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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / April 2005Valve & PC Gamer release patches
Apologies for the x-post but these two groups seem to have borne the brunt of the Valve/Steam debate The latest UK DVD Edition of PC Gamer (May) has 4.5GB of HL2 and CS:S patches and updates including the bots for CS:S - in fact the full Steam cache as available at whatever point the DVD was burned. It was released for "everyone who is struggling to download the files online" Seems like Valve *does* listen to gamers... Let the flamewars begin ;-)  SignatureIt's a bit of a jump isn't it? I mean, er, chartered accountancy to lion taming in one go. You don't think it might be better if you worked your way toward lion taming, say, via banking... > Apologies for the x-post but these two groups seem to have borne the > brunt of the Valve/Steam debate [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Let the flamewars begin ;-) ...no point x-posting if you dont spell the ngs correctly... SignatureIt's a bit of a jump isn't it? I mean, er, chartered accountancy to lion taming in one go. You don't think it might be better if you worked your way toward lion taming, say, via banking... >> Apologies for the x-post but these two groups seem to have borne the >> brunt of the Valve/Steam debate [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> cache as available at whatever point the DVD was burned. It was >> released for "everyone who is struggling to download the files online" How about adding a Steam decryptor to the DVD as well.... So that those who have HL2 won't be using the CDs for wall-paper when Valve goes belly-up. Can't hurt Valve much, since sales of HL2 have slowed to a mere trickle. Can't be long now until the Steam-less GOTY edition of HL2 at $19.99..... John Lewis >> Seems like Valve *does* listen to gamers... >> >> Let the flamewars begin ;-) > >...no point x-posting if you dont spell the ngs correctly... > Can't be long now until the Steam-less GOTY edition of HL2 at > $19.99..... LOL. Still hoping eh? Jesus it must hurt to have all your predictions of doom & gloom laughed at so bad. >> Can't be long now until the Steam-less GOTY edition of HL2 at >> $19.99..... > >LOL. Still hoping eh? Jesus it must hurt to have all your predictions of >doom & gloom laughed at so bad. Hi.......... Nice to see that you are still around. Still haven't got over your HL2 love-affair ? Played it through 30 times yet ? Gabe still sending you a monthly retainer ? John Lewis >>>Can't be long now until the Steam-less GOTY edition of HL2 at >>>$19.99..... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John Lewis No. Played it fully twice though : great game. You should try it instead of pretending to have played it. Gabe left me for you : said something about liking "bad boys". >>>>Can't be long now until the Steam-less GOTY edition of HL2 at >>>>$19.99..... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Gabe left me for you : said something about liking "bad boys". Haven't seen him waddling up my driveway...will let you know if/when I do. John Lewis >LOL. Still hoping eh? Jesus it must hurt to have all your predictions of >doom & gloom laughed at so bad. I doubt it will be long either. I can already buy Doom3 for $29.99 CAD. >Can't be long now until the Steam-less GOTY edition of > HL2 at $19.99..... That's when Valve will finally get my money for HL2. -- Best Regards, mattchu np: [ ] > Apologies for the x-post but these two groups seem to have borne the brunt > of the Valve/Steam debate [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Let the flamewars begin ;-) Ooooooh no it isn't, or something... ;o) Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in news:1113415652.51041.0 @dyke.uk.clara.net: > Apologies for the x-post but these two groups seem to have borne the > brunt of the Valve/Steam debate [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Let the flamewars begin ;-) I wish sayno was here to see this Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in news:1113415652.51041.0 >@dyke.uk.clara.net: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Let the flamewars begin ;-) Well finally the sons of a bitches are starting to admit that ***THEY DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH*** for their god damn piece of crap steam. By releasing the patches on CDs, they are openly admitting they have a problem. And 4.5GB of patches you say? WTF? Are the patching the games or releasing a new ones? And now since the admittance problem is kinda in the open, I hope the fix the real problem. In the meantime, I have no choice but to block steam with my f.wall/router. I'm playing HL2 for a 2nd round, and this time I don't want to be disturbed by god damn 6hr updates. Jesus christ! I pity those who don't know how to configure their equipment/software to block off steam. To e-mail, remove the obvious > Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in news:1113415652.51041.0 > Well finally the sons of a bitches are starting to admit that ***THEY > DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH*** for their god damn