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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / July 2007STEAM, I'll AGAIN ask politely... Will I be able to play the games I payed for?
I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a reply! Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? I will re-install both my OS and the games themselves! So, its YES or NO? And I only want a YES/NO answer and I don't give a damn about what you feel JUST ANSWER ME YES OR NO! I know why STEAM LOVERs don't want to give me a direct answer and just give me BS excuses This is big, BIG and not only its BIG, its easy to understand by everyone and probably for the first time many PC Gamers will truly understand what is in stake with STEAM, and the meaning of a Service Based System which is what STEAM is. When I in 2004 shouted out loud about STEAM being a SERVICE and all the dangers that could come from it, nobody understood me and still the majority doesn't, but this, this has such immediate implications and consequences everyone I mean EVERYONE will understand, finally understand what I was saying back in 2004 when I warned about the danger of STEAM being a SERVICE So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it will be: YES or NO? > So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it > will be: YES or NO? It's NO you moron. How come you're the only one that doesn't understand that? >> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >> will be: YES or NO? > > It's NO you moron. How come you're the only one that doesn't understand > that? ... because no one else is quite as stupid as pc games? :-) >>> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >>> will be: YES or NO? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ... because no one else is quite as stupid as pc games? ..it was a rhetorical question ;-) >> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >> will be: YES or NO? > > It's NO you moron. How come you're the only one that doesn't understand > that? * Because his picnic is deficient in the sandwich department to the tune of one. * Because, whilst he has a full set of light-bulbs, there are one or two that would appear to have blown. * Because there are only 51 cards in his favourite deck of cards. Come on guys, you know the tune now, sing along... >> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >> will be: YES or NO? > >It's NO you moron. How come you're the only one that doesn't understand >that? Apologies - im a moron. Why cant he go into offline mode and it will work? and continue to work for........ ever? or does Steam insist on reauthenticating your account occasionally? And can you authenticate steam account without updating it (steam)? And if he went in offline mode, backed up steam, the reinstalled it from backup (after he reinstalled his amazing Win98 OS!!!) - would it just work... or would it insiste of reauthenticating? and then insist on updating etc? Obviously his online games would not work when they updated - but he could still play CS 1.6 if he could find a server? And he could continue to play HL2 ad-infinitum? Im just interested (im on Vista). Cheers >>> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >>> will be: YES or NO? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Apologies - im a moron. S'ok - tis the season for it ;-) He's a moron because this is the second thread in a week he's started about it (the other one was in csipga) and his questions have been answered over... and over... and over... > Why cant he go into offline mode and it will work? and continue to > work for........ ever? or does Steam insist on reauthenticating your > account occasionally? The offline mode has been revamped and should in theory now *stay* offline. In theory because I don't know anyone that is testing it. If it works there is no reason why Steam in offline mode shouldn't work with 98. > And can you authenticate steam account without updating it (steam)? I guess this would be the problem. If you install to 98 (or any other OS) then Steam would automagically update itself and if this is done after this month when Steam has all the new goodies that will not work on 98 then you'd be buggered. > And if he went in offline mode, backed up steam, the reinstalled it > from backup (after he reinstalled his amazing Win98 OS!!!) - would it > just work... or would it insiste of reauthenticating? and then insist > on updating etc? That would have to be tested. I don't know. Sorry > Obviously his online games would not work when they updated - but he > could still play CS 1.6 if he could find a server? > > And he could continue to play HL2 ad-infinitum? > > Im just interested (im on Vista). Damn, sorry man... isn't that worse than 98 at the moment? ;-) > Damn, sorry man... isn't that worse than 98 at the moment? ;-) Like runninng 3.11 on a 286 machinery - Peter  SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! >>> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >>> will be: YES or NO? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Apologies - im a moron. Oh no no no.. he's the moron. You are just slightly confused by his ongoing rhetoric spewing pie hole. > Why cant he go into offline mode and it will work? and continue to > work for........ ever? or does Steam insist on reauthenticating your [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Cheers SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com > So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it > will be: YES or NO? No Which coincidentally is also the answer to the question "Does anyone care?" It's entirely reasonable for a service provider to cease supporting a product that the product's manufacturer has ceased supporting. Which brings us back to your real problem - it's nothing to do with Windows 98, it's the fact that you object to the Steam distribution model itself. I don't think that I'm the only one who thinks you're a bit of a tit for buying into a service that you cannot sustain. There is always a choice. At the most basic level, it's "buy it" or "don't buy it" My own "polite" suggestion is that you write direct to Steam customer services directly, asking for an explanation. If they ignore your direct communication, then hopefully you'll realise there's zero chance of them replying in a forum they probably don't even read. >> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >> will be: YES or NO? