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difool - 26 Jan 2005 09:30 GMT
its frightening what companies like intel, microsoft and others want to
do to us pc users with tcpa
valve is only doing their own version with steam and not waiting for tcpa
thanks for "claudevms" for posting tcpa site http://www.againsttcpa.com
a site like that but dealing with steam would be very important... i guess
we have already a good name "www.againststeam.com" we only need to register
and do content... any volunteers? since the beginning of november when hl2
was released i've been asking for gamers against steam mobilize and do a
proper website but unfortunately nobody replied
will a so necessary site dealing with steam be ever a reality?

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chadwick110@hotmail.com - 26 Jan 2005 10:25 GMT
I had a look at that site, but it's not translated very well, so I
found it hard to understand what tcpa was and what the problem is. Some
kind of hardware-based encryption or security that will only allow
registered programs to work?

Good luck with your againststeam website. I can't help because I know
nothing about making websites, but also because I've thought about your
3 issues against Steam, and I don't agree:

1) Games must come in a box.
It's very satisfying owning the box, but in the case of HL2 you didn't
get anything extra in it. I'd be willing to forego the box in such
cases. It's alrerady happening in the music industry, where you can
download albums, and a lot of software is download only (have you even
seen a boxed version of WinZip?) Think of all the mods for games such
as original HL; the vast majority are download only. I would download a
game if it was cheaper and I wasn't missing out on anything
significant. Perhaps a good compromise would be if they also made the
artwork and instructions available as a pdf, so you could download them
and make your own box?

2) Patches available separately.
Personally, I like my software checking for updates whenever I go
online. Saves me constantly monitoring everything. I can see your point
that if a patch doesn't work, you at least have the option of not
installing it (if you hear abvout it in time) or reinstalling the game
and patching up to the previous level, but that's the only scenario in
which I think it's useful. If you play online, your client needs to be
the same version as the server, so it's useful to be automatically
patched. Again, maybe the next revision of Steam could compromise by
asking you to OK an update before continuing, maybe giving you the
option to continue unpatched if you want (although you'll probably come
undone as soon as you try to connect to a multiplayer server).

3) No authentication required.
Do you mean the initial authentication on installing the game? If it
makes it harder to pirate the game and therefore keeps the street-price
down, I am in favour of authentication. It doesn't take long and is
exactly the same as installing WinXP or most other software and games,
except that it's done over the internet.
If you mean authenticating your account whenever you go online, well
didn't that always happen with the old WON servers? What's changed?
It's just Valve's way of checking that only people who bought the game
can play it. Doesn't every online game employ some kind of check like
this, even if it's entering a username and password? Whenever you go
online, your internat account is authenticated in much the same way? Do
you resent this "humiliating" check as well? I have no problem with my
access rights being checked in this way, if it stops other people using
the licence thatI paid for.
difool - 27 Jan 2005 11:47 GMT
> I had a look at that site, but it's not translated very well, so I
> found it hard to understand what tcpa was and what the problem is. Some
> kind of hardware-based encryption or security that will only allow
> registered programs to work?

basically its hardware and software that will control have you can and
cannot run in your own computer
with tcpa you lose complete control of what programs you can run
its a complete nightmare, its making "1984" reality
its so so wrong i cannot believe it will ever be possible

> Good luck with your againststeam website. I can't help because I know
> nothing about making websites, but also because I've thought about your

i'm sorry to hear that cause only in group could we do something
and i wasn't asking for webmasters, i was only asking for gamers who
oppose steam and feel something has to be done about it

> 3 issues against Steam, and I don't agree:
>
> 1) Games must come in a box.
> It's very satisfying owning the box, but in the case of HL2 you didn't
> get anything extra in it. I'd be willing to forego the box in such

please don't use a BAD example to excuse the end of something
hl2 sold in retail has a very BAD packaging so its not a good example
. the cover is crappy (i don't understand the mug shot)
. doesn't have a manual (it should had one)
. case didn't have room for all cds (a shame and wrong doing)

but just because the packaging in hl2 is BAD that doesn't mean you can
justify the death of selling game in a physical medium version cd/dvd
cause its still be best way to buy games!

them there is other very important thing about physical medium cd/dvd
its the backup
you always need a backup, you can't pay for software and keep it only
in your local hard-drive cause its no assurance at all
and for backup the best is always a manufactured cd/dvd
home-made cd/dvd cost more and are unreliable
bottom line, owning the manufactured cd/dvd of a game is always best!

