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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / November 2004HL2 : stuttering fix is out.
Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free playing. So, if your "offline" fire up a Steam connection now. Right click on your steam task icon and select "News" for more details. Downloaded & installed immediately for me in about 3 seconds. Way to go Steam. "whingers will be put out" "Valve have released a fix" "a fix for the stuttering fix" "if your "offline" fire up a Steam connection" Walter, if your native language is not english, ignore my post. You did good. > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Way to go Steam. > "whingers will be put out" to be "put out" means to be pissed off. > "Valve have released a fix" ?? > "a fix for the stuttering fix" It was late. > "if your "offline" fire up a Steam connection" whoops. > Walter, if your native language is not english, ignore my post. You did good.  SignatureWalter Mitty - Useless, waste of money research of the day : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4021811.stm http://www.tinyurl.com > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Way to go Steam. Didn't work for me. >> Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for >> the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free playing. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Didn't work for me. Same here. Went to the link and it was just some suggestions on how you can make it better. But no patch. Does it automatically download when its validating the game files ? It took awhile to do that when I launched steam. So I figured maybe thats what it did. I launced the game and it played like sh.t. A lot of stuttering , like none ive ever encountered before. So I just shut the sh.t down. Im guessing i didnt get the freakin patch. It probably did install the patch. Alot of people on the Steampowered forums have been reporting that the patch has cut their FPS some as much as half!! > >> Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > >> the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free playing. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > none ive ever encountered before. So I just shut the sh.t down. Im guessing > i didnt get the freakin patch. Holy f.cking sh.t! You serious ? That totally sucks! > It probably did install the patch. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > guessing >> i didnt get the freakin patch. > Holy f.cking sh.t! You serious ? That totally sucks! Ya, the stuttering is worse here, with an 6800GT. rms >> Holy f.cking sh.t! You serious ? That totally sucks! > > Ya, the stuttering is worse here, with an 6800GT. > > rms The only thing the patch did is this: mat_forcetextureintohardware "1" Just change it back to "0" in your autoexec.cfg if you want to go back to the way it was... >>> Holy f.cking sh.t! You serious ? That totally sucks! >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Just change it back to "0" in your autoexec.cfg if you want to go > back to the way it was... My apologies. It's: mat_forcemanagedtextureintohardware 1 What patch? I looked at the blurb in Steam News and it just says to turn down video settings. There no mention of a patch and I don't even have an autoexec.cfg file. DaveL > >> Holy f.cking sh.t! You serious ? That totally sucks! > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Just change it back to "0" in your autoexec.cfg if you want to go back to > the way it was... > What patch? I looked at the blurb in Steam News and it just says to > turn down video settings. There no mention of a patch and I don't > even have an autoexec.cfg file. > > DaveL The update happened (will happen) automatically the next time you went into Steam. It was tiny, so it most likely happened so fast you never saw it do it... (And the patch didn't update the autoexec.cfg... that's just a way for you to override it if you want to.) Thanks. > > What patch? I looked at the blurb in Steam News and it just says to > > turn down video settings. There no mention of a patch and I don't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (And the patch didn't update the autoexec.cfg... that's just a way for you > to override it if you want to.) >> Holy f.cking sh.t! You serious ? That totally sucks! > > Ya, the stuttering is worse here, with an 6800GT. > >rms Same card here and it didn't fix anything >It probably did install the patch. > >Alot of people on the Steampowered forums have been reporting that the patch >has cut their FPS some as much as half!! So like mitty said: way to go Steam! ;^P Any way to get back to earlier patch level, even by game re-install? Or does Steam offer only the latest (crappy) update? >> It probably did install the patch. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any way to get back to earlier patch level, even by game re-install? > Or does Steam offer only the latest (crappy) update? The only thing the patch did is this: mat_forcetextureintohardware "1" Just change it back to "0" in your autoexec.cfg if you want to go back to the way it was... >>> It probably did install the patch. