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rms - 20 Sep 2004 16:26 GMT
Glad I'm buying the physical version!
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html

rms
Us - 20 Sep 2004 16:47 GMT
> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
>
> rms

Looks to me like Valve is going to get a nice little infusion of cash when
they win that lawsuit!
The Posting One - 20 Sep 2004 19:06 GMT
> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
>
> rms

Hahaha, this is hilarious, expect another one-year delay while the
lawsuit works its way through court! (No way will steam be allowed while
the case is unsettled, and Valve will hold back delivering a gold master!)

All we can be certain of is that Gabe Newell will have another doughnut.
GTD - 21 Sep 2004 01:19 GMT
>> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>lawsuit works its way through court! (No way will steam be allowed while
>the case is unsettled, and Valve will hold back delivering a gold master!)
I'm a little more optimistic than that. I believe that they could
release it both by steam and retail and figure out who owes who later.

>All we can be certain of is that Gabe Newell will have another doughnut.

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Ben Cottrell - 21 Sep 2004 13:21 GMT
>>Hahaha, this is hilarious, expect another one-year delay while the
>>lawsuit works its way through court! (No way will steam be allowed while
>>the case is unsettled, and Valve will hold back delivering a gold master!)
>
> I'm a little more optimistic than that. I believe that they could
> release it both by steam and retail and figure out who owes who later.

Anyone who'd actually *read* the article would notice Doug Lombardi's
comment that the game would be released via steam regardless of the
outcome on october 4th. :-)

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McGrandpa - 21 Sep 2004 22:15 GMT
>>> Hahaha, this is hilarious, expect another one-year delay while the
>>> lawsuit works its way through court! (No way will steam be allowed
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> comment that the game would be released via steam regardless of the
> outcome on october 4th. :-)

I like that part :)  I may well end up *having* to use steam to buy HL2
and whatever content for the Source conversion of HL.  Depends on
whether VU will just be churlish or their normal greedy selves :)  If
normal greedy, we'll see both releases.  If churlish, just the Steam
release :)
McG.

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William P.N. Smith - 22 Sep 2004 13:02 GMT
>whether VU will just be churlish or their normal greedy selves :)  If
>normal greedy, we'll see both releases.  If churlish, just the Steam
>release :)

Can you say "injunction"?  Yeah, this is nearly as much entertainment
as a new game.  Certainly more interesting than Doom3...
McGrandpa - 24 Sep 2004 23:07 GMT
>> whether VU will just be churlish or their normal greedy selves :)  If
>> normal greedy, we'll see both releases.  If churlish, just the Steam
>> release :)
>
> Can you say "injunction"?  Yeah, this is nearly as much entertainment
> as a new game.  Certainly more interesting than Doom3...

Ha!  well you spoke for yourself.  I am still enjoying Doom3 :)  And Far
Cry.
McG.
GTD - 27 Sep 2004 07:23 GMT
>>>Hahaha, this is hilarious, expect another one-year delay while the
>>>lawsuit works its way through court! (No way will steam be allowed while
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>comment that the game would be released via steam regardless of the
>outcome on october 4th. :-)

Regardless of what the article says (and wether you believe Lombardi
or not), my comment was directed at the previous poster's statement.
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Strider - 21 Sep 2004 11:00 GMT
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The Posting One proclaimed...

> All we can be certain of is that Gabe Newell will have another doughnut.

LMAO

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McGrandpa - 21 Sep 2004 12:04 GMT
>> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> All we can be certain of is that Gabe Newell will have another
> doughnut.

Both Valve and Vivendi need the money HL2 represents.  Expect HL2 to be
released retail.  The major dispute is over Steam distribution where
Vivendi(Sierra) sees no income :)
McG.
William P.N. Smith - 20 Sep 2004 19:24 GMT
>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html

Ah, now we see the reason behind the (otherwise confusing) "source
code" versus "Source code" terminology.  "Yes, your honor, we've
delivered the {S,s}ource code to them under the terms of our
contract!"

"Trial date: March 21, 2005".  Anyone want to revisit the release date
again?  8*|
JLC - 20 Sep 2004 20:10 GMT
> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
>
> rms

This is a must read for anyone interested in HL2. It's amazing what an a.s
Newell is. He tells Sierra back in 2000 that he "could not understand how
one can make money online today." Meanwhile he is working on Steam so he can
make HUGE profits from Valves' games. Like Sierra wouldn't figure it what he
was up to !
With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us gamers
that want to get there hands on HL2. JLC
noman - 20 Sep 2004 21:10 GMT
>> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us gamers
>that want to get there hands on HL2. JLC

This particular lawsuit has been there for a while and Valve have
released games over Steam and retail stores during the same time.

I don't think Vivendi can afford to cause any hiccups in the release
of Valve's games. HL2 and World of Warcraft are the two titles that
can make them huge sums of money after the disappointing results of
the previous quarter. And both parties sould know that HL2 will sell
many many times more copies in stores compared to online purchases
over Steam.

