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Who's up for an old fashioned HLDM one evening next week???
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Cannon Fodder - 17 Sep 2006 00:25 GMT "The Rats Cat House" is up and running.... I can leave work at 2pm CDT and have the server ready at 3pm CST or 9pm UK time....... Don't wimp out on me... Three Rats maps and three maps of choice..... --
Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who, against all logic and common sense, believe that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing people will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun.
Steve Evans - 17 Sep 2006 06:42 GMT >"The Rats Cat House" is up and running.... I can leave work at 2pm CDT and have >the server ready at 3pm CST or 9pm UK time....... Don't wimp out on me... Three >Rats maps and three maps of choice..... I'm in...where are rats maps?
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Steve Evans - 17 Sep 2006 06:53 GMT >>"The Rats Cat House" is up and running.... I can leave work at 2pm CDT and have >>the server ready at 3pm CST or 9pm UK time....... Don't wimp out on me... Three [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >steve <AT> steveevans <DOT> org >- First time I've run HL1 in ages, and boy does it look ancient!
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Data Banks - 17 Sep 2006 08:36 GMT heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY opinion) is that innocent people have no defense, the whackos, loonies and assorted other arseholes are still fully armed. And if you do arm yourself for protection, you get called criminal
/me drops 2c in the jar
> "The Rats Cat House" is up and running.... I can leave work at 2pm CDT and > have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and > killing people will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun. Jahwe - 17 Sep 2006 08:59 GMT > heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY opinion) > is that innocent people have no defense, the whackos, loonies and assorted > other arseholes are still fully armed. And if you do arm yourself for > protection, you get called criminal > > /me drops 2c in the jar In countries where there is gun control, there are significantly less gun related crimes and accidents.
JAB - 17 Sep 2006 09:20 GMT >> heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY opinion) >> is that innocent people have no defense, the whackos, loonies and assorted [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > In countries where there is gun control, there are significantly less gun > related crimes and accidents. People kill people Jahwe guns don't kill people that's why I believe that every citizen should have the right to bear thermo-nuclear weapons. Can you imagine what would happen if Iran invaded?
Obviously you have to have some controls in place, can't have any old nutter being in charge of the destruction of the plant can we, so I would suggest a form with some simple questions:
Are you a whacko, loony, liberal or have you every appeared on a reality TV show?
Have you every tried to overthrow the government of another state by the use of force - not including those owned by those nasty A-rabs?
Would you describe you favourite music as a bit of good old Dolly Parton or that low down son-of-a-bitch Snoopy Dog or what ever he calls himself these days?
Jahwe - 17 Sep 2006 12:27 GMT >>> heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY >>> opinion) is that innocent people have no defense, the whackos, loonies [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > every citizen should have the right to bear thermo-nuclear weapons. Can > you imagine what would happen if Iran invaded? Sorry, didn't think about that... So silly of me.
> Obviously you have to have some controls in place, can't have any old > nutter being in charge of the destruction of the plant can we, so I would [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > or that low down son-of-a-bitch Snoopy Dog or what ever he calls himself > these days? What a good idea!
Iphigenie - 17 Sep 2006 10:39 GMT > heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY > opinion) is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > /me drops 2c in the jar Since this all go derailed again and its been ages since i had a chance to argue with CF...
Wouldnt trust my neighbours with a gun. Dont want to be shot going into my garden cause they think there's an intruder. Wouldnt trust *myself* with a gun either.
None of us are totally 100% sane and 100% innocent and none of us can be trusted to be reasonable when angry or frightened. Thats why they train cops and soldiers and even those sometimes blow a fuse or make mistakes :(
If only normal people got the training in reasonable use of weapons! But no, you do get innocent people getting road rage and shooting other people with their "defensive" gun. Or shooting some kid for poaching apples, hardly a capital offense!
And usually, once someone pulls a gun the situation rarely improves. It does not calm down things (only in films!) it does send the "nothing to lose now" signal and things usually get out of control quickly.
Do I think guns should be illegal? no. Do i think there should be some sort of permit that is harder to get than a drivers license? yes. Innocent people can be asked to get training and a license that seems fair.
Definitively wouldnt trust myself with a gun at home.
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Jahwe - 17 Sep 2006 12:29 GMT >> heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY >> opinion) is [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Definitively wouldnt trust myself with a gun at home. You obviously hadn't read JAB's post!
