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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / August 2005you have the right to leave
Subject: It's Our Country - real editorial > England - The Right to Leave > > Our Country - YOU Have the right - the right to leave ! > > After England not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up > Xmas > lights. > > After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion > and > let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with > her > face covered. > > This prompted this editorial written by an English citizen. > Published in an English newspaper. > > Quote: > > IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITISH, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It > I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending > some > individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on > London, we > have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of British. > > However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the > "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility > that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against > immigration, > nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life > by > coming to England. > > However, there are a few things that those who have recently come > to > our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. > > This idea of England being a multicultural community has served > only > to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As British, we > have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our > own > lifestyle. > > This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, > trials > and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. > > We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, > Japanese, > Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become > part > of our society, Learn the language! > > "In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some > Christian, > right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because > Christian > men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and > this > is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it > on > the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you > consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God > is > part of > our culture. > > If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", > then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this > planet. > > We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, And we > really don't care how you did things where you came from. > > This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow > you > every opportunity to enjoy all this. > > But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our > Flag, > Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly > encourage > you take advantage of one other great British freedom, > > "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE". > > If you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to > come > here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted. > Pretty easy really, when you think about it. > > I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) > it > will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, > lets all try, please. > > No matter how many times you receive it... please forward it > to all > you know > Subject: It's Our Country - real editorial ... > > "In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some > > Christian, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > this > > is clearly documented. If this is a real editorial, someone needs to employ a new sub-editor, as the one they've got displays near Guardian-esque incompetence. The closest thing we have to a "National Motto" is surely the royal motto, which is "Dieu et Mon Droit" ("God and my Right"). > > If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", > > then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > encourage > > you take advantage of one other great British freedom, Taken as a whole, it looks like a clumsily adapted version of a chain email with (presumably, given the references) American origins. If people are going to forward it, as suggested, a little correction might be a good idea before hitting send. >> Subject: It's Our Country - real editorial > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > people are going to forward it, as suggested, a little correction might > be a good idea before hitting send. Only time I've seen 'In God we Trust' written as a motto of any kind is on US currency >>> Subject: It's Our Country - real editorial >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Only time I've seen 'In God we Trust' written as a motto of any kind > is on US currency It is OUR motto, actually. Was surprised (and pleased) to see it was the British motto too. but now find it isn't? McG. Hum, wonder why I thought it was "E Pluribus Unum"???? >It is OUR motto, actually. Was surprised (and pleased) to see it was >the British motto too. but now find it isn't? >McG. -- "The Buffalo Theory" A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kill brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine! That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers. > Hum, wonder why I thought it was "E Pluribus Unum"???? > >> It is OUR motto, actually. Was surprised (and pleased) to see it >> was the British motto too. but now find it isn't? >> McG. All For One? I thot it was "In God We Trust"! > All For One? I thot it was "In God We Trust"! Literally "One from Many", I think. It's the motto on the seal of the United States, about which there's much interesting info here (symbolism of the devices on the seal etc) http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/unum.html -wildy >> All For One? I thot it was "In God We Trust"! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -wildy There is a lot of symbolism involved in all of the nations and states seals, and that on currency. Most Americans never bother to read about any of it. Thanks for the link, took me back to American History days in high school :) McG. >> Only time I've seen 'In God we Trust' written as a motto of any kind >> is on US currency > > It is OUR motto, actually. Was surprised (and pleased) to see it was the > British motto too. but now find it isn't? > McG. British as a whole dont have one unless you want to count the motto of the British monarchy ('Dieu et mon droit' - or 'God and my (birth) right') which has been around since Henry V (1400's). There is however one attached to every coat of arms and each regiment etc in the forces has their own. A selection below for you.... http://www.military-quotes.com/mottos/UK.