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How to calibrate LCD monitor (LG L194WT) ??
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Beladi Nasralla - 16 Aug 2007 16:41 GMT I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD monitor LG L194WT.
Well, this turned out to be a cheap and nasty monitor. I have experience with using a higher-class LCD monitor for playing games and editing digital photographic pictures.
In this monitor on the standard settings, the text in webbrowser is al'right, however all images are too dark. I tried to adjust the monitor. First of all, I decreased the brightness to 50% (the monitor is too bright). Secondly, I went to the video card driver software ("nVidia Control Panel"), and adjusted the gamma running "Display optimization wizard". Unfortunately, the game Half Life 2 DM is still too dark. Whatever knobs/settings I twist, it is dark. The monitor has modes "normal", "user", "text" and "movie"... all of them leave the images dark.
The only thing left is to go to the nVidia Control Panel, and adjust gamma within "Desktop color settings". This is very effective, and brightens the dark tones... however, am I soomed to increase gamma every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into the desktop !?? Are there better ways ? Or, being cheap, the monitor does not have a high enough dynamic range for adjustment ??
Mike Easter - 16 Aug 2007 16:46 GMT > however, am I soomed to increase gamma > every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into > the desktop !?? Yes.
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Beladi Nasralla - 16 Aug 2007 17:11 GMT > > however, am I soomed to increase gamma > > every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into > > the desktop !?? > > Yes. Why ? I did not have to do it when I was using the laptop. In the laptop, the pictures in the desktop had a proper tonality, and the game had proper tonality, too.
Mike Easter - 16 Aug 2007 17:22 GMT > "Mike Easter" >>> however, am I soomed to increase gamma [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Why ? Why are you asking me why?
> I did not have to do it when I was using the laptop. In the > laptop, the pictures in the desktop had a proper tonality, and the > game had proper tonality, too. See? The LT did and the LG L194WT does not. That 'proves' it. One does, one does not.
Would you care to explain why the LT did?
We are talking about your visual perception difference between two monitor screens which I cannot see and you want me to explain why your visual perception in one environment requires a particular kind of adjustment and not in another.
How zany is that?
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Mike Roman - 16 Aug 2007 17:38 GMT >> however, am I soomed to increase gamma >> every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into >> the desktop !?? > > Yes. Brilliant. One word answers are sooooooo cool.
ransley - 16 Aug 2007 17:44 GMT > >> however, am I soomed to increase gamma > >> every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Brilliant. One word answers are sooooooo cool. Doesnt the game have its own adjustable setting for brightness. There may be an updated driver from nvidea or LG
Beladi Nasralla - 17 Aug 2007 10:39 GMT > > "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Doesnt the game have its own adjustable setting for brightness. Exactly ! Thank you for pointing this out to me. I forgot about the existence of this feature (maybe because I rarely used it). I adjusted the gamma for the game HL2, and -- voi-las ! -- the darks are not too dark anymore. And I do not need change gamma in nVidia Control Panel anymore when I am returning back to the desktop. I guess the darkness of images in the photoediting software is less significant and can be "healed" by minor changing the brightness/contrast settings in the monitor.
Still... The colours look too contrasty and less narural than in a higher-quality LCD monitor I used. I can observe a distinct banding. Which is a consequence of this monitor being cheap and nasty TN type. Oh well.
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> may be an updated driver from nvidea or LG Augustus - 17 Aug 2007 21:34 GMT > Still... The colours look too contrasty and less narural than in a > higher-quality LCD monitor I used. I can observe a distinct banding. > Which is a consequence of this monitor being cheap and nasty TN type. > Oh well. I'm curious....what was the brand and model of the high quality LCD you gave up to get this one? And why?
Conor - 16 Aug 2007 19:57 GMT > I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD > monitor LG L194WT. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > modes "normal", "user", "text" and "movie"... all of them leave the > images dark. I have no issues. Must be you.
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Augustus - 16 Aug 2007 23:21 GMT >I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD > monitor LG L194WT. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > modes "normal", "user", "text" and "movie"... all of them leave the > images dark. This particular monitor gets pretty good reviews all round for a lower priced one. Contrast ratio 2000:1....unlikely that darkness of the images is going to be an issue. Very few complaints in many reviews. I'd tend to go along with the previous poster and suggest that it's got to be something on your end rather than the monitor. Try checking your connection. http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/lg-l194wt-flat-panel/4505-3174_7-32154877.html
Beladi Nasralla - 18 Aug 2007 02:14 GMT > >I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD > > monitor LG L194WT. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > along with the previous poster and suggest that it's got to be something on > your end rather than the monitor. Try checking your connection.http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/lg-l194wt-flat-panel/4505-3174_7... Do you realise that this particular praising review was written by the author just after looking at the monitor specifications written on paper ? Do you realise that the 2000:1contrast is dynamic one (which will be seen only in a "movie" mode), but otherwise it is ol' 700:1 just like in every other TN monitor. And for your information, this same monitor under the same model name is now sold with the sticker "5000:1 contrast" and at the same price... wow, don't you feel the need to flip back over yourself and get one ?