> cases. It's alrerady happening in the music industry, where you can
> download albums, and a lot of software is download only (have you even

music is completely different from pc games
i don't feel music and pc games have anything in common and should be
sold the same way

for example in music you have:
each song in digital format has only a few megabytes
each week many dozens of songs are released
millions and millions of songs have been created
music is relatively inexpensive to create
you can buy music cheaply
you can listen to hundreds of music in a single day
in your music collection you own hundred of songs
you can find music players for a low price
listening to a single song is a few minutes experience
you spend long hours listening to music
you listen to music when you drive, when you walk, when you read, etc
you can play music is a immense variety of players
you can play music with portable devices

pc games is a completely different picture
each games currently has at least one or more gigabytes
only a few releases each month
not many pc games are developed each year
pc games takes lots of time and money to make
you need a complete crew of individuals to create a pc game
you can't do anything else when you are playing a pc game
you spend few hours a day playing games
game collection are always much smaller
playing a single game can last for months and even years
buying pc games is much more expensive than music
you need a much more expensive equipment to play games than to play music
you can only play pc games in pcs
pc games are not for portable devices

so i don't feel there is anything in common between pc games and music
so its not a good comparison, they are too worlds completely apart

> seen a boxed version of WinZip?) Think of all the mods for games such

again the wrong comparison
don't try and put all software in the same place
you don't sell all the software the same way!
a system utility like winzip has nothing to do with pc games!
so please let us not use the successful examples of online distribution
with small utilities and programs to justify the same to pc games cause
its not the same!
you can't sell winzip like a pc game! YOU CAN'T! ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

> as original HL; the vast majority are download only. I would download a

the issue is not downloads!
we all know downloading mods and patches are great for pc games!
what we are talking about is steam!
what we are talking about is SELLING GAMES!
what we are talking about is MAKING MANDATORY NET ACCESS FOR SINGLE-PLAYER!
those are the issues!
off course downloading is great! but you can put mods and patches in a
magazine cd and distribute to those you don't have net access or can't do
massive amount of downloads, something you can't do with steam
so the REAL ISSUE is FREEDOM and not making it REQUIRED having NET ACCESS

don't use the good of the net to justify steam, specially steam being
mandatory!
steam using the good of the net to make it bad for gamers!

> game if it was cheaper and I wasn't missing out on anything
> significant. Perhaps a good compromise would be if they also made the
> artwork and instructions available as a pdf, so you could download them
> and make your own box?

off course not! why should i want that?
these are not those games you buy a kit and you spend hours putting
it all together and gluing and painting

i don't have any problem if you don't want a box or manual or even a
cd, but please let us who like it have it!

what i'm asking is CHOICE! its FREEDOM to choose!
steam TOOK away the CHOICE! steam TOOK away the FREEDOM!
is this so difficult to see?
the main issue in steam is TAKING AWAY THE CHOICE!

i respect you wanting to buy and play games using the internet
but please respect me! I DON'T LIKE TO BUY AND PLAY GAMES USING THE NET!
let there the hl2 with a steam version and a steam free version!
i'm only asking for hl2 to be sold as a normal regular tradition pc game!
if you want steam choose steam! but let us also buy hl2 like any other game!
oh my god! IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?????
GOD HELP ME MAKING THEM UNDERSTAND!!!!

> 2) Patches available separately.
> Personally, I like my software checking for updates whenever I go
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> option to continue unpatched if you want (although you'll probably come
> undone as soon as you try to connect to a multiplayer server).

i've been telling this since be beginning
the issues with steam are SINGLE-PLAYER only!
what i'm asking is for gamers in SINGLE-PLAYER games not being forced to
have internet access to install, play and patch the games they bought
i want single-player pc games not requiring net to install and play
and patches be available as separate files for easy distribution and
anyone without net access can also patch the game

basically what i'm asking is for the current traditional system to stay
the same!
if its being working for so many years, if pc games are so popular why
change? why change something which is working fine???

i don't mind you having steam and you liking it and you wanting it doing
the auto-patching and finding patches for you... i'm only asking for it
not be MANDATORY!
valve is forcing steam is everyone of us!
there is no choice! with valve or you use steam or you are out!
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO WRONG!

