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How to calibrate LCD monitor (LG L194WT) ??

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Beladi Nasralla - 16 Aug 2007 16:41 GMT
I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD
monitor LG L194WT.

Well, this turned out to be a cheap and nasty monitor. I have
experience with using a higher-class LCD monitor for playing games and
editing digital photographic pictures.

In this monitor on the standard settings, the text in webbrowser is
al'right, however all images are too dark. I tried to adjust the
monitor. First of all, I decreased the brightness to 50% (the monitor
is too bright). Secondly, I went to the video card driver software
("nVidia Control Panel"), and adjusted the gamma running "Display
optimization wizard". Unfortunately, the game Half Life 2 DM is still
too dark. Whatever knobs/settings I twist, it is dark. The monitor has
modes "normal", "user", "text" and "movie"... all of them leave the
images dark.

The only thing left is to go to the nVidia Control Panel, and adjust
gamma within "Desktop color settings". This is very effective, and
brightens the dark tones... however, am I soomed to increase gamma
every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into
the desktop !?? Are there better ways ? Or, being cheap, the monitor
does not have a high enough dynamic range for adjustment ??
Mike Easter - 16 Aug 2007 16:46 GMT
> however, am I soomed to increase gamma
> every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into
> the desktop !??

Yes.

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Beladi Nasralla - 16 Aug 2007 17:11 GMT
> > however, am I soomed to increase gamma
> > every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into
> > the desktop !??
>
> Yes.

Why ? I did not have to do it when I was using the laptop. In the
laptop, the pictures in the desktop had a proper tonality, and the
game had proper tonality, too.
Mike Easter - 16 Aug 2007 17:22 GMT
>  "Mike Easter"
>>> however, am I soomed to increase gamma
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>
> Why ?

Why are you asking me why?

> I did not have to do it when I was using the laptop. In the
> laptop, the pictures in the desktop had a proper tonality, and the
> game had proper tonality, too.

See?  The LT did and the LG L194WT does not.  That 'proves' it.  One
does, one does not.

Would you care to explain why the LT did?

We are talking about your visual perception difference between two
monitor screens which I cannot see and you want me to explain why your
visual perception in one environment requires a particular kind of
adjustment and not in another.

How zany is that?

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Mike Roman - 16 Aug 2007 17:38 GMT
>> however, am I soomed to increase gamma
>> every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into
>> the desktop !??
>
> Yes.

Brilliant. One word answers are sooooooo cool.
ransley - 16 Aug 2007 17:44 GMT
> >> however, am I soomed to increase gamma
> >> every time I want play game HL2DM, and decrease it when I go back into
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Brilliant. One word answers are sooooooo cool.

Doesnt the game have its own adjustable setting for brightness. There
may be an updated driver from nvidea or LG
Beladi Nasralla - 17 Aug 2007 10:39 GMT
> > "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
>
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>
> Doesnt the game have its own adjustable setting for brightness.

Exactly ! Thank you for pointing this out to me. I forgot about the
existence of this feature (maybe because I rarely used it). I adjusted
the gamma for the game HL2, and -- voi-las ! -- the darks are not too
dark anymore. And I do not need change gamma in nVidia Control Panel
anymore when I am returning back to the desktop. I guess the darkness
of images in the photoediting software is less significant and can be
"healed" by minor changing the brightness/contrast settings in the
monitor.

Still... The colours look too contrasty and less narural than in a
higher-quality LCD monitor I used. I can observe a distinct banding.
Which is a consequence of this monitor being cheap and nasty TN type.
Oh well.

There
> may be an updated driver from nvidea or LG
Augustus - 17 Aug 2007 21:34 GMT
> Still... The colours look too contrasty and less narural than in a
> higher-quality LCD monitor I used. I can observe a distinct banding.
> Which is a consequence of this monitor being cheap and nasty TN type.
> Oh well.

I'm curious....what was the brand and model of the high quality LCD you gave
up to get this one? And why?
Conor - 16 Aug 2007 19:57 GMT
> I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD
> monitor LG L194WT.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> modes "normal", "user", "text" and "movie"... all of them leave the
> images dark.

I have no issues. Must be you.

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If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. -- Albert Einstein

Augustus - 16 Aug 2007 23:21 GMT
>I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD
> monitor LG L194WT.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> modes "normal", "user", "text" and "movie"... all of them leave the
> images dark.

This particular monitor gets pretty good reviews all round for a lower
priced one. Contrast ratio 2000:1....unlikely that darkness of the images is
going to be an issue. Very few complaints in many reviews. I'd tend to go
along with the previous poster and suggest that it's got to be something on
your end rather than the monitor. Try checking your connection.
http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/lg-l194wt-flat-panel/4505-3174_7-32154877.html
Beladi Nasralla - 18 Aug 2007 02:14 GMT
> >I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD
> > monitor LG L194WT.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> along with the previous poster and suggest that it's got to be something on
> your end rather than the monitor. Try checking your connection.http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/lg-l194wt-flat-panel/4505-3174_7...

