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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / September 2006Moderation of forums on Steampowered
The recent introduction of "popcap games" to Steam has caused a furore over on Steampowered. Any threads criticising Valve for introducing this measure have been closed for "trolling" or just closed with no explanation. I am surprised at both the draconian response to the exercise of free speech on this issue ( I understand Valve pay for these forums to be hosted and hence have a right to censor as they see fit) and the willingness of "volunteer" mods (read: fanboys) to do Valve's dirty work for them. If this is the "future" of online distribution, then I am afraid to say that sTeamKiller and John Lewis were right all along. > The recent introduction of "popcap games" to Steam has caused a furore over > on Steampowered. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If this is the "future" of online distribution, then I am afraid to say that > sTeamKiller and John Lewis were right all along. It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet Explorer v7? Offline reading mode is gone, view source command is gone from the right-click menu etc etc. The corporate fascist state is well on its way to full implementation. And just wait until Vista hits the street. Yikes. The world is being divided into two groups: free men and corporate slaves. Ya missed a group, it's known as "The whining little piss ants"... Why did you forget your obvious family group??? >It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet >Explorer v7? Offline reading mode is gone, view source [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The world is being divided into two groups: free men and >corporate slaves. -- Jack Harney AKA "Cannon Fodder" AKA "Grumpy Old Fart AKA "Certified Senior Curmudgeon" From Civ - 5 "I have the cultural tact of a Cuban Pig" AGHL points for your effort.... Gracefully accepted :) > Ya missed a group, it's known as "The whining little piss ants"... Why did you > forget your obvious family group??? CF do you make friends easily? :)  SignatureStri.tk >> Ya missed a group, it's known as "The whining little piss ants"... Why >> did you >> forget your obvious family group??? > > CF do you make friends easily? :) They usually wake up a lot friendliER after he uses that crowbar on em a couple times :) McG . > >> Ya missed a group, it's known as "The whining little piss ants"... Why > >> did you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > They usually wake up a lot friendliER after he uses that crowbar on em a > couple times :) All I can say is, the 30% of this country who to support the installation of Bush's corporate fascist state better not stand in the way of the 70% who will make sure it never happens. CF won't be the one using a crowbar. > All I can say is, the 30% of this country who to support the > installation of Bush's corporate fascist state better not stand > in the way of the 70% who will make sure it never happens. > CF won't be the one using a crowbar. More like 25% now, from what I hear. <g> Signature-- * Meow. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk > All I can say is, the 30% of this country who to support the > installation of Bush's corporate fascist state better not stand > in the way of the 70% who will make sure it never happens. > CF won't be the one using a crowbar. But didn't they say that last time there was a George Bush in power? .. :p SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench > > All I can say is, the 30% of this country who to support the > > installation of Bush's corporate fascist state better not stand > > in the way of the 70% who will make sure it never happens. > > CF won't be the one using a crowbar. > > But didn't they say that last time there was a George Bush in power? .. :p The last George Bush had a conscience, wasn't an emotionally retarded six year-old or a mass murdering war criminal, he didn't lie to the American people about the need for war, and he got where he was because of who he is and not because of who he was related to. > "Ben Cottrell" <bench@bench333.screaming.net> wrote in message >>> All I can say is, the 30% of this country who to support the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > he got where he was because of who he is and not because > of who he was related to. Not to mention he had the decency to not rig the elections *and* to screw off after one term. ;) Signature-- * Meow. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk HehHeh, I know that 70%... They're the ones who can't even find Iraq on a map, can't name the Vice President or a Supreme Court Justice and believe they should be taken care of from the womb to the tomb... I make a point of never arguing with an idiot... They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience... >> >> Ya missed a group, it's known as "The whining little piss ants"... Why >> >> did you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >in the way of the 70% who will make sure it never happens. >CF won't be the one using a crowbar. -- Jack Harney AKA "Cannon Fodder" AKA "Grumpy Old Fart AKA "Certified Senior Curmudgeon" From Civ - 5 "I have the cultural tact of a Cuban Pig" AGHL points for your effort.... Gracefully accepted :) > HehHeh, I know that 70%... They're the ones who can't even find Iraq > on a map, Next to Iran. ;) In ancient times, the seat of the Persian Empire (before Alexander the Great kicked the ever-living crap out of them. <g>) > can't name the Vice President or a Supreme Court Justice Being a Brit, I shouldn't need to. <g> > and believe they should be taken care of from the womb to the tomb... Well, I do believe that education and healthcare are basic human rights and shouldn't be restricted only to people who can afford to pay for them. > I make a point of never arguing with an idiot... They'll just drag > you down to their level and beat you with experience... Guess that's why people don't argue with Bush then ;) Signature-- * Meow. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk > HehHeh, I know that 70%... They're the ones who can't even find Iraq on a map, > can't name the Vice President or a Supreme Court Justice and believe they should > be taken care of from the womb to the tomb... I make a point of never arguing > with an idiot... They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with > experience... Its true on both sides I would have said. I always think one of the most amazing statistics about the USA is that 70% of Americans will never go abroad in their lifetime. Dunno how accurate it is but I've heard it from a number of different sources and it scares me! Your opinion may not be the same as most people on this forum CF, myself included, but at least you have the experience to back it up. Interestingly, do you think Bush will nuke Iran? Civilian_Target > Its true on both sides I would have said. I always think one of the > most amazing statistics about the USA is that 70% of Americans will > never go abroad in their lifetime. Dunno how accurate it is but I've > heard it from a number of different sources and it scares me! I suspect a large part of that 70% won't go abroad because they can't afford to, mind <g> I'd travel a lot if I had money. Not that I'm American, but I figure there are just as large a proportion there as here who are either stuck in low-wage jobs or can't get a job at all. Signature-- * Meow. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk We don't travel abroad as much as Brits and Euros since we have plenty of variety here... Your traveling to another country is like us going to a different state.... I still have states that I haven't visted such as the north west , Alaska and Hawaii... We also have the Carribean Islands near by.... President Bush nor any other American President will nuke anyone unless we get nuked first.... Iran will take care of it self... There are too many Iranians unhappy with their current leaders... I have several Irani friends who have assured me of this..... When things settle down in Afghanistan and Iraq and the people start reaping the benefits of their new freedoms Iran will change... >Its true on both sides I would have said. I always think one of the most >amazing statistics about the USA is that 70% of Americans will never go [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Civilian_Target -- Jack Harney AKA "Cannon Fodder" AKA "Grumpy Old Fart AKA "Certified Senior Curmudgeon" From Civ - 5 "I have the cultural tact of a Cuban Pig" AGHL points for your effort.... Gracefully accepted :) >We don't travel abroad as much as Brits and Euros since we have plenty of >variety here... Your traveling to another country is like us going to a >different state.... I still have states that I haven't visted such as the north >west , Alaska and Hawaii... We also have the Carribean Islands near by.... Traveling around Europe/most of the rest of the world is completely different to traveling around the States. Travel a few hundred miles in Europe gets you another language, very different scenery, different customs, different shops and food. A few hundred miles in the States gets you a couple of towns down the Freeway with the same language, fast food joints, shops & hotels. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy traveling around the States, have been to about 7 of them so far, but going from AZ to CA gets you a change of scenery, not a broadening of horizons like real foreign travel gives you - something that George Bush is badly missing out on. SignatureAndrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. > President Bush nor any other American President will nuke anyone unless we > get > nuked first.... You mean in the future, right...? > President Bush nor any other American President will nuke anyone > unless we get nuked first.... I dunno, they attacked Iraq without being attacked first... Signature-- * Meow. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk > I dunno, they attacked Iraq without being attacked first... No nukes :) - Peter >> I dunno, they attacked Iraq without being attacked first... >> > No nukes :) > > - Peter True. Just bloody big bombs. Signature-- * Meow. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk > Interestingly, do you think Bush will nuke Iran? nuke huge oilfields? think twice. SignatureIphigenie -- aka Zenaide -- aka Azzurre dusty old site on http://www.iphi.net >> Interestingly, do you think Bush will nuke Iran? > > nuke huge oilfields? think twice. Not big nukes. Just wee little tactical nukes. I don't see why he wouldn't to be honest... (not that I think he should) Civilian_Target > Not big nukes. Just wee little tactical nukes. I don't see why he > wouldn't to be honest... (not that I think he should) Hmm, I don't think that self-illuminated gasoline will be a big sell? - Peter SignatureHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! > It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet > Explorer v7? Offline reading mode is gone, view source [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The world is being divided into two groups: free men and > corporate slaves. Note to self, stick with 2K/XP and IE 6. EB, uses View Source from time to time... <g> Signature-- * BBBBBBOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOCCCCCCCKKKKKKKSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >> It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet >> Explorer v7? Offline reading mode is gone, view source [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > EB, uses View Source from time to time... <g> If you view source a lot, used Firefox with the Web Developer extension? It rocks: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ SignaturePiG$$ Currently playing : with self :-/ Always playing : CS:Source, CS >>> It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet >>> Explorer v7? Offline reading mode is gone, view source [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ > http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ I haven't, but I've got Firefox, worth a look eh? Signature-- * BBBBBBOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOCCCCCCCKKKKKKKSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >>>> It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet >>>> Explorer v7? Offline reading mode is gone, view source [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I haven't, but I've got Firefox, worth a look eh? If you are into web design or seeing/controlling pages, try it. Voted one of the top extensions. SignaturePiG$$ Currently playing : Stubbs the Zombie, GTA:San Andreas Always playing : CS:Source, CS Are they really removing view source? that is absurd! Both firefox and opera are so far above ie they're not even in the same league. Out of the box opera actually rocks and beats firefox - firefox needs about a dozen add ons and then it rocks too :) SignatureIphigenie -- aka Zenaide -- aka Azzurre dusty old site on http://www.iphi.net > Are they really removing view source? that is absurd! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Out of the box opera actually rocks and beats firefox - firefox needs > about a dozen add ons and then it rocks too :) MS didn't remove it altogether, they just took it off IE's right-click menu. The function can still be accessed via the top menu bars. A far more insidious change in IE7 is the removal of offline reading mode. It's going to wreak havoc on students and anyone else who can't stay online for hours researching a topic of interest. > Are they really removing view source? that is absurd! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Out of the box opera actually rocks and beats firefox - firefox needs > about a dozen add ons and then it rocks too :) What addons do you have for firefox? I think the only one I use is FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on them :) SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench > > Are they really removing view source? that is absurd! > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on > them :) I have one that has a thotbot search box and also one that shows an image of the page when hovering over a tab (great for when using multiple tabs). I think thats about it for me. Although i havn't got anything at the moment, my hard drive which had XP installed on has gone kaput, but thats a story for another day. > What addons do you have for firefox? I think the only one I use is > FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on them :) I haven't really explored the world of Firefox extensions, but one I'm finding handy is NoScript, which prevents JavaScript applications running unless you allow them, via a nice simple popup menu from an icon bottom-right. I know you can block JavaScript altogether in Firefox, but a lot of sites won't run properly without it. NoScript lets you assess the dodginess level for yourself :) -- Paul >> What addons do you have for firefox? I think the only one I >> use is FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > properly without it. NoScript lets you assess the dodginess > level for yourself :) If you like that one, get adblock and the adblock updater. SignaturePiG$$ Currently playing : Stubbs the Zombie, GTA:San Andreas Always playing : CS:Source, CS > What addons do you have for firefox? I think the only one I use is > FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on > them :) Thanks, Ben - that one looks like it will be worth a look. For internet access, I'm running a 500MHz PIII with 192MB RAM so these auto-starting flash adverts really stop the system from responding sometimes. >>What addons do you have for firefox? I think the only one I use is >>FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > access, I'm running a 500MHz PIII with 192MB RAM so these auto-starting > flash adverts really stop the system from responding sometimes. Yeah, that was one of the reasons I installed it too. I actually tried uninstalling flash completely, unfortunately that didn't work, because every time you go to a webpage that uses flash, IE and firefox both pop up messages telling you to install it again (which turned out to be even more annoying than the adverts themselves..) SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench >What addons do you have for firefox? I think the only one I use is >FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on >them :) Adblock is my favourite, from what I have seen of Opera recently, it still can't do what Adblock does. SignatureAndrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. >> What addons do you have for firefox? I think the only one I use is >> FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on >> them :) > > Adblock is my favourite, from what I have seen of Opera recently, it > still can't do what Adblock does. Agreed, AdBlock is Teh P0wnage ;-) Other than that, Mouse gestures is the bomb when it comes to web browsing. right-click+drag left for back, right-click+drag down and right close tab, totally indispensable.There used to be a GCache plugin that added an option to the right-click menu to see the Google Cache of that page, but it hasn't been updated for the last few versions of FF. My $0.02, Acercanto >> Are they really removing view source? that is absurd! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > FlashBlock, which ensures that flash objects only run when I click on > them :) AdBlock Plus Gmail Notifier FlashGot TabBrowser Preferences FireFTP FasterFox Videodownloader That's just the work PC. at home I got more now to allow me to download videos from Youtube to FLV files then convert them. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com > Are they really removing view source? that is absurd! > > Both firefox and opera are so far above ie they're not even in the same > league. No way man, Firefox all the way. Opera spams me (albeit in a relatively unobtrusive manner) where as firefox just goes. SignatureStri.tk > If you view source a lot, used Firefox with the Web Developer > extension? It rocks: FF with Web Developer Extensions rocks and the best thing happened to mankind since the invention of women - Peter >> It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet >> Explorer v7? Offline reading mode is gone, view source [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > EB, uses View Source from time to time... <g> Offline viewing has been discontinued, but "View Source" is still very much alive and well. It works from the View Menu _and_ from the context (right click) menu. > "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > much alive and well. It works from the View Menu _and_ from the > context (right click) menu. Presumably the offline viewing's been removed because 1) it was never really very effective or consistent and 2) most people by now can at least avail themselves of broadband even if they choose not to. Signature-- * You can't fight in here, this is the War Room! Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk > It's the way things are going. Have you seen Internet > Explorer v7? Yep running 7.0.5450.4 atm > Offline reading mode is gone, Which seldom worked anyway You can still save pages as a webarchive > view source command is gone from the right-click menu Called "View Source" and is present in the right click menu and works like a charm You do know that the shortcut menu for images is slightly different than the menu when you're above HTML sourcecode, right? > etc etc. Anything else you want to whine about? Thanks/Peter > The recent introduction of "popcap games" to Steam has caused a furore over > on Steampowered. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If this is the "future" of online distribution, then I am afraid to say that > sTeamKiller and John Lewis were right all along. Why? What has stopping people repeating the same FUD got to do with Steam the delivery agent? The Forums and Steam are not the same entity. > The recent introduction of "popcap games" to Steam has caused a furore > over on Steampowered. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If this is the "future" of online distribution, then I am afraid to say > that sTeamKiller and John Lewis were right all along. Just read your post on the forums, Schro....well i admit it made me grin! http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=1bb6a3b7521972cff4ae6dcca e2ae563&threadid=480525 >The recent introduction of "popcap games" to Steam has caused a furore over >on Steampowered. Why? What is the problem with them? >Any threads criticising Valve for introducing this measure have been closed >for "trolling" or just closed with no explanation. If they are just a bunch of tossers like SK whinging, then good, I wish someone could moderate SK on Usenet. SignatureAndrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. Quoth The Raven; Schrodinger <no@way.com> in <WHpJg.157310$1Q6.111440@fe04.news.easynews.com> > The recent introduction of "popcap games" to Steam has caused a > furore over on Steampowered. what's popcap games? SignatureRemove the _CURSING to reply to me User Error: Replace user, hit any key to continue. > Quoth The Raven; Schrodinger <no@way.com> in > <WHpJg.157310$1Q6.111440@fe04.news.easynews.com> >> The recent introduction of "popcap games" to Steam has caused a >> furore over on Steampowered. > > what's popcap games? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PopCap_Games Here's a famous example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bejeweled Basically old-school mental games, quite fun. I'd have bought a few if only they weren't so damn expensive. > Any threads criticising Valve for introducing this measure have been closed > for "trolling" or just closed with no explanation. If the language used is the usual crap you find on SF I understand why they closed threads If my kids ever did stuff like that their PC's would be gone forever Being contructive/informative having valid points is a completely different ball game but you just don't find any threads like that on SF > I am surprised at both the draconian response to the exercise of free speech > on this issue ( I understand Valve pay for these forums to be hosted and > hence have a right to censor as they see fit) and the willingness of > "volunteer" mods (read: fanboys) to do Valve's dirty work for them. There's nothing called "Free Speech" on a webforum, live with it Do you want/like Free Speech? Use usenet > If this is the "future" of online distribution, then I am afraid to say that > sTeamKiller and John Lewis were right all along. I am bit suprised that Valve hasn't shut down SF ages ago Maybe they have a rather bizarre sense of humour? - Peter > If the language used is the usual crap you find on SF I understand why > they closed threads > If my kids ever did stuff like that their PC's would be gone forever > > Being contructive/informative having valid points is a