> 3) No authentication required.
> Do you mean the initial authentication on installing the game? If it
> makes it harder to pirate the game and therefore keeps the street-price
> down, I am in favour of authentication. It doesn't take long and is
> exactly the same as installing WinXP or most other software and games,
> except that it's done over the internet.

what about those you don't have internet access???
i know you are selfish but try and think besides yourself!
try and think not everyone has your gaming system!

and don't give microsoft as an example... only thinking about it makes
me depressed... knowing pc games are hostage of microsoft
oh it would be so good being free of microsoft!

and as for piracy, i believe publishers have to protect there work and
we should all fight piracy, me you and everyone, but you can only do it
if it doesn't damage the consumer and making doing an activation via the
net so you can installing and playing a game is going too far and its
wrong!  publishers instead have to work harder with others means of
fighting piracy, ones that don't harm the gamers!

> If you mean authenticating your account whenever you go online, well
> didn't that always happen with the old WON servers? What's changed?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> access rights being checked in this way, if it stops other people using
> the licence thatI paid for.

again... i don't know how many times have i say this
steam issues are only SINGLE-PLAYER RELATED!
oh god... i've written this so many times
MY ISSUES WITH STEAM ARE ONLY SINGLE-PLAYER RELATED!
hope it will be the last time i wrote it...

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Hank the Rapper - 26 Jan 2005 12:48 GMT
<snip>

Jump the Shark: A defining moment when you know that your favorite
television program/musical band/usenet troll has reached it's peak. That
instand that you know from now on, it's all downhill.

You may go away now difool. Your jump the shark moment was your "Valve is
ugly" thread. You have ceased being amusing in any way.
difool - 27 Jan 2005 11:47 GMT
you never understood me, that's why you came with the ridiculous spammer
conspiracy theory

i don't want to be funny!
i don't care if you think i'm a troll!
i don't care if you killfile me!
i don't care if i'll become boring and repetitive

i know i'm starting too lose steam (not the other one) but i'm only here
for the games and i will only go away in one of these three conditions
. if sierra wins and hl2 will have a steam free version
. if valve wins and every pc game will be steam based
. if i get tired and give up

so please get used to the idea i'll be staying here for a while
i'm not funny! i'm boring! i'm repetitive! i simply say always the same!
i want steam away from pc games!

you never understood what i'm all about...
i'm simply a guy who was put aside and is complaining... and he will
keep complaining until things change or he gives up
its ridiculously simple but you still don't get it

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James Garvin - 27 Jan 2005 17:49 GMT
> i don't want to be funny!
> i don't care if you think i'm a troll!
> i don't care if you killfile me!
> i don't care if i'll become boring and repetitive

Off meds
Desosa - 26 Jan 2005 15:07 GMT
> its frightening what companies like intel, microsoft and others want to
> do to us pc users with tcpa
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> post made in a steam-free computer
> i said "NO" to valve and steam

Not being funny, but if you don't like Steam and Valve, then isn't it a
simple process to 'not buy anything' from them? Every argument has a flip
side, and your views are narrow. It all comes down to how responsible the
said company is. If Valve oversteps its mark, then I will join you, but so
far they are behaving responsibly.

If you like, I will point you in the direction of some causes that really do
need someone to help spread the word. Causes where peoples lives are
directly affected, and have little to do with 'just a game'.

Finally, could you tell me what your eventual aim is? Also, how many years
you intend to dwindle your life away over this?

ho hum.
Arcana Dragon - 26 Jan 2005 21:05 GMT
> Finally, could you tell me what your eventual aim is? Also, how many

Are you asking him to elaborate further on his crappy nonsense? Give him
your email-adress, if you're so interested, and spare the rest of us, for
heavens' sake!

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James Garvin - 26 Jan 2005 17:29 GMT
> its frightening what companies like intel, microsoft and others want to
> do to us pc users with tcpa
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> proper website but unfortunately nobody replied
> will a so necessary site dealing with steam be ever a reality?