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Just change it back to "0" in your autoexec.cfg if you want to go > back to the way it was... My apologies. It's: mat_forcemanagedtextureintohardware 1 >>It probably did install the patch. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Any way to get back to earlier patch level, even by game re-install? >Or does Steam offer only the latest (crappy) update? My guess is that we're stuck with it. Even if you re installed Lovely Steam will update before you could play it. ;( >> Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for >> the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Didn't work for me. How much main ram and video ram do you have on your machine? >>> Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix >>> for the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How much main ram and video ram do you have on your machine? 1 G ram, only a 128 video card tho. > 1 G ram, only a 128 video card tho. Same as me : I get no stuttering at all after the fix. The only place I had it before was in anticitizen1 though. I wont bore you with the standard "have you upgraded all your drivers" help :) SignatureWalter Mitty - Useless, waste of money research of the day : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4021811.stm http://www.tinyurl.com >> 1 G ram, only a 128 video card tho. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I wont bore you with the standard "have you upgraded all your drivers" > help :) Ironically, right this second I'm in the process of downgrading them because I'm also victim of the ATI psychedelic purple textures problem. I've heard that older drivers may fix this. So far 4.11 and 4.10 haven't, now I'm trying 4.9. >>> 1 G ram, only a 128 video card tho. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I've heard that older drivers may fix this. So far 4.11 and 4.10 >haven't, now I'm trying 4.9. I use the Omega 4.10beta's and don't have the purple texture problem. I also don't use the new CCC panel and I believe if you have AI turned on it may cause this problem. (so try turning off AI if you have it on, or try Omega's drivers) Pluvious > I use the Omega 4.10beta's and don't have the purple texture problem. > I also don't use the new CCC panel and I believe if you have AI turned > on it may cause this problem. > > (so try turning off AI if you have it on, or try Omega's drivers) What do you mean by "AI"? I've seen other people mention this, and I thought it was a joke. -- Paul >>I use the Omega 4.10beta's and don't have the purple texture problem. >>I also don't use the new CCC panel and I believe if you have AI turned [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What do you mean by "AI"? I've seen other people mention this, and I thought it > was a joke. you can disable the AI in the game (all monsters, NPCs etc) .. the console command is 'ai_disable 1' - 0 to re-enable it... of course you can't play the game like this, because it'll just be boring.. nothing would ever attack you. SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Today's episode is brought to you by the word "patience", the letter "lambda", and the number two ;-) > you can disable the AI in the game (all monsters, NPCs etc) .. the > console command is 'ai_disable 1' - 0 to re-enable it... of course > you can't play the game like this, because it'll just be boring.. > nothing would ever attack you. That's why I thought it was a joke. So it *does* mean what I thought it did, thanks. Useful help, there, Pluvious. -- Paul >> you can disable the AI in the game (all monsters, NPCs etc) .. the >> console command is 'ai_disable 1' - 0 to re-enable it... of course [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Useful help, there, Pluvious. Actually I had meant to turn off the AI in the new ATI CCC panel. :) http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=61401&page=9&pp=15&highlight=Hl2 Post #123 suggests that it fixed the flickering textures .. but farther down and more recent said it doesn't. (?). Worth trying was why I suggested it. Its a long thread but you might get some useful info in it if you back up a read a few pages too. Pluvious > Ironically, right this second I'm in the process of downgrading them > because I'm also victim of the ATI psychedelic purple textures > problem. I've heard that older drivers may fix this. So far 4.11 > and 4.10 haven't, now I'm trying 4.9. What do you mean by psychedelic purple textures? The purple and black diamonds where chainlink fences should be, or something else? If it's the fences, changing drivers won't help (at least, it didn't help me). Reinstalling the game did, though it also resulted in a monster download of... something. -- Paul On 11/25/2004 5:19 AM Walter Mitty brightened our day with: >> 1 G ram, only a 128 video card tho. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I wont bore you with the standard "have you upgraded all your drivers" > help :) I was in the middle of Anticitizen when the patch came out and some stuttering persists in that and in Follow Freeman even after the patch. But I fired up Point Insertion and no stutters. One thing I also did was "untweak" after the patch was updated, I'd put a lot of junk into an autoexec. Maybe people who are still experiencing problems should check that schtuffen. SignatureSteve ¤»Inglo«¤ www.inglostadt.com >>> Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for >>> the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >How much main ram and video ram do you have on your machine? go away fanboi I have plenty On 11/24/2004 6:09 PM Walter Mitty brightened our day with: > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Way to go Steam. It's installed, seems a slight improvement but not a complete "fix". SignatureSteve ¤»Inglo«¤ www.inglostadt.com > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Way to go Steam. The patch happened so fast I couldn't even tell! But it did fix it. Actually, I wasn't having any sound stuttering at all... just visual stuttering at the beginning of levels are I looked around for the first time and the textures were loaded into video memory. I had a save game at an especially bad spot, and it eliminated the stutter. Now the levels load, and I can immediately look around smooth as silk. Of course, how well the patch works may depend upon how much video memory you have. I have a 9800XT with 256 meg, so I may be able to load all textures for a level at once. A card with 128 meg might not be able to load them all, and therefore is still swapping textures and therefore stutters. It would be interesting to know how much texture memory is required for each level... >Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for >the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Way to go Steam. Didn't fix my stutter. > Didn't fix my stutter. You should go see a doctor .. >> Didn't fix my stutter. > > You should go see a doctor .. The only thing the patch did is this: mat_forcetextureintohardware "1" Just change it back to "0" in your autoexec.cfg if you want to go back to the way it was... >>> Didn't fix my stutter. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Just change it back to "0" in your autoexec.cfg if you want to go > back to the way it was... My apologies. It's: mat_forcemanagedtextureintohardware 1 >>>> Didn't fix my stutter. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > mat_forcemanagedtextureintohardware 1 Thanks for this info. It was the fastest patch I've ever seen, or should I saw didn't see. I only found out about it from this group and then going over the Valve's HL2 forum. JLC >> My apologies. It's: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > should I saw didn't see. I only found out about it from this group > and then going over the Valve's HL2 forum. JLC Yeah, I never saw it do it either! But I could certainly see that it had happened... removed the little bit of stuttering that I had experienced... >>Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for >>the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Didn't fix my stutter. D..d...d....d....d..didn't fix mm.m.mm.m..mmm...mine either. SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Today's episode is brought to you by the word "patience", the letter "lambda", and the number two ;-) >>>Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for >>>the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free playing. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > D..d...d....d....d..didn't fix mm.m.mm.m..mmm...mine either. When do you get the stutter? Is it all the time, or just when the game is loading a new set of textures? I have a 9800Pro and I get a slight pause and maybe a 1 sec sound stutter when I enter a new area. Sounds to me like this problem is different on just about everyone's PC. I was getting a lot of graphic stuttering before I turned my mouse sensitivity down. That really helped when just looking around. After reading some of the horror stories over at the Steam forums, I'm more then happy to have only stutter problem. I'm running the game at 1024x768 with 4x AA and 4xAF with a 2GHz P4. I tried playing in wide screen, which is really cool, but it was to hard on my rig. I didn't want to have to turn down my settings so I'm back to 1024x768. JLC > When do you get the stutter? Is it all the time, or just when the > game is loading a new set of textures? I have a 9800Pro and I get a > slight pause and maybe a 1 sec sound stutter when I enter a new area. That's all I got before the patch, and it didn't bother me at all. Now it happens for a lot longer (maybe 30 seconds), even if I set the new variable to zero. 9600 Pro, so similar to you, though I may have less graphics card memory. -- Paul >>>Didn't fix my stutter. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > loading a new set of textures? I have a 9800Pro and I get a slight pause and > maybe a 1 sec sound stutter when I enter a new area. Sorry, perhaps I should have ended my post with a smiley... I get the same with regards to stuttering (I also have a 9800pro) - I wouldn't really call it a big problem, since it doesn't happen very often.. it's the sort of thing that I kinda expect in graphically intense games (I seem to remember it happening a little in FarCry aswell) SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Today's episode is brought to you by the word "patience", the letter "lambda", and the number two ;-) > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Way to go Steam. About time. | Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for | the stuttering fix (....) *snigger* A fix for a fix? Sounds Microsoftian. - -- Leo Fellmann > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > =nko0 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Is there *any* chance you could remove all that stupid pgp crap from your posts Leo? Its not big & clever. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Is there *any* chance you could remove all that stupid pgp crap from >your posts Leo? Its not big & clever. I suppose you could stop reading before you got to that part! :-) No different here, I've emailed that msinfo file they ask for in the news item. Dunno what other people's were but mine was 1.5MB that zipped down to 75k, I hope their mail server is ready for a deluge of big files! :-( > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for the > stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free playing. So, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Way to go Steam. but I didn't have a problem before the patch. Now its so sh.t it almost unplayable. this has only started to happen SINCE the patch, sounds mess up then npc and combine soldiers start doing this http://img116.exs.cx/img116/8107/buggyhl2.jpg Yeah, way to go Steam SignatureLes AMD64 3200+ 2x512 MB Corsair XMS3500 ABIT K8V Pro Leadtek A400 6800 GT SB Audigy > but I didn't have a problem before the patch. Now its so sh.t it almost > unplayable. > > this has only started to happen SINCE the patch, sounds mess up then npc > and combine soldiers start doing this Yup! I had a stuttering problem but it was very minor, now since the patch its major. The stuttering lasts a lot longer. Before it was like a second. Now it actually interupts my gameplay dramatically. Id rather not have the f.cking patch. But I still played because the game is great. Just hope they get this sh.t corrected. >>but I didn't have a problem before the patch. Now its so sh.t it >>almost unplayable. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >played because the game is great. Just hope they get this sh.t >corrected. You can kinda undo the patch. All it basically does is to implement a new variable named "mat_forcemanagedtexturesintohardware" and set it to 1. So, just put "mat_forcemanagedtexturesintohardware" "0" into you autoexec.cfg (this file goes to $steam-dir\steamapps\half- life2\hl2\cfg, obviously) and you are where you were before the patch was installed. Also, this experience might make you consider turning the autoupdating off (right click on HL2 in the Steam games list, choose "Properties" and then under "Automatic updates", choose "Do not automatically update the game"). Let others do the testing and only install an update after it has proven itself not to create more issues than it resolves. :-) > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Way to go Steam. Big deal. I'd rather be able to download patches as "real" files and install them if and when I want to. What Steam could do in 3 seconds wouldn't be a hardship if it took 15 seconds to manually do the same thing. Anyway, I'm geniunely disappointed to see so many users in this newsgroup blindly support a highly anticipated game and accept what ever copy protection scheme that comes with it. Obviously very little thought has been put into what this may mean in the future to legitimate purchasers of software. I've spoken to people I know and they feel the same as me, and we've supported the industry for 20+ years. I may have balked somewhat to Microsoft's product activation scheme for Windows XP, but it looks tame compared to Steam. Yeah, I'll be leaving this newsgroup for a while now. Let me know when services like Steam translate into lower software prices. ;-) So far, I haven't seen it. By the way, what's a "whinger"? > Yeah, I'll be leaving this newsgroup for a while now. Let me know when > services like Steam translate into lower software prices. ;-) So far, I > haven't seen it. > > By the way, what's a "whinger"? I think it means any of the following: Cry Baby Moaning Bastard etc etc... Gary. > Anyway, I'm geniunely disappointed to see so many users in this > newsgroup blindly support a highly anticipated game and accept what [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > years. I may have balked somewhat to Microsoft's product activation > scheme for Windows XP, but it looks tame compared to Steam. Not many people here have "blindly" supported it. Most reluctantly accept Steam because they want to play a fantastic game. The option is not to buy it. If you have taken that option, then that's your decision. If you're disappointed, I'm not sure what you expected to see in a Half-Life newsgroup. > By the way, what's a "whinger"? British for "whiner". -- Paul >> By the way, what's a "whinger"? > >British