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > communication, then hopefully you'll realise there's zero chance of them > replying in a forum they probably don't even read. Hey, what are the odds that he lives in the UK and is giving the Govt. the same abuse regarding the imminent analogue/digital switchover hehehe... >>> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >>> will be: YES or NO? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Hey, what are the odds that he lives in the UK and is giving the Govt. the > same abuse regarding the imminent analogue/digital switchover hehehe... He's portugese >>>> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >>>> will be: YES or NO? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > He's portugese Ah, no wonder... ;o) > "Marcus Redd" <read@it.com> wrote in message >> Hey, what are the odds that he lives in the UK and is giving the Govt. >> the same abuse regarding the imminent analogue/digital switchover >> hehehe... > > He's portugese Well given the rationale behind the original post, he's probably STILL giving the UK govt aggro over the digital TV switchover. > Hey, what are the odds that he lives in the UK and is giving the > Govt. the same abuse regarding the imminent analogue/digital > switchover hehehe... I wish *I* could give the people responsible some abuse about that; my TV is so ancient it only supports 8 channels and doesn't have a SCART socket, so it'll simply stop working come the switchover and I can't afford to replace it. Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >> Hey, what are the odds that he lives in the UK and is giving the >> Govt. the same abuse regarding the imminent analogue/digital [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > so it'll simply stop working come the switchover and I can't afford to > replace it. FreeCycle!!! >Hey, what are the odds that he lives in the UK and is giving the Govt. the >same abuse regarding the imminent analogue/digital switchover hehehe... It would be a similar issue if the analog/digital TV system switchover would also mean you wouldn't be able to watch any of your existing DVD movies anymore with your existing DVD player and analog TV. Dropping Steam support for an OS does not affect only the Steam client, but also the Steam games you have. >> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >> will be: YES or NO? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > communication, then hopefully you'll realise there's zero chance of them > replying in a forum they probably don't even read. 'WHAT!!!!???? GABE N. DOES NOT READ THIS FORUM.???? sh.t!!!!!! >> So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it >> will be: YES or NO? > >No > >Which coincidentally is also the answer to the question "Does anyone care?" Most won't, as there aren't any Steam games that would not work on later Windows versions that Steam does support. However, if someone still wanted to continue playing his existing Steam Win98 game(s) (like Half-life 1) on his Win98 machine, this is bad news for him obviously (in case there is any reason he is reluctant to move them to another PC, or upgrade that PC to WinXP). Hopefully, though, Valve will handle it differently if and when they ever decide to drop support to e.g. Win2000 or XP, as I am not yet convinced all existing Steam games will run flawlessly on e.g. 64bit Windows Vista, or later (assuming Valve is still around at that point). >It's entirely reasonable for a service provider to cease supporting a >product that the product's manufacturer has ceased supporting. Not from a consumer point of view, if it also means they are at the same time blocking you from installing and playing all your games on the platform that you originally bought them for. Just because Electronic Arts has dropped supporting Win98, it does not mean you are unable to install and play your old EA games you bought for Win98. You can also play your Commodore 64 games on your Commodore 64, if you still have one. But this is basically what Valve seems to be doing now for Steam games. Again, not much of a problem for most THIS TIME around, as most are probably already playing all their Steam games on Win2000/XP anyway, and all Steam games are also guaranteed to work on these post-Win98/ME. But what about when the next similar OS switch happens? Does Valve guarantee all existing Steam games will work on e.g. Vista 64bit, or alternatively will they make sure people are still able to use their games on the platform they were originally bought for? >Which brings us back to your real problem - it's nothing to do with Windows >98, it's the fact that you object to the Steam distribution model itself. I >don't think that I'm the only one who thinks you're a bit of a tit for >buying into a service that you cannot sustain. There is always a choice. At >the most basic level, it's "buy it" or "don't buy it" Not referring to pcgames, but little activism can sometimes be good if you see potential perils (that buying public might not even be aware of) in certain incoming trends. For example, it appears even you didn't really understand at all what the issue here was, as proven by your "It's entirely reasonable for a service provider to cease supporting..."