I thought TCPA was dead and gone...the P4 was supposed to have it, but
it doesn't...right?  Plus, you can deactivate it anyway...
Grackle - 27 Jan 2005 00:27 GMT
> its frightening what companies like intel, microsoft and others want to
> do to us pc users with tcpa
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> proper website but unfortunately nobody replied
> will a so necessary site dealing with steam be ever a reality?

I was wary of this whole steam thing, but now I've changed my mind.  When
you consider that its main detractor is a raving lunatic, the argument
against steam loses all credibility.  Difool has demonstrated to us that
only raving lunatics oppose steam.  Do you really want to pledge your
allegiance to such a person?  Do you want his collapsed reputation to rub
off on you?  No, my friends, you don't!  This is why I encourage all good
citizens to support steam.  Down with difool, up with steam.  Vote for steam
and send a clear message against lunacy.
Jim Vieira - 27 Jan 2005 01:11 GMT
"Grackle" <nowhere@lalaland.ca> wrote in message news:QzWJd.7977> I was wary
of this whole steam thing, but now I've changed my mind.  When
> you consider that its main detractor is a raving lunatic, the argument
> against steam loses all credibility.  Difool has demonstrated to us that
> only raving lunatics oppose steam.

I've rallied against steam, and I'm far from a raving lunatic (although
I can already sense people like Yachtboy coming to post some witty
retort about my mentality).  DiFool is not a raving lunatic either. You
are really over-stating the case in a huge way, to bolster your point
of view.

I've re-read his message here a couple times, and others, and he
may rant a bit and be a bit over the top. But he's far from a madman.
Raving lunatic?  Come on man... Let's get some perspective here,
instead of grandstanding.
Grackle - 27 Jan 2005 02:10 GMT
> "Grackle" <nowhere@lalaland.ca> wrote in message news:QzWJd.7977> I was
> wary
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Raving lunatic?  Come on man... Let's get some perspective here,
> instead of grandstanding.

Oh oh, I've done it again...never take anything I say seriously.  Usenet is
a plaything for me.  In fact, I didn't even read difool's entire post.
Jim Vieira - 27 Jan 2005 08:35 GMT
> Oh oh, I've done it again...never take anything I say seriously.  Usenet is
> a plaything for me.  In fact, I didn't even read difool's entire post.

Oh... um, nevermind.. (runs for cover)

J
Cannon Fodder - 27 Jan 2005 02:43 GMT
Steam is GREAT... Ya are a raving lunatic.... What's yer problem with
Steam???

>"Grackle" <nowhere@lalaland.ca> wrote in message news:QzWJd.7977> I was wary
>of this whole steam thing, but now I've changed my mind.  When
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Raving lunatic?  Come on man... Let's get some perspective here,
>instead of grandstanding.

 

    "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with
     the intention of arriving safely in an attractive
     and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
     sideways, cigarette in one hand, favorite beverage in
     the other, between the legs of a hot lady, body
     thoroughly used up, totally worn out,and screaming
     WOO HOO - What a Ride!"

        I didn't compose this but I love it!!!
Civilian_Target - 27 Jan 2005 17:06 GMT
I don't like steam. It burns me.

Civilian_Target

> Steam is GREAT... Ya are a raving lunatic.... What's yer problem with
> Steam???
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>          I didn't compose this but I love it!!!
lyset - 28 Jan 2005 21:09 GMT
> I don't like steam. It burns me.

Drunk again?   ; )

lyset
redTed - 27 Jan 2005 05:33 GMT
> I've re-read his message here a couple times, and others, and he
> may rant a bit and be a bit over the top. But he's far from a madman.
> Raving lunatic?  Come on man... Let's get some perspective here,
> instead of grandstanding.

You've read the Valve is Ugly thread, right ?

And this..from yourself ? Replying directly to the moron.

"Ok, come on now. I was on your side on this thing so far,
but clearly you are fed up that that the other threads died and
wanna restart it all again.  Just let it go man.  It's over"

You're just as deluded as the idiot difool.
cr0n1k@hotmail.com - 27 Jan 2005 05:36 GMT
You morons need to give it up, difool in particular.

