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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / April 2005what steam takes from you? EVERYTHING!
= what steam takes from you = by sayNO2steam = version 1.0 - introduction this is the list of conditions you now freely have in any normal pc game but with steam based pc games like hl2 its taken all away from you steam makes this all possible, cause it takes complete control over you and your personal gaming habits its irrelevant if valve has not yet apply some of this cause what is important is valve having the power to do it, and they have - listing what steam takes from you . your freedom to freely keep the game you no longer have the assurance you can keep the game which you legally purchase cause valve through steam can revoke at any time that ability you have to play the game or decide to apply others fees or even monthly fees for you to continue playing . your freedom to freely play the game you no longer have the freedom to freely play a game whenever you want but its steam which decides if you can or not play the game, so its steam which now has the power to let you play or not the game and not your own personal free will . your freedom to freely install the game you no longer have the freedom to freely install the game whenever you want and whatever pc you choose cause you can only do it if you have all steam requirements including an internet connection and only after you asked permission and valve gave the approval . your freedom to freely patch the game you no longer have the freedom to freely patch a game like you normally do but instead you must use steam and only it can patch the game, so its no longer possible to do it without a internet connection or distribute the patches to other friends so they can also apply to their games, and there is also the possibility valve starting to apply fees for patches . your freedom to freely choose the game's version you no longer have the freedom to freely choose the game's version you want to play cause steam is the only way to patch the game and its only steam which decides what patch to apply . your freedom to freely sell it in the 2nd hand market you no longer will have the freedom to freely sell you game in the 2nd hand market cause valve made sure to block that also . your freedom to freely play games anonymously you no longer will have the freedom to freely play games anonymously cause valve wants to know who you are and only then will they let you play . your freedom to be a free pc gamer using steam valve takes everything from you, and you will no longer be a free pc gamer but instead an imprisoned and totally controlled one - conclusion bottom line and replying to the question "what steam takes from you?" the complete answer is "EVERYTHING" so protect your consumer rights! and your own freedom! and own dignity! SAY NO TO STEAM! SAY NO TO VALVE! SAY NO TO HL2! - other documents by the same author . "guidelines for good buying habits in pc games" - contact and feedback please email to sayNO2steam@yahoo.com - thanks this is very much inspired by brilliant analyses by the fellow poster Vader des Vaderlands which i want to thank for his great contribution to this group and to the good of pc games - version 1.0 updated 11 march 2005 originally posted to the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* newsgroups hierarchy <end of document> -- post made in a steam-free computer i said "NO" to valve and steam against steam campaign http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/ steamwatch - independent observatory about steam http://www.steamwatch.org/ please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at: http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html Everything? Let your estate let us know when Steam takes your life.  Signature"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft <snip> > - conclusion > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > SAY NO TO VALVE! > SAY NO TO HL2! I have an internet connection. I like automatic updates I do not wish to sell HL2 I do not wish to install it on another PC I don't care if Valve has my email address. My HL2 experience is a lot better than HL1 thanks to Steam. > . your freedom to freely keep the game Shite > . your freedom to freely play the game Shite > . your freedom to freely install the game > you no longer have the freedom to freely install the game whenever you > want and whatever pc you choose cause you can only do it if you have all > steam requirements including an internet connection and only after you > asked permission and valve gave the approval Needs an internet connection, for all those morons who've been living under a rock or can't read the box. After that it will install fine. > there is also the possibility valve starting to apply fees for patches No there isn't, gibbering paranioa. > . your freedom to freely choose the game's version > you no longer have the freedom to freely choose the game's version you > want to play cause steam is the only way to patch the game and its only > steam which decides what patch to apply So what FFS. > . your freedom to freely sell it in the 2nd hand market > you no longer will have the freedom to freely sell you game in the 2nd > hand market cause valve made sure to block that also Well, I wouldn't let that stop me. What are they going to do? This will be legally challenged and flung out at some point. > . your freedom to be a free pc gamer > using steam valve takes