-comment. Unwashed masses sometimes need to be informed about the issues they are unaware of or which they don't fully comprehend. >My own "polite" suggestion is that you write direct to Steam customer >services directly, asking for an explanation. If they ignore your direct >communication, then hopefully you'll realise there's zero chance of them >replying in a forum they probably don't even read. I can agree with that. pcgames didn't really offer anything new with this message, as this issue was already raised by SpammersDie and me some time ago. > ...For example, it appears even you > didn't really understand at all what the issue here was, as proven by > your "It's entirely reasonable for a service provider to cease > supporting..."-comment. Unwashed masses sometimes need to be informed > about the issues they are unaware of or which they don't fully > comprehend. But Steam games can still be played with the "go online" option disabled. I do it all the time, albeit on an XP machine. This means the only gripe Win98 users legitimately have is that their online play (e.g. HL1 deathmatch) is now unsupported. And even that is folly. Using a once-mainstream o/s that is now unsupported is asking for trouble from spambots, trojans and viruses. >> ...For example, it appears even you >> didn't really understand at all what the issue here was, as proven by [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And even that is folly. Using a once-mainstream o/s that is now > unsupported is asking for trouble from spambots, trojans and viruses. Of course if you don't have the hardware needed to run XP (or, more likely, don't have the disk space) then you are stuck with 98. I'm running XP SP2 and the Windows folder on its own takes up nearly 3 gigs; another 300+ megs in Documents and Settings (excluding My Documents); 2 gigs in Program Files (excluding M$ Office)... etc etc. If you have an old system that was built to run 98 it's likely you only have a small HD, probably less than 20 gigs. I know HDs are dirt cheap nowadays but if you're like me you don't have the money for even an 80 gigger... and 98 machines aren't likely to have SATA connectors anyway. <g> Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >>> ...For example, it appears even you >>> didn't really understand at all what the issue here was, as proven by [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the money for even an 80 gigger... and 98 machines aren't likely to have > SATA connectors anyway. <g> People are literally giving away (checkout your local Freecycle) machines capable of running XP quite happily these days... > "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > People are literally giving away (checkout your local Freecycle) > machines capable of running XP quite happily these days... Haven't seen any PCs at all on my local Freecycle, but then I don't live anywhere near a city. LOL Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >> People are literally giving away (checkout your local Freecycle) >> machines capable of running XP quite happily these days... > > Haven't seen any PCs at all on my local Freecycle, but then I don't live > anywhere near a city. LOL Even if you do get a PC on FreeCycle, it's unlikely to come with a valid o/s licence. I don't hold with the theory expressed elsewhere in this thread that a Win98 machine is "safe" because all the malicious coders have moved on, but even that is better than using an unprotected XP installation on the 'net. >>> People are literally giving away (checkout your local Freecycle) >>> machines capable of running XP quite happily these days... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Even if you do get a PC on FreeCycle, it's unlikely to come with a valid > o/s licence. The one I got did. They guy had formatted, installed and installed all the updates too. Genuine COA on the box. > I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a > reply! > > Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... > lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? Hopefully not. Hopefully, Valve will stop supporting extinct OSes and will concentrate all their excellence merely on superceded OSes. Hey, you're name isn't Dale Gribble is it? Now shut up! >Hopefully, Valve will stop supporting extinct OSes and will concentrate all >their excellence merely on superceded OSes. It is funny though how the introduction of HD-DVD and Blueray has in no way affected my ability to watch my existing DVD movies on my older DVD player and TV. I can also still play any Electronic Arts Win98 games on my older retro-Win98 system even though EA doesn't support Win98 anymore. Not the case with Steam games. Their existing and future decisions on dropping support for any OSes directly affect my ability to use any of the games I have bought from them over the years. That's the extra hassle you get from having to rely on online product activation for single-player games. >>Hopefully, Valve will stop supporting extinct OSes and will concentrate >>all [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > That's the extra hassle you get from having to rely on online product > activation for single-player games. Just as with Vista, Blue-Ray / HD-DVD is still very new (and very expensive.) 98 is sooooo old now, it really should be dropped. It's ridiculous to suggest that they'll drop XP in anything like the near future. >I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a >reply! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >And I only want a YES/NO answer and I don't give a damn about what you >feel JUST ANSWER ME YES OR NO! No... You have to pirate a newer OS, like Win2000, you sh.t-sucking hypocrite pirate. > I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a > reply! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it > will be: YES or NO? I thought you died. > Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... > lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? If you use as much time searching the internet for a solution to your problem as you use for ranting on the usenet - you would have the solution to play HL2 without Steam ages ago Now be a good boy and fix your installation and play the game like you want! - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! >I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a >reply! > >Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... >lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? Since you have never bought any Steam games and never intend to do so, the answer is blindingly obvious. So, please shut up asking idiotic rhetorical questions. ( If you do not understand the terms "idiotic" and "rhetorical", please use your English-Portuguese dictionary) Anyway, if you are still running Win98, you should have accumulated a bunch of viruses by now, since most if not all of the latest editions of the decent virus killers and spam-filters are incompatible with that OS. And having an old version of a Windows OS does not guarantee virus immunity. No wonder your posts have resemble spam for the last year or so... you are a Win98 spam-bot !! John Lewis >>I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a >>reply! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >John Lewis He's running Windows XP: X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) >>Anyway, if you are still running Win98, you should have accumulated a >>bunch of viruses by now, since most if not all of the latest editions [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; > rv:1.8.1.4) A PIRATED version of XP to be accurate. >> He's running Windows XP: >> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; >> rv:1.8.1.4) > A PIRATED version of XP to be accurate. How can you tell that it's pirated? Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". > How can you tell that it's pirated? Isn't that obvious? The moron complaints about Valve as HL2 is not the easiest game to make illegal copies off - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! >> How can you tell that it's pirated? > Isn't that obvious? > The moron complaints about Valve as HL2 is not the easiest game to make > illegal copies off Ummm.... I was asking how it was known that the copy of *windows xp* was pirated. I don't think copying HL2 has much to do with that, does it? My question stands... Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >Isn't that obvious? >The moron complaints about Valve as HL2 is not the easiest game to make >illegal copies off Not the hardest either. Just checked: According to MobyGames, Half-life 2 was released 16.11.2004. According to IsoNews, the pirated version was released 15.11.2004. So it seems it took them a whole -1 days to pirate the game. ;) Way to go, Steam! You really showed them pirates. >> Isn't that obvious? >> The moron complaints about Valve as HL2 is not the easiest game to make [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So it seems it took them a whole -1 days to pirate the game. ;) Way to > go, Steam! You really showed them pirates. Then the dickheads took their warez version online and got banned... 20,000 of them. IIRC it took a while longer for someone to actually get a properly working version out that didn't need Steam?? Anyone? > IIRC it took a while longer for someone to actually get a properly > working version out that didn't need Steam?? Anyone? You have a steamless version of HL2 but it's a pain in the butt to get it up and running Eg http://www.mgforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014 Steamless CS 1.6 has been around for ages http://v4.steamlessproject.nl/index.php?page=news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WON2 - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! >>> He's running Windows XP: >>> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How can you tell that it's pirated? Cos he told us... >>>> He's running Windows XP: >>>> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Cos he told us... She uses a non activated pirated copy of Windows XP en-US on "moral grounds". Apparently piracy of an OS made by a "Monopolistic" developer is fine. It's the old "flexible principles" thing that she lives by. She painted herself into a corner with this long ago. She either had to admit to being part of the Product Activation "problem" that she campaigns against or she had to admit to still being a pirate. She gave up pirating games (apparently) not because it was wrong of course, oh no, but because it meant she was inconvenienced by things like Steam and Starforce. The inception of which she contributed towards with her game pirating days. In this very group (csipcga) she has openly encouraged others to pirate their OS. I really do hate hypocrites. SignatureRob >>> A PIRATED version of XP to be accurate. >> How can you tell that it's pirated? > Cos he told us... Oh. I guess I must have missed that. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >>>> A PIRATED version of XP to be accurate. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh. I guess I must have missed that. Thank what ever diety that you missed that rant. >> I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a >> reply! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > John Lewis Actually Win98SE is pretty good for keeping viruses out as no viruses are being built for them anymore. :-) I've seen PC's online with Win98SE and running "clean" because even the virus makers have moved on to Win2K\XP SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com >>> I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a >>> reply! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I've seen PC's online with Win98SE and running "clean" because even the > virus makers have moved on to Win2K\XP Hadn't thought of that :-) >Anyway, if you are still running Win98, you should have accumulated a >bunch of viruses by now, since most if not all of the latest editions >of the decent virus killers and spam-filters are incompatible with >that OS. There are lots of retro-PC gamers around, as the popularity of emulation, The Underdogs, retro-game compilations etc. show. I also have a working P133/64MB retro-gaming PC running Win98 and DOS, with 3Dfx Voodoo2 card, Roland sound cards and all the great sh.t that lets me play my older Win98 and MS-DOS era games on it. It is not normally even connected to the net (even though that is not a big problem as it is behind a NAT firewall), it is there just for retro-gaming. >There are lots of retro-PC gamers around, as the popularity of >emulation, The Underdogs, retro-game compilations etc. show. I also >have a working P133/64MB retro-gaming PC running Win98 and DOS, with >3Dfx Voodoo2 card, Roland sound cards and all the great sh.t that lets >me play my older Win98 and MS-DOS era games on it. I love my old PC's for some strange reason. Nostalgia I guess? They remind of more innocent and less complicated (and exciting) times for PC's, the Internet and computer games. The oldest PC that I currently have in working order is P166MMX with 64mb RAM, a 4mb Rage II video card and a Vibra 16 ISA soundcard. I used it last night to play "Stonekeep" on Win98 My favourite is a P3 800 with 512mb RAM, an 8mb RagePro Turbo (which is most decidedly *not* turbo!) and a Voodoo 2. That one has Windows Millennium on it. I played POD on it few days ago (remember the first MMX games?) I even have my MSDOS 6.22 floppies and Windows For Workgroups 3.11 Sometimes I really miss those days of the 286, 386 and 486. I remember getting a 486 SX25 and feeling like a King. I later spent heaps of money on it buying Multimedia upgrades (SB16, CD drive and speakers). Those were definitely the days. SignatureRob >>There are lots of retro-PC gamers around, as the popularity of >>emulation, The Underdogs, retro-game compilations etc. show. I also [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Those were definitely the days. I don't miss editing the config.sys or autoexec.bat files in DOS. Commands like: DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS DOS=HIGH,UMB DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS FILES=30 STACKS=0,0 BUFFERS=20 DEVICEHIGH=C:\Windows\COMMAND\ANSI.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\MTMCDAI.SYS /D:123 Sometimes I wake up at night in a cold sweat, screaming, "I need 4kbyte more of conventional memory!" :) >>> There are lots of retro-PC gamers around, as the popularity of >>> emulation, The Underdogs, retro-game compilations etc. show. I also [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Sometimes I wake up at night in a cold sweat, screaming, "I need 4kbyte more > of conventional memory!" :) It's all faded on me now but I used to have to configure PC's at work that needed over 600K of conventional memory to run... can't recall all the commands anymore but I had to actually specify where in the memory each device would go to make them fit. That was just sick... thanks for reminding me. :-) J SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com >>>> There are lots of retro-PC gamers around, as the popularity of >>>> emulation, The Underdogs, retro-game compilations etc. show. I also [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > J I even remember doing mult-boot under DOS. My pc would boot to a menu where I could select: Load DOS with no CD Load DOS with no CD and no mouse Load DOS with CD and mouse Load DOS ... "OldDog" <OldDog@citypound.dogs> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say: >>>>> There are lots of retro-PC gamers around, as the popularity of >>>>> emulation, The Underdogs, retro-game compilations etc. show. I also [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >Load DOS with CD and mouse >Load DOS ... With XMS With EMS With select values of the above two With no xms/ems at all for games (like Privateer) that had their own special manager. etc I still remember when dos 6 (or was it 5) came with that memmaker thing that was supposed to free up all the low memory you needed for you. It ended up with something like 4k less low memory than my settings and that was when it was run on a machine that had booted on my settings. Xocyll SignatureI don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably, Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr > "OldDog" <OldDog@citypound.dogs> looked up from reading the entrails of > the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Xocyll Ah.. memmaker.. that was the utility in DOS organize it to give more conventional memory but always screwed it up. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com I preferred QEMM, until MSDOS changed and it wasn't compatible anymore... Ahhh, the hours I spent trying to get engine nacelles on the B-52s in Falcon 3.0.... (required 635k of conventional memory) > "OldDog" <OldDog@citypound.dogs> looked up from reading the entrails of > the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Xocyll > I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a > reply! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > So I will not give up until I have a straight answer... so what it > will be: YES or NO? YES of course you can ... what are you an idiot or something? > I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a > reply! > > Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... > lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? <snip crap> No. There's your short answer. Now stfu and get over it. If you don't want to change and upgrade them go to a flea market and buy a Nintendo original with DuckHunt and Mario Bros. so you never have to upgrade again. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com >... You make us real Steam critics look bad with your inane ranting. >> ... > > You make us real Steam critics look bad with your inane ranting. She's certainly done more to turn even those with issues against Steam into defenders of it than anyone else could have done. > You make us real Steam critics look bad with your inane ranting. Ok, so I'll pass the ball to you and SpammerDie and those you call "real" STEAM critics Lets see what you can do... and I really do hope the best of luck for you cause I would also benefit... >> You make us real Steam critics look bad with your inane ranting. > > Ok, so I'll pass the ball to you and SpammerDie and those you call > "real" STEAM critics > Lets see what you can do... and I really do hope the best of luck for > you cause I would also benefit... Just get a "new" PC with XP installed and stop whining. > Lets see what you can do... and I really do hope the best of luck for > you cause I would also benefit... As I wrote earlier You have steamless versions of HL2 Search the internet using Google Oh I forgot Google is also a monopolic sob, right? You have a hard time trying to avoid all those big companies What about your PC hardware? Parts from any big company - uhmm like AMD or Intel? Or did you buy a PowerPC from Mac (with Intel inside)? Come on let's get those facts on the table! - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! > As I wrote earlier > You have steamless versions of HL2 To the other you gave the link but to me no... Nevertheless I got it http://www.mgforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242119&postcount=13 And I already downloaded the file... http://www.mgforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2810&d=1106739814 But I don't have HL2 itself to test it... Probably will try and look for a 2nd hand unit (NEW never, I refuse to give money directly to Valve) Yes if cheap I would not mind buying a 2nd hand unit of HL2 and try this out Probably after 3 long years I will finally play HL2... lets see... Anyone has HL2 Used 2nd hand for sale? (the more "used" the better meaning if you are not the original owner that is even better!) After I try it I also intend to re-sell it again, oh yeah, f.ck Up Valve pretty good. PS: I'm wondering if there is the same for Sin Episode 1, I would also like to play that too > Nevertheless I got it > http://www.mgforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242119&postcount=13 > And I already downloaded the file... > http://www.mgforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2810&d=110... I found another file also in Megagames forum http://www.mgforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=308333&postcount=215 The file is called "HL2_SP_Installer_V1-4.zip" and its more recent, its from 2006 http://www.mgforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3432&d=1143166335 Now has anyone tested this? Does it really work? And what Retail edition you need? cause I bet each time Valve releases a new Retail edition of Half-Life 2 it patches the game to make it incompatible with this stuff >> As I wrote earlier >> You have steamless versions of HL2 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > PS: I'm wondering if there is the same for Sin Episode 1, I would also > like to play that too Just to be clear on what you're saying with this post. Are you supporting and encouraging illegal use of software? Just want to be sure. >>> As I wrote earlier >>> You have steamless versions of HL2 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Just to be clear on what you're saying with this post. Are you >supporting and encouraging illegal use of software? Just want to be sure. Well, there you have it. It those jolly old "flexible principles". "Don't pirate games but it's OK to pirate Windows" and "don't sell second hand games unless they can be played with cracks to bypass Steam" What a flaming two faced and gutless hypocrite. From now on I shall cease to refer to her as PC Plank. Her new name shall be "PC Kipper". A kipper is the only other thing that is equally two faced and gutless SignatureRob >>>> As I wrote earlier >>>> You have steamless versions of HL2 [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > shall be "PC Kipper". A kipper is the only other thing that is equally > two faced and gutless They stink too. However, they're rather tasty. Something of a dilema, perhaps... ;o) >>>>> As I wrote earlier >>>>> You have steamless versions of HL2 [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > They stink too. However, they're rather tasty. Something of a dilema, > perhaps... Best beheaded and placed in a large jug with boiling water poured over and left for a while... You decide which version I'm talking about. >"Rob" <noemailformethx@jsjsaiiowppw.com> wrote in message >> From now on I shall cease to refer to her as PC Plank. Her new name >> shall be "PC Kipper". A kipper is the only other thing that is equally [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >;o) OK, so who is going to ask the obvious "next questions" of our newly christened resident? SignatureRob >>>> As I wrote earlier >>>> You have steamless versions of HL2 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > shall be "PC Kipper". A kipper is the only other thing that is equally > two faced and gutless I know it wasn't your original meaning but are you aware that in the UK the Prudential (a