Considering their eagerness to work with Valve for one more game
(after HL2) amidst these lawsuits is a good indication that HL2
release date would very likely not be messed up with.
--
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Brian Siano - 20 Sep 2004 21:18 GMT
> This particular lawsuit has been there for a while and Valve have
> released games over Steam and retail stores during the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> (after HL2) amidst these lawsuits is a good indication that HL2
> release date would very likely not be messed up with.

Probably true. There's just too much money to be made-- and when the
court case is resolved, they'll divvy up the profits retroactively.
Marshall - 20 Sep 2004 22:10 GMT
> > This particular lawsuit has been there for a while and Valve have
> > released games over Steam and retail stores during the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Probably true. There's just too much money to be made-- and when the
> court case is resolved, they'll divvy up the profits retroactively.

Yep. And that article mentioned that one of the things VU was sueing Valve
for, was supposedly "halting or slowing development" of games it was con-
tracted to produce for distribution by VU- would hardly look good on them
in the eyes of the courts, if they deliberately 'halt or slow' the final release
of HL2.
   -Marshall
William P.N. Smith - 21 Sep 2004 01:01 GMT
>if they deliberately 'halt or slow' the final release of HL2.

And we could tell they were doing it deliberately because?  Maybe
they'd just put it off a month at a time with no real reason?  (Oops,
nope).  Maybe they'd put it off for a year with a lousy excuse?
(Oops, nope).  How could we tell the diffference between a 5-year and
a 7-year development cycle?
Marshall - 21 Sep 2004 07:20 GMT
> >if they deliberately 'halt or slow' the final release of HL2.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (Oops, nope).  How could we tell the diffference between a 5-year and
> a 7-year development cycle?

Just an FYI- I was referring to how it would be unlikely that Vivendi
would do anything at this stage to further delay the release of HL2,
since *they* are the ones claiming that Valve deliberately delayed the
game, previously.
   -Marshall
McGrandpa - 21 Sep 2004 12:09 GMT
>>> if they deliberately 'halt or slow' the final release of HL2.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> game, previously.
>    -Marshall

And, at this point, the retail release of HL2 is the only way VU will
see any income from it.  They are not *yet* included in any profits from
Steam releases.  I think this is what they're actually shooting for.
McG.
The Posting One - 21 Sep 2004 01:25 GMT
>>>This particular lawsuit has been there for a while and Valve have
>>>released games over Steam and retail stores during the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> of HL2.
>     -Marshall

This just adds credence to the fact that HL2 Source Code leak of 2004
was completely fabricated (to the order of purposefully releasing source
code on the internet) in order to delay the game another year since
Steam was not "ready" for primetime. Now we know what was really going
on in the backroom. Valve: f.cking a.sholes.
Cannon Fodder - 21 Sep 2004 03:15 GMT
Your paranoia is noted.. Yer a real fool... These folks are in it to
release the product and make some money... They don't make a dime
holding it back... Not to just jerk you around, jerk....

>>>>This particular lawsuit has been there for a while and Valve have
>>>>released games over Steam and retail stores during the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>Steam was not "ready" for primetime. Now we know what was really going
>on in the backroom. Valve: f.cking a.sholes.
Andrew - 21 Sep 2004 07:15 GMT
>This just adds credence to the fact that HL2 Source Code leak of 2004
>was completely fabricated (to the order of purposefully releasing source
>code on the internet) in order to delay the game another year since
>Steam was not "ready" for primetime. Now we know what was really going
>on in the backroom. Valve: f.cking a.sholes.

You are confusing the word 'fact' with 'lame juvenile conspiracy
theory that doesn't stand up to one bit of scrutiny by a grown up'.
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ElRavager - 28 Sep 2004 22:58 GMT
>>This just adds credence to the fact that HL2 Source Code leak of 2004
>>was completely fabricated (to the order of purposefully releasing source
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>You are confusing the word 'fact' with 'lame juvenile conspiracy
>theory that doesn't stand up to one bit of scrutiny by a grown up'.

It's actually a rather compelling argument.  It's not like Valve have
anything else to stick in the Steam pipeline.  So why not ask a grown
up to scrutinize this idea, and tell us what he tells you.

- elrav
Bateau - 21 Sep 2004 10:17 GMT
>>> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
>>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>(after HL2) amidst these lawsuits is a good indication that HL2
>release date would very likely not be messed up with.

They would just go with the normal retail model if they couldn't sell it
over Steam.
chainbreaker - 20 Sep 2004 21:38 GMT
> Sierra wouldn't figure it what he was up to !
> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us
> gamers that want to get there hands on HL2. JLC

Get your hands on it?!?

The real game couldn't possibly be anything but a letdown, considering the
entertainment its "development" has provided.

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Andrew - 20 Sep 2004 22:19 GMT
>The real game couldn't possibly be anything but a letdown, considering the
>entertainment its "development" has provided.