everything from you, (looks around) Nope, house, wife, kids, car still present. > - other documents by the same author Documents. LOL. SignatureSomewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot. > = what steam takes from you > = by sayNO2steam > = version 1.0 > > - introduction blah blah blah > - listing what steam takes from you > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you have to play the game or decide to apply others fees or even monthly > fees for you to continue playing You don't purchase the game. You purchase a license to run the software. Licenses may be revoked or suspended. > = what steam takes from you > = by sayNO2steam [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > <end of document> You really are a sad little sh.t aren't you, get a f.cking life, if you want campaign against something try war or poverty, not a f.cking hobby, which you freely admit that you can only play the older games like wolfenstein 3d or doom and while enjoyable games hardly make you a true gamer,or one who has any clue about gaming in the 21st century, I've decided to give up trying to use logic to combat your rabid foaming paranoia and just sink to your level of baseless accusations and insults. SignatureYou're not a God, you're a birthday cake! <snip> I'm not crazy. You're the one that's crazy. You're driving me crazy. They stuck me in an institution. Said it was the only solution. To give me the needed professional help. To protect me from the enemy--myself. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > To give me the needed professional help. > To protect me from the enemy--myself. Can you get me a pepsi? >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Can you get me a pepsi? He's crazy...normal people won't be acting that way! On 3/11/2005 5:50 PM Grackle brightened our day with: > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > all he wanted was a Pepsi. SignatureSteve ¤»Inglo«¤ www.inglostadt.com > On 3/11/2005 5:50 PM Grackle brightened our day with: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > all he wanted was a Pepsi. Yes, that's how we know he's crazy. A normal person would have asked for a Coke. :-) SignatureMorgan. ---- * You see in this world there's 10 kinds of people my friend, those who understand binary, and those who don't. Morgan Sales <msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> typed as if devouring a plate of spoo: >> On 3/11/2005 5:50 PM Grackle brightened our day with: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Yes, that's how we know he's crazy. A normal person would have asked > for a Coke. :-) I must be crazy too then ;) Signature-- There is no spoon. EvilBill - http://evilbill.50megs.com/index.html My Quake2 FTP site: ftp://65.30.181.223/quake2/EvilBill/ Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) >>> all he wanted was a Pepsi. >> >> Yes, that's how we know he's crazy. A normal person would have asked >> for a Coke. :-) > > I must be crazy too then ;) I think that goes without saying. :-) SignatureMorgan. ---- * Oh, God, no. Ugh. Did you know that having a hangover is... is not having enough water in your body to run your krebs cycle? Which is exactly what happens to you when you are dying of thirst. So, dying of thirst would probably feel pretty much like the hangover that finally bloody kills you. Morgan Sales <msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> typed as if devouring a plate of spoo: >>>> all he wanted was a Pepsi. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I think that goes without saying. :-) Phack u ;-) Signature-- There is no spoon. EvilBill - http://evilbill.50megs.com/index.html My Quake2 FTP site: ftp://65.30.181.223/quake2/EvilBill/ Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) > Can you get me a pepsi? ahh can you make that a diet pepsi.. sitting on my a.s playing this game has made it rather big > - introduction Well this is the most amusing thing I've read in ages. Though the crossposting more than marks him by a spammer. Stumbled today to the mumblings of his, a fun read. But - what Steam gives to me? - The ability to own and play a wonderful game. Good enough for me :) j. >= what steam takes from you > = by sayNO2steam [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > you have to play the game or decide to apply others fees or even monthly > fees for you to continue playing Learn to read a f.cking EULA, all other game companies can do that right now. YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > . your freedom to freely play the game > you no longer have the freedom to freely play a game whenever you want > but its steam which decides if you can or not play the game, so its steam > which now has the power to let you play or not the game and not your own > personal free will Bullshit, there is a thing called OFFLINE mode, if you are going to spout your anti steam crap, at least have the common courtesy to get your facts straight. YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > . your freedom to freely install the game > you no longer have the freedom to freely install the game whenever you > want and whatever pc you choose cause you can only do it if you have all > steam requirements including an internet connection and only after you > asked permission and valve gave the approval Every single PC game has min specs, no different , other than requiring an internet connection. e.g Battlefield 1942 while having a single player aspect (crappy AI bots), you