finance services company) did a survey a number of years ago and found there were 1 million adults still living with their parents despite being almost 40yrs old. They named them Kippers or 'Kids in parents pockets eroding retirements savings'. Your new name for plonker, sorry, Kipper, fits in all sorts of ways. On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:21:11 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> >> From now on I shall cease to refer to her as PC Plank. Her new name >> shall be "PC Kipper". A kipper is the only other thing that is equally [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >'Kids in parents pockets eroding retirements savings'. Your new name >for plonker, sorry, Kipper, fits in all sorts of ways. I am having a right old chortle here. What was the "counter movement" started to thwart these "kippers"? Wasn't it "Ski" or something? "Spend the Kids Inheritance"? SignatureRob > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:21:11 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> >>> From now on I shall cease to refer to her as PC Plank. Her new name [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > What was the "counter movement" started to thwart these "kippers"? > Wasn't it "Ski" or something? "Spend the Kids Inheritance"? Was that a survey by Saga? > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:21:11 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> >>> From now on I shall cease to refer to her as PC Plank. Her new name [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > What was the "counter movement" started to thwart these "kippers"? > Wasn't it "Ski" or something? "Spend the Kids Inheritance"? It is known as skiing yes. A trend I firmly believe in. Course I expect *my* inheritance - my mothers a different generation. Told her I'm buying her a nice mans watch for Xmas on the basis that her age means I'll inherit it back soon. Luckily she's come to expect those kind of comments and is normally ready with a better retort > Well, there you have it. It those jolly old "flexible principles". Entered the trap with both eyes wide opened and never saw what what hit her LOL - owned big time - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! > Just to be clear on what you're saying with this post. Are you > supporting and encouraging illegal use of software? Just want to be sure. Where in anything I wrote in my post I do support or encourage illegal use of software? Nowhere! >> Just to be clear on what you're saying with this post. Are you >> supporting and encouraging illegal use of software? Just want to be sure. > > Where in anything I wrote in my post I do support or encourage illegal > use of software? > Nowhere! Are you trying to avoid Steam to play Steam games? Do you intend to bypass authentication? Are you giving out links for others to do this too? >But I don't have HL2 itself to test it... >Probably will try and look for a 2nd hand unit (NEW never, I refuse to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >this out >Probably after 3 long years I will finally play HL2... lets see... You total HYPOCRITE !! 1. You have incessantly railed against the purchase of used/second-hand games for at least the past 2 years. "Purchase of used-games does nor reward the developer" has been your unwavering rant. 2. You do know that the HL2 EULA expressly forbids the trading and playing of used copies of that game, don't you? Any such purchase makes you an accessory to a crime. 3. Installation of any hack to circumvent the Steam validation is also a violation of the HL2 EULA. Hopefully you will shell out good money to buy a used copy of HL2. I highly recommend eBay. Excellent mechanism for disposal of redundant HL2 disks after installation of the game. Always some suckers like you that will purchase them. John Lewis > 1. You have incessantly railed against the purchase of > used/second-hand games for at least the past 2 years. "Purchase of > used-games does nor reward the developer" has been your unwavering > rant. Reward the developer that deserve it! Or you are telling me a developer that ABUSES me deserves that I reward him? Does ABUSE deserve reward? I'm no masochist Lewis! I will only reward those that are my FRIENDS! > 2. You do know that the HL2 EULA expressly forbids the trading and > playing of used copies of that game, don't you? Any such purchase > makes you an accessory to a crime. Oh yes Lewis? Ok, then call the cops cause Amazon US is doing it http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00006I02Z/ > 3. Installation of any hack to circumvent the Steam validation is also > a violation of the HL2 EULA. f.ck VALVE! f.ck STEAM! AND f.ck YOU TOO LEWIS! How is that? > Hopefully you will shell out good money to buy a used copy of HL2. > I highly recommend eBay. Excellent mechanism for disposal of > redundant HL2 disks after installation of the game. Always some > suckers like you that will purchase them. I'll do it if it works, if this steamless thing does actually work So you got HL2 so why don't you try it yourself and tell me if it works Try and do something useful for a change Lewis >> 1. You have incessantly railed against the purchase of >> used/second-hand games for at least the past 2 years. "Purchase of [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >works >Try and do something useful for a change Lewis Sorry, but I respect the law, unlike you for whom it is just a convenient set of rules to be discarded at your whim. Kinda difficult for you not to succumb again to your piracy addiction? Another therapy session at Pirates Anonymous seems called for. Anyway, with regard to your specific request, I remind you again that I don't do troll toilet-training... and I do not possess a retail copy of HL2 anyway. I suggest