completely > different ball game but you just don't find any threads like that on SF Very true. It's obvious there's a lot of complaining going on (sometimes justified), but unfortunately too many people (on the Steam forums at least) can't put their issues into a manner which is polite, non-offensive, non-insulting and mature/constructive. That and the fact that when 30 threads are all about how to remove demos from the My Games list, you can understand why the mods might want to keep topics to one or two threads only. > There's nothing called "Free Speech" on a webforum, live with it > > Do you want/like Free Speech? > Use usenet Look how effective that is sometimes (looking at 'pc gamer') > I am bit suprised that Valve hasn't shut down SF ages ago > Maybe they have a rather bizarre sense of humour? They've got to have some place for Steam forums. Plus with more and more 3rd-party games coming to Steam, it makes sense for it to be a central repository for finding "help". Perhaps the mods need to be a little more... aggressive with certain members? >Perhaps the mods need to be a little more... aggressive with certain >members? Most busy forums have their disruptive and antisocial members. The Steam forums seem to attract a high percentage of youngsters, some of which haven't yet developed the necessary social skills to enable them to interact properly with others. Such forums need to be moderated by trained people. I would have expected a company the size of Valve to have a CRM overseeing their boards. I'm not knocking the VM's because it can't be an easy job, but sometimes one or two of them seem a little "amateur" in the way conduct themselves. -- Rob > I am bit suprised that Valve hasn't shut down SF ages ago > Maybe they have a rather bizarre sense of humour? Well I suspect if they didnt have that kind of forum then the same thing would happen on some third party forum and it would be even worse for valve. SignatureIphigenie -- aka Zenaide -- aka Azzurre dusty old site on http://www.iphi.net > Well I suspect if they didnt have that kind of forum then the same thing > would happen on some > third party forum and it would be even worse for valve. There's plentyfull of HL/Valve related websites and even more active HL/Valve related webforums The worst place is still the Steampowered Forums I don't envy the moderators as the number of postings is massive - Peter Go to Steam forums and do a search for Sir_Fragsalot posts. He has posted several messages about the moderator abuse. He even started a thread and asked users to PM him if their thread had been closed or deleted. Obviously that one got closed and edited too!! I stopped using their forums weeks ago because of their moderator abuse. And their moderators are very uneducated when it comes to helping people with problems. I found it was much better to go directly to Steam support with my help issues, although it takes 5 days to get an answer! :) If you have a problem with Steam, send it directly to them. They had some kind of contact listed on their website for that. Stay away from the Steam forums. It is a waste of time. > Go to Steam forums and do a search for Sir_Fragsalot posts. He has posted > several messages about the moderator abuse. Are the moderators Steam employees? "G Hardy" <gareth.hardy1@ntlwrold.com> wrote in message news:3WBRg.42804$WV2.947@newsfe2-> Are the moderators Steam employees? LOL.....of course not. They are little kids with alot of free time on their hands. They don't know how to treat people and most of them are getting the "power feeling" for the first time in their young lives LOL. They have so many moderators now that it really only the moderators that are doing the replying to posts. When they close your thread the moderators often use the excuse that "your question was answered" and they just simply won't let anyone else talk about anything. I just wished more people would use these newsgroups instead of Steam's forums. I posted a message on Steam about how to setup news clients so the users could come here, but that message got deleted. I reposted it under a different subject and just posted links to show you how to setup or read newsgroups online, and I got a PM from a moderator telling me not to post it anymore LOL! I can go and on about the waste of time that Steam's forums are, but I have already spent too much time on this. CYA! > "G Hardy" <gareth.hardy1@ntlwrold.com> wrote in message > news:3WBRg.42804$WV2.947@newsfe2-> Are the moderators Steam employees? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > CYA! In here or AGHL (alt.games.half-life) are good places to get help for the majority if not all of the Steam-available games. Steam forums are only visited occasionally to have a read of the histrionics. In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action d <d@invalide.aol.com> wrote: > LOL.....of course not. They are little kids with alot of free time on their > hands. They don't know how to treat people and most of them are getting the > "power feeling" for the first time in their young lives LOL. bethesda run the same kind of nerd militia on their forums. it's pretty disrespectful to the people who aren't mindless sheep and it's an extremely good way to turn someone off from buying any of your products in the future. Signature"Please excuse my posts in this thread this morning, I had not yet taken my meds." -Jim Vieira I posted another message on their forums about this newsgroup and how they could come here to post. My IP has now been blocked LOL. I can't read or log into their forum unless I use my dial up account LOL. Of course, I don't know for sure that is why they blocked me. I guess I will never know :) CYA! |
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