G Hardy - 17 Sep 2006 12:48 GMT > None of us are totally 100% sane and 100% innocent and none of us can be > trusted > to be reasonable when angry or frightened. Thats why they train cops and > soldiers > and even those sometimes blow a fuse or make mistakes :( http://lerman.biz/pics/Gallery36.html
Data Banks - 17 Sep 2006 13:09 GMT >> heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY >> opinion) is [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Definitively wouldnt trust myself with a gun at home. Well, true, training is a MUST. not just how to use it, but WHEN to use it.But I'd still rather the creeps doing house invasions over here lately NOT have access to Saturday Night Specials when they come in the window, thanks. But since they do, I'd like to be able to do something about it. If they pull a gun on me in my own house & I defend myself, it used to put ME in the legal sh.t! Not sure what happens now - the laws have been toughened for and against the home-owner/resident so many times now.
Cannon Fodder - 18 Sep 2006 01:01 GMT In the US you can buy a handgun after an FBI check which includes all local law enforcement agencies but must be kept at home or transported in the trunk of your car unloaded... To get a Concealed Weapon Licence is much more difficult even in Texas.... It takes three months during which time you must attend a 10 hour CWL class... Before taking the class you must demonstrate your knowledge and ability in gun safety... The class is primarily on Texas law involving use of Deadly force which is legal here to protect yourself and others against bodily harm and to protect your property... It also teaches you to defuse situations before deadly force becomes necessary.... A written test is given in which you must score 100% and a marksmanship test firing 50 rounds at a man sized target at different distances... I have carried a gun for 30 years and have never pulled it out of my pocket and would only do so to protect my or someone elses life.... I have insurance for my property so, in my opinion, there is no reason for deadly force to protect it....... Oh, the licence is only good for four years and must be renewed with the same class as getting a new one... I just renewed mine last saturday....
>> heh, your sig is SO true! All gun control means (this is just MY >> opinion) is [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >Definitively wouldnt trust myself with a gun at home. Iphigenie - 18 Sep 2006 08:37 GMT > In the US you can buy a handgun after an FBI check which includes all > local law [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > one... I > just renewed mine last saturday.... Can't argue with that at all.
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Data Banks - 18 Sep 2006 10:49 GMT >> In the US you can buy a handgun after an FBI check which includes all >> local law [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Can't argue with that at all. same here. Well trained in using the weapon & how to avoid using it for as long as possible :) It's the blackmarket users that are the worry - the ones laws have no effect on. No training & usually no brain either.
Agree about the property thing, too - property can be replaced. Lives cant. But out-right banning guns just puts them in the wrong hands.
Civilian_Target - 18 Sep 2006 10:42 GMT > In the US you can buy a handgun after an FBI check which includes all local law > enforcement agencies but must be kept at home or transported in the trunk of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > for four years and must be renewed with the same class as getting a new one... I > just renewed mine last saturday.... And the US has a substantially lower population density than pretty much anywhere in Europe (even lower than Ireland!) so it's substantially harder for the government to afford sufficient protection to all property, hence allowing the use of deadly force and providing the tools for it.
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Iphigenie - 18 Sep 2006 11:17 GMT > And the US has a substantially lower population density than pretty much > anywhere in Europe (even lower than Ireland!) so it's substantially > harder for the government to afford sufficient protection to all > property, hence allowing the use of deadly force and providing the tools > for it. Wait a minute - i don't see how you could justify deadly force in defense of property - the death penalty for attempting to steal a car or some jewelry? Think insurance, not killing.
Now of course in defense of possible grievous bodily harm - that's a different proposition
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Cannon Fodder - 23 Sep 2006 01:55 GMT Well, so much for a fun game of HLDM.... Thanks guys.... I guess our old tradition is dead....
Stri - 23 Sep 2006 13:15 GMT > Well, so much for a fun game of HLDM.... Thanks guys.... > I guess our old tradition is dead.... Times change CF. I'm sure the bash will be reincarnated in another form some other time.
Shame they made a pigs ear of HL2:DM as it might have been that but I wasn't going to install Half-life just for one bash.
Ben Cottrell - 23 Sep 2006 13:20 GMT > Well, so much for a fun game of HLDM.... Thanks guys.... > I guess our old tradition is dead.... Sorry, CF, i've had a busy fortnight (and, as it seems for now, a shared net connection which gets saturated on a daily basis) - although i've no idea when it was supposed to be, I thought you normally did those things on sundays?