that you buy a used copy of HL2 and do it yourself... or try it out on a set of HL2 disks borrowed from a friend who has already installed the game. Hmmm... that might be a little difficult for you - finding anybody that meets that particular social requirement. As usual, you are completely full of hot-air, very happy blowing off about what everybody else should do. Why don't you do something useful like feeding the farmyard livestock, who are probably getting hungry again? I am perfectly happy to run my $19.95 copy of HL2 bought over a year ago on-line via Steam and discounted by $10 for purchasers of HL2:Ep1, which I just happened to have acquired for $7.99 on a $12 discount sale at Circuit City. You see, I am very happy to buy (only new) Steam games, but ONLY WHEN fully discounted to "used-game" prices. Kinda logical considering the Valve/Steam EULA. My "used-game" rule-of-thumb prices <$19.99 for a quality full game, <$9.99 for an expansion. John Lewis > You see, I am very happy to buy (only new) Steam games, but ONLY WHEN > fully discounted to "used-game" prices. Kinda logical considering the > Valve/Steam EULA. My "used-game" rule-of-thumb prices <$19.99 for a > quality full game, <$9.99 for an expansion. You still don't get it Lewis For you what matter is the PRICE! the MONEY! MONEY for you comes always first For me no. For me its my own consumer rights! I'd rather pay 50 BUCKS for HL2 Used 2nd hand than 50 cents for HL2 New Factory sealed Why? Cause when paying Used 2nd hand I'm sure none of my money goes to Valve! and when buying NEW I know I will be giving money to Valve and that NEVER! NEVER! I will never give Money to Valve! NEVER! Its a matter of honor Lewis! >> You see, I am very happy to buy (only new) Steam games, but ONLY WHEN >> fully discounted to "used-game" prices. Kinda logical considering the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I will never give Money to Valve! NEVER! > Its a matter of honor Lewis! LOL. Honour. He has an imagined gripe against Valve and he brings honour into it. >You still don't get it Lewis >For you what matter is the PRICE! the MONEY! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >NEVER! NEVER! >I will never give Money to Valve! NEVER! No matter what you pay for your used copy of HL2, you will criminally violate the HL2 EULA twice once by installing and playing a used-copy of the game and next if you have to use a crack to get the installed copy to work. Sso it seems that by your own admission - >Its a matter of honor Lewis! you are a classic living example of the oft-quoted saying:- "Honor amongst thieves" John Lewis "pc games" <pcgamer23708@yahoo.com> wrote in message ... > I'd rather pay 50 BUCKS for HL2 Used 2nd hand than 50 cents for HL2 > New Factory sealed > Why? > Cause when paying Used 2nd hand I'm sure none of my money goes to > Valve! > and when buying NEW I know I will be giving money to Valve... Actually, if you think about it, you _are_ giving your money to Valve. If I buy HL2 for $50 play it for a bit, then sell it to you for $20; then I've only paid a total of $30 for the time I've been playing the game. But Valve got $50, so who provided the rest? Statements like this show that your arguments are poorly thought-out . > "pc games" <pcgamer23708@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Statements like this show that your arguments are poorly thought-out Better argued/explained is that you KNOWING you would made make your money (or % of it) back from PC Games) meant you decided to pay $50 for the game. So in this case, PC Games is actually ENCOURAGING MORE people to buy the game! So more money for Valve, thanks to PC Games. Does his hypocrisy never, ever stop? >So in this case, PC Games is actually ENCOURAGING MORE people to buy the >game! So more money for Valve, thanks to PC Games. > >Does his hypocrisy never, ever stop? I still can't believe PC Kipper is promoting the use of the second hard market after all the fuss she made about other people doing it in the past. What a screaming hypocrite she turned out to be. SignatureRob > I'll ask AGAIN politely and no, NO I will not shut up until I have a > reply! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And I only want a YES/NO answer and I don't give a damn about what you > feel JUST ANSWER ME YES OR NO! No You will not be able to play as no Win 98 drivers are available for your graphics card. >> Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... >> lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You will not be able to play as no Win 98 drivers are available for your >graphics card. W98 already comes with VGA drivers, which never needed to be updated. Unreal functioned without problem in 640x480 in 16-colour mode at 7FPS. HL should be able to run a bit faster, since it was an earlier game. >>> Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... >>> lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 7FPS. HL should be able to run a bit faster, since it was an earlier > game. And nVidia at least still provide Win98 drivers for Geforce 6xxx and below, cards. I have no idea if you can put DirectX 9 on a 98 machine though, the last time I used Win98 was 7 years ago... Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >>>> Will I be able to install and run the STEAM games I payed for, in... >>>> lets say a years time if I run Windows 98? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I have no idea if you can put DirectX 9 on a 98 machine though, the last > time I used Win98 was 7 years ago... sh.t head has a 7600GT card, which he can't find win98 drivers for. If you only own Half Life, there is no need for steam as most will own the much lauded retail copy. Anything newer and your f.cked to put it bluntly. |
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