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Shawk - 22 Jan 2006 03:36 GMT
I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
time tried a few partitions on the HD (I usually have just the one large
one).  Tried 5GB for XP, 5GB for the paging file, 100GB for apps and the
rest (of a 160GB drive) for my docs.  After updating XP to SP1 and then SP2
etc etc I'm getting a warning that my 5GB is nearly up!  What size
partitions are others using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.

EvilBill - 22 Jan 2006 03:45 GMT
> I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this
> recently but rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> warning that my 5GB is nearly up!  What size partitions are others
> using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.

230 gig drive, split into 1 127gig partition, 1 105 gig one. Only out of
necessity since the Win2K setup routine didn't seem to support anything
bigger than 127 gigs. Windows is now on the 105 gig partition after a
reinstall. <g>

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Ben Cottrell - 22 Jan 2006 11:31 GMT
>>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this
>>recently but rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> necessity since the Win2K setup routine didn't seem to support anything
> bigger than 127 gigs.

Civ found a neat registry fix for this problem..  my HDD Is 300GB (280GB
actual) and I couldn't see more than 127GB of it til I added the
EnableBigLBA param into one of the reg keys.

I have:

C: Windows - 20GB
D: Games - 120GB
E: Downloads - 90GB
F: Apps - 50GB

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EvilBill - 22 Jan 2006 13:53 GMT
>> 230 gig drive, split into 1 127gig partition, 1 105 gig one. Only
>> out of necessity since the Win2K setup routine didn't seem to
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> (280GB actual) and I couldn't see more than 127GB of it til I added
> the EnableBigLBA param into one of the reg keys.

Oh, it saw the rest of the disk fine once it was installed. It was just the
partitioning and formatting part of Setup that couldn't see the full size.

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Civilian_Target - 25 Jan 2006 15:57 GMT
> Oh, it saw the rest of the disk fine once it was installed. It was just the
> partitioning and formatting part of Setup that couldn't see the full size.

Most hard disk manufacturers, particularly for SATA drives, provide a
diskette that gives a RAID driver for windows setup to get around that
problem.

BTW, I have:

95GB NTFS - Windows, Games & Program Files
25GB Reiser - Linux
120GB FAT32 - Data

If I just had windows, I'd go a very simple "Everything except 15GB for
Windows, and a 15GB FAT32 backup partition" for the inevitable windows
screwup.

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EvilBill - 27 Jan 2006 15:33 GMT
>> Oh, it saw the rest of the disk fine once it was installed. It was
>> just the partitioning and formatting part of Setup that couldn't see
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> diskette that gives a RAID driver for windows setup to get around that
> problem.

Yeah, I didn't get that with my new PC.
But then, I didn't get a floppy drive either ;)

> BTW, I have:
>
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> Civilian_Target

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Lief - 22 Jan 2006 14:01 GMT
> >>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this
> >>recently but rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> E: Downloads - 90GB
> F: Apps - 50GB

I dont see the point in anything over 2 partitions on a primary HDD, one for
system one for everything else....can just use folders for everything else.
Jethro - 23 Jan 2006 17:39 GMT
>>>>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this
>>>>recently but rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> I dont see the point in anything over 2 partitions on a primary HDD, one for
> system one for everything else....can just use folders for everything else.

HEAR! HEAR! :-)
Instead of partitions I use multiple drives. It's in the redundancy dammit!

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Aaron Lawrence - 22 Jan 2006 06:06 GMT
At that very moment, Shawk turned to alt.games.half-life and said
> I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
> rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> etc etc I'm getting a warning that my 5GB is nearly up!  What size
> partitions are others using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.

I usually have the OS on a separate partition - mostly an old habit from
when using multiple operating systems, but it IS convenient when
upgrading/reinstalling.

I use Win2000 and the system partition is 2.5GB. But it's a struggle to
keep this working as so many program insist on storing "common files" or
even user data on c: driver.

It is possible to move common files and other folders to another
partition, but hard work (multiple search-and-replace on the registry
etc), unless you do it at install time with an unattended install
script.

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Andrew - 22 Jan 2006 08:40 GMT
>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
>rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>etc etc I'm getting a warning that my 5GB is nearly up!  What size
>partitions are others using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.

I normally have 10GB for the OS and core app's that need reinstalling
from scratch in the event of an OS reinstall, e.g. firewall, and a 2GB
partition for swap on another disk. The rest of my system is a bit of
a free for all with stuff split over 3 disks all with legacy
partitions that are a mess!
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Shawk - 22 Jan 2006 12:38 GMT
>>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
>>rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> a free for all with stuff split over 3 disks all with legacy
> partitions that are a mess!

I have another disc in the PC (another 160GB).  You'd recommend the page
file be on the second disk?
Andrew - 22 Jan 2006 15:55 GMT
>I have another disc in the PC (another 160GB).  You'd recommend the page
>file be on the second disk?

