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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / May 2007None Valve Games
What is the situation with none-Valve games? What I mean to say is, if you buy a game produced and released by Valve you can register it on Steam and then you have - essentially - got it forever as you can always download it. What I'd like to know is. If you go to a shop and buy a game which is released on Steam, can you register it on Steam and throw away the CD's? > What is the situation with none-Valve games? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What I'd like to know is. If you go to a shop and buy a game which is > released on Steam, can you register it on Steam and throw away the CD's? I bought Prey retail. The DVD has never been out of its case. Registered the serial number to my Steam account and d-loaded it. > I bought Prey retail. The DVD has never been out of its case. > Registered the serial number to my Steam account and d-loaded it. Cool. Have you tried this with any other games? >> What is the situation with none-Valve games? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I bought Prey retail. The DVD has never been out of its case. Registered > the serial number to my Steam account and d-loaded it. I went the other way. I installed HL2 from a mate's CD, then went online to buy my own license - that way I didn't have to download gigabytes of stuff. Or so I thought. By the time I did it, there were so many updated files that I may as well have downloaded from scratch... I should go check the directory dates for Steam. The HL2 install was the first thing I did with my shiny new BB connection... > I should go check the directory dates for Steam. The HL2 install was the > first thing I did with my shiny new BB connection... 2½ years! I should phone up to cancel. I've been on so long, they might think I'm a customer worth keeping and offer me a good deal to stay. > 2½ years! > > I should phone up to cancel. I've been on so long, they might think I'm > a customer worth keeping and offer me a good deal to stay. It's worth bringing up. Maybe after an extended period it's worth mentioning customer loyalty. >>> What is the situation with none-Valve games? >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I should go check the directory dates for Steam. The HL2 install was the > first thing I did with my shiny new BB connection... We have done that similarly at LAN parties when someone's pooched up HL2. If you start over and register Steam and login it will try and dl all your games. We just stop it... copy over all the massive *.GCF files and then start Steam and let it clean them up and add what's missing. Cuts the time down to like 30 minutes as opposed to hours dl-ing the gig's of data.  SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com > What I'd like to know is. If you go to a shop and buy a game which is > released on Steam, can you register it on Steam and throw away the > CD's? Some works some doesn't - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! >> What I'd like to know is. If you go to a shop and buy a game which is >> released on Steam, can you register it on Steam and throw away the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Peter I thought that may be how it would work. Would be nice to know *before* you buy the game. I really like Steam. I'm just not so fond of the inflated prices. It should be less. I mean after all, no distribution, no packaging or manual so why should it cost more on Steam? Anyways. Cheers for the replies chaps. > I really like Steam. I'm just not so fond of the inflated prices. It > should be less. I mean after all, no distribution, no packaging or > manual so why should it cost more on Steam? Hmm maybe because of all the benefits? Anyway if people buy games through Steam no matter the price why lower the price - I wouldn't? - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! > Hmm maybe because of all the benefits? The only benefits of Steam that I'm aware of are: 1. Game is yours. Regardless of the CD damage 2. Can be downloaded any time. 3. Can be purchased and downloaded more quickly. > Anyway if people buy games through Steam no matter the price why lower the > price - I wouldn't? Well I can do nothing about the market economy... I can only vote with my pennies. >>> What I'd like to know is. If you go to a shop and buy a game which is >>> released on Steam, can you register it on Steam and throw away the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Anyways. Cheers for the replies chaps. They gotta pay the coders that wrote it. They gotta pay for the servers to operate on. They gotta pay for the bandwidth. Methinks someone is still makin out like a bandit. McG. > They gotta pay the coders that wrote it. They gotta pay for the servers to > operate on. They gotta pay for the bandwidth. Methinks someone is still > makin out like a bandit. > McG. The price of bandwidth is plummeting. I'd like to see the figures before we argue about it but still. Let's not forget. If Valve get me buying all of their games through Steam they're getting something which is very difficult to buy/earn. Customer loyalty. >> They gotta pay the coders that wrote it. They gotta pay for the servers >> to operate on. They gotta pay for the bandwidth. Methinks someone is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Customer loyalty. Well. They ain't getting that from me. Steam still has to connect to the internet for the games to launch. DOn't even think about telling me how to do it and that it is NOT necessary. It damn well