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Lief - 23 Sep 2006 16:30 GMT > > Well, so much for a fun game of HLDM.... Thanks guys.... > > I guess our old tradition is dead.... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > idea when it was supposed to be, I thought you normally did those things > on sundays? I work shifts right now,fri, sat, or sun evening would be better for me, be good to tau whore some of ya again...
Not interested in HL2 DM, as it sucks goat balls.
Gis a date as above an I be there nps ;p
Civilian_Target - 05 Oct 2006 01:15 GMT > Well, so much for a fun game of HLDM.... Thanks guys.... > I guess our old tradition is dead.... Yeah, 'fraid so Mr. Fodder. I really do enjoy a game, and I'd love to try it but my life's upside-down at the moment and I don't enjoy stable net access so I can't commit to anything :(
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Cannon Fodder - 19 Sep 2006 02:51 GMT Hum.... I may be wromg but I thought in Switzerland all men at 18 were subject to conscription into the military and were obligated to serve until age 40... During their service both actice and in reserve they were to keep their weapon at home.... Don't you have any neighborhood men between these ages??? Why don't you trust yourself??? Maybe ya need some counciling.... Never pulled my gun but have had a few situations that turned out better because I had it... About 3 months ago I I went to the corner convience store for some milk... When I came outside there were three "Katrina" types that asked "Hey old man, do ya have some money for us"... I told them no go get a job... They started to advance and I put my hand in my pocket and told them it would be wise if they stopped... They could tell from my eye contact that I was right... They were really stupid because I went back inside and called 911 and the cops arrested all three on warrents from Louisiana.......
>Since this all go derailed again and its been ages since i had a chance to >argue [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Definitively wouldnt trust myself with a gun at home. acercanto - 19 Sep 2006 09:16 GMT That's what I thought too, about the Swiss draft. That's also why I really want to move there at some point, because they have the beeeautiful SIG series of assault rifles that I hear just about everyone owns. Guess I'll just have to make believe with my sexy SIG 552 airsoft gun.
Mmm, gun pr0n: http://www.airsoftklub.sk/clanok.php?id=31
Real steel: http://www.airsoftextreme.com/gallery/albums/SHOT-Show/Sig552_Gemtech_silencer.jpg Airsoft: http://www.airsoftgun.ru/articles/airsoft_weapon_review/zig552/img09.jpg Anywho, good story. It's nice to know that there's responsible people out there that are carrying.
Cheers, Acercanto
> Hum.... I may be wromg but I thought in Switzerland all men at 18 were subject > to conscription into the military and were obligated to serve until age 40... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > because I went back inside and called 911 and the cops arrested all three on > warrents from Louisiana....... Iphigenie - 20 Sep 2006 00:45 GMT > Hum.... I may be wromg but I thought in Switzerland all men at 18 were > subject [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > weapon > at home.... Don't you have any neighborhood men between these ages??? Yes, i actually did trust my neighbours in Switzerland. England is a different place though - lots of people with poor impulse control
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Cannon Fodder - 20 Sep 2006 02:01 GMT Ah, didn't know you had migrated.... Understand your concern... Don't think I'd feel confortable with a bunch of drunken Brits totting guns next door.... Probably have to think about setting up a minefield between us... :)
>Yes, i actually did trust my neighbours in Switzerland. England is a >different place though - lots of people with poor impulse control Iphigenie - 21 Sep 2006 12:07 GMT > Ah, didn't know you had migrated.... Understand your > concern... Don't think I'd feel confortable with a bunch of > drunken Brits totting guns next door.... Probably have to > think about setting up a minefield between us... :) I don't think mines are legal in england either, I'm afraid. Unless you're selling them to foreign governments, that is, then maybe you could call is a show field and get away with it. But the whole point is moot because the british pack there houses so tightly you cant fit even one mine between houses.
But that's all right there's probably 25 cameras watching your street at any one time. They'll at least record what happens to you so it can be shown on some tv show later. I think I trust that even less, cause frankly i doubt they employ stellar people to man the surveillance screens.
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Lief - 21 Sep 2006 13:22 GMT > shown on some tv show later. I think I trust that even less, cause frankly > i doubt they employ stellar people to man the surveillance screens. I'd bet its a minimum wage job, which obviously means they will have quality staff.....
Jimbob - 17 Sep 2006 11:57 GMT > "The Rats Cat House" is up and running.... I can leave work at 2pm CDT and have > the server ready at 3pm CST or 9pm UK time....... Don't wimp out on me... Three > Rats maps and three maps of choice..... What day are you thinking?
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