also need an internet connection. YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > . your freedom to freely patch the game > you no longer have the freedom to freely patch a game like you normally > do but instead you must use steam and only it can patch the game, so its > no longer possible to do it without a internet connection or distribute > the patches to other friends so they can also apply to their games, and > there is also the possibility valve starting to apply fees for patches Bullshit actually, I recently got my game up to the latest patch at work, I simply copied my steam directory onto a DVD and loaded it at work, no internet connection required. YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > . your freedom to freely choose the game's version > you no longer have the freedom to freely choose the game's version you > want to play cause steam is the only way to patch the game and its only > steam which decides what patch to apply Wrong again, simply don't allow steam to automatically update the game. YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > . your freedom to freely sell it in the 2nd hand market > you no longer will have the freedom to freely sell you game in the 2nd > hand market cause valve made sure to block that also You can sell it, just simply give the person you are selling it to your steam account info.... YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > . your freedom to freely play games anonymously > you no longer will have the freedom to freely play games anonymously > cause valve wants to know who you are and only then will they let you > play A friend of mine purchased his game offline at EB, when he created his steam account, he gave false info. Guess what, he can play no problem at all. YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > . your freedom to be a free pc gamer > using steam valve takes everything from you, and you will no longer be [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > . "guidelines for good buying habits in pc games" Good according to you. It appears that perhaps you are a slave to the retail chain. Do you own a retail pc gaming store by any chance. In conclusion YOU ARE A f.cking MORON > > . your freedom to freely sell it in the 2nd hand market > > you no longer will have the freedom to freely sell you game in the 2nd > > hand market cause valve made sure to block that also > > You can sell it, just simply give the person you are selling it to your > steam account info.... YOU ARE A f.cking MORON Just a minor correction from pedant's corner... Assuming the EULA is enforceable (I won't go into the arguments about this here), as you imply in an earlier part of your post, then the HL2 game can be sold on, but the Steam account cannot. Therefore you need to de-register your CD code from your account in order to sell the game. Currently Valve charges $10 for this. Therefore you cannot simply sell your CD to someone else; you must pay Valve $10 first. The alternative is to say "stuff the EULA" and hand over your Steam account as well as the game. The more canny sellers will have set up a unique Steam account with a non-specific name so that it can easily be transferred to another person. sayNO2steam <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> typed as if devouring a plate of spoo: > steam makes this all possible, cause it takes complete control over > you and your personal gaming habits I dunno, I still have 40-odd games that I can play without Steam, so I can't say it takes control of my gaming habits! Plus I still have a non-Steam install of HL1 and Opposing Force. Signature-- There is no spoon. EvilBill - http://evilbill.50megs.com/index.html My Quake2 FTP site: ftp://65.30.181.223/quake2/EvilBill/ Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) >= what steam takes from you >= by sayNO2steam >= version 1.0 > >- introduction I won't claim to have all the information on Steam and what it actually does, but something that causes that much ire in somemone (And others as I've heard Steam criticized before) has me curious. The only thing I remember/know about Steam was that it creates an exact duplicate?? of your game installation in order to combat online cheaters? I would welcome something like that personally as I despise cheaters with an unholy passion, but I would also be somewhat leery of what a big and drastic change would mean for the future of FPS online gaming. I could go on and on and offer up mere speculation and fears about what Steam could spell for the future, but I won't. I would just like to say that I wouldn't want to have to start paying a monthly fee to play a FPS shooter multiplayer online. Granted for some it'd be worth it (Rich sods! :-) ), but it'd be a bitter pill for me to swallow after not having to pay for it for so long. I mean, is this where things could be reasonably extrapolated as heading? On 4/22/2005 9:28 AM Blabbus Blabbibicus brightened our day with: > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >heading? > not at all, and the information you think you have is wrong. steam doesn't make any duplicates. it's a content delivery as well as an authentication system. most people who complain about it are whiny nut jobs. Like any internet service, it isn't perfect, it can screw up from time to time and be annoying. the worst thing that can usually happen is you can't log in, you can't update and for some reason it won't let you play offline, i'm guessing that can happen, it might