babaloo - 17 Aug 2007 04:01 GMT Personally I find that most first pesron shooters, Doom 3 et al, are unplayable in daylight no matter what kind of monitor is used, although you can crank up the brightness and gamma within the game itself. These games are meant to be dark. The inability to see the images clearly, and how cartoonish they are no matter what your video card, is a part of the game design. Settings you cahnge in the game control panel will apply only to the game. Any settings you change on the monitor or in the video driver are global and will apply to any program. You can create different monitor profiles with a calibration device and with the Nvida control panel although I would not recommend it.
Ed Light - 17 Aug 2007 06:02 GMT Did you adjust the contrast? On some monitors, you set the dark tones where they should be with the brightness, then adjust the light tones with the contrast. --- Ed Light
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D_Mac - 17 Aug 2007 10:02 GMT > I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD > monitor LG L194WT. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the desktop !?? Are there better ways ? Or, being cheap, the monitor > does not have a high enough dynamic range for adjustment ?? You need a utility called "Power Strip" It's not free but it access your video card directly and there is a utility to walk you through a perfect setup for your LCD screen. Use this application and you'll have no more problems.
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Jim - 17 Aug 2007 12:25 GMT Beladi Nasralla wrote on 8/16/2007 11:41 AM:
> I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD > monitor LG L194WT. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the desktop !?? Are there better ways ? Or, being cheap, the monitor > does not have a high enough dynamic range for adjustment ?? That monitor looks pretty nice based on what I can see. I bought a Hanns-G 19" for $100, and it rocks. Best value I have took advantage of. Not one dead or stuck pixel and everything looks great.
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gm - 17 Aug 2007 15:32 GMT > I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD > monitor LG L194WT. > > Well, this turned out to be a cheap and nasty monitor. I have > experience with using a higher-class LCD monitor for playing games and > editing digital photographic pictures. I use http://www.colorvision.com/. You can buy it on eBay and you will use it on all monitors for the rest of your life.
Lief - 19 Aug 2007 04:00 GMT RTFM!
HandyMan - 20 Aug 2007 12:28 GMT >RTFM! Unfortunately RTFM doesn't always work.
I have always prided myself on calibrating most any monitor that has come my way. I don't think twice about opening up the back of a CRT and tweaking the individual guns and HV section's gain to make sure I get a proper ramp on all channels for smooth grays across the board. I mostly do photo editing so I've avoided LCD monitors all these years. However I recently bought a lower quality LCD Acer AL1706 monitor. An emergency purchase because my last good monitor just died and I didn't have a replacement hi-power tranny it needed. Between the nVidia control panel, finding an ICM profile for it (or making one), and its own built in adjustments this was a real head-scratchier.
After about 3 days of approaching the adjustments from several directions I finally settled on some that I can happily live with. By keeping a nice 2.20 gamma test graphic open while making the adjustments.
http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the gamma of your choice, "xxx.png", from 100 to 300 in increments of 10)
Finding the proper settings ended up being a combination of installing a custom profile that I found somewhere on Acer's site, nVidia's own desktop controls, having to tweak nVidia's blue contrast and gamma separately, along with some minor custom white-balance settings on the monitor itself. It wasn't easy but it was doable. None of this complex combo of tweaks being contained in any one User Manual. Quite frankly, for the low cost ($175) and my time spent I'm getting a nicer display on this bargain-level LCD than I have on most CRTs that I've used. Some of the purest grays I've ever seen and a nice even ramp from pure black to white. Quite impressive. I won't think twice about using this for photo editing needs. I think what I found most amazing is that when using some advanced monitor testing software I didn't find even one hot, warm, or dead R, G, or B pixel across the whole LCD display. How do dey do dat? Applause to their LCD component mfg. QC team.
It's a shame that the makers of these devices don't make things easier for the end user. They'd be able to sell so much more of them if everyone could get top performance from them right out of the box. Out of the box on its default settings this monitor was a disaster. The colors so over-saturated and off, so bright and high contrast, that I thought I was having some kind of flashback. Most of that due to nVidia's fault.