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_mottos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mottos I like the Thames Valley Police one - 'Let there be Peace in the Thames Valley'. Perhaps that should be updated to 'Let there be Peace, speed traps and a 40% rise in hate crimes since the London bombings in the Thames Valley' >>> Only time I've seen 'In God we Trust' written as a motto of any kind >>> is on US currency [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Peace, speed traps and a 40% rise in hate crimes since the London > bombings in the Thames Valley' Couldn't agree on just one, huh? You've only had a millenia! ;) McG. Don't think we don't know who you are Mr. Style ;-) > If this is a real editorial, someone needs to employ a new sub-editor, > as the one they've got displays near Guardian-esque incompetence. The > closest thing we have to a "National Motto" is surely the royal motto, > which is "Dieu et Mon Droit" ("God and my Right"). Perhaps the Daily Star has poached the sub-editor from the Grauniad :-) > Taken as a whole, it looks like a clumsily adapted version of a chain > email with (presumably, given the references) American origins. If > people are going to forward it, as suggested, a little correction might > be a good idea before hitting send. If people are going to forward it, perhaps they'd like to think a little more about what it actually says. It reads to me as a poorly thought out xenophobic rant from someone who buys their political views from the "Sun Says" column. in either case, posts like that are really not appropriate for aghl. whether it was the OP's intention or not, it comes across far more as troll bait than anything else.  SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench I was strolling through alt.games.half-life one day, when suddenly Ben Cottrell surprised me by leaping from a nearby hedge. As I levelled my service revolver, the unfortunate creature cried out; > Don't think we don't know who you are Mr. Style ;-) Meh. That's what happens when you go straight from important work stuff to, well, here. Anyways, I still say that Bold is Ramon. Signature"we must stop the laughter or we will surely die from the fun!!" -Ramon De Santos, in AGHL > I was strolling through alt.games.half-life one day, when suddenly > Ben Cottrell surprised me by leaping from a nearby hedge. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Anyways, I still say that Bold is Ramon. Well, we haven't seen either of them for a long time. .. Thad > > Anyways, I still say that Bold is Ramon. > > Well, we haven't seen either of them for a long time. Well, exactly! /raises eyebrow significantly -- Wildy >>>Anyways, I still say that Bold is Ramon. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > /raises eyebrow significantly How do you raise one eyebrow like that? I always wanted to do that but whenever I try they both go up and I look like I'm *special*. I mean, even more *special* than I really am.... -- Thad >like I'm *special*. >I mean, even more *special* than I really am.... puts me in mind of stephen lynch. 'special ed' was good but 'if i were gay' and 'hermaphrodite' were fantastic. dr ratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- god is not on the side of the big battalions but of the best shots. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >/raises eyebrow significantly i'm also blessed/cursed with independant roger moore eyebrows. dr ratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- god is not on the side of the big battalions but of the best shots. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Taken as a whole, it looks like a clumsily adapted version of a chain >email with (presumably, given the references) American origins. You are correct. Unfortunately many Americans fail to see the hypocracy in this pile of crap. I am an American, always have been, veteran of 2 armed conflicts, and still I think this is little more than smoothly-worder Ku Klux Klan drivel. "Immagrants must adapt"? Like EVERYONE WHO IS NOT AN AMERICAN INDIAN? We've forgotten who was here first obviously. "dilute our sovereignty and our national identity"?: In other words, everyone must be exactly alike? Can you say WW2 era Germany? "This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom." Yep, this verifies your suspicion, For those too stupid to understand what I mean, England is MUCH older that "Two Centuries" "We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!": Spoken by people too stupid to learn a 2nd language. The fact is the EVERYONE in this country has the RIGHT, to speak whatever language they wish. " If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God is part of our culture.": Yeah, don't let that first ammendment get in the way of your cause though.... Here's the facts: I am an American that is beginning to realize why so many countries hate us. I Love this country more than life itself, but if I hear one more person verbally tear the constitutional rights of other citizens out of their hands in the name of "patriotism", based on where a person USED to live, I think I'm gonna puke.... Sorry for the rant......... >>Taken as a whole, it looks like a clumsily adapted version of a chain >>email with (presumably, given the references) American origins. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Sorry for the rant......... No apols necessary... >> Taken as a whole, it looks like a clumsily adapted version of a chain >> email with (presumably, given the references) American origins. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Sorry for the rant......... There are other ways to put to words what one *feels* than what we've seen here. You're right that this country was invaded, settled and the indigenous populace fairly butchered to make room for others from everywhere else. So, what do WE do about that NOW? Immigrants are required to speak, read and write (some) English. There is no requirement for them to 'give up' their native or any other language. Immigrants do not have to "adapt", they do have to accept that others are likely to be different from them, culturally. I'm native, and I know I have to accept others as well. If my belief in God offends you or anyone else, sorry about that. Ignore it and go on, we're Americans. Spanish speakers in my area have been trying for years to have Spanish made the first language in this state in the schools and public places. All I can do is raise an eyebrow and vote against the proprosal, if it ever gets to the polls. I don't think it will though, as something about English as the language of the land in some official writings has been brought up by judges weighing the matter. Simple truth is, this nation is, today, populated primarily by emigrants and their immediate descendants. My maternal great grandfather had a lot of trouble speaking English, but that didn't hinder his CHOICE to do so. Any one of his kids or grandkids that spoke Gaelic around him got a little lecture :) One thing could have made a difference in this topic, from me also. "Where are our manners?" because I think that we really do know better... McG. > Simple truth is, this nation is, today, populated primarily by emigrants > and their immediate descendants. My maternal great grandfather had a > lot of trouble speaking English, but that didn't hinder his CHOICE to do > so. Any one of his kids or grandkids that spoke Gaelic around him got a > little lecture :) Isn't Gaelic the national language of Lesbos? -\o/- David davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com >> Simple truth is, this nation is, today, populated primarily by >> emigrants and their immediate descendants. My maternal great [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > David > davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com Scotland :) McG. > > Isn't Gaelic the national language of Lesbos? > > Scotland :) No, I meant... Oh, never mind. -;)- David davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com > "David Firewater" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message >>Isn't Gaelic the national language of Lesbos? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Scotland :) An leabharann tú? (Can you speak it?) Civilian_Target (Firewater: Hope you're right about it being the national language of Lesbos...) > An leabharann tú? > (Can you speak it?) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (Firewater: Hope you're right about it being the national language of > Lesbos...) It was a joke which I think has gone right over *everybodys* head. Gay-lick, Lesbos, etc. Mebbe I'm the only one on my wavelength. Man, I'm just too diverse. -\o/- David davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com Owner of: 10 "Movie Quote Getter" points. 1 "This isn't really my point, I'm just looking after it for the missus cos she knows her movie quotes better than me" point. 1 "I'm a tone-deaf dog lover" point. 1 Daughter birth Cuban from Bold. 175 "I didn't have enough points" points. 3 "Spyder's non-1337 AGHL Quote Points". 5 'My POST button sticks occasionally - have to give it a good kick to get a message out' points 2 "I Will Trade You These Magic Beans For a Clue" pts. 1 'Extra f.cking angry quote' point. 1 "Easily guessed tune" point. 3 "I actually read sigs" points 1 "my sig is longer than my post" point. Owed: A night of perversion with the hobo of my choice from the streets of london town, courtesy of doctor.ratt. I give out: "I'm a f***ing muppet" points. "I know a quality tune when it smacks me in the gob" points. "I bit the troll bait" points. > It was a joke which I think has gone right over *everybodys* head. Gay-lick, > Lesbos, etc. Damnit - really should have seen that! > Mebbe I'm the only one on my wavelength. Man, I'm just too > diverse. I'm usually a bit closer to that wavelength - but not this morning, I'm absolutely shagged out... Civilian_Target >> An leabharann tú? >> (Can you speak it?) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > David > davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com Nah, I got it, but I wasn't about to give it up :) McG. > Owner of: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > "I know a quality tune when it smacks me in the gob" points. > "I bit the troll bait" points. >> "David Firewater" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message >>> Isn't Gaelic the national language of Lesbos? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (Firewater: Hope you're right about it being the national language of > Lesbos...) No, I picked up a few words of it when I was a little kid. Even my aunties have forgotten it I think. it'd be an interesting language to learn :) McG. > No, I picked up a few words of it when I was a little kid. Even my > aunties have forgotten it I think. it'd be an interesting language to > learn :) > McG. Interesting, although perhaps not that useful. While Scotish Gaeilc is as good as dead, its really just a dialect of Gaeilge, (the Irish language) which is still very much alive. But everyone who can speak it can also speak English, except maybe on a few remote islands... Civilian_Target >> No, I picked up a few words of it when I was a little kid. Even my >> aunties have forgotten it I think. it'd be an interesting language [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Civilian_Target You might hear it in music and spoken in movies, but nobody around here speaks any Gaelic at all. By the time I got to school at age 6, I discovered there were a few words I didn't need and picked up a few new ones :) McG. "David Firewater" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message > Isn't Gaelic the national language of Lesbos? what do gay women have to do with this? ;P >> Taken as a whole, it looks like a clumsily adapted version of a chain >> email with (presumably, given the references) American origins. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Sorry for the rant......... That wasn't a rant, but a well stated position on an issue. You touched on something that's always bothered me. The indigenous populace. Here. Our forefathers by far outdid Hitler with the holocaust, the Japanese exterminating Chinese....with their "making room for more settlers" here. It's an elephant swept under the rug in the living room. Nobody wants to talk about it. McG. Geeze, get a grip man... You better check some numbers and bone up on your history... You're beginning to sound like a knee jerk, hand wringing, bed wetting apologist liberal.... Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks whining for reparations.... >You touched on something that's always bothered me. The indigenous >populace. Here. Our forefathers by far outdid Hitler with the >holocaust, the Japanese exterminating Chinese....with their "making room >for more settlers" here. It's an elephant swept under the rug in the >living room. Nobody wants to talk about it. >McG. -- "The Buffalo Theory" A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kill brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine! That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers. > Geeze, get a grip man... You better check some numbers and bone up on > your history... You're beginning to sound like a knee jerk, hand [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> in the living room. Nobody wants to talk about it. >> McG. Well, I did, actually. I'm not apologist at all. Ah, right, well see.... none of us were around for all that massacreing. OR slaving. I was around early enough to see a lot of stuff around me, but nothing at all with massacres or slavement. Ok, it happened, it's carved in stone, it's history. I don't know anyone that was a slave nor do I know anyone that survived a massacre. We're here *today*, and I don't personally owe anyone anything except for the note on my Jeep. It don't take so long to add up what the estimated population was of indigenous peoples here at one point in time (like 200 years ago) and then look at what it is today. So, ok the comparison to Hitler and Japan through WWII was off base. It was the percentage of populace lost that got me. It was a Bad Thing. McG. The estimated population in 1750 was about 400,000... The 1990 census figure was almost 2 million, about 7% of the population.... Visit Oklahoma sometime... :) My youngest son, Mark, is married to a 1/2 Cherokee sweetheart and she is a sweetheart... Her daddy, a full blood, is a tenured professor of anatomy at the Medical School of Oklahoma University... She is a medical doctor (Radiologist) and makes more money than God... Beats chewing buckskin for moccasins.... >It don't take so long to add up what the estimated population was of >indigenous peoples here at one point in time (like 200 years ago) and >then look at what it is today. >So, ok the comparison to Hitler and Japan through WWII was off base. It >was the percentage of populace lost that got me. It was a Bad Thing. >McG. -- "The Buffalo Theory" A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kill brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine! That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers. > The estimated population in 1750 was about 400,000... The 1990 census > figure was almost 2 million, about 7% of the population.... Visit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oklahoma University... She is a medical doctor (Radiologist) and > makes more money than God... Beats chewing buckskin for moccasins.... I'd like to visit Oklahoma sometime :) My granny was 1/2 Cherokee, Eastern band, some call it, from Georgia. Things are far better in a lot of ways today than when I was a kid. Like, um, my A64 X2 4800+ will be in Wednesday! Yaaaaaaaaay! We din't have this stuff when we were kids! :) McG. >> It don't take so long to add up what the estimated population was of >> indigenous peoples here at one point in time (like 200 years ago) and >> then look at what it is today. >> So, ok the comparison to Hitler and Japan through WWII was off base. >> It was the percentage of populace lost that got me. It was a Bad >> Thing. McG. >Like, um, my A64 X2 4800+ will be in Wednesday! Yaaaaaaaaay! We din't >have this stuff when we were kids! :) didn't games come on stone tablets back then? dr ratt ---------------------- trust me. i know what i'm doing. ---------------------- >>Like, um, my A64 X2 4800+ will be in Wednesday! Yaaaaaaaaay! We din't >>have this stuff when we were kids! :) > > didn't games come on stone tablets back then? yeah - but you had to configure you're 2'3" stone-tablet drive, and those things weighed a fricking ton! Civilian_Target >>> Like, um, my A64 X2 4800+ will be in Wednesday! Yaaaaaaaaay! We >>> din't have this stuff when we were kids! :) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Civilian_Target You oughtta try a low-level format on one! >> Like, um, my A64 X2 4800+ will be in Wednesday! Yaaaaaaaaay! We >> din't have this stuff when we were kids! :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > i know what i'm doing. > ---------------------- We had tablets? Hm. Thot it wuz just stoned! ;) McG. >>> Like, um, my A64 X2 4800+ will be in Wednesday! Yaaaaaaaaay! We >>> din't have this stuff when we were kids! :) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >We had tablets? Hm. Thot it wuz just stoned! ;) >McG. stoned AND tablets!!!!???? i'm there, dude. dr ratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- god is not on the side of the big battalions but of the best shots. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Beats chewing buckskin for moccasins.... If it was back then before the "Americans" tore the land apart I might choose another livestyle involving less money and more buckskin Ok no half-life 2 obviously but I would have Real-Life (tm) - Peter I was strolling through alt.games.half-life one day, when suddenly Peter [AGHL] surprised me by leaping from a nearby hedge. As I levelled my service revolver, the unfortunate creature cried out; > I might > choose another livestyle involving less money and more buckskin "We wanted to blast the world free of history.... picture yourself planting radishes and seed potatoes on the fifteenth green of a forgotten golf course. You'll hunt elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center, and dig clams next to the skeleton of the Space Needle leaning at a forty-five degree angle. We'll paint the skyscrapers with huge totem faces and goblin tikis, and every evening what's left of mankind will retreat to empty zoos and lock itself in cages as protection against the bears and big cats and wolves that pace and watch us from outside the cage bars at night." SignatureWildy "I just want to smash my opponents to pieces, Kick 'em so hard that they say 'Please stop, I don't know what I'm doing in the ring coz obviously I'm not suitable for this sport'. That kind of thing. I want people to reconsider their actions when they get in the ring with me, not just get beat, but really reconsider their actions" -Dexter Casey > "We wanted to blast the world free of history.... Yay.. Fight Club! Now all we need are some Matrix quotes, and you're well and truly back! ___ Neil aka HighVis > > "We wanted to blast the world free of history.... > > Yay.. Fight Club! >From the book mind, that's highbrow... > Now all we need are some Matrix quotes, and you're > well and truly back! /shudder Don't make me post the rant again.... - Wildy >>>"We wanted to blast the world free of history.... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't make me post the rant again.... IIRC, I posted for you last time. You were busy with 'portant stuff and couldn't be bothered.... :-) .. Thad I was strolling through alt.games.half-life one day, when suddenly t h a d surprised me by leaping from a nearby hedge. As I levelled my service revolver, the unfortunate creature cried out; > IIRC, I posted for you last time. :D You're talking about the nimble biplane of logic thing? > You were busy with 'portant stuff and couldn't be bothered.... I don't think I could find that post again if I tried tbh. The only thing I can think of like that that I saved was my "Martix[1]" synopsis, of which I'm still (unjustifiably) rather fond. [1] From back when there was only one Martix. SignatureWildStyle24_7 "Men can be analysed, women...merely adored." -O.F. Wilde > I was strolling through alt.games.half-life one day, when suddenly > t h a d surprised me by leaping from a nearby hedge. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > [1] From back when there was only one Martix. I saved both of those somewhere. Does that make me a 'fanboi'? BTW, your sig de-limiter is working. Let's get that taken care of. .. Thad > BTW, your sig de-limiter is working. > Let's get that taken care of. > > .. > Thad Ooh no, we can't have that. I find just the two dashes, without the obligatory space, works quite well. It seemed to annoy that chap who was bothered about it, anyway. -- Paul >>BTW, your sig de-limiter is working. >>Let's get that taken care of. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Paul Yes, we call that one the 'stealth' model. Guaranteed to drive them up the wall. -+- Thad Any chance we could pretend that this thread never happened? Suppose they gave a troll and nobody posted? > Geeze, get a grip man... You better check some numbers and bone up on > your history... You're beginning to sound like a knee jerk, hand [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > efficient machine! That's why you always feel smarter > after a few beers. Nope, ya know I'm a fisherman and I has a Gofer on the line... Took the bait hook, line and sinker... Ain't gonna cut him loose now.... :) >Any chance we could pretend that this thread never happened? >Suppose they gave a troll and nobody posted? -- "The Buffalo Theory" A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kill brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine! That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers. > Nope, ya know I'm a fisherman and I has a Gofer on the line... Took > the bait hook, line and sinker... If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks whining for reparations..." goes way beyond friendly banter. I know, high horse, etc etc, but I'm with Thad on this one. ___ Neil aka HighVis > If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think > the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks > whining for reparations..." goes way beyond friendly banter. > > I know, high horse, etc etc, but I'm with Thad on this one. Good. Now let's discuss something trivial! .. Thad >> If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think >> the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Good. > Now let's discuss something trivial! ...it's raining again here in the UK... ...nice yesterday though... >>> If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think >>> the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ...it's raining again here in the UK... > ...nice yesterday though... My fault. I watered the garden and then thought about washing the car. >>>> If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think >>>> the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > My fault. I watered the garden and then thought about washing the car. ;-) >> If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think >> the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > .. > Thad Like an X2 4800+ :) in HERE! Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! I got IT! *I* got it! I GOT the thing! McG. :o)))))))))) >>> If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think >>> the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > got it! I GOT the thing! > McG. :o)))))))))) Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! > Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! ..uh? SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench >> Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! > > ..uh? Looking to either buy something similar in the next few months or hold off and build a complete new system early next year. Therefore I'd like to hear from McG his opinion on the difference the X2 has made to his gaming and general PC work .... or.... benchmarks... > > ..uh? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the X2 has made to his gaming and general PC work .... or.... > benchmarks... No, I think he meant... Oh, never mind. -;-)- David davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com >> > ..uh? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, I think he meant... Oh, never mind. > -;-)- LOL... keching!.... you think it's alzheimer's or something settling in? .....I'll get me coat... >>> Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'd like to hear from McG his opinion on the difference the X2 has > made to his gaming and general PC work .... or.... benchmarks... AMD64 X2 4800+ GA K8NS Ultra 939, F7 BIOS 2 x 1g Corsair DDR400 (CAS3) dual channel eVGA 6800GT 256 meg w/Nvidia 64 bit 77.77 driver set Samsung SyncMaster 930B 19" TFT LCD monitor Using the Nvidia sound on mobo, gots LOTS of I/O there. Altec-Lansing 45s speakers (just too good to let go of!) XP Pro SP2 on C: part and XP Pro X64 on D: Part and 65 gigs on F: part for progs and data... little Seagate Barracuda 80g 7200 rpm Ultra ATA at UDMA5. Lite On dual layer 16x DVDRW internal. The vid card is the only card in the box. Case is black nameless full tower with top to bottom drive bays, excellent cooling air flow, fans up front intake and cool the drives, fans in back exhaust and fan in side puffs fresh on the AGP and CPU. Thermaltake 420 watt with 2 fans. Believe it or not, it's quiet. Dunno about all these blue LED's tho :\ The X2 runs cooler than my P4 3.0E (prescott) and about as cool as the 2.0 478 Northwood. About 97F idling :) Time to go heat it up a