> Perhaps you give up too much. Perhaps not. Simply by
> clearly limiting the proposed version to single player
> and no external communications is good.
i also believe that is key to the proposal
> Why would Valve punish honest people? You are only asking
> for a Steam-less single player version of the game.
exactly!
> I can't see a need to make the thing more complicated by
> adding code to keep it from running mods, extra levels,
> added content or make it un-patchable.
i propose it so there would be a clear penalty for choosing
this version but if valve feels it is not necessary then i
obviously will not mind at all and will thank them
> It's fair to have the Steam package available on the disk
> seperate from the SP game, in case things for the user
> change and they want to use Steam and the regular full
> game.
that i also thought would be very important for valve
> You may have to allow that the game validate with Valve.
yes obviously but only if and when you install steam
if you install steam with the proposed separate installation
file then you would have to do the normal product activation
but only if you choose to install steam cause with only the
game installation no steam product activation would be at all
necessary
> It's good though, what you've done here. It's one step.
> There are probably a few more in the path to Valves door.
what other steps do you suggest coming next?
> Being as I think you were being honest in my original post
> to you that caused this message, I respect you in this.
i don't have no hidden agenda
i simply want to be able to play half-life 2 like you and
all the others
> Prepare your proposal. In Honesty, I'll stand with you in
> this request.
> Michael S. McCollum
> McG.
Thank you very much
you are the first one to do it and now it is a certainty i
will go forward with it
If we can't find anyone to do the writing in my place cause
of my obvious writing skills limitations i will do it the
same although it would be better other writing it...
Next i will try and summarize the proposal so it is more
easy to read, and will do what i should have done in the
first place which is using capitalization and punctuation
McGrandpa - 29 Nov 2005 19:43 GMT
>> Perhaps you give up too much. Perhaps not. Simply by
>> clearly limiting the proposed version to single player
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> easy to read, and will do what i should have done in the
> first place which is using capitalization and punctuation
There still should not be some "penalty" for honest people trying their best
to do the Right Thing. People who will gladly pay an honest price for an
honest (though Steam-less) product.
We don't have to find anyone to do the writing in your place. We have you,
in your legitimate cause and in your own hand and words. Such a thing
should carry across the sincerity that the whole exists in. It is best I
feel, if it is you, from your own place, coming forth with your own words.
When you've finished it, SAVE it. Then walk away from it for a couple of
days. Open it and read it then. It will be fresh and you will likely
make corrections. You may do this a couple of times, to ensure it is what
you truly want to say. Then you might have someone critique your work,
offer an honest opinion of it. When you're happy with it, you/I/we all can
find the best way to get it to Gabe Newell/Valve. Who better than he? I
believe he owns Valve Software and therefore Steam. He's shown the world
that he IS approachable, as a person.
I truly feel that the worst response to your plight would be: nothing.
Submitting your proposal could result in that as well, however; if NOT
submitted, there will only be.. nothing.
At best, you could soon be playing a legitimate Half-Life 2 with just a one
time (per install) product activation.
McG.
steamless gamer - 30 Nov 2005 06:35 GMT
> There still should not be some "penalty" for honest people
> trying their best to do the Right Thing. People who will
> gladly pay an honest price for an honest (though
> Steam-less) product.
obviously i leave the penalties for valve to choose what is
appropriate but i wrote all those penalties in the proposal
to show how far i am willing to go
i believe it is important to show valve pc gamers understand
not using steam has to mean some penalty
what penalties i guess ultimately only valve could say
> We don't have to find anyone to do the writing in your
> place. We have you, in your legitimate cause and in your
> own hand and words. Such a thing should carry across the
i guess it will be me...
i only hope the poor english will not make valve look at it
with lower consideration
> sincerity that the whole exists in. It is best I feel, if
> it is you, from your own place, coming forth with your own
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> truly want to say. Then you might have someone critique
> your work, offer an honest opinion of it. When you're
yes i will not do it in a rush like i did the first one
but obviously i will present it to you and all this group
for more corrections
> happy with it, you/I/we all can find the best way to get it
> to Gabe Newell/Valve. Who better than he? I believe he
> owns Valve Software and therefore Steam. He's shown the
> world that he IS approachable, as a person.
he is the owner of valve which is a privately company
so i believe he is the one that ultimate decides
what would you think if we first showed it in the steam group
at steampowered.com to see the reception and only after we
would email it
> I truly feel that the worst response to your plight would
> be: nothing. Submitting your proposal could result in that
> as well, however; if NOT submitted, there will only be..
> nothing.
i really have to take a chance... cause nothing more is left
> At best, you could soon be playing a legitimate Half-Life 2
> with just a one time (per install) product activation.
>
> McG.
but that is the same of what is happening in the present no?
at least it is what i read from many steam users
but my proposal clearly states no product activation to play
for the game not even once or per install
this is extremely important to me and essential
let me go back to my proposal and quote some parts
--star quote--
"my proposition to valve is the following
it would be good to business to make a "special" half-life 2
edition this "special" half-life 2 edition would be a retail
only steam free meaning it would be just like any current pc
game in the retail market"
--end quote--
--star quote--
"now what would this "special" version be different from all
the other half-life 2 already released in the past
. it would not need any internet access either to install or
to play"
--end quote--
--star quote--
". it would feature like any current pc game a normal install
wizard and after installation it would run out of the box
with no need for online or phone activations but with the need
to have dvd inserted and featuring the usual copy protections
present in most retail pc games"
--end quote--
i couldn't be any more explicit about product activation
my proposed version has no product activation of any kind
now if people decided to install the separate and optional
steam installation file then they would have to do it but
that is not required to play in single player
no product activation is for me key to the proposal
it wouldn't make any sense to the proposal letting it have
product activation when it is the main issue
i don't know if you endorsed my proposal not fully knowing
any product activation could never be part of this version
i hope this doesn't make you change your mind and i still
have your support but one thing for sure this proposal is
based on a no product activation/no internet required for
half-life 2 single player