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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / October 2004hl2 retail: Net Connection required official
Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam installations? A. Doug Lombardi: During installation the user will be prompted to authenticate the copy and create a Steam account. After that is complete, the single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet connection http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/half-life-2/558931p1.html?fromint=1 > Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam > installations? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/half-life-2/558931p1.html?fromint=1 So what? And anyone who has a PC that is better than a 486 is gonna have access to atleast dial-up... >> Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam >> installations? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And anyone who has a PC that is better than a 486 is gonna have access to > atleast dial-up... Presumptuous. >>> Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam >>> installations? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Presumptuous. Well lets say that 159 million in the USA in 2002 (CIA website) used the Internet.....and I'd say most of those have a PC at home... There are only 270 or so Million in the USA...and that includes babies! >>>And anyone who has a PC that is better than a 486 is gonna have access to >>>atleast dial-up... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > There are only 270 or so Million in the USA...and that includes babies! lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world...  SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench >>>>And anyone who has a PC that is better than a 486 is gonna have access to >>>>atleast dial-up... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... Blasphemy!! ;-) > lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... In due time my friend - in due time - Peter >> lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... >> > In due time my friend - in due time > > - Peter ROFLMAO!!!! Just push the red button. We at least need to keep Canada intact. >>>lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > We at least need to keep Canada intact. Why? -Marshall ;-P In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life Marshall proclaimed... > Why? Yeah. A ground level nuclear blast and we can rid the world of Jethro. Go on America, you know you want to :) SignatureThe alt.games.half-life IRC Room: http://stri.no-ip.com/irc.php Half-life2 Countdown: http://mattmccants.net/images/HL2CD.php > In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Go on America, you know you want to :) Bastard! :-) And then who would you kick around? We snuggle up so tight to the US that anything they throw at us is going to take out parts of themselves. It's all in the planning. SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jeff (at) tibben (dot) ca In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life Jethro[AGHL] proclaimed... > Bastard! :-) > > And then who would you kick around? Believe me, there is no shortage, you have no monopoly :) >>>>lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Why? > -Marshall ;-P You have not lived yet my friend, if you must ask that question. They are our little brother who provide us with the best beer and women money can buy. Living 20 minutes from Canada (live in Detroit 'burb, near Windsor, Ontario) I can personally attest to that. In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life HockeyTownUSA proclaimed... > You have not lived yet my friend, if you must ask that question. They are > our little brother who provide us with the best beer and women money can > buy. Living 20 minutes from Canada (live in Detroit 'burb, near Windsor, > Ontario) I can personally attest to that. I must confess. In my three weeks in America the best beer I drank was Canadian. Something with red in it's name. Mind there was that bar/restaurant with it's own distillery which made beer which tasted like piss and all but made me pass out. You ever been so drunk you've been cursing a group of people with your chin buried in your chest and throwing scowled glares through your eyebrows? I was then. Signaturealt.games.half-life IRC Room: http://stri.no-ip.com/e107/content.php?article.10 > In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > chin buried in your chest and throwing scowled glares through your > eyebrows? And that was while drinking the beer which tasted like piss? Thou are't truly a god amongst beer drinkers, Strider (albeit, a rather masochistic deity). Bacchus, roll over!! :-) -Marshall >> In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > masochistic deity). Bacchus, roll over!! :-) > -Marshall I thought he was posing for Dionysus??? <tha Mad God in Arnies 2nd Sword swinger> McG :) >>>In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I thought he was posing for Dionysus??? <tha Mad God in Arnies 2nd > Sword swinger> They are one and the same- Dionysus was the original Greek name for him, and when the Romans borrowed their pantheon of gods, they renamed him 'Bacchus'. I've forgotten how he got warped into Arnie's Conan flicks :-) -Marshall >>>> In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life >>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > renamed him 'Bacchus'. I've forgotten how he got warped into Arnie's > Conan flicks :-) -Marshall Oh yeah, with Dionysus horning in on Sarah Douglas! ;) jealous witch tried to off Olivia D'abbo and make the mad wino like her :) I bought that one, not the other one... heh! McG. In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life Marshall proclaimed... > And that was while drinking the beer which tasted like piss? Thou are't truly > a god amongst beer drinkers, Strider (albeit, a rather masochistic deity). > Bacchus, roll over!! :-) Well after a 12 hour shift I tend to be less fussy than normal. 