I've just gone back and tried it again, and so long as you start running as soon as you get a chance, and keep on running, you make it. If you stop in the tunnel, the explosion travels past you, and you die. Cheers Neil >> Ok guys.... I've planted the det charge on the fuel tank.... I set it >> and high-tail it at sprint speed like Jesus with 5 angry Santas on his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >SPOILER The new corridor... I've tried it 50 times and get blown up about 10 feet short of the door... I used the W-Z which is sprint but I slow down about 30 feet from the exit... Too many cigarettes I guess.... The controls look like the shift toggles run but it doesn't seem to work.... :( >Are you running back down the corridor you came in through, or the new >corridor that heads directly away from the fuel tanks (I think it's got [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Neil > >> Ok guys.... I've planted the det charge on the fuel tank.... I set it > >> and high-tail it at sprint speed like Jesus with 5 angry Santas on his [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The controls look like the shift toggles run but it doesn't seem to > work.... :( Well there you go then.. I didn't even realise there was a sprint button. I just head for the new corridor, and keep the forward key held down. You've got no chance whatsoever of actually getting to the end before the fire catches you - why would they program those pretty gas pipe explosions if you could? :) However, the only way I can make it kill me is if I stop running. Otherwise the explosion just sort of happens next to me, then I get a cut scene showing the outside, with the explosion bursting out, the radar dish collapsing, and then the 'end of demo sales pitch' screen. Incidentally, have you noticed the bullet-proof qualities of leaves on this island. Crouching in a bush, with a goon about two feet in front of me, I cut loose with a P90 into his face. Fortunately for him there are two leaves in between us, which not only catch every bullet but also absorb all sound, so he doesn't even hear me. It's obviously what the whole evil experiment is all about - kevlar bushes. ___ Neil AKA HighVis Neil Jones proclaimed... > It's obviously what > the whole evil experiment is all about - kevlar bushes. Heh. Unique! I think I smoked some kevlar bush the other day. Harsh. Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesnet.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" >> >SPOILER Ah... So that's the end of the demo... I must have found a short cut then... The whole demo lasted about 1/2 hour and I saw no jeeps, gliders or anything else I saw mentioned on their web site nor did I need to swim at anytime... Need to go do it again I guess.... Thanx...... >> The new corridor... I've tried it 50 times and get blown up about 10 >> feet short of the door... I used the W-Z which is sprint but I slow [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Neil >AKA HighVis > >> >SPOILER > >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > need to swim at anytime... Need to go do it again I guess.... > Thanx...... Well, if you will kill everything in sight... If you do fancy a bit of sneaking, you can swim around the group of soldiers at the next dock along, and then come back behind them. They've got a nice jeep just waiting to take you up the trail.... ___ Neil AKA HighVis >Ok guys.... I've planted the det charge on the fuel tank.... I set it >and high-tail it at sprint speed like Jesus with 5 angry Santas on his >a.s... The charge always goes of too soon and kills me... What's the >secret??? I have even turned my back to the tank before setting it off >so I could get a head start... Imagine the Santas have shotguns.... Civilian_Target Neil Jones proclaimed... > Looks really purty, but the system requirements are starting to worry > me re: HL2.... I've got a 9800 and an XP2200 chip, and I can't get more > than single figure frame rates at 1024x768. When combat starts, even > 800x600 turns into a slide show... :( Only thing I can think of to > boost performance is more memory. Hope that's it... It ran fine for me. Was running it at 1024*768 also. With this rig: System Info: OS (Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 1 (5.1 - 2600) Uptime: 5d 21h 30m 16s Record: 1w 2d 12h 33m 50s) mIRC (Version: 6.12 Uptime: 5d 21h 26m 13s Record: 5d 21h 26m 13s) MEM ([|||-------] Usage: 490/1536mb (31.90%)) CPU (1-AMD , 2166MHz, 256KB (100% Load)) Grafx (NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 1280x1024 32bit 100Hz) I'm not at all worried about Half-life2 because first was very scaleable. When a started playing StarWars Galaxies which requires a bit install I found the upgrade in memory made all the difference. > I'm also hoping the dialogue gets more varied in the full game... the > soldiers on the dock at the start have about five conversations > maximum, and they repeat them over and over. And the water's the wrong > scale.. it feels like a bath rather than the ocean. The dialogue was a bit pants. But I did like the enemy AI. > Apart from that, I think it's very, very impressive. Driving the jeep > is a blast, and the sniper rifle is beautiful. Stealth only seems to > get me so far, but there again, nothing says 'great game' like a > silenced P90 at close range... :D Body armour seems to actually work, > so the old CS 'let the bullet-stream wander up to the head' trick is > not only useful, it's damn near essential. Great stuff. Strangely, I got bored shortly after I got off the boat. I'm not sure if this thinks its a sneak-em-up or a shoot-em-up. We'll see when the full game comes out I guess. Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesnet.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" > BTW, the Far Cry demo (just released) is very sweet, if you have the > rig to run it (which I do). Tactial gameplay meets the Isle of Dr > Moraeu. Very nice and awfully pretty water and shadows. For a demo that's just released, this FarCry is damn hard to get hold of!! :-( I tried 3 different download sites from the official Farcry site.. Jolt UK just kept going in a recurring loop of webpages.... The Multiplay UK link didn't even exist... and the 3DGamers link came down as a corrupted download (Which was rather irritating after waiting for 3 hours with it in the background) ... does anyone have a working link to the damn thing? -- Ben Cottrell AKA Bench "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 Ben Cottrell proclaimed... > For a demo that's just released, this FarCry is damn hard to get hold > of!! :-( [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in the background) ... does anyone have a working link to the damn > thing? I just got it off bittorrent with Azereus. Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesnet.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" Got my copy from 3D Games, the Indiana mirror.. Worked fine and loaded in 55 minutes... On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:23:47 +0000, Ben Cornball <bench@bench333.screaming.net> wrote: >> BTW, the Far Cry demo (just released) is very sweet, if you have the >> rig to run it (which I do). Tactial gameplay meets the Isle of Dr [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >in the background) ... does anyone have a working link to the damn >thing? > Got my copy from 3D Games, the Indiana mirror.. Worked fine and loaded > in 55 minutes... Snap! But for some reason When it finished downloading, the filesize was 446MB rather than 503! oh well, better try again -- Ben Cottrell AKA Bench "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 >For a demo that's just released, this FarCry is damn hard to get hold >of!! :-( It's on FilePlanet http://www.fileplanet.com/download.aspx?f=135957 SignatureWilliam Smith ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com > > Surely an exception disproves a rule....? > > Ah yes, that well-known saying. Well, if it's well-known, it must be true... ;) ___ Neil AKA HighVis "people should not be allowed to publish news papers if they can't get their facts right" Alastair Grant, AGHL Neil Jones proclaimed... > Well, if it's well-known, it must be true... > > ;) God you taffies narf talk a load of sh.t. Get a subject ffs! Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesnet.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" > God you taffies narf talk a load of sh.t. Get a subject ffs! Ahh, you make me so glad I came back. -- Paul > > God you taffies narf talk a load of sh.t. Get a subject ffs! > > Ahh, you make me so glad I came back. I thought you only came back for those "I thought I could live without AGHL - *sob* I was wrong" points :) -- Ben Cottrell AKA Bench "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 > > God you taffies narf talk a load of sh.t. Get a subject ffs! > > Ahh, you make me so glad I came back. It's not a problem - just say it to yourself in a comic geordie accent, and realise this NG is just a Channel 4 testing ground for pilot ideas for new comedy series. After 'Shameless', they're looking at setting the next on a council estate in Whitley Bay... Now, you've just got to work out whether the 'ffs' is pronounced like a punctured ball going down, or is just an abbreviation... ___ Neil AKA HighVis > Whitley Bay Brrr. I don't want to *go* to Whitley Bay, let alone watch anything about it. Are we going for gritty realism or suburban life? If we're going for gritty realism, try Cullercoats. It's officially worse than Middlesborough. Cullercoats: A True Story. Starring Pete Mortimer the hippy drug dealer, the insane woman, the weird backalleys, the horrible gardens, the shuttered windows looking onto brick walls... Must. Purge. Brain. > Now, you've just got to work out whether the 'ffs' is pronounced like a > punctured ball going down, or is just an abbreviation... It has to be punctured ball, really. And for true comic accent authenticity, you should say shy-et. > Neil Jones proclaimed... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > God you taffies narf talk a load of sh.t. Get a subject ffs! Okey Dokey then... So, Prince of Persia. Damn fine game. I'm about 70% through at the moment, and loving nearly every minute. The combat is fantastic - you think the odds are overwhelming until you remember the original PoP, and how you had to watch for the enemy attack patterns... and then it clicks :D The camera is getting worse, though... for god's sake, why didn't they make it like Oni, where if you backed up to a wall it went transparent so you could still see in front of you. Here, if you get into combat in a room with pillars, the camera is extremely unpredictable. Minor complaint, really - the rest is just a complete blast. ;) ___ Neil AKA HighVis Neil Jones proclaimed... > Okey Dokey then... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ;) I'm pleased you're pleased. Shame you're having problems with the cam, not an uncommon complaint that although it seems to have bothered me less than everyone else. See Paul, it's not difficult. You just need to dumb down. Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesnet.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" |
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