bit, and do them Mad Onion things if they'll run in X64. McG. $1675 for what I carried home and $150 more for another box of XP Pro. > AMD64 X2 4800+ > GA K8NS Ultra 939, F7 BIOS [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > UDMA5. > Lite On dual layer 16x DVDRW internal. Can I borrow your PC? I swear I'll give it back.... By the way, what's that monitor like? I'm thinking of getting one myself? Good for games? Civilian_Target >> AMD64 X2 4800+ >> GA K8NS Ultra 939, F7 BIOS [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Civilian_Target They weren't kidding about the 8ms response time! Yeah, it's good for games :) And movies :) Just make sure as always you check it first for any bad pixels. I have 1 dark one that comes on sometimes.. McG. > They weren't kidding about the 8ms response time! Yeah, it's good for games > :) And movies :) Just make sure as always you check it first for any bad > pixels. I have 1 dark one that comes on sometimes.. Cool - I feel a bank account hemmorage oncoming... Whats the best way to check for pixel deadness? Civilian_Target >> They weren't kidding about the 8ms response time! Yeah, it's good for >> games :) And movies :) Just make sure as always you check it first for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Civilian_Target Depending where you get it some places will check for you for a fee. Aria.co.uk will check your monitor prior to despatch and guarantee no dead pixels for £15. I don't know if they carry the monitor you want - just citing an example. > Depending where you get it some places will check for you for a fee. > Aria.co.uk will check your monitor prior to despatch and guarantee no dead > pixels for £15. I don't know if they carry the monitor you want - just > citing an example. But if you do go for a monitor from a place which does this service then *ALWAYS* make sure you use it, else you can be sure that you'll get one of the ones which failed the check earlier in the week ;-) SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench >> Depending where you get it some places will check for you for a fee. >> Aria.co.uk will check your monitor prior to despatch and guarantee no [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > *ALWAYS* make sure you use it, else you can be sure that you'll get one of > the ones which failed the check earlier in the week ;-) Hadn't thought of that... you're a devious bugger Bench ;-) >>> Depending where you get it some places will check for you for a fee. >>> Aria.co.uk will check your monitor prior to despatch and guarantee no [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ;-) Yeah, really! Now where does he work? ;) McG. >> They weren't kidding about the 8ms response time! Yeah, it's good for >> games :) And movies :) Just make sure as always you check it first for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Civilian_Target Quick way is to have a pure black screen....with it on of course. This shows if any are stuck ON (light shines thru, colors too). Next, look it over with a pure white screen. The first three LCD monitors I bought are all perfect pixels. How lucky can ya get? So, I learn about the bad pixel thing and carefully look it over in the store. It's Circuit City, I pay for it, then up at their counter hook it up and play with it a while, looked fine there. Two days later, I note a tiny tiny dark dot in the upper left. It didn't wipe off. Some times it comes on, sometimes not. It's ONE pixel (or sub-pixel), it's dark, it's out of the way, it works sometimes. I didn't take it back. I have to go looking for it actually. Dust motes are about the size of one of these pixels :) So, this is the one my luck ran out on. Only, it isn't so bad at all. The SyncMaster 930B is good. You can't vary the height but it tilt n swivels fine. Has dual inputs, built in PS, some good software for color matching. It's a brilliant picture. And it's response time is fast! McG. I'd be careful if you bought it from Circuit City. With or Without those expensive extra warranties. If you have a dead pixel you may want to try to get out of the sale buy returning it promptly. They have a certain amount of dead pixel that are allowable before they will accept the return. If you return it tell them it's some other reason and not dead pixels. I'd never buy anything from CC. Here is why. I too have had a bad experience with Circuit City. I have been making posts in a HDTV massage board so I could get help with my Sony KP53HS10 repair. The first tech CC sent out was horrible. He ended up doing more damage to my set than the original failure which was a D-board. CC still has not fully fixed my set. They never proformed their duties under the Extended Service Agreement I paid $399.99 for. If you ever do buy a product from CC, please do not buy the Extended Service Agreement. CC will not live up to their promises (contractual obligations)! I wish I was warmed before I made my purchase. I am now out $3,000 ($2599.99 + $399.99)!!! http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/460/3228.html?1123320124 I've learned my lesson the hard way! We, who have been wronged by Circuit City, must get the truth out!!! > I too have had a bad experience with Circuit City. I have been making > posts in a HDTV massage board so I could get help with my Sony KP53HS10 > repair. There's your problem, you shouldn't use a massage board. -\o/- David davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com I starte with the message board afte they screwedup the picture. I need some one to ID the virticl line problem. The tech said the TV was fine but it turned out to be a bad flyback transfermer. So CC sent a bad tech out and in doing so he messed up the Flyback trans and then did something to my settings. It's still covered by the extended waranty because thye extended it by 3 months for the time wasted by the first tech. But now they just ignore me. All I get are vague letters from the legal department. So based on their lack of effort and hearing from their legal department I thoughtI'd flood the internet with my horror story. If they want to sue me that is great! Then they have to deal with the TV they damaged!!! I'm sure they want me to fade away like most people do but I will piss and moan, kick and scream until these little F*ckrs fix my set of go out of business. I'm not the only one they have done this to. I can imagine how po'd you'd be if the same happened to you or a family member. :-) . So if you go and spend $5 or $5,000 at CC after reading my post, you are a