Steam is here to stay and you can rant all you like but it won't change
a thing.

Don't like steam? then don't play steam games, simple.
Jim Vieira - 27 Jan 2005 08:37 GMT
> You morons need to give it up, difool in particular.
>
> Steam is here to stay and you can rant all you like but it won't change
> a thing.
>
> Don't like steam? then don't play steam games, simple.

Thank you Captain Obvious.  Some are only wary about
the future implications and the direction delivery methods
are moving in.

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. I've already
said what I have to say, several times over.
James Garvin - 27 Jan 2005 17:48 GMT
>>You morons need to give it up, difool in particular.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the future implications and the direction delivery methods
> are moving in.

Jim...I think the point is that Steam has yet to prove itself as
menovolent.  I tend to think Steam (and Valve...in general) is pretty
benevolent.

They haven't sold my information to anyone, they haven't taken advantage
of the fact that I'm connected to them almost everytime my computer
turns on, and they haven't tried to take over or do anything "bad" to my
games or to my connection.

Hell, I think bittorrent is worse than Steam :-) :-) :-) (just in case
nobody sees the first :-) )

> I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. I've already
> said what I have to say, several times over.
i own a yacht - 27 Jan 2005 11:28 GMT
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Jim Vieira <whiplashr@wi.rr.com.remove.this.to.reply> wrote:

> I've rallied against steam, and I'm far from a raving lunatic
>
> DiFool is not a raving lunatic either.

explains itself really.
difool - 27 Jan 2005 11:47 GMT
probably the ugly thread was a mistake but i still think the logo is
an unfortunate choice, steam site not having pictures is completely
puzzling and making the gordon dude like a hollywood hunk "cruise"
is not remotely applicable to games... but is was only my opinion

although i really don't care what people say, its always nice to hear
some words of support
thanks

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James Garvin - 27 Jan 2005 17:49 GMT
> probably the ugly thread was a mistake but i still think the logo is
> an unfortunate choice, steam site not having pictures is completely
> puzzling and making the gordon dude like a hollywood hunk "cruise"
> is not remotely applicable to games... but is was only my opinion

On meds
Golf33 - 28 Jan 2005 09:41 GMT
Still not capitalising the "I" though. I wonder if that's significant in
some way?

Regards
33

>> probably the ugly thread was a mistake but i still think the logo is
>> an unfortunate choice, steam site not having pictures is completely
>> puzzling and making the gordon dude like a hollywood hunk "cruise"
>> is not remotely applicable to games... but is was only my opinion
>
> On meds
Alfredo Tutino - 29 Jan 2005 23:52 GMT
Golf33 <no@no.no> wrote in message 41fa08d6$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Still not capitalising the "I" though. I wonder if that's significant in
> some way?

OTOH... English is the only language I know that capitalizes the first
person singular pronoun. Now, mightn't it be rather more interesting to muse
on the significance of *THIS* fact, possibly?

Alfredo
Golf33 - 31 Jan 2005 06:56 GMT
Reminds me of the joke about eating habits.

I forget exactly how it goes but it basically lists a bunch of non-english-
speaking societies that have a very high-fat, cholesterol-laden diet but
very low incidences of heart disease. Then it points out the high incidence
of heart disease in english-speaking societies with similar diets and
concludes,
"it's not what you eat - it's speaking English that kills you!"

Regards
33

> Golf33 <no@no.no> wrote in message 41fa08d6$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Still not capitalising the "I" though. I wonder if that's significant in
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Alfredo
Kaos - 28 Jan 2005 14:11 GMT
>"Grackle" <nowhere@lalaland.ca> wrote in message news:QzWJd.7977> I was wary
>of this whole steam thing, but now I've changed my mind.  When
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>I can already sense people like Yachtboy coming to post some witty
>retort about my mentality).  DiFool is not a raving lunatic either.

He does a good impression of one, then.
Pointing that out in defence of Steam is pure ad hominem fallacy, of
course, but that doesn't change the fact that DiFool, at least, comes
off as a raving lunatic.

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Bob Perez - 27 Jan 2005 01:48 GMT
> I was wary of this whole steam thing, but now I've changed my mind.