8pm at night, steak 'dinner' then plenty drink and it was still warm. God bless America :) Signaturealt.games.half-life IRC Room: http://stri.no-ip.com/e107/content.php?article.10 > In the bedlam that is alt.games.half-life > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > God bless America :) Indeed. [hoists cup o Folgers in salute] <sips hot stuff> Ahhhh! :) McG. >>>>>lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > buy. Living 20 minutes from Canada (live in Detroit 'burb, near Windsor, > Ontario) I can personally attest to that. I'll have to take your word for it... here in southwestern Oregon, about the only Canadian influence we see on a regular basis are the elderly tourists from BC tooling down the highways in the generile direction of California (or Mexico, or wherever BC tourists tend to flock to :) -Marshall >>>>>> lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > direction of California (or Mexico, or wherever BC tourists tend to > flock to :) -Marshall That anywhere near Bremmerton? Port Orchard? McG. >>>>>>>lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > That anywhere near Bremmerton? Port Orchard? > McG. Nope. Those towns are way up around Puget Sound, the Olympic Peninsula of northwest Washington. Over 700+ miles from where I live. -Marshall snippage >>> I'll have to take your word for it... here in southwestern Oregon, >>> about the only Canadian influence we see on a regular basis are the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of northwest Washington. Over 700+ miles from where I live. > -Marshall Ah, ok. My kid bro lives in the Port Orchard area... going by the pics, really nice country there :) McG. > snippage Wow, that's a first! ;) Keep up the good work, it saves me the long scroll to the bottom :) -- Paul > Nope. Those towns are way up around Puget Sound, the Olympic Peninsula > of northwest Washington. Over 700+ miles from where I live. > -Marshall How many kilometers is that?? :-) j/k SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jeff (at) tibben (dot) ca >> Nope. Those towns are way up around Puget Sound, the Olympic Peninsula >> of northwest Washington. Over 700+ miles from where I live. >> -Marshall > > How many kilometers is that?? :-) > j/k D'oh! Now where did I put that handy-dandy conversions calculator proggy?!? :-) -Marshall >>>>>lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > buy. Living 20 minutes from Canada (live in Detroit 'burb, near Windsor, > Ontario) I can personally attest to that. With your name of HockeytownUSA I was going to ask if you were from Detroit. If it hadn't said USA I was going to assume you were from Toronto, the real hockey town. :-) *yanking chain* SignatureJethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Pinger Reply Email: jeff (at) tibben (dot) ca > With your name of HockeytownUSA I was going to ask if you were from > Detroit. If it hadn't said USA I was going to assume you were from > Toronto, the real hockey town. :-) > *yanking chain* It's not anymore without B?rje Salming..... ; ) lyset >>With your name of HockeytownUSA I was going to ask if you were from >>Detroit. If it hadn't said USA I was going to assume you were from >>Toronto, the real hockey town. :-) >>*yanking chain* > > It's not anymore without Börje Salming..... ; ) Is that something like lutefisk?? -Marshall <ducks 'n exits, stage right --------->>> > >>With your name of HockeytownUSA I was going to ask if you were from > >>Detroit. If it hadn't said USA I was going to assume you were from [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is that something like lutefisk?? > -Marshall <ducks 'n exits, stage right --------->>> Ohh no you're in troubble now. He was almost proclaimed godly in Toronto........ ; ) lyset >>>> And anyone who has a PC that is better than a 486 is gonna have >>>> access to atleast dial-up... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Ben Cottrell AKA Bench Steam is required to start the game? That's f.cked. McG. >Steam is required to start the game? That's f.cked. Doug Lombardi on GameSpy yesterday. "During installation the user will be prompted to authenticate the copy and create a Steam account. After that is complete, the single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet connection." Source: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/half-life-2/558931p1.html ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Metalslave/ >> Steam is required to start the game? That's f.cked. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > copy and create a Steam account. After that is complete, the > single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet connection." Right. I don't want Steam, just as I don't and didn't want Sierra. I see no difference. > Source: > http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/half-life-2/558931p1.html > > ----- > Anders "Roshin" Simonsson > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Metalslave/ >>Steam is required to start the game? That's f.cked. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Anders "Roshin" Simonsson > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Metalslave/ It's the M$ mentality at work here. >It's the M$ mentality at work here. If you don't like it, don't buy it. ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Metalslave/ >>>>And anyone who has a PC that is better than a 486 is gonna have access >>>>to atleast dial-up... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > lets also say that the USA isn't the only country in the world... Lol...I know...I'm not even American...I live in Derbyshire :op >>>> Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam >>>> installations? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > There are only 270 or so Million in the USA...and that includes > babies! Where I work (small place actually), there are perhaps 25 people that have computers at home. PC's that is. Of those, about half of those have access to the net via their PC's. The other half say they do use the net, but thru their cable tv. A very few of these folks play games at all (or so they say). None of them would buy a game that *required* a network connection to simply install/start/validate. 