bigger fool than me! You have been warned! Have a great day!!! >I starte with the message board afte they screwedup the picture. I > need some one to ID the virticl line problem. The tech said the TV was [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > So if you go and spend $5 or $5,000 at CC after reading my post, you > are a bigger fool than me! You have been warned! Have a great day!!! They're no different than Conns or Frys or CompUSA. They all do this the same way. The entire market is 'Buyer Beware'. I've likely spent some $10,000 in ONE Circuit City store, over the years since they opened it. I've returned bad video cards, cameras and other odds n ends with no problem at all. I've never bought their extended warranties. And while that seems to bother their sales people pitching that 'product', it's never bothered me to say "no, I don't want that at all". The most sophisticated item I've ever bought there is a laptop computer. To be honest, I won't spend as much money as your TV cost on ANY item unless it's got a great manufacturers warranty. If it's $1000 or more and the warranty less than three years, then I don't buy it. The better their warranty the better they think of their own products reliability. I feel yer pain, but I don't agree with your judgement call on purchasing stuff from Circuit City. McG. > They weren't kidding about the 8ms response time! Yeah, it's good > for games :) And movies :) Just make sure as always you check it > first for any bad pixels. I have 1 dark one that comes on sometimes.. > McG. I have a 15" samsung tft http://computing.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/ps_1290522/114401.html with a response time of 25ms. Now i don't get any sort of ghosting with any games inc HL2, and i must have got lucky with no dead pixels. Only gripe is the resolution, but can't complain. -- A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new. McGrandpa, Can you set different resolutions or does that monitor only operate at 1280 x 1024? I have wanted to buy a nice LCD but was unsure about response times. Thanks, in advance for any input. Squat >>> AMD64 X2 4800+ >>> GA K8NS Ultra 939, F7 BIOS [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > any bad pixels. I have 1 dark one that comes on sometimes.. > McG. You can set it to quite a few resolutions, up to the max of 1280x1024. 60 to 75 hz refresh. Image is crisp, clear, sharp and saturated. It works well with the games too. Here, have a look: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&pr od_id=BI19BSSB McG. > McGrandpa, > Can you set different resolutions or does that monitor only operate at [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> any bad pixels. I have 1 dark one that comes on sometimes.. >> McG. awesome, Thanks! Squat > You can set it to quite a few resolutions, up to the max of 1280x1024. 60 > to 75 hz refresh. Image is crisp, clear, sharp and saturated. It works [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>> any bad pixels. I have 1 dark one that comes on sometimes.. >>> McG. >> Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! > > ..uh? Speaking of which, I notice you've launched your own range of clothing recently. I've seen your name writ large across several young ladies' behinds (which just happened to pass into my field of view). Well done! == Paul >>>Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've seen your name writ large across several young ladies' behinds (which just > happened to pass into my field of view). Well done! Ah yes, i see you've encountered members of my Fan Club. the cleverly designed eye-catching logo says it all... wear it loud 'n proud. SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench >>>> If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I >>>> think the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! I dl'd and installed the XP X64 seperate from my XP Pro... wow. Only game I've tried with it so far is Far Cry 64 bit, and it ROCKS! Doom3 next, then I need to figure how to get all my HL stuff onto the new rig without having to start over. 3DMark 03 and 05 (free versions) bm's will follow quickly :) Can['t wait to see how poorly it does! McG. >>>> If it's just trolling, it's getting pretty unpleasant, Jack. I think >>>> the line "Next you'll be putting the Indians in line with the blacks [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Benchmarks!! Want benchmarks!! Not so good yet... Athlon 64 X2 4800+ , 2 gigs PC3200 in dual channel, 6800GT Nvidia 77.77 64 bit drivers, XP Pro x64. Everything is stock clocked. 3DMark2001SE - 23051 3Dmarks 3DMark03 - 11369 3DMarks 3DMark05 - 4812 3DMarks which is bad as the P4 3.0E gets right at 5000. All these are posted and published at the ORB, look for McG. If you have something that's coded for 64 bit, it screams. If 32 bits, it screams with some things and with some it just looks like a stock clocked FX53, which isn't a bad thing, just not as fast as one might think? I haven't run any benches with Far Cry or Doom3, but Far Cry 64 bit is mind blowing. Doom3 has no optimizations I know of for 64 bit, but with Ultra quality mode selected, 4X aa and 1024x768 it is very fast, smooth and stunning visually. In 1280x1024 it chugs...but image quality is amazing. Now, I have to migrate my Steam/HL2 stuff from the old rig to this one. 10 megabits minimum on my LAN, so how would I do this? Just drag the C:\games\Steam folder to this machine and then what? :) Is this worth the bucks? Well, I don't know how a single core A64 behaves. So I can't compare it to anything but the P4's I' ve been running. I won't pay much attention to what I saw in 3DMark05, because its CPU bench seems to be seeing an Athlon XP 2400+. Perhaps if I could run two 3DMark05's side by side I could just add the scores together :) McG. > Not so good yet... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > run two 3DMark05's side by side I could just add the scores together :) > McG. You might be interested in a thread in c.s.i.p.g.a called 'Is Windows X64 destined to become the new Windows ME' (or words to that effect). OP was Magnalus. It's not a long thread and not every post was informative but some are. >> Not so good yet... >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Magnalus. It's not a long thread and not every post was informative but > some are. spell out that ng please? comp.sys.???? Google turned up nada on combinations of those words and 'Magnalus'... >>> Not so good yet... >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > spell out that ng please? comp.sys.???? > Google turned up nada on combinations of those words and 'Magnalus'... LOl, sorry. Steamdickhead crossposts it through here so thought you might have heard of it. No probs, it's... comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action I re-read the thread and it's not overly useful but the OP, Magnalus is using Win X64 so you might be able to have yourselves a conversation and swap notes, tweaks etc? "Shawk" snip >> spell out that ng please? comp.sys.???? >> Google turned up nada on combinations of those words and 'Magnalus'... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > using Win X64 so you might be able to have yourselves a conversation and > swap notes, tweaks etc? cool! Thanks, will hop over and see if he's talkative :) McG. > Good. > Now let's discuss something trivial! Ok - is it too late to just mention that I'm in two minds about Steam as a content delivery system? I'm sure there are arguments on both sides, but what I'd really, really like is to see them laid out clearly in Klingon (which is a real language!). That's not asking too much, is it? ___ Neil aka HighVis >> Good. >> Now let's discuss something trivial! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Neil > aka HighVis You mean .. qatlh tlhIngan Hol Dajatlhbe'? ...or 'why not say it in Klingon?' I think it's a good point but take it further. Developers should cater better for this 'real' language. After all in Oregon a mental health hospital advertised 'Position available: Interpreter, must be fluent in Klingon'. Jerry Jelusich, a procurement specialist for the county department of Human Services was quoted as saying "We have to provide information for all languages our clients speak" If a hospital is going to cater for Klingon then surely Valve should? Just to save a little bit of the debate that normally follows, some of it has already been done here... http://www.parapundit.com/archives/001240.html Neil, perhaps Steamkiller could take up your quest?... ;-) >>>Good. >>>Now let's discuss something trivial! [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > ;-) You're both clearly delusional. Klingon is *not* a real language and never will be. What I would really like to know is can anyone recommend a good UPS or surge protector? I can't find any really in-depth information on their effectiveness. Don't answer in Klingon, please. == Thad > You're both clearly delusional. > Klingon is *not* a real language and never will be. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > effectiveness. > Don't answer in Klingon, please. ROFL. Stop it Spyder. - - David davidfirewater(a)hotmail.com >>You're both clearly delusional. >>Klingon is *not* a real language and never will be. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ROFL. Stop it Spyder. Stop what? ** Thad ;-) > >>You're both clearly delusional. > >>Klingon is *not* a real language and never will be. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Stop what? Reverse trolling, shoog... it's not big, and it's not clever. Oh, wait a minute, yes it is! Reminds me what else we're missing in here lately - any contributions from our retarded sister newsgroup aghltfc... is it still going? They were pretty stupid, weren't they? ___ Neil aka HighVis Speaking of Klingons, the wonderful Boing Boing directed me to this list of Klingon fairy tales.. quite brilliant: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/22MikeRichardson-Bryan.html Particularly "Snow White and the Six Dwarves She Killed With Her Bare Hands and the Seventh Dwarf She Let Get Away as a Warning to Others" and the sublime "The Hare Foolishly Lowers His Guard and Is Devastated by the Tortoise, Whose Prowess in Battle Attracts Many Desirable Mates" :D ___ Neil aka HighVis >>>>You're both clearly delusional. >>>>Klingon is *not* a real language and never will be. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > from our retarded sister newsgroup aghltfc... is it still going? They > were pretty stupid, weren't they? Almost as stupid as the clerk at CIRCUIT CITY who waited on me the other day. I was in CIRCUIT CITY trying to find someone who had in-depth knowledge of UPS and SURGE PROTECTOR specs and maybe even some general house wiring knowledge. I really needed some SURGE PROTECTOR information. The clerk tried to sell me the most expensive items they had, but would only speak in KLINGON. I asked to speak to the manager of CIRCUIT CITY to complain and I told him, "KLINGON IS NOT A REAL LANGUAGE" but he would not kill the clerk or even have him whipped. I left CIRCUIT CITY in a huff and wonder if anyone else is as unhappy with them as I am. -- Thad Know what you mean... Went in mine the other day and the whole staff was speaking French and eating smelly cheese.... As I neared them they all jumped up and ran away screaming "RETRAITE, RETRAITE"...... >Almost as stupid as the clerk at CIRCUIT CITY who waited on me the other >day. I was in CIRCUIT CITY trying to find someone who had in-depth [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I left CIRCUIT CITY in a huff and wonder if anyone else is as unhappy >with them as I am. -- My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying. - > Know what you mean... Went in mine the other day and the whole staff > was speaking French and eating smelly cheese.... As I neared them they > all jumped up and ran away screaming "RETRAITE, RETRAITE"...... Dang, another hard-head catfish. /me gets out the catfish flipper and releases the ugly thing.... ;-) == Thad Circuit Ciry Sucks! Hi All! I have had a major bad experience with Circuit City. I have been making posts in a HDTV massage board so I could get help with my Sony KP53HS10 repair. The first tech CC sent out was horrible. He ended up doing more damage to my set than the original failure which was a D-board. CC still has not fully fixed my set. They never preformed their duties under the Extended Service Agreement I paid $399.99 for. If you ever do buy a product from CC, please do not buy the Extended Service Agreement. CC will not live up to their promises (contractual obligations)! I wish I was warmed before I made my purchase. I am now out $3,000 ($2599.99 + $399.99)!!! http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/460/3228.html?1123320124 I've learned my lesson the hard way! We, who have been wronged by Circuit City, must get the truth out!!! > Circuit Ciry Sucks! <snip> > I've learned my lesson the hard way! We |
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