In an ideal world you have the OS on one disk, your swap on another,
and your app's on a third, that way none of them are in contention
with each other. Hopefully though you have plenty of RAM so the swap
file doesn't come into play too much.
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Shawk - 22 Jan 2006 16:35 GMT
>>I have another disc in the PC (another 160GB).  You'd recommend the page
>>file be on the second disk?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> with each other. Hopefully though you have plenty of RAM so the swap
> file doesn't come into play too much.

1.5GB PC3200... thanks Andrew
Schrodinger - 22 Jan 2006 08:42 GMT
>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
>rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>etc etc I'm getting a warning that my 5GB is nearly up!  What size
>partitions are others using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.

I have Windows on a 100GB partition, then another partitions for the
remainder of that drive.  I have another 2 drives which I keep games and
backup data on.

If I was starting from scratch, I'd leave Windows on a 40GB partition, then
games and data on the other - reason being you can never guess the correct
amount for a partition so I always used to end up "borrowing" from the
"wrong" partition.
Shawk - 22 Jan 2006 11:04 GMT
>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
>rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>etc etc I'm getting a warning that my 5GB is nearly up!  What size
>partitions are others using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.

Thanks all for the comments.  TBH I'm still wondering what the benefits
are... this may be an experiment I ditch later...
WildStyle24_7 - 22 Jan 2006 11:27 GMT
> Thanks all for the comments.  TBH I'm still wondering what the benefits
> are... this may be an experiment I ditch later...

In other OSs it makes a lot of sense - a separate partition (if not a
separate disk) for OS tends to be the standard in the *NIX and Linux
environments I've used.

I've never used it for windows, but I'm intending to try it on my next
install (I've been helping a friend sort out his laptop recently, and
this setup would have meant a lot less work in that case).  I think the
key is to not skimp on the space you give this partition - 20gb to 40gb
are the figures I've seen bandied about.

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Shawk - 22 Jan 2006 12:37 GMT
>> Thanks all for the comments.  TBH I'm still wondering what the benefits
>> are... this may be an experiment I ditch later...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> key is to not skimp on the space you give this partition - 20gb to 40gb
> are the figures I've seen bandied about.

Used Partition Magic to up the XP partition to 8GB for now.  The 160GB disk
is now split (rounding it up)...

C:  8GB for OS (XP Pro)
D:  (I'll come back to that)
E:  5GB for page file
F:  98GB for apps and games
G:  40GB for my docs (I have a hell of a lot of work on here)

Why do you think XP will need 20-40GB, or have I misunderstood?

BTW - D: is the second 160GB disk with all my music, TV episodes etc etc.
Why it's stuck in the D: position I have no idea.

Ta.
WildStyle24_7 - 22 Jan 2006 20:15 GMT
> Why do you think XP will need 20-40GB, or have I misunderstood?

It's not something I've tried before, so I'm probably erring on the side
of caution - for me, I'd be thinking of an OS upgrade at some point too
(which, lets face it, is bound to use more space).  I'm sure I've seen
those figures somewhere, but could be mistaken.

(On the other hand, I could be projecting, my smallest disks are 20gb
and 40gb, which is handy :) )

> BTW - D: is the second 160GB disk with all my music, TV episodes etc etc.
> Why it's stuck in the D: position I have no idea.

I think you can move them, can't you?  Using the disk management
utility?

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Shawk - 22 Jan 2006 21:36 GMT
>> Why do you think XP will need 20-40GB, or have I misunderstood?
>>
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> (On the other hand, I could be projecting, my smallest disks are 20gb
> and 40gb, which is handy :) )

Fairy nuff  :-)

>> BTW - D: is the second 160GB disk with all my music, TV episodes etc etc.
>> Why it's stuck in the D: position I have no idea.
>>
> I think you can move them, can't you?  Using the disk management
> utility?

I'll take a look... ta
Paul Catley - 23 Jan 2006 01:30 GMT
>> BTW - D: is the second 160GB disk with all my music, TV episodes etc etc.
>> Why it's stuck in the D: position I have no idea.
>>
> I think you can move them, can't you?  Using the disk management
> utility?

It was always hard work under Win98 (utilities were available), but I think you
can redesignate them quite easily in XP.

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Jethro - 23 Jan 2006 17:44 GMT
>>>Thanks all for the comments.  TBH I'm still wondering what the benefits
>>>are... this may be an experiment I ditch later...
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>
> Ta.

As I've seen the Physical disk themselves get drive lettering
preference. So you 2 HDD's physically will get the first 2 drives
letters. I think they can be renamed in Administrative Tools | Computer
Management.

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Shawk - 23 Jan 2006 22:37 GMT
>> BTW - D: is the second 160GB disk with all my music, TV episodes etc etc.
>> Why it's stuck in the D: position I have no idea.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> So you 2 HDD's physically will get the first 2 drives letters. I think
> they can be renamed in Administrative Tools | Computer Management.

Ta.  Decided for now I dont mind it as it is....
Ben Cottrell - 22 Jan 2006 11:34 GMT
>>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
>>rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks all for the comments.  TBH I'm still wondering what the benefits
> are... this may be an experiment I ditch later...

The benefits of keeping your OS on a smaller, seperate partition is that
if you ever have to reformat/reinstall, then you don't need to backup
the rest of your data :)     however, other partitions I use mainly for
organisation.