2 of them have asked me about HL2. They want to play the single player game. I told them what the email said. Network connection required to validate the copy only. They won't buy the game. Steam replaces the Sierra utility. We'll see how much worse than Sierra Steam is very soon. McG. >Where I work (small place actually), there are perhaps 25 people that >have computers at home. PC's that is. Of those, about half of those [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >them what the email said. Network connection required to validate the >copy only. They won't buy the game. How many of the people with a PC capable of playing HL2 and are gamers don't have a net connection? What is their reason for not intending to buy the game? SignatureAndrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. >> Where I work (small place actually), there are perhaps 25 people that >> have computers at home. PC's that is. Of those, about half of those [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. > Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. 2 of them have PC's good enough for Doom3 and HL2. Both play a game or two, and are/were interested in HL2, and do have internet. They're not buying the game because it will require access to the internet. I guess they're thinking this game is just for online multiplayer and they're not the least bit interested in that. It's going to take some effort from me to convice them it's just to "Register online" and not for playing online. That's *also* possible, but for a completely different chunk of the game. They can do single player only. They read some gaming mags, talk to other people. They're both already aware of Steam. I believe I've informed them correctly . What would you say is a good all round description of Steam? Seems it's an: 1. All-In-One Valve games launcher/manager/updater/utility 2. Online game manager and gateway 3. Online registration I think that would cover it. Anything missing/wrong? BTW- personally, I didn't like the Sierra utilities, never once ran WON, despise their abuse of me/us (as I consider it) Same for Steam. I dislike being forced to use it to play the games. Except for private LAN and single player, I've long since given up on Valve games. We'll see what pans out with Steam soon enough. McG. > They read some gaming mags, talk to other people. They're both already > aware of Steam. I believe I've informed them correctly . [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I think that would cover it. Anything missing/wrong? 4. It's not spyware. (That may be where their fears lie) -- Paul >> They read some gaming mags, talk to other people. They're both >> already aware of Steam. I believe I've informed them correctly . [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Paul Ah, right. I would go and miss that one :) Funny, that's the least of my concerns about this. My own main concern is that my fave game(s) end up scrambled and need reinstalling. Pain. I like HL and OF just as they are (until I get HL:Source). I like things where I want them, not where someone else wants them. I like updating when I want to update. McG. > Ah, right. I would go and miss that one :) Funny, that's the least of > my concerns about this. My own main concern is that my fave game(s) end > up scrambled and need reinstalling. Pain. I like HL and OF just as > they are (until I get HL:Source). I like things where I want them, not > where someone else wants them. I like updating when I want to update. Those last two are of concern to me too (minor and major, respectively) -- Paul > > ...I like things where I want them, not > > where someone else wants them. I like updating when I want to update. > > Those last two are of concern to me too (minor and major, respectively) Although the details of what happens to your installed RETAIL HL2 when Steam finds out about it are unsure (option 1. it doss nothing; option 2. it copies it all in to its own "cache") you only have to worry about this if you're short on disk space. Whereever Steam is installed (it should give you an option!) ensure you install it to a drive with at least 10Gig free space(I'm not joking). Don't do what I did and put it on C: (my C: partition is restricted to "system" software/apps and Steam certainly doesn't come under this category:-) As regards updates, once you've authenticated the game via Steam, you never have to use Steam ONLINE again and so you never have to get updates. I suggest you be aware that if you are online and you start Steam up that it will automatically hook up to its servers. I think it should at least ask you if it can make the connection. Even then, if you're online and you run Steam, the updating process is "fairly" controllable. I hope I have'nt raised more questions than I've attempted to answer! -- Grumps >> > ...I like things where I want them, not >> > where someone else wants them. I like updating when I >> > want to update. >> >> Those last two are of concern to me too (minor and major, >> respectively) you only have to worry about this if you're > short on disk space. Whereever Steam is installed (it > should give you an option!) ensure you install it to a > drive with at least 10Gig free space(I'm not joking). > Don't do what I did and put it on C: Too damn right, nearly 6GBs not including the dedicated server & Condition Zero stuff I haven't downloaded yet. Start adding in mods after release.... Still at least you can delete content you don't want. >>> ...I like things where I want them, not >>> where someone else wants them. I like updating when I want to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > -- > Grumps Actually, it does raise the need for more answers. That steam autoconnects to its servers without express permission: Zone Alarm Pro. Prehaps Valve will deem it important enough to include a switch in Options. McG. >> Ah, right. I would go and miss that one :) Funny, that's the >> least of my concerns about this. My own main concern is that my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Paul Reading the many references to Steam and it's doings here in the ng, I'd say you can put Steam where you want, and it will put your games where and how IT wants. I won't really know until 16 Nov. McG. > 2 of them have >asked me about HL2. They want to play the single player game. I told >them what the email said. Network connection required to validate the >copy only. They won't buy the game. Fine - so whats the problem exactly? Vlave/Vivendi have made a commercial decision on this. I am sure they realise this will preclude some people from buying the game, so