have happened to me once, but I didn't really pay attention, just tried again a couple hours later and everything was fine. their also might be a minuscule amount of people who had their accounts disabled because of a glitch and through no fault of there own, that might have happened even to upwards of a 1000 people, people with legitimate beefs eventually had their situations rectified by Valve. On the other hand there were tens of thousands of accounts disabled for people trying to cheat Valve (actually they were disabled because the people were idiots who didn't know how to cover their a.ses), they got what they deserved, yet still whine about it. as long as fps multiplayer games rely on the public to create and maintain the game servers you won't see anyone charging a fee. mmporpg require a fee to maintain their servers (and make a profit). SignaturePeople of the United States! We are Unitarian Jihad! We can strike without warning. Pockets of reasonableness and harmony will appear as if from nowhere! Nice people will run the government again! There will be coffee and cookies in the Gandhi Room after the revolution. Steve ¤»Inglo«¤ www.inglostadt.com Well written :-) > as long as fps multiplayer games rely on the public to create and > maintain the game servers you won't see anyone charging a fee. As long as stupid bastards (like me) make maps and run servers for the pleasure of it I don't expect Valve to charge a fee for running Steam They better not as this online thing will die a sudden death otherwise :-] On the other hand you might find hosting business offering eg powerfull servers on huge bandwith for a monthly fee That's quite natural and should be considered an internet service like eg mailservers, webserver and other hosting business and is imho not a bad thing Lastly Steam could be a delivery platform for mod teams delivering top of the art addons for HL2 and acquire a payment for these addons Only time will tell :-) > mmporpg require a fee to maintain their servers (and make a profit). The difference here is that it's a company running an service and adding new content on regularly basis This comes with a price - like mailserver, webservers etc :-) rgds >Well written :-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >They better not as this online thing will die a sudden death otherwise >:-] heh..I didn't even think about that. DOH! Of course its the thousands of cool people hosting servers with their time and money who make FPS multiplaying game a reality and it'd be a stupid software developer that tried to highjack their servers. Still though, I wouldn't doubt it for a second that Valve would be interested in having such a system up and running. Hmmm..what if they paid people who run servers to run their servers (As you mentioned)? I can easily imagine a system where they'd pay servers for the amount of traffic/users they attract and maybe sign them up to run a certain gametype or mod. Hmm...interesting... >not at all, and the information you think you have is wrong. steam >doesn't make any duplicates. it's a content delivery as well as an [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >know how to cover their a.ses), they got what they deserved, yet still >whine about it. I can see how that would be annoying, esp. if all the multiplayer games you played were Half Life mods. But if didn't happen more often than the usual old Valve authentication screwups I probably wouldn't mind...well..not that much. I'm not sure about the not being able to play offline bit. "That* would probably rile me up and get me questioning whether it was worth it or not; as would disc copy protection that intereferred with the game I was playing. Oh well...I'll leave it all to when I get Half Life 2. [SNIP] > I can see how that would be annoying, esp. if all the multiplayer > games you played were Half Life mods. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Oh well...I'll leave it all to when I get Half Life 2. As someone who has been using steam since cs1.6, I can say without a doubt, that I have had a grand total of 25 minutes since cs1.6 was released that I have not been able to connect. And I normally play about an hour or so a day of CS1.6/Source or Natural Selection via steam a day, since then, so you can judge how reliable it is for yourself. Regarding Offline play, you can do that as long as you have logged into steam at least once. You can even play Counter Strike Source with bots offline, and having done this on various train journies, it creates zero hassle. Since I can be switching computers often, and travel a lot, it is a simple case of me copying the steam folder over (Copied to a trusty DVD), and logon via the hotels net connection/phoneline then logout to play against bots. The default bots are quite good and actually talk to you, E.g "Bombs at A" Etc, and are of higher quality than most public server players. > The default bots are quite good and actually talk to you, > E.g "Bombs at A" Etc, and are of higher quality than > most public server players. You have probably nailed the problem with this comment of yours ... Well put and very well written Cheers :-) Yo tambien...I just started playing hl a few months ago, and didn't have a Steam acct. Loaded it up and played it nearly all the way thru. Then got on Steam to update and play DOD. I like steam. BTW, Ya gotta love the net...just spent a few minutes Steve ¤»Inglo«¤ browsing thru your apartment . |
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