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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / April 2005valve consistency making hl2 consoles the only proper version
valve is making a hl2 steam free version only for consoles is that a surprise? for those like myself which know very well what valve plans are, no it's not! its totally expected! since last year valve became a enemy of pc games since last year valve has been a dedicated destroyer of pc games, so this news is very consistent with what valve has been doing we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all . steam: valve are the creators of this extremely damaging technology with the only purpose of turning pc gamers into weak submissive brainwashed and imprisoned consumers . piracy: like i've been telling all along, steam actively promotes piracy and forces pc gamers into piracy making it the first system to officially promote piracy . consoles: this was the last one valve started supporting but i knew sooner or later it had to come, so valve wants to help even more the unfair competition we now face from consoles by giving preference and making available only in consoles the only proper version of there games this is all very consistent to what valve has been doing for the last months... they are following a very well conceived plan to destroy pc games valve mission is the destruction of the pc game market like we now have, creating a new one for their sole advantage so they can have total domination and control and turn it into a monopolistic environment and become the absolute ruler valve is now involved in everything damaging for pc games everything! so we have to give them credit, they are really good in doing it i know valve will never change... its obvious... we all know the only solution is they leaving pc games, so yes my wish is valve leave pc games and become a console only developer... it would be the best thing to save pc games from such a big and destructive menace -- post made in a steam-free computer i said "NO" to valve and steam > x-no-archive: yes > > valve is making a hl2 steam free version only for consoles > is that a surprise? So what? FPS on consoles are always a pathetic joke, because of the dire controls and laughable 'auto-aim'. It was a nice holiday, but I guess nothing good ever lasts. Looks like you finally talked your mom into letting you on the internet again. LOL. Remove nospam_ to reply by email Jeff H........ Lies, All lies. Don't believe a word Difool/sayNO/steamKiller says. He fears the truth! > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > post made in a steam-free computer > i said "NO" to valve and steam right, sarcasm, good!! (please tell me you are not serious) > right, sarcasm, good!! (please tell me you are not serious) He is ... And please stop crossposting when/if replying to this utter sh.t! thanks in advance - Peter >>right, sarcasm, good!! (please tell me you are not serious) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks in advance > - Peter He says while crossposting. I'm beginning to wonder what this AGHL actually stands for. LOL. What a chump. > He says while crossposting. I could have posted to AGHL only, but then the message wouldn't have been send to csipga, csipgr or csipgs and the message would have less to none relevance Though I wonder what rpg or strategic has to do with Steam > I'm beginning to wonder what this AGHL > actually stands for. I understand why you can't figure that > LOL. What a chump. I guess we are in the same boat then >> He says while crossposting. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I understand why you can't figure that How about explaining it for the rest of us? >> LOL. What a chump. > >I guess we are in the same boat then > How about explaining it for the rest of us? I can see that lately you have been posting from CSIPGA Now if you'd like to advertise for this group what would be one of many obvious things to do? Furthermore it's obviously a nice thing to be able to see at a glance from which group the message is originating from during massive ridiculous crossposting This to ensure that any "valid" response can go to the person in question without annoying others and without the need to send personal emails as email addresses found on the usenet is known to be of very little use XPOST: alt.games.half-life,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action FUT: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Please ignore the FUT set and post your message to a more appropriate group if you feel the need to do so Only use Xpost as a last resort >>> He says while crossposting. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How about explaining it for the rest of us? alt.games.half-life. > alt.games.half-life. Snigger. Did you get your T-Shirts yet? >> alt.games.half-life. > > Snigger. > > Did you get your T-Shirts yet? Would it matter if we hadn't? Nothing snipped to save this post for the ages. > valve is making a hl2 steam free version only for consoles > is that a surprise? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > it would be the best thing to save pc games from such a big > and destructive menace ROFL I knew that news would set you off. BTW, you may want to get rid of the needless cross posting. Google Groups is not shy to throw trolling idiots like yourself off if they get complaints. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > consoles by giving preference and making available only in > consoles the only proper version of there games Hello SAYNO2STEAM, why do you keep changing your name, do you think that someone will finally listen to your crap <snip> Then why didn't Valve make HL2 a Xbox exclusive ? -Mickmils "steamKILLER" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> once tried to test me with: > x-no-archive: yes I think you mean: x-coward: yes > valve is making a hl2 steam free version only for consoles > is that a surprise? I thought you were gone. <sigh> > for those like myself which know very well what valve plans > are, no it's not! its totally expected! No ONE expects the SPANISH INQUISITION!!! > since last year valve became a enemy of pc games No, not really. Enemy of losers like you, maybe. > since last year valve has been a dedicated destroyer of pc > games, so this news is very consistent with what valve has > been doing HOLY sh.t! You're RIGHT!! I have noticed that PC gaming is going downhill and it's all VALVES fault! First they release a #1 bestseller Half-Life which probably sold more new PC's than any other game in history, and then they have the BALLS to do it again 6 years later!! Those BASTARDS!!!!  