what? Its not very different to other game requirements - Doom3 has precluded people through the need for decent graphics cards, Valve have precluded through insisting an internet connection needed for one time authentication!! If the requirement is on the box - with all the other min requirements - its clear and sorted. Get over it and lets try and move on. Cheers Yojimbo aka Justin Thompson Very proud owner of: 3 'Hapless AGHL lurker' points 4 'I corrected Daemon points' 5 AGHL 'de-cloaking' points 6 'I summed it up in a sentence' points >> 2 of them have >> asked me about HL2. They want to play the single player game. I >> told them what the email said. Network connection required to >> validate the copy only. They won't buy the game. > > Fine - so whats the problem exactly? They're thinking it's another online multiplayer game. I'll work on that. > Vlave/Vivendi have made a commercial decision on this. I am sure they > realise this will preclude some people from buying the game, so what? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have precluded through insisting an internet connection needed for one > time authentication!! If You don't install and run Steam, you don't install and run the game(s). I like the other way better. > If the requirement is on the box - with all the other min requirements > - its clear and sorted. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 5 AGHL 'de-cloaking' points > 6 'I summed it up in a sentence' points > Vlave/Vivendi have made a commercial decision on this... I called them Value once. But I don't think that Valve are very good for it :-) (only joking) > If the requirement is on the box - with all the other min requirements > - its clear and sorted. The Retailers will have a job to catch up with the latest Net Connection requirement. I think there should be a "Note: Net Connection required" sticker on the FRONT of the carton. But I doubt that'll happen. After-all we are talking about a small number of people who might be affected by this. Aren't we? -- Grumps > Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam > installations? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > complete, the single-player and LAN games do not require an Internet > connection If it's mentioned in the backside of the retail package, it's OK. If not, then it would be a valid reason for a refund from the retailer. Signaturetk (FIN) Introvertti älykkö jo vuodesta 1983! > > Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam > > installations? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it's OK. If not, then it would be a valid reason for a > refund from the retailer. And then you'd have no Half-Life 2 to play. > -- > tk (FIN) > Introvertti ?lykk? jo vuodesta 1983! > And then you'd have no Half-Life 2 to play. Better than unable to play and less money Toumas can eg have a rather short pub crawl after the refund - Peter > Better than unable to play and less money > Toumas can eg have a rather short pub crawl after the refund I've got broadband connection, no probs for me, I was just speaking generally. Signaturetk (FIN) Introvertti älykkö jo vuodesta 1983! > > If it's mentioned in the backside of the retail package, > > it's OK. If not, then it would be a valid reason for a > > refund from the retailer. > > And then you'd have no Half-Life 2 to play. Same goes if you kept it, unless you fit a modem. SInce they didn't mention this requirement on their websites, I think pre-order retailers should start printing up some enormous fluorescent stickers now: "Please check system requirements before removing cellophane. Opened copies of HL2 cannot be refunded". I think they may get a lot of try-on returns after installation, unless the net connection requirement is prominently displayed. -- Paul > ... > If it's mentioned in the backside of the retail package, > it's OK. If not, then it would be a valid reason for a > refund from the retailer. It'll say "Net Connection" is required but one could assume that's for Counter-Strike. Prediction: retail release is going to be a bit of a mess. None of the Web sites selling the game say that an Internet Connection is needed. In the shops the box needs a sticker with "Important: Net Connection required to start Half Life 2". And it needs to be on the front. Do you Vivendi can manage this? I doubt it. -- Grumps > None of the Web sites selling the game say that an Internet Connection is > needed. LOL >> None of the Web sites selling the game say that an Internet >> Connection is needed. > > LOL Now how is that so ironic? Or is it iconic? ;) McG. >>> None of the Web sites selling the game say that an Internet >>> Connection is needed. >>> > Now how is that so ironic? Or is it iconic? ;) Read it in a slightly different context None of the Web sites say that an Internet Connection is needed... - Peter >>>> None of the Web sites selling the game say that an Internet >>>> Connection is needed. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Peter I know, well what I meant was....oh <sighs> ... wasn't important... McG. >>>> None of the Web sites selling the game say that an Internet >>>> Connection is needed. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Peter Amazon Uk does - Grumpycrab (I guess there's only one) has put a customer 'review' on there saying that it does... :-) > > None of the Web sites say that an Internet > > Connection is needed... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Amazon Uk does - Grumpycrab (I guess there's only one) has put a customer > 'review' on there saying that it does... :-) Fame at last. (not) I also sent an email to the major UK retailers (under the pseudonym of tsvu@vugames.com) and most now list the Internet as a requirement. -- Grumps > Q. Will the boxed versions of HL2 require any sort of Steam > installations? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/half-life-2/558931p1.html?fromint=1 The thing I find odd is that Valve is offering to sell their game through Steam already, yet they don't post the system requirements. I would think that people would be entitled to a refund if there are compatability issues or the game doesn't run or run well on a mid-end system (i.e. P4 2.0 GHz, 64MB Video Card, 256MB RAM) |
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