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McGrandpa - 22 Jan 2006 16:25 GMT
>>I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
>>rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks all for the comments.  TBH I'm still wondering what the benefits
> are... this may be an experiment I ditch later...

I have 3 IDE ATA drives in this rig at the moment.  c:\ is 80g single
partition NTFS with XP Pro SP2, all programs and swap file.  It's outta room
now.  D:\ is a 160g single NTFS partition with only 'data' on it, ARCS, ART
and MEDIA are the folders and vary in contents as I move stuff to data DVD
for permanent storage.
E:\ is 160g single NTFS partition that's pretty empty.  It is going to be
the new C:\ drive with XP Pro SP2 and all programs and games.  The 80g will
then become the XP Pro x64 install and Linux 64.  The current 160g data
drive will remain as is.
Note that XP Pro x64 will have its own programs and games.  I venture there
won't be as many as the 32 bit install has.
The major drive changeover will occur starting as soon as my new PCi-e mobo
and vid card arrive home.  It will need fresh installs of the OS's anyway,
so why change stuff up now when i'll have to in a week again :)
McG.
Stri - 22 Jan 2006 12:31 GMT
Shawk proclaimed....

> I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
> rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> etc etc I'm getting a warning that my 5GB is nearly up!  What size
> partitions are others using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.

I used to partition. But I only have a 35gb and a 60 so I took them off.

I'd use Norton's Partition magic. Worked for me. I'd keep them smallish.
You don't need them at 5gb though.

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LymanAlpha - 22 Jan 2006 15:16 GMT
On 1/21/2006 7:36 PM Shawk brightened our day with:
> I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
> rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>  
I have,
disk 1: 1 partition C:\ ntfs, 76 Gb with Windows, pagefile, non-game
programs in the default program files folder, music, pics and videos.  
30 Gb free.
I have the first disk that way mostly to just let lots of windows stuff
plus installations go in the default locations.  It's a little lazy and
I used to have "My Documents" on my E: drive but since most of that
stuff is backed up on DVD and on mobile devices now, leaving it on C: is
more convenient.  Plus it's a fast drive.
disk 2: 4 partitions, Partition 1 D:\ 100 Gb ntfs, all games plus an
install folder I use for some large files and nothing else, 25 Gb free.  
Partition 2 E:\ 60 Gb ntfs, completely empty.  Partition 3 39 Gb ext3
Linux,  Partition 4, 1 Gb Linux Swap.
For a very long time my D: drive has had the label "gamedisk", just the
way I've always done it.  I don't know really what the E: partition is
for now, it has been empty for a while.  I should probably increase the
Linux partition, but I don't use it that often and I'm not using half
the space it has.
Despite having a fair amount of free space I'm still compulsive about
cleaning up useless stuff.

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Jimbob - 22 Jan 2006 16:03 GMT
> I have,
> disk 1: 1 partition C:\ ntfs, 76 Gb with Windows, pagefile, non-game
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> Despite having a fair amount of free space I'm still compulsive about
> cleaning up useless stuff.

I have a 60 giger with everything thrown in.

I've had a 120 gig h/d on my shelf for a few months now, for that time when
an upgrade is possible, it'l be a while now though, damn g/f made me buy a
new washing machine, but my whites are whiter than white now :0
McGrandpa - 22 Jan 2006 16:31 GMT
"Jimbob"
snip

> I've had a 120 gig h/d on my shelf for a few months now, for that time
> when
> an upgrade is possible, it'l be a while now though, damn g/f made me buy a
> new washing machine, but my whites are whiter than white now :0

Ah, but you DO also have the gf and that's not a bad thing at all.   We
might hate having to do the 'balancing act' but in the end, it's worth it.

McG.
Lief - 22 Jan 2006 17:51 GMT
> "Jimbob"
> snip
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Ah, but you DO also have the gf and that's not a bad thing at all.   We
> might hate having to do the 'balancing act' but in the end, it's worth it.

The day they invent a washing machine with a built in geforce 7, the world
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Andrew - 22 Jan 2006 17:55 GMT
>The day they invent a washing machine with a built in geforce 7, the world
>will rejoice :)

*shudder*
Things will turn ugly when people publish their setups for
GussetMark2007.
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Jethro - 23 Jan 2006 17:38 GMT
> I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently but
> rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the first
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> partitions are others using?  How are your HD's set up?  Tips?  Ta.
>  

1 160GB drive C: drive, Windows, Apps, docs, files movies etc...
1 80GB drive D: drive for Games installs

That's it. To many partitions makes too many issues.
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Shawk - 23 Jan 2006 22:48 GMT
>> I know there's been a thread containing some comments on this recently
>> but rather than resurrect that thread..... experimenting here... for the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> That's it. To many partitions makes too many issues.

That's pretty much how it was previously.  Trying this as an experiment.
Reason?... erm, recent discussion on the merits of partitions and I have no
money at the moment to build anything so in that situation I tend to take to
bits the things I do have - it's an abberration....:-)
 
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