piece of crap steam. Eh? I didn't think Steam's bandwidth was the problem, but the end user's. Not to say I think Valve shouldn't have done this before, but I think the problem is the non-ubiquity of broadband, not Valve's lack of bandwidth capacity (they seem to have more room in their pipes than Christina Aquilera). P. > Well finally the sons of a bitches are starting to admit that ***THEY > DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH*** for their god damn piece of crap steam. Rubbish, i have never had any problems getting updates. > By releasing the patches on CDs, they are openly admitting they have > a problem. And 4.5GB of patches you say? WTF? Are the patching the > games or releasing a new ones? No they are admitting that some moronic gamers persist in trying to play high end games that require an internet connection with crappy computers and trickle speed dial up. > And now since the admittance problem is kinda in the open, I hope the > fix the real problem. Only way to do that is to ban all users with slow a.s connections. > In the meantime, I have no choice but to block steam with my > f.wall/router. I'm playing HL2 for a 2nd round, and this time I > don't want to be disturbed by god damn 6hr updates. Jesus christ! Good id rather you not slow the rest of the interent down with your pissant connection. The largest update i have gotten from steam took me a whopping 25 minutes, and i was downloading a movie at the time. > I pity those who don't know how to configure their equipment/software > to block off steam. I pity those who cant afford a decent computer and decent connection to play the game like it is ment to be played. SignatureDalienX >I pity those who cant afford a decent computer and decent connection to >play the game like it is ment to be played. You f.cking idiot! What makes you think/presume that my connection and PC are poor? I'm running a 3Ghz and a 1.5Mbs so shut ya trap u f.cking gay aussie! To e-mail, remove the obvious > "DalienX" wrote: >>I pity those who cant afford a decent computer and decent connection to >>play the game like it is ment to be played. > You f.cking idiot! > What makes you think/presume that my connection and PC are poor? > I'm running a 3Ghz and a 1.5Mbs so shut ya trap u f.cking gay aussie! Your connection and PC are fine. It's your communication skills that are subnormal. "Vince" <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:3xL7e.89583 $Nr5.51400@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk: >> "DalienX" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > It's your communication skills that are subnormal. I dunno, I understood perfectly. You don't really get a much clearer message than "shut ya trap u f.cking gay aussie!" But perhaps his diplomacy skills are a little rusty. SignatureKnight37 - http://knightgames.blogspot.com Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer. > "Vince" <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:3xL7e.89583 > $Nr5.51400@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > But perhaps his diplomacy skills are a little rusty. True, but as you say, communication is about getting your message across clearly. In the case above, AccessDenied (I can't be arsed with all that shift key stuff) says one thing, but the message I get is: "I can't tell the difference between a general statement ('I pity those who...') and a personal statement, so I'm going to swear and presume the other guy is an antipodean practicing homosexual*." * I think this is what he meant, rather than just a homophobic insult. I could be wrong, but I try to think the best of people. "Chadwick" <chadwick110@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1113581507.430742.86750 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > * I think this is what he meant, rather than just a homophobic insult. > I could be wrong, but I try to think the best of people. LOL. SignatureKnight37 - http://knightgames.blogspot.com Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer. <snip BS> > I pity those who cant afford a decent computer and decent connection to > play the game like it is ment to be played. It's dumbass comments like this that burn my a.s. You don't realize that's it not always a money issue but availablility issue? Not everyone lives in an urban area with highspeed right to their doorstep. I suffered under the 56K modem (with 26.4K connection speed) for years until a company installed a good fixed wireless system to get me a highspeed connection. Even then it's gawdawful expensive but hey... I was desperate. Even so, CS:S was playable with my crappy modem connection. Thanks to Valves amazing netcode, a 300ms ping still made the game playable. Not the best way to do it but it was still possible. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com Wireless is the sh.t. Just got megabit wireless in an urban area (with no cable/dsl). For the money, you couldn't beat it with a big stick, its damn fast. Civilian_Target > <snip BS> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Valves amazing netcode, a 300ms ping still made the game playable. Not > the best way to do it but it was still possible. > Wireless is the sh.t. Just got megabit wireless in an urban area (with > no cable/dsl). For the money, you couldn't beat it with a big stick, its > damn fast. > > Civilian_Target Is this Wi-Fi or licensed frequency? There wer 2 companies around. One seeling cehaper Wi-Fi (8 kms range) froma mini-node to their main tower. Didn't like path it was taking. I found a "local" company (local is in they are 100kms away and I'm 30Kms from their tower but since it's all their own frequency they got the reach and NO interference. Unfortunately costs go UP then. Ouch... >> <snip BS> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Valves amazing netcode, a 300ms ping still made the game playable. Not >> the best way to do it but it was still possible. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com Licensed frequency. It's €50 a month, which is marginally cheaper than DSL here, and substantially faster. Constantly low pings, static IP and plenty of upload bandwidth. Only thing is occasional weather-related outages and having a big sail strapped to your chimney! Civilian_Target > Is this Wi-Fi or licensed frequency? > There wer 2 companies around. One seeling cehaper Wi-Fi (8 kms range) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the reach and NO interference. > Unfortunately costs go UP then. Ouch... > Licensed frequency. It's €50 a month, which is marginally cheaper than > DSL here, and substantially faster. Constantly low pings, static IP and > plenty of upload bandwidth. Only thing is occasional weather-related > outages and having a big sail strapped to your chimney! > > Civilian_Target Sounds similar to mine. Good speeds considering how it all works, Dynamic IP but it hasn't changed in 3 months. My uploads a little light at 256K and I have monthly caps of 10Gig for download. I'm Cdn$80 a month for 1meg DL\ 256K Up ($40 for Internet, $40 for the hardware) compared to DSL\Cable here which goes for $45 for 3meg DL and up to $65 for 10meg DL. Hardware and install was the big hit. It's going to take me 42 months of $40 a month to pay off the hardware costs. :-\ Outages are occasional for me too but I thinks it's distance related as I'm on the edge of good connection at 30 kms. If I got up another 20 feet on my aerial (I'm at 40 feet now) I should be Ok but that means more hardware cost to my tower. The antennae I have isn't very obtrusive. Mine is just a 12" x 12" white square. >> Is this Wi-Fi or licensed frequency? >> There wer 2 companies around. One seeling cehaper Wi-Fi (8 kms range) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> the reach and NO interference. >> Unfortunately costs go UP then. Ouch... SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com > Mine is just a 12" x 12" white > square. Same, except its mounted on a chimney rather than its own seperate tower. And I don't have line of sight, and I haven't got a cap. Difference is, I'm in the city, and this is the cheapest there is... You're in the schticks and it actually costs about the same! Civilian_Target >> Mine is just a 12" x 12" white square. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Civilian_Target So you got yours based on price? I got mine because that's all that's available to me. Nowadays pretty well and half-assed village with population of 2000 is getting high speed wired to it. I was pushing hard to actually move the family 13Kms into the nearest village to get high speed. :-\ I mean that wasn't the *only* reason... I ummm would be closer to my job so we could sell our second vehicle to save money... ya ya that's it.. save money. All in all the almost $2000 in hardware costs for wireless was still cheaper than moving. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com >I pity those who cant afford a decent computer and decent connection to >play the game like it is ment to be played. I have a fairly decent PC and cable connection but my ISP limits my download bandwidth to 10gb per month. I can't afford to waste that bandwidth on some stupid FPS game. > "DalienX" wrote >>I pity those who cant afford a decent computer and decent connection to >>play the game like it is ment to be played. > I have a fairly decent PC and cable connection but my ISP limits my > download bandwidth to 10gb per month. I can't afford to waste that > bandwidth on some stupid FPS game. I wouldn't waste my money on a stupid FPS game full-stop. >>I pity those who cant afford a decent computer and decent connection to >>play the game like it is ment to be played. > > I have a fairly decent PC and cable connection but my ISP limits my > download bandwidth to 10gb per month. I can't afford to waste that > bandwidth on some stupid FPS game. A "stupid" FPS game doesn't use near as much as cracnking down music and movies. A good long CS:S match gets me a couple hundgred megs download\upload where as a 700 meg movie in under 3 hours really gets me close to my 10 Gb cap. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com > I wish sayno was here to see this Looks like his step-dad, John Lewis, filled in the void. >> I wish sayno was here to see this > > Looks like his step-dad, John Lewis, filled in the void. lol looks like it >Apologies for the x-post but these two groups seem to have borne the >brunt of the Valve/Steam debate [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Let the flamewars begin ;-) wtf 4.5gb of updates,how much hd space does the game, hl2 and cs:s take up? i don't have hl2,and as my broadband is capped i don't think i would want to download the game and then 4 .5gb of updates on top..what is the total install size of the game plus updates? 7gigs plus?seems bloody huge. > how much hd space does the game, hl2 and cs:s > take up? I have approx 10 Gigs here Steam cache is ~ 6.5 Gig SourceSDK_Content is using 800 Mb (work in progress, samples, extracted content etc) rgds > > how much hd space does the game, hl2 and cs:s > > take up? > > I have approx 10 Gigs here > Steam cache is ~ 6.5 Gig I never realised it was that big! My broadband is capped at 2gb per month. If I were to buy HL2 over Steam it would take me months to get it (obviously the install package wouldn't be 10gb, but even at half the size it would take three months). Thank God they still sell it on a disk. If HL2 is any indication of the size of a Big Name Game nowadays, then I think the retail industry is still safe and SayNo can sleep at night. >>> how much hd space does the game, hl2 and cs:s >>> take up? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the size of a Big Name Game nowadays, then I think the retail > industry is still safe and SayNo can sleep at night. Whats the use of having bb if they put such a tight cap on you? I have a 5mbit connect and I've hit 2gb in a day many times. McG. >>>> how much hd space does the game, hl2 and cs:s >>>> take up? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >a 5mbit connect and I've hit 2gb in a day many times. >McG. i have half megabit broadband and i downloaded 4gigabytes of movies [not 'instructional' videos] from family in australia in less than 24hrs. my mother-in-law, whom the movies were for, would have used her whole months allowance for this 1 task. i pay £25 per month, she pays £18 per month - 3/4s the price for 1/30th the service. sayNOtocaps anyone? dr ratt > >>>> how much hd space does the game, hl2 and cs:s > >>>> take up? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > 1/30th the service. > sayNOtocaps anyone? I pay £15.99 for Tiscali's 1mb service, capped at 2gb. Interestingly (or not - you be the judge) the Tiscali Broadband page is now carrying disclaimers about how that much is OK for regular users: "The average Tiscali Broadband customer uses less than 0.8GB usage allowance each month. Therefore, a 2GB monthly usage allowance is more than sufficient for the majority of users. " Sound like they're on the defensive, so maybe it's just a matter of time before they open this up a bit. I used to be on the 128mb service and they scrapped that and auto upgraded me to 256 at no cost. Then they scrapped that and I got upped again, so I think the cap will go soon. I don't dl films or even music, so a 2gb cap is fine for me. >"The average Tiscali Broadband customer uses less than 0.8GB usage >allowance each month. Therefore, a 2GB monthly usage allowance is more >than sufficient for the majority of users. " If we give that piece of logic a tiny twist, you end up with "The average customer uses less than 0.8GB each month. Thus there is no need to put a cap on traffic." - -- Frode > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > customer uses less than 0.8GB each month. Thus there is no need to put a > cap on traffic." But then the heavy downloaders would jump on board and the average usage would increase. The cap is there to make big downloaders pay more. >But then the heavy downloaders would jump on board and the average >usage would increase. >The cap is there to make big downloaders pay more. Big downloaders will go with another service that charges them based on the bandwidth, not the traffic. Unless, of course, there's zero competition. In that case I can see how they manage to offer no unlimited service and still stay in business. That's not to say there isn't room for offering subscriptions with bandwidth caps. But that price point seems to indicate something's a bit out of whack. - -- Frode >>>>> how much hd space does the game, hl2 and cs:s >>>>> take up? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > dr ratt Ya sure got THAT right!! McG. >>Apologies for the x-post but these two groups seem to have borne the >>brunt of the Valve/Steam debate [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >top..what is the total install size of the game plus updates? 7gigs >plus?seems bloody huge. 6.76 gig which includes all the various games except HL:S, straight after installation it was around 5 gig IIRC, the rest being downloads of things like DOD, CS:S, HL:OF etc. -- ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere!Thekeytoanysecurity systemishowit'sdesigned!Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned! Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect! (Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World - Vila in typical panic mode) |
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