Because of one Usenet poster? Lol you must be kidding.

Anyway, there's not a lot these days that Jim Vierra and I agree on, but one
thing for sure is that it doesn't take a raving lunatic to see that Steam is
insidious and worth opposing by means other than simply walking away without
a purchase (which I've already done btw). I see some spirited activism on
difool's part, and I don't see any evidence to suggest that he doesn't show
the same level of commitment to other causes that you might consider more
worthy of attention. I don't follow his posts, maybe the rest of them have
been over the top, but it's not a valid reason imo to change your mind about
a topic this important to all of us.

But as I say, I don't believe you really did change your mind, I suspect
you're just having fun with him.

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difool - 27 Jan 2005 11:47 GMT
i'm not the proud type who will never change his mind only
cause his stubborn, but with steam its simply cause its
so damn wrong there is really no way i will ever feel good
about it

even feeling much alone in this group since the beginning,
i really apreciate your words
thanks

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Grackle - 28 Jan 2005 03:53 GMT
>> I was wary of this whole steam thing, but now I've changed my mind.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> But as I say, I don't believe you really did change your mind, I suspect
> you're just having fun with him.

Yes, I was kidding.  I could care less about the direction of
copy-protection in computer games; it's an absurdly trivial subject.  In one
corner of the world, hundreds of thousands die within seconds, while in
another corner, some jaded dolt goes on a futile crusade to guard his right
to play pretend soldier without need of an internet connection.  I really
don't give a sh.t about the inconvenience imposed by Steam.
not.so.sure@gmail.com - 28 Jan 2005 04:45 GMT
All the bull about a company that we ALL payed to play their games...If
you want to change it then DO something about it...instead of sitting
here whining. I quit Everquest 2 years ago for the same reasons, if you
are that enraged then find someway to deal with it. We would all be
better off if we didnt play these damn games. Take it to heart, but
dont try to revolt from a system that you arent even a part of.
riku - 28 Jan 2005 13:48 GMT
>Yes, I was kidding.  I could care less about the direction of
>copy-protection in computer games; it's an absurdly trivial subject.  In one
>corner of the world, hundreds of thousands die within seconds, while in
>another corner, some jaded dolt goes on a futile crusade to guard his right
>to play pretend soldier without need of an internet connection.  I really
>don't give a sh.t about the inconvenience imposed by Steam.

Whee, what bright logic! Just to make you feel better: it doesn't
matter if hundreds of thousands die within seconds, because they would
die anyway some day. In fact, at some point all life will cease to
exist from planet Earth altogether, probably much earlier than when
sun expands enought to swallow Earth.

So in the cosmic scale, nothing matters and people should not complain
about anything, right? After all, life is futile, everyone will die
eventually.

Interesting someone would bring that up on a newsgroup called
comp.sys.IBM.PC.GAMES.ACTION, though. I mean, come on, why are people
talking about PC games here, when there are thousands of people dying
all over the world EVERY DAY?!? And born too, which is gross too, with
all the blood and screaming. Yuck!
James Garvin - 28 Jan 2005 16:40 GMT
> Interesting someone would bring that up on a newsgroup called
> comp.sys.IBM.PC.GAMES.ACTION, though. I mean, come on, why are people
> talking about PC games here, when there are thousands of people dying
> all over the world EVERY DAY?!? And born too, which is gross too, with
> all the blood and screaming. Yuck!

A) Grackle is a troll
B) ROTFLMAO blood and screaming....sounds like a great action game!
Grackle - 29 Jan 2005 01:30 GMT
>> Interesting someone would bring that up on a newsgroup called
>> comp.sys.IBM.PC.GAMES.ACTION, though. I mean, come on, why are people
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> A) Grackle is a troll
> B) ROTFLMAO blood and screaming....sounds like a great action game!

You call that trolling?  That's too mild to be trolling.
James Garvin - 29 Jan 2005 05:37 GMT
>>>Interesting someone would bring that up on a newsgroup called
>>>comp.sys.IBM.PC.GAMES.ACTION, though. I mean, come on, why are people
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> You call that trolling?  That's too mild to be trolling.