SignatureKnight37 - http://knightgames.blogspot.com Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer. > we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy > and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all > . steam: valve are the creators of this extremely damaging > technology with the only purpose of turning pc gamers into > weak submissive brainwashed and imprisoned consumers It does this how? Personally I make my own decisions about when to play HL2 and whether to play it on-or offline. Recently I haven't been playing it at all. It's just a game. > . piracy: like i've been telling all along, steam actively > promotes piracy and forces pc gamers into piracy making it > the first system to officially promote piracy Valve is not supporting piracy. One of the stated aims of Steam is to make piracy harder. Instead of just copying the disc, the pirates have had to develop alternatives to Steam. I guess Valve knew this would happen sooner or later, but they did at least try to put up a barrier. In any case, Valve do not force you to pirate the game. If you can't afford it, or you don't like Steam, then don't buy the game. No one is forcing you to steal it. Would you steal a car just because you can't afford to buy it and you don't like the credit offers available? > . consoles: this was the last one valve started supporting > but i knew sooner or later it had to come, so valve wants > to help even more the unfair competition we now face from > consoles by giving preference and making available only in > consoles the only proper version of there games Valve have released all their games on to the PC first. The console game most likely won't be the "proper version" because of the limitations of consoles. They have developed for PC and then converted to console, not the other way round - exactly as you demand it should be. Hopefully, consolist scum will play the game and think "wow, PC owners get some great games - let's buy a PC". >> we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy >> and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > be. Hopefully, consolist scum will play the game and think "wow, PC > owners get some great games - let's buy a PC". There is no mention of all the negatives on the box. I uninstalled it and threw it in the bin when I realised what was going on. Having wasted my 35 pounds - I fully intend to crack this game and publish the crack on the web. As a retired software engineer I have the skills, time and inclination to do this. I feel ripped off. Regards > There is no mention of all the negatives on the box. What negatives? XPOST comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic, alt.games.half-life FUT: alt.games.half-life > There is no mention of all the negatives on the box. > I uninstalled it and threw it in the bin when I realised [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Regards Go ahead and waste your time cracking the game. Someone already beat you to it, but you feel free with all your leet skills to crack it. Every second you are cracking an already cracked game is one less second you will be posting your moronic posts on here. BTW, what negatives are you referring to. > There is no mention of all the negatives on the box. > I uninstalled it and threw it in the bin when I realised [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I feel ripped off. God help us if a sum greater than £35 is involved. What will you do if buy a car you don't like? Or a house? > God help us if a sum greater than £35 is involved. > What will you do if buy a car you don't like? > Or a house? Probably smoke some crack and put the car/house in the dustbin? >>> we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy >>> and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >Regards If a game company worried about trying to satisfy each and every customer out there, they'd go out of business. Can't please all of the people all of the time.... Id didn't make Doom3 compatible for Win9X. I feel negelected. And since I'm retired and bored and have the time... I'm going to do my best to rip them off. regards >>>> we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy >>>> and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > regards The majority of people are very anti this type of copy protection. Regards > The majority of people are very anti this type of > copy protection. And pirating the game will not encourage games companies to drop their copy protection schemes. >> The majority of people are very anti this type of >> copy protection. > > And pirating the game will not encourage games companies to drop their > copy protection schemes. I have no intention of pirating the game. The game has been paid for and I intend to break the copy protection so that I can play it and have my monies worth. The patch will be made public so that other people can do the same. This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws in that is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for. There is no mention on the box of these copy protection problems. Regards > This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws > in that is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for. Which one? The game suits me just fine > There is no mention on the box of these copy > protection problems. Did Valve anounce that the Steam thing is for copy protection? Actually Steam is a content delivery platform not a copy protection scheme Yes Steam has full control (almost) over the part of the disk where the system is installed, big deal And I dare say, never have it been easier to maintain a software installation And the full control thing? Come on - every mmorg out there does the same thing and have for ages >>>The majority of people are very anti this type of >>>copy protection. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Regards Boo ... bloody hoo - idiot. > This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws in that > is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for. > > There is no mention on the box of these copy protection problems. Do you have any idea how, as a "retired SW Engineer", stupid you are making yourself look? >> This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws in that >> is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Do you have any idea how, as a "retired SW Engineer", stupid you are > making yourself look? I really dont give a toss what the morons of this group think of me. At the end of the day I up speaking up on behalf of all pc gamers. > At the end of the day I up speaking up on > behalf of all pc gamers. Couldn't you please at least leave out those ~ 90.000 pc gamers currently playing on Steam servers? http://www.steampowered.com/status/status.html Thanks > Couldn't you please at least leave out those > currently playing on Steam servers? Hmm Average unique users per month: 2,357,394 :-) >>>This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws in that >>>is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > think of me. At the end of the day I up speaking up on > behalf of all pc gamers. Not for me you're not SW boy. Tell you what, I'll speak out for those of us who think you're a petty whining bighead with more hotair than substance : go and "hack the game" so you can "play it as you want to", then post your binaries and an explanation how you did it and we can compare it with the numerous versions already available to see how your accumulated "skills" compare to those who've hacked it months & months ago. PS, I played it twice with never an issue - bugs or STEAM. At the end of the day I up speaking up on > behalf of all pc gamers. That makes two of you - any relation to sayno2? SignatureIt's a bit of a jump isn't it? I mean, er, chartered accountancy to lion taming in one go. You don't think it might be better if you worked your way toward lion taming, say, via banking... >>> The majority of people are very anti this type of >>> copy protection. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Regards Take them to court if they broke UK consumer laws. regards <snip> >> If a game company worried about trying to satisfy each and every >> customer out there, they'd go out of business. Can't please all of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Regards The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy protections are out there, and nor do most of them care. regards > The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy > protections are out there, and nor do most of them care. They don't care until they pay money for a game doesn't work because of it. Then they get mad that there wasn't enough info about what is needed to run the game on the game box. >> The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy >> protections are out there, and nor do most of them care. > > They don't care until they pay money for a game doesn't work > because of it. Then they get mad that there wasn't enough > info about what is needed to run the game on the game box. OK, what was needed that wasn't on the box. It says internet connection needed, and the system specs are reasonably accurate. What is missing. > >> The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy > >> protections are out there, and nor do most of them care. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > OK, what was needed that wasn't on the box. It says internet connection > needed, and the system specs are reasonably accurate. What is missing. "An internet connection is required to install this game". That's all. That is where HL2+Steam differs from the norm. I agree with those that think this sentence should have appeared on the box. I disagree with those that think its absence is a license to pirate the game, or create Steam replacements that allow others to pirate the game. >> >> The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy >> >> protections are out there, and nor do most of them care. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I agree with those that think this sentence should have appeared on the > box. I dont have a problem with needing an internet connection to install the game. I assumed it would be some sort of activation process like windows xp. I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I need to play the single player version of the game. This is a complete departure from the norm. They probably didnt put this on the box due to the possibility of limiting sales. I would never have bought it. Regards > I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I > need to play the single player version of the game. You don't. All you need to do is go on-line and log into your steam account ONCE. But.... ...do no log out. <--- VERY IMPORTANT BIT After that, you need never go on-line again to play the single-player version. SignatureCarl Waring http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 >> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I >> need to play the single player version of the game. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > After that, you need never go on-line again to play the single-player > version. Thanks for info although a little late :-) > Thanks for info although a little late :-) Yes. As a retired SW Engineer, you have just learnt the valuable lesson of reading READMEs, asking people or GOOGLING before making a tit of yourself and proclaiming grand things to come from your computer keyboard. >> Thanks for info although a little late :-) > > Yes. As a retired SW Engineer, you have just learnt the valuable lesson of > reading READMEs, asking people or GOOGLING before making a tit of yourself > and proclaiming grand things to come from your computer keyboard. I still dont know how to rectify the situation. Please tell. >>>Thanks for info although a little late :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I still dont know how to rectify the situation. > Please tell. AFAIK you're going to have to bite the bullet, log back onto Steam (getting any updates you haven't already) and then do as Carl said. If you then block Steam and HL2 in your firewall it can never dial home again (uless/until you allow it) and will continue to operate in off-line mode. SignatureIt's a bit of a jump isn't it? I mean, er, chartered accountancy to lion taming in one go. You don't think it might be better if you worked your way toward lion taming, say, via banking... >> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I >> need to play the single player version of the game. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > After that, you need never go on-line again to play the single-player > version. So - Is there a way of recovering the situation after logging out ? Regards > So - Is there a way of recovering the > situation after logging out ? The logout thing was an option in Steam way back Today you need to select "Log in as a different user" in order to do a completely log out from Steam Note: Don't tick the "Don't save account information in this computer" as this will prevent you effectively from playing in offline mode As a sidenote: It is seldom that I actually shutdown my OS, under normal condition I use the "standby" option I have in XP Steam is always running in the background I can do what I like doesnt matter if my laptop is attached to the network or not HTH [Removed comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic from crossposts] >> So - Is there a way of recovering the >> situation after logging out ? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Today you need to select "Log in as a different user" in order to do a >completely log out from Steam Actaully, it's easier than that to log out. If you leave the "remember password" option unchecked at the login screen, you get auto-logged out. Otherwise, it's more than happy to keep you logged in. > Actaully, it's easier than that to log out. If you leave the "remember > password" option unchecked at the login screen, you get auto-logged out. > Otherwise, it's more than happy to keep you logged in. Ahh yes, the remember password thing has to be set as well Cheers :-) >>> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I >>> need to play the single player version of the game. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Regards Yes. Login again. :-) SignatureCarl Waring http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 >>>> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I >>>> need to play the single player version of the game. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Yes. Login again. :-) You mean keep logging in every time I want to play. Seems to me that there is no way to retrieve the situation. A very unfriendly piece of software with no thought given to the ends user. Regards > You mean keep logging in every time I want to play Read the whole thread Advice given elsewhere >>>>> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I >>>>> need to play the single player version of the game. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Regards No, Terry. Re-read what I wrote! If you stay logged-in then you can play off-line. If you ever log out (for any reason) then the only way to "retrieve the situation" (what a weird phrase) is to go on-line and log in again Simple, really! :-) SignatureCarl Waring http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 > >>>>> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I > >>>>> need to play the single player version of the game. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >>>> After that, you need never go on-line again to play the > >>>> single-player version. > >>> So - Is there a way of recovering the situation after logging out ? > >> Yes. Login again. :-) > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "retrieve the situation" (what a weird phrase) is to go on-line and log in > again Simple, really! :-) When you're finished playing, just exit out of Steam (or shut down the PC). Do not attempt to "Log out" - just close the Steam application. The quickest way is to single click the Task Bar icon and select Exit from the menu. Next time you start Steam up, you will still be logged in and can play offline immediately. >>>>>> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I >>>>>> need to play the single player version of the game. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > "retrieve the situation" (what a weird phrase) is to go on-line and log in > again Simple, really! :-) Thank you for your patience :-) soooo - if I reboot or switch off then I need to log back on to Valve. This is a terrible way to have to play a game. I will try somebody elses suggestion and re log on as somebody else. I have Googled for other people having these problems and they are very common. I will never buy another Valve game. I dread to think how difficult it be be to play this game on a dial up connection. All I ever wanted was a simple single player game. Did Valve create all this confusion deliberately so that people were forced to use their very expensive telephone support number. I have been playing pc games since 1982 and hope that future games are not going this way. Once again thanks for your help. Regards Terry > Thank you for your patience :-) > soooo - if I reboot or switch off then I need to log back on to Valve. Ehh no Tick the "remember to save password" and don't tick the "Do not store info on this rig" And you're set to go If you shutdown Steam or reboot your machine either will Steam just connect silently or if no network connectivity ask you if you'd like to play offline Rather simple actually > This is a terrible way to have to play a game. Steam has it small flaws Valve haven't done it any easier as Steams GUI interface have changed quite a bit the last couple of years > All I ever wanted was a simple single player game. Go get the XBox then :-) > Did Valve create all this confusion deliberately so that people were > forced to use their very expensive telephone support number. I doubt it rgds >> Thank you for your patience :-) >> soooo - if I reboot or switch off then I need to log back on to [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > rgds