is. I'm still disgruntled about that. Valve said the ONLY time you were required to be connected to the internet was to verify the product on install. They lied. No loyalty to that. McG. > Well. They ain't getting that from me. Steam still has to connect to the > internet for the games to launch. DOn't even think about telling me how to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to that. > McG. I know a lot of people are annoyed at the internet requirement. I have no answer to that. I wont try and contest the internet variable. At the end of the day I think it was a little redemptive of Valve and hasn't gone down well. Me personally, doesn't bother me at all but I realize it bothers some. In the plus side, lots of people who would have had trouble with Half-life and it's sequels don't due to the patches and (now) seamless install. We have Steam to thank for that. Not trying to convince ya, just talkin' here. > In the plus side, lots of people who would have had trouble with > Half-life and it's sequels don't due to the patches and (now) seamless > install. We have Steam to thank for that. > > Not trying to convince ya, just talkin' here. So, anyone else old enough to remember the days when software companies would actually make an effort to debug their programs before pushing them out to the general public? Signature"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush [August 5th, 2004] >> In the plus side, lots of people who would have had trouble with >> Half-life and it's sequels don't due to the patches and (now) seamless [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would actually make an effort to debug their programs before pushing them > out to the general public? When was that? Every major PC game I've owned has some kind of bug patch. I guess I could go all the way back to T/S 1000 daze and talk about Frogger. On cassette tape :-D McG. > So, anyone else old enough to remember the days when software companies > would actually make an effort to debug their programs before pushing > them out to the general public? Yes, but I also can remember far enough back when a software company was a kid in his room with a spectrum or 64 :) >> Well. They ain't getting that from me. Steam still has to connect to >> the internet for the games to launch. DOn't even think about telling me [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Not trying to convince ya, just talkin' here. And plenty of times I've wanted to play but the cable was down. No game in my Steam game list will launch. So if Steam/Valve go under, no more games. At least I have the original HL and OF running seperate from Steam as well as under Steam. McG. > And plenty of times I've wanted to play but the cable was down. No game in > my Steam game list will launch. So if Steam/Valve go under, no more games. > At least I have the original HL and OF running seperate from Steam as well > as under Steam. > McG. I thought American cable was reliable? Blueyonder is, it seems to never go down *touch wood* Although possible I doubt very much that Valve will go under anytime soon. They're a cutting edge software company and not one of these pussy -assed (to use the Americanism) companies rattling out shite mass produced games. By the time Valve go under most of the games I purchases will be old hat. So I wont care. > Although possible I doubt very much that Valve will go under anytime > soon. They're a cutting edge software company and not one of these > pussy -assed (to use the Americanism) companies rattling out shite > mass produced games. So the servers will still be running in 400 years' time when our descendants want to play Half-Life 2 as part of their 21st century History classes? ;) Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk > So the servers will still be running in 400 years' time when our descendants > want to play Half-Life 2 as part of their 21st century History classes? ;) You can never tell with this crazy world. Maybe one day Gordon will be a diety. All praise the Freeman! Hmm I sound like a vortigaunt > Well. They ain't getting that from me. Steam still has to connect to > the internet for the games to launch. DOn't even think about telling me > how to do it and that it is NOT necessary. It damn well is. I'm still > disgruntled about that. Valve said the ONLY time you were required to be > connected to the internet was to verify the product on install. They > lied. No loyalty to that. Last time I connected to the internet was when I purchased GMOD10 on 13 April. I play CS:S against the bots once or twice a week, and my son does some messing about in GMOD with the same frequency. A couple of weeks ago I started a new HL2 run-through, but after playing it every night for a week, I've had to get on with some work so that has stalled. Having said all that, there have been a couple of occasions (perhaps three) in the 2½ years where I've been unable to play offline without first grabbing an update. No idea what the trigger was, but it was no big deal. If I'd never played any online games, that figure might have been higher, who knows... > What is the situation with none-Valve games? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What I'd like to know is. If you go to a shop and buy a game which is > released on Steam, can you register it on Steam and throw away the CD's? Just wait for the next developer to come out with this sort of delivery system. Then the competition will kick in. re: Just wait for the next developer to come out with this sort of delivery system. Then the competition will kick in. Do what I did, log on to Electronic Arts and tell them that their system is crap compared to Valve. And I agree about the high prices on Steam, I preordered Dark Messiah on Steam - it was cheaper to buy the disc from play, so now I have to sit here with the calculator to find out where I am getting the best deal from! I do think that it's a bit crap about the online requirement, I cannot get my mobile PC to fire up HL2 with no net connection. > re: Just wait for the next developer to come out with this sort of > delivery [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > play, so now I have to sit here with the calculator to find out where I am > getting the best deal from! But that's the same in every walk of life. Just because Valve is the distributor, it doesn't mean it's the cheapest - nor does it have to be. I've lost count of the number of game discs I've lost or scratched in the big gap between their installation and their reinstallation on a new machine. I'm not a Steam apologist. I like it, but I acknowledge that what works for me doesn't necessarily work for everyone. If you have the choice to buy on disc from Play.com or discless from Steam, that's a good thing, surely? >> re: Just wait for the next developer to come out with this sort of >> delivery [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > buy on disc from Play.com or discless from Steam, that's a good thing, > surely? I think one reason Steam is more expensive than retail stores is to do with a legal agreement between Valve and EA, that Valve are not to undermine EA's sales by going under the RRP. I can remember reading some article(s) when Steam was in beta stages which had suggested that Steam was originally intended to be a cheaper way of buying games - because of the huge saving in publishing costs. unfortunately, that hasn't happened. SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench > I think one reason Steam is more expensive than retail stores is to do > with a legal agreement between Valve and EA, that Valve are not to > undermine EA's sales by going under the RRP. I can remember reading some > article(s) when Steam was in beta stages which had suggested that Steam > was originally intended to be a cheaper way of buying games - because of > the huge saving in publishing costs. unfortunately, that hasn't happened. Yea, isn't capitalism cool. > I think one reason Steam is more expensive than retail stores is to do > with a legal agreement between Valve and EA, that Valve are not to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > because of the huge saving in publishing costs. unfortunately, that > hasn't happened. That's right. Wasn't the released of Half-life2 delayed because of this? (amongst other things) I was wondering what the deal was. I knew Valve wanted to distribute themselves but this makes sense. > re: Just wait for the next developer to come out with this sort of > delivery [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > online requirement, I cannot get my mobile PC to fire up HL2 with no net > connection. Froogle is good for finding the cheapest games. The price will only differ a few pounds after play.com who are generally pretty good but sometimes they're outdone. > re: Just wait for the next developer to come out with this sort of > delivery [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > online requirement, I cannot get my mobile PC to fire up HL2 with no net > connection. Lord, unplug your freakin modem. re: Lord, unplug your freakin modem The Pc was running without a modem or an ethernet connection to T'web. I will plug it in to the net again though to see if steam simply requires an update for it to work, as far as having a choice between CD and download, yes that is great, especially when you can enter the keycode to download from steam servers without having to use your disc, Prey is a perfect example. Ah, f.ck this. Don't type pseudo swearing at me you f.cking spastic untermensch W???n. > The Pc was running without a modem or an ethernet connection to T'web. I > will plug it in to the net again though to see if steam simply requires an > update for it to work... There appears to be something in the update news about a fix to the "updating software" message. My latest update brought in about five months of changes, though, so I stopped reading once I saw that one, which was released just yesterday (if I'm reading it right). >> The Pc was running without a modem or an ethernet connection to T'web. >> I will plug it in to the net again though to see if steam simply [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > months of changes, though, so I stopped reading once I saw that one, > which was released just yesterday (if I'm reading it right). There was a patch to Steam yesterday: I was going to quote the fix notes but steampowered.com is down??! >>> The Pc was running without a modem or an ethernet connection to >>> T'web. I will plug it in to the net again though to see if steam [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I was going to quote the fix notes but steampowered.com is down??! http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=1061&s=0,7,9,34,38,7 9&cc=GB&client=1 >> re: Just wait for the next developer to come out with this sort of >> delivery [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Lord, unplug your freakin modem. The Lord doesn't use internet. He has omni vision, f00[1] Now get a proper response or don't post. [1] In Jesus takes Manhattan, The return of Jesus - By several uncredited and supposedly mythical disciples |
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