I didn't say you were a good troll...IRRC you have a failing troll
grade...you better get cracking the quarter is almost over...
Grackle - 29 Jan 2005 14:46 GMT
>>>>Interesting someone would bring that up on a newsgroup called
>>>>comp.sys.IBM.PC.GAMES.ACTION, though. I mean, come on, why are people
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I didn't say you were a good troll...IRRC you have a failing troll
> grade...you better get cracking the quarter is almost over...

I'm sure someone out there is offering courses; or maybe I can apprentice
myself to a grand master of trolling, like they used to do in the old days.
James Garvin - 29 Jan 2005 16:44 GMT
>>>>>Interesting someone would bring that up on a newsgroup called
>>>>>comp.sys.IBM.PC.GAMES.ACTION, though. I mean, come on, why are people
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I'm sure someone out there is offering courses; or maybe I can apprentice
> myself to a grand master of trolling, like they used to do in the old days.

I'm pretty sure they offer trolling classes at your local CC
Grackle - 29 Jan 2005 01:29 GMT
> Whee, what bright logic! Just to make you feel better: it doesn't
> matter if hundreds of thousands die within seconds, because they would
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> all over the world EVERY DAY?!? And born too, which is gross too, with
> all the blood and screaming. Yuck!

So how about I take my car and ram it up your backside at 100 mph.  Doesn't
matter that you'll die, you would die anyway, someday.  Why should they even
put me in prison.  Your logic is even brighter than mine.

As for babies, women should be genetically engineered to lay eggs that then
grow outside the body, and hatch nine months later.  The birth would take
place in an automated hatchery, where the newborn is hosed off and delivered
to the expectant mother on a conveyor belt, much like luggage is received in
an airport.  The waste products can be used for expensive gourmet dishes
that are sold to the Japanese for thousands of dollars a glass.
Golf33 - 31 Jan 2005 07:00 GMT
Urk. That's an image I'll need a wire brush to scrub out of my mind.

> As for babies, women should be genetically engineered to lay eggs that
> then grow outside the body, and hatch nine months later.  The birth would
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> gourmet dishes that are sold to the Japanese for thousands of dollars a
> glass.
Cannon Fodder - 27 Jan 2005 02:29 GMT
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Support steam
with your very souls!!! I do like Steam by the way... :)

>> its frightening what companies like intel, microsoft and others want to
>> do to us pc users with tcpa
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>citizens to support steam.  Down with difool, up with steam.  Vote for steam
>and send a clear message against lunacy.

 

    "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with
     the intention of arriving safely in an attractive
     and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
     sideways, cigarette in one hand, favorite beverage in
     the other, between the legs of a hot lady, body
     thoroughly used up, totally worn out,and screaming
     WOO HOO - What a Ride!"

        I didn't compose this but I love it!!!
lyset - 28 Jan 2005 21:11 GMT
> POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Support steam
> with your very souls!!! I do like Steam by the way... :)

Me too though I don't play and using it at the mom but it's there
waiting for me to be a DM lunatic again. Wonder if I can find a compatible
rabbit suit for my DM gaming.....    ; )

lyset
Golf33 - 28 Jan 2005 09:39 GMT
Hell, if I could afford another PC game right now, I'd be buying HL2 for
sure.

Regards
33

>> its frightening what companies like intel, microsoft and others want to
>> do to us pc users with tcpa
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> citizens to support steam.  Down with difool, up with steam.  Vote for
> steam and send a clear message against lunacy.
Tim Smith - 27 Jan 2005 05:54 GMT
> its frightening what companies like intel, microsoft and others want to
> do to us pc users with tcpa
> valve is only doing their own version with steam and not waiting for tcpa
> thanks for "claudevms" for posting tcpa site http://www.againsttcpa.com
> a site like that but dealing with steam would be very important... i guess

So basically you want a site full of incorrect information, but about Steam
instead of TCPA?

Try here for technical information about TCPA:

   http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa/tcpa_rebuttal.pdf

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Kaos - 28 Jan 2005 14:11 GMT
>was released i've been asking for gamers against steam mobilize and do a
>proper website but unfortunately nobody replied
>will a so necessary site dealing with steam be ever a reality?

One would think that the lack of mobilization *might* be a hint that
it's not really all that necessary.

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