Do you realise that this particular praising review was written by the
author just after looking at the monitor specifications written on
paper ? Do you realise that the 2000:1contrast is dynamic one (which
will be seen only in a "movie" mode), but otherwise it is ol' 700:1
just like in every other TN monitor. And for your information, this
same monitor under the same model name is now sold with the sticker
"5000:1 contrast" and at the same price... wow, don't you feel the
need to flip back over yourself and get one ?
babaloo - 17 Aug 2007 04:01 GMT
Personally I find that most first pesron shooters, Doom 3 et al, are
unplayable in daylight no matter what kind of monitor is used, although you
can crank up the brightness and gamma within the game itself.
These games are meant to be dark. The inability to see the images clearly,
and how cartoonish they are no matter what your video card, is a part of the
game design.
Settings you cahnge in the game control panel will apply only to the game.
Any settings you change on the monitor or in the video driver are global and
will apply to any program.
You can create different monitor profiles with a calibration device and with
the Nvida control panel although I would not recommend it.
Ed Light - 17 Aug 2007 06:02 GMT
Did you adjust the contrast? On some monitors, you set the dark tones
where they should be with the brightness, then adjust the light tones
with the contrast.
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D_Mac - 17 Aug 2007 10:02 GMT
> I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD
> monitor LG L194WT.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> the desktop !?? Are there better ways ? Or, being cheap, the monitor
> does not have a high enough dynamic range for adjustment ??

You need a utility called "Power Strip" It's not free but it access
your video card  directly and there is a utility to walk you through a
perfect setup for your LCD screen. Use this application and you'll
have no more problems.

Doug
www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com
Jim - 17 Aug 2007 12:25 GMT
Beladi Nasralla wrote on 8/16/2007 11:41 AM:
> I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD
> monitor LG L194WT.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> the desktop !?? Are there better ways ? Or, being cheap, the monitor
> does not have a high enough dynamic range for adjustment ??

That monitor looks pretty nice based on what I can see. I bought a
Hanns-G 19" for $100, and it rocks. Best value I have took advantage of.
Not one dead or stuck pixel and everything looks great.

Jim
gm - 17 Aug 2007 15:32 GMT
> I have a PC with a videocard nVidia 7600GT. Few days ago I got an LCD
> monitor LG L194WT.
>
> Well, this turned out to be a cheap and nasty monitor. I have
> experience with using a higher-class LCD monitor for playing games and
> editing digital photographic pictures.

I use http://www.colorvision.com/. You can buy it on eBay and you will use it on all monitors for the rest of your life.
Lief - 19 Aug 2007 04:00 GMT
RTFM!
HandyMan - 20 Aug 2007 12:28 GMT
>RTFM!

Unfortunately RTFM doesn't always work.

I have always prided myself on calibrating most any monitor that has come my
way. I don't think twice about opening up the back of a CRT and tweaking the
individual guns and HV section's gain to make sure I get a proper ramp on all
channels for smooth grays across the board. I mostly do photo editing so I've
avoided LCD monitors all these years. However I recently bought a lower quality
LCD Acer AL1706 monitor. An emergency purchase because my last good monitor just
died and I didn't have a replacement hi-power tranny it needed. Between the
nVidia control panel, finding an ICM profile for it (or making one), and its own
built in adjustments this was a real head-scratchier.

After about 3 days of approaching the adjustments from several directions I
finally settled on some that I can happily live with. By keeping a nice 2.20
gamma test graphic open while making the adjustments.

http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the gamma of
your choice, "xxx.png", from 100 to 300 in increments of 10)

Finding the proper settings ended up being a combination of installing a custom
profile that I found somewhere on Acer's site, nVidia's own desktop controls,
having to tweak nVidia's blue contrast and gamma separately, along with some
minor custom white-balance settings on the monitor itself. It wasn't easy but it
was doable. None of this complex combo of tweaks being contained in any one User
Manual. Quite frankly, for the low cost ($175) and my time spent I'm getting a
nicer display on this bargain-level LCD than I have on most CRTs that I've used.
Some of the purest grays I've ever seen and a nice even ramp from pure black to
white. Quite impressive. I won't think twice about using this for photo editing
needs. I think what I found most amazing is that when using some advanced
monitor testing software I didn't find even one hot, warm, or dead R, G, or B
pixel across the whole LCD display. How do dey do dat? Applause to their LCD
component mfg. QC team.

It's a shame that the makers of these devices don't make things easier for the
end user. They'd be able to sell so much more of them if everyone could get top
performance from them right out of the box. Out of the box on its default
settings this monitor was a disaster. The colors so over-saturated and off, so
bright and high contrast, that I thought I was having some kind of flashback.
Most of that due to nVidia's fault.
Civilian_Target - 21 Aug 2007 23:02 GMT
> http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the gamma of
> your choice, "xxx.png", from 100 to 300 in increments of 10)

Looks fascinating. How do I use it to correctly calibrate my monitor. I
suspect I'm over-redded and under-blued.