for "whiner". They are similar terms, not the same: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=whinge&x=0&y=0 SignatureAndrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action NightSky 421 <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote: > I may have balked somewhat to Microsoft's product activation scheme for > Windows XP, but it looks tame compared to Steam. having to phone microsoft, potentially multiple times as you change your hardware, is tame compared to steam where the worst you have to put up with is one time activation and then offline play forever? (ignoring the initial launch problems, of course. but i'll happily ignore the problem of having to switch out hardware in an emergency during a time when you don't have access to a phone or there's any number of possible technical difficulties with the microsoft activation line. there are plenty of those cases, too.) oh, and, hey, what happens when microsoft goes bust five years down the line and there's no more activation hotline??! your windows xp disc will be useless!!!!11 wait.. are you saying it's unlikely that microsoft will be dead anytime soon? but what about.. <lists bunch of failed software companies..> >In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action NightSky 421 <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote: >> I may have balked somewhat to Microsoft's product activation scheme for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >your hardware, is tame compared to steam where the worst you have to put >up with is one time activation and then offline play forever? Until you change your hardware and need to re-install Steam+HL2, possibly to a different partition/path than where it was originally installed. Far cry from "offline play forever". Please don't lie. >oh, and, hey, what happens when microsoft goes bust five years down the >line and there's no more activation hotline??! your windows xp disc will >be useless!!!!11 True, that's why I don't like XP activation either, especially because it allows MS to "force" people to upgrade from XP to another MS OS by just dropping the XP activation. Anyway, Valve is a two hit wonder that could easily perish just like Westwood Studios, Origin, Looking Glass Studios, Acclaim etc. etc. before it. Microsoft is not. If you don't see any difference between Valve and Microsoft, then you really are as stupid as you seem. >wait.. are you saying it's unlikely that microsoft will be dead anytime >soon? but what about.. <lists bunch of failed software companies..> None of which are or were in a monopoly position like Microsoft, right? Like I said, you really are that dumb. So what "i own a rowboat"'s point seems to be that Steam SP activation is ok because some other software (not games, mind you) use it as well? Twice the evil is no evil, or something like that? >In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action NightSky 421 <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote: >> I may have balked somewhat to Microsoft's product activation scheme for [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >wait.. are you saying it's unlikely that microsoft will be dead anytime >soon? but what about.. <lists bunch of failed software companies..> Shouldn't you be in the tub playing with your yacht ? > In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action NightSky 421 <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your hardware, is tame compared to steam where the worst you have to put > up with is one time activation and then offline play forever? I'm very interested in this : I heard about all this XP activation stuff, but only had to activate once. Since then I've added 3 different video cards, a sound card, various USB devices and an extra 1/2 gig of ram and I've never been asked to validate. Is it because maybe I was doing it "incrementally" so that at any one time XP knew it was on the same machine? Maybe XP uses the netcards MAC address and sees this as an overriding "constant"? >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action NightSky 421 >> <nightsky421@reply-to-group.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > same machine? Maybe XP uses the netcards MAC address and sees this as an > overriding "constant"? It's an incremental thing- you either have to replace a whole bunch of hardware all at once, or replace one of the 'key' pieces, like mobo or (I think) network card. Otherwise, you never need to bother with it. I've replaced scads of vidcards, soundcards, HD's, etc. on XP machines, without ever having to call in. -Marshall In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Walter Mitty <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I'm very interested in this : I heard about all this XP activation > stuff, but only had to activate once. Since then I've added 3 different [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > same machine? Maybe XP uses the netcards MAC address and sees this as an > overriding "constant"? it's most likely when there's been multiple changes > In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Walter Mitty <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > it's most likely when there's been multiple changes Thought so. I remember a load of FUD similiar to that about Steam with people whining about how they "keep having to reactivate" XP : I suspected then that it was all bollox and people just making a noise for the sake of it. |> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Walter Mitty <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> |> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | suspected then that it was all bollox and people just making a noise for | the sake of it. You have a remarkable tendancy to discount things as people whining aimlessly. It doesn't matter if hardware changes to Windows XP are incremental or not; the only thing that counts are the number of differences between what you have and what you had at activation.* _Additions_, however, are not counted, only modifications or substractions. This would explain why you never had a problem. Of course 10 minutes on Google would tell you as much, but whay not just bad-mouth everybody instead? Far more fun, no? * and if your netwrok card has changed. If it has, the number of allowed modifications gets reduced substantially. - -- Leo Fellmann > You have a remarkable tendancy to discount things as people whining > aimlessly. It because there is a tendency for people to do so. > doesn't matter if hardware changes to Windows XP are incremental or > not; the only [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > instead? Far > more fun, no? Erm sorry. If you were to get off your moral high ground for one second , you would notice that I didnt bad mouth anyone. i clearly stated what I have changed many components and not activated any re-activation whatsoever. And lots of people WERE complaining about activation when the didn't have a clue how it worked : this is aimless whining no matter how PC you might want to be. > * and if your netwrok card has changed. If it has, the number of allowed > modifications gets reduced substantially. I think we covered that. Please turn off your PGP borders - it's a real pain in the a.s. >> You have a remarkable tendancy to discount things as people whining >> aimlessly. It > > because there is a tendency for people to do so. In your mind, yes. >> doesn't matter if hardware changes to Windows XP are incremental or >> not; the only [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Erm sorry. If you were to get off your moral high ground for one second > , you would notice that I didnt bad mouth anyone. You accused people of spreading FUD. How is that not bad-mouthing them, when it is very well possible that they were forced to re-activate windows XP because of hardware changes? i clearly stated what > I have changed many components and not activated any re-activation > whatsoever. And lots of people WERE complaining about activation when > the didn't have a clue how it worked : this is aimless whining no matter > how PC you might want to be. It's fully justified whining; the re-activation may well have happened and it is an inconvenience. That you have not had a problem with it does not mean that it doesn't exist or that everyone else's PC is misconfigured. SignatureLeo Fellmann >>> You have a remarkable tendancy to discount things as people whining >>> aimlessly. It [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > when it is very well possible that they were forced to re-activate > windows XP because of hardware changes? It is indisputable FUD when people say things like "Steam must be connected to the internet each time you wish to play the game". If someone says "1+1=3" and I correct them and say "actually its 2", then in my opinion I'm not bad mouthing them. > i clearly stated what > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and it is an inconvenience. That you have not had a problem with it does > not mean that it doesn't exist or that everyone else's PC is misconfigured. You say it is justifiable : MS, wanting to reduce piracy/theft, say not. I tend to agree with them. The fact of the matter is that I'm a veteran of the SW/HW business and have modified my machine a lot and not been prompted for validation : I'm not saying it will never happen, I'm just saying that its not the inconvenience that a lot of people state. SignatureWalter Mitty - Useless, waste of money research of the day : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4021811.stm http://www.tinyurl.com (...) >>>> doesn't matter if hardware changes to Windows XP are incremental or >>>> not; the only [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > If someone says "1+1=3" and I correct them and say "actually its 2", > then in my opinion I'm not bad mouthing them. Excuse me, but we were discussing people who were, in your words "spreading FUd" about XP hardware activation. As to Steam, 1+1 may not be 3 but in this case it is probably 2.5, as Steam will apparently try to connect given half a chance. But that wasn't what we were discussing here. >> i clearly stated what >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You say it is justifiable : MS, wanting