Up until this game I havent had too many problems with PC games. Thank you very much for your help. I now have enough info to sort this out. Time to sign off from this thread. Regards Terry >> No, Terry. Re-read what I wrote! If you stay logged-in then you can play >> off-line. If you ever log out (for any reason) then the only way to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Thank you for your patience :-) >soooo - if I reboot or switch off then I need to log back on to Valve. Tell Steam to remember your password. >I have Googled for other people having these problems and they >are very common. These are very common because most people don't know how to read an FAQs: http://home.covad.net/~k25125/SteamyThings/Steam_Offline_Play_FAQ.htm I have had no problems launching Steam in offline mode. There may be a problem with the games nut being fully downloaded (or being corrupted - there's currently a thread on the steampowered.com message boards), but the main Steam client allows authentication using cached data and remembered passwords. Might as well killfile this thread. If things have to be explained multiple times, then there's obviously nothing productive going on. > Thank you for your patience :-) > soooo - if I reboot or switch off then I need to log back on to Valve. > This is a terrible way to have to play a game. No, no no! There is a check box about remembering your password. LEave it either checked or unchecked so that Steam remembers which password (I forget which way it is but it's very clear, the way it is written). And then, just don't click on anything marked "logoff" and you're fine. You can shut Steam down and it will remember who you are when you start it up again, even if you've turned the PC off in between. And so long as it knows who you are, you don't need to go online - it will offer you "offline mode" instead. > I will try somebody elses suggestion and re log on as somebody else. If you do that then you will not be able to play your games. The games are registered against your Steam account. If you log on as someone else, you will be able to play THEIR games, but not your own. > I dread to think how difficult it be be to play this game on a dial up > connection. Yeah, not ideal, but on a dial-up it's even easier to play offline. Steam can only make use of an existing open internet connection. It cannot open one itself. It cannot dial up by itself. Effectively, on dial-up you are offline by default. Shame it takes so long to download updates, but it also takes a long time to download music, films, apps etc. That's dial-up for you. > All I ever wanted was a simple single player game. > > Did Valve create all this confusion deliberately so that people were > forced to use their very expensive telephone support number. I am one of the many people who installed it straight out of the box and it just worked. I understand other people's frustrations and there are some "features" of Steam I would change, but I treat it like any other game or application on my PC and use it when I want to, on my terms. > I have been playing pc games since 1982 and hope that future games > are not going this way. > > Once again thanks for your help. I hope you enjoy playing HL2. > I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I > need to play the single player version of the game. You don't. As I said : you're making yourself look really silly. > I agree with those that think this sentence should > have appeared on the box. I don't know No matter how clear you label the box there's always some moron buying the game without reading the requirements I bought FFXI to the kids without realising that's it's a online game only and there's a monthly fee Not a big problem in real-life (tm), just an example on how foolish one can be :-) Usually I have read the various previews/reviews before buying games HL2 is without competition the installation we have which is easiest to maintain on a regular basis Oh FFXI is also selfmaintain, but you can't move the darn thing around without getting in trouble rgds >>>>The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy >>>>protections are out there, and nor do most of them care. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > "An internet connection is required to install this game". "Broadband recommended" would help too. And something to make it clear this goes for single-player as well as multiplayer. > That's all. That is where HL2+Steam differs from the norm. > I agree with those that think this sentence should have appeared on the > box. > I disagree with those that think its absence is a license to pirate the > game, or create Steam replacements that allow others to pirate the game. > > "An internet connection is required to install this game". > > "Broadband recommended" would help too. > And something to make it clear this goes for single-player > as well as multiplayer. I haven't got the box in front of me so can't check, but does it list Minimum and Recommended spec or just Minimum? Should all games list Recommended spec in an idel world? personally I find that helpful. Having run the same vid card for the past few years, it was useful to know how my machine compared to the Recommended spec, because that is the level at which the game will run well. Minimum spec just means "won't crash immediately" to me. > Should all games list Recommended spec in an idel world? In an ideal world the box should state minmum and recommended specs for CS:S, HL2, HL2DM and the Source SDK And the everyone would be even more confused than today :-) Recommended specs for SourceSDK is a bit higher than for eg HL2 I have seen some cases where people is trying to run eg the Hammer World Editor on a lowend Geforce4 440 MMX 64Mb card - and don't understand why it won't work Cheers Sweet Jesus, do you have any idea what a tool you are? HTH, -joe. Why do people bother telling PC users that some console or other will have a game we had years ago? A game that will be uncontrollable, auto-aim crap. Crap with no new maps or mods or skins. I mean, who cares about FPS's on consoles? They always have been laughable and they always, always will be. |
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