Civilian_Target - 21 Aug 2007 23:02 GMT > http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the gamma of > your choice, "xxx.png", from 100 to 300 in increments of 10) Looks fascinating. How do I use it to correctly calibrate my monitor. I suspect I'm over-redded and under-blued.
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HandyMan - 22 Aug 2007 05:14 GMT >> http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the gamma of >> your choice, "xxx.png", from 100 to 300 in increments of 10) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Civilian_Target Download the gamma test graphic for the workspace of your choice. PCs tend to default to 2.20 and Macs to 1.70. Before starting make sure your monitor has been turned on for 30 minutes or so, so that all components are warmed up and operating at working levels.
Load up the graphic in any graphic viewer and view it at 100%. It won't work if it isn't displayed at a 100% ratio. Meaning don't zoom in or out on the graphic.
Make sure you save or write down your beginning brightness, contrast, and gamma settings so that you can always go back to them. You can get hopelessly lost in trying to adjust them and be unable to get back to where you started unless you have some reset features.
Start out by adjusting brightness and contrast so that you can't see any difference between the black and dark-gray squares on the lower-right strip, and that you can barely see a difference between them on the top-right strip. While doing this keep an eye on how bright your whites are, try to adjust for white at the same time to a level that is tolerable for you. You will have to go back and check this again after you adjust your gamma settings.
Use your gamma adjustments (sometimes in combination with contrast adjustments) to make sure that you see an even gray ramp from pure black to pure white on the center and left sets of vertical bars. There should be no color hue changes on the RGB/CYM bar (center section), and all grays should match horizontally across the board. If you see strong hue shifts you may have to adjust the gamma of each channel separately. It's a rare monitor/video-card that will get them perfectly gray all across so don't get upset if they're a little off.
The double-bar on the far left will match in gray levels horizontally when your brightness, contrast and gamma is correct. You shouldn't see a strong division between left and right side of it, or at least no glaring differences. The same as with the RGB/CYM bars, there should be no strong division between the 3 bars.
While doing this you may have to back away from your monitor a few feet or try to blur your eyes a bit while viewing the graphic to make the fine lines of colors blend into solid grays. I get by with squinting my eyes to get the fine color lines to average together for the grays. Otherwise it's difficult to make an adjustment, back away, come back to the computer to tweak settings again, back away, etc.
Go back and check your brightness and contrast again because changing the gamma levels will also change your blacks. Repeat until you get it right.
If your setup is like most I've adjusted it will end up being a combination of monitor adjustments and video-card adjustments (if your card has them). This can get quite convoluted and frustrating when approaching it from both devices but often it's the only way to get it as accurate as possible. Don't discount your white-balance settings on your monitor too. Most manufacturer's default color-temperature (color-balance) settings royally suck, and they might be keeping you from attaining pure blacks grays and whites out of that graphic. If you can manage to get the black, grays, and white right on a monitor (from that graphic) then all your displayed colors will be 100% accurate.
It's a good idea to find a nice setting then wait a day before tweaking them again. Your eyes and mind have the ability to do their own white-balancing act. Stare at any color of light long enough and it'll look white or gray to you. You may come back a day later and notice you have a strong color hue on your monitor because of this. Tweak the settings a bit again if you do. When I get a new monitor or video card I will load up that graphic a few times for a week or so until I have reached a happy medium between all ambient lighting situations and my own eyes trying to fool me.
support - 22 Aug 2007 16:09 GMT >> http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the >> gamma of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Civilian_Target Civilian,
There's a fool proof and easy way to calibrate a monitor. I've been using it on CRT's first and now on LCD's.The only catch is you have to buy a calibrator, like one of http://search.ebay.com/spyder2express_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQpqryZspider2express This calibrator sends signals to the monitor and measures what color the monitor emits. Based on the difference between expected and actual colors, the calibrator creates monitor's profile and saves it in the computer. Every time when the computer starts, it loads the profile. No matter how badly you have already screwed up the settings, the calibrator fixes everything with the monitor profile. On aging CRT I had to use it quite often. On an LCD I set the colors once only. Hope it helps.
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Beladi Nasralla - 24 Aug 2007 13:12 GMT > >RTFM! > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > bright and high contrast, that I thought I was having some kind of flashback. > Most of that due to nVidia's fault. Gee, Handyman, thanks for your detailed reply. I observed funny thing: I adjust contrast and brightness by using the gray gradient pattern, and then switch to another grey gradient (mentioned in your links)... and I see that my monitor is out of calibration... I do not know why is that.
Mike Roman - 21 Aug 2007 12:32 GMT > RTFM! Ah, found it at last!
http://www.altgeek.org/methuselah/rtfm/
Wunderschon or something...
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