Civilian_Target
HandyMan - 22 Aug 2007 05:14 GMT
>> http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the gamma of
>> your choice, "xxx.png", from 100 to 300 in increments of 10)
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>
>Civilian_Target

Download the gamma test graphic for the workspace of your choice. PCs tend to
default to 2.20 and Macs to 1.70. Before starting make sure your monitor has
been turned on for 30 minutes or so, so that all components are warmed up and
operating at working levels.

Load up the graphic in any graphic viewer and view it at 100%. It won't work if
it isn't displayed at a 100% ratio. Meaning don't zoom in or out on the graphic.

Make sure you save or write down your beginning brightness, contrast, and gamma
settings so that you can always go back to them. You can get hopelessly lost in
trying to adjust them and be unable to get back to where you started unless you
have some reset features.

Start out by adjusting brightness and contrast so that you can't see any
difference between the black and dark-gray squares on the lower-right strip, and
that you can barely see a difference between them on the top-right strip. While
doing this keep an eye on how bright your whites are, try to adjust for white at
the same time to a level that is tolerable for you. You will have to go back and
check this again after you adjust your gamma settings.

Use your gamma adjustments (sometimes in combination with contrast adjustments)
to make sure that you see an even gray ramp from pure black to pure white on the
center and left sets of vertical bars. There should be no color hue changes on
the RGB/CYM bar (center section), and all grays should match horizontally across
the board. If you see strong hue shifts you may have to adjust the gamma of each
channel separately. It's a rare monitor/video-card that will get them perfectly
gray all across so don't get upset if they're a little off.

The double-bar on the far left will match in gray levels horizontally when your
brightness, contrast and gamma is correct. You shouldn't see a strong division
between left and right side of it, or at least no glaring differences. The same
as with the RGB/CYM bars, there should be no strong division between the 3 bars.

While doing this you may have to back away from your monitor a few feet or try
to blur your eyes a bit while viewing the graphic to make the fine lines of
colors blend into solid grays. I get by with squinting my eyes to get the fine
color lines to average together for the grays. Otherwise it's difficult to make
an adjustment, back away, come back to the computer to tweak settings again,
back away, etc.

Go back and check your brightness and contrast again because changing the gamma
levels will also change your blacks. Repeat until you get it right.

If your setup is like most I've adjusted it will end up being a combination of
monitor adjustments and video-card adjustments (if your card has them). This can
get quite convoluted and frustrating when approaching it from both devices but
often it's the only way to get it as accurate as possible. Don't discount your
white-balance settings on your monitor too. Most manufacturer's default
color-temperature (color-balance) settings royally suck, and they might be
keeping you from attaining pure blacks grays and whites out of that graphic. If
you can manage to get the black, grays, and white right on a monitor (from that
graphic) then all your displayed colors will be 100% accurate.

It's a good idea to find a nice setting then wait a day before tweaking them
again. Your eyes and mind have the ability to do their own white-balancing act.
Stare at any color of light long enough and it'll look white or gray to you. You
may come back a day later and notice you have a strong color hue on your monitor
because of this. Tweak the settings a bit again if you do. When I get a new
monitor or video card I will load up that graphic a few times for a week or so
until I have reached a happy medium between all ambient lighting situations and
my own eyes trying to fool me.
support - 22 Aug 2007 16:09 GMT
>> http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/monitor_gamma/220.png (type in the
>> gamma of
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>
> Civilian_Target

Civilian,

There's a fool proof and easy way to calibrate a monitor. I've been using it on CRT's first and now on LCD's.The only catch is you have to buy a calibrator, like one of
http://search.ebay.com/spyder2express_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQpqryZspider2express
This calibrator sends signals to the monitor and measures what color the monitor emits. Based on the difference between expected and actual colors, the calibrator creates monitor's profile and saves it in the computer. Every time when the computer starts, it loads the profile.
No matter how badly you have already screwed up the settings, the calibrator fixes everything with the monitor profile. On aging CRT I had to use it quite often. On an LCD I set the colors once only.
Hope it helps.

Support
http://www.cozyworld.ca <http://www.cozyworld.ca/>
Beladi Nasralla - 24 Aug 2007 13:12 GMT
> >RTFM!
>
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> bright and high contrast, that I thought I was having some kind of flashback.
> Most of that due to nVidia's fault.

Gee, Handyman, thanks for your detailed reply. I observed funny thing:
I adjust contrast and brightness by using the gray gradient pattern,
and then switch to another grey gradient (mentioned in your links)...
and I see that my monitor is out of calibration... I do not know why
is that.
Mike Roman - 21 Aug 2007 12:32 GMT
> RTFM!

Ah, found it at last!

http://www.altgeek.org/methuselah/rtfm/

Wunderschon or something...
 
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