to reduce piracy/theft, say not. > I tend to agree with them. That is purely a matter of opinion. However it is inconvenient to have to reactivate and it does happen; that MS may or may not be justified in demanding this is completely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that I'm a veteran > of the SW/HW business and have modified my machine a lot and not been > prompted for validation : I'm not saying it will never happen, I'm just > saying that its not the inconvenience that a lot of people state. It is if you change cetain pieces of hardware often. You were just lucky in that what you changed were mainly the same parts and additions, not modifications. SignatureLeo Fellmann > (...) > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Excuse me, but we were discussing people who were, in your words > "spreading FUd" about XP hardware activation. It was en example Leo. > As to Steam, 1+1 may not be 3 but in this case it is probably 2.5, as > Steam will apparently try to connect given half a chance. But that > wasn't what we were discussing here. Erm, what? Bottom line : Steam can and does run in offline mode if you dont have a connection. If you do, then disable automatic updates if the delay is too much for you. Easy. >>> i clearly stated what >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to reactivate and it does happen; that MS may or may not be justified in > demanding this is completely irrelevant. No it isn't. It is entirely relevant. The re-activation is there for a reason. We agree it is there? Good. Now, certain things trigger re-activation : this has not happened to me and loads of others thus cancelling the oft touted "XP constantly demands re-activation" rumours spread about by the FUDders. > The fact of the matter is that I'm a veteran > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in that what you changed were mainly the same parts and additions, not > modifications. The majority of people are not changing much either. Video card, sound card, memory is about it for 99% of users I would guess. SignatureWalter Mitty - Useless, waste of money research of the day : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4021811.stm http://www.tinyurl.com >> You accused people of spreading FUD. How is that not bad-mouthing them, >> when it is very well possible that they were forced to re-activate >> windows XP because of hardware changes? > >It is indisputable FUD when people say things like "Steam must be >connected to the internet each time you wish to play the game". I bet walter can't find any message claiming so. On the other hand, walter makes vague statements implying that one does not need a net connection at all for single-player HL2. That is a lie, because you need to activate the game online upon installation before you can play it at all, even single-player game. >>>You accused people of spreading FUD. How is that not bad-mouthing them, >>>when it is very well possible that they were forced to re-activate [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > lie, because you need to activate the game online upon installation > before you can play it at all, even single-player game. If you want be extremely pedantic, he's right. You don't need a net connection to play the game, but you must have had a net connection to play the game. There is a subtle distinction there, although admittedly not one most people would make. SignatureLeo Fellmann > Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for > the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free > playing. So, if your "offline" fire up a Steam connection now. Oh come on, they are whining because they bought a game and it stuttered to the point of being unplayable, completely? ( at least on some levels)? You call that quality QA? Do you read the steam forums, and realize just how many people this affected? Wow man, just wow. You really are totally in lockstep with Valve. You might as well work there. Every post I read I am more and more amazed at your devotion. Good God man, get some perspective. >>Well, the whingers will be put out , but Valve have released a fix for >>the stuttering fix as well as other suggestions for trouble free [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You might as well work there. Every post I read I am more and more > amazed at your devotion. Good God man, get some perspective. Most games I've played stutter a little when you start a level as it caches the textures etc. But you are right, if this is really as bad or as common place as some would have you believe then its not too good and Valve should get it sorted. Experience leads meto believe that the loadest shouters are usually those with issues (rightly so) and that some of these issues aren't as common place as they would have us believe. I get no stutter other than a few hiccups in anticitizen1. Most people I've asked about the stutter seem to also have driver issues and/or low end video cards with little RAM on board and/or low main memory levels. Maybe a price for biggish levels with high details graphics? |
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