I'm waiting for the game of the making of HL2.
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JohnSmith - 21 Sep 2004 02:54 GMT
It'll be their best seller :D

>>The real game couldn't possibly be anything but a letdown, considering the
>>entertainment its "development" has provided.
>
> I'm waiting for the game of the making of HL2.
Bateau - 21 Sep 2004 10:30 GMT
>> Sierra wouldn't figure it what he was up to !
>> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us
>> gamers that want to get there hands on HL2. JLC
>
>Get your hands on it?!?

You can't if you buy it via Steam ^_^

>The real game couldn't possibly be anything but a letdown, considering the
>entertainment its "development" has provided.
chainbreaker - 21 Sep 2004 11:47 GMT
>>> Sierra wouldn't figure it what he was up to !
>>> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You can't if you buy it via Steam ^_^

Hahahahaha, what wit!  :-)
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noman - 21 Sep 2004 17:38 GMT
>>>> Sierra wouldn't figure it what he was up to !
>>>> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Hahahahaha, what wit!  :-)

Not having a CD or DVD burner apparently sharpens the wit.
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GorillaRot - 22 Sep 2004 02:13 GMT
why the hell would you go with steam anyway? it's a conspiracy.
Cannon Fodder - 22 Sep 2004 02:20 GMT
When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.....
Geeze... Paranoia makes it so 'cause my mind has made it so...

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wrote:

>why the hell would you go with steam anyway? it's a conspiracy.
John Lewis - 24 Sep 2004 08:54 GMT
>>> Sierra wouldn't figure it what he was up to !
>>> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>The real game couldn't possibly be anything but a letdown, considering the
>>entertainment its "development" has provided.

Hey Bateau,

Thanks so much for giving up your elaborate sig.

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Bateau - 24 Sep 2004 15:27 GMT
>>>> Sierra wouldn't figure it what he was up to !
>>>> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Thanks so much for giving up your elaborate sig.

Thanks for raping my sister, dad.
Bateau - 21 Sep 2004 10:27 GMT
>> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>make HUGE profits from Valves' games. Like Sierra wouldn't figure it what he
>was up to !

If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being paid
f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would hand the
franchise to some other developer.

> With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us gamers
>that want to get there hands on HL2. JLC
Ben Cottrell - 21 Sep 2004 13:07 GMT
> If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being paid
> f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would hand the
> franchise to some other developer.

FACT!

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Icon - 22 Sep 2004 22:46 GMT
>> If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being paid
>> f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would hand the
>> franchise to some other developer.
>
> FACT!

No, not fact. The contract also goverened such things. Don't forget that
Sierra funded the project, were it to flop it is Sierra's money at risk,
hence they deserve their cut, whether you like the company or not. Also,
Valve has the rights to the Half-Life IP, so Sierra couldn't just hand
it over, so much has been reported as fact. The other details of the
contract we don't know.
Ben Cottrell - 23 Sep 2004 00:30 GMT
>>> If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being paid
>>> f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would hand the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> No, not fact.

Not at all, Complete utter bollocks to be precise ;-)

> The contract also goverened such things. Don't forget that
> Sierra funded the project, were it to flop it is Sierra's money at risk,
> hence they deserve their cut, whether you like the company or not.

Valve are an independent developer who fund themselves.  Sierra haven't
funded the development of HL2 or any other Valve projects.

> Also,
> Valve has the rights to the Half-Life IP, so Sierra couldn't just hand
> it over, so much has been reported as fact.

Yes, I realise this,  I was guessing that "Bateau" is your resident
'Cory Dunkle' over in the IBM games NG, i.e, Poster without a clue
(about anything?) ;)

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Bateau - 23 Sep 2004 14:15 GMT
>>>> If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being paid
>>>> f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would hand the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>'Cory Dunkle' over in the IBM games NG, i.e, Poster without a clue
>(about anything?) ;)

Why can't you silly faggots read? I said "if they had not done that".
Icon - 24 Sep 2004 01:29 GMT
>>>> If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being paid
>>>> f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would hand the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Valve are an independent developer who fund themselves.  Sierra haven't
> funded the development of HL2 or any other Valve projects.

GameSpy: To what level has Vivendi contributed to the development of
Half-Life 2? Have they funded any of the game's development, or has it
all been self-funded outside of the publisher?

    [Doug Lombardi]: Valve has provided all the funding for Half-Life
2's development.

Yes, I was mistaken, my apologies.
McGrandpa - 24 Sep 2004 23:10 GMT
>>>>> If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being
>>>>> paid f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Yes, I was mistaken, my apologies.

Oh...[moans] that was good enough for a Brit!  ;o)
McG.
Bateau - 23 Sep 2004 14:15 GMT
>>> If he hadn't done all that sh.t Valve would have ended up being paid
>>> f.ck all for making HL2 and if they complained Sierra would hand the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>it over, so much has been reported as fact. The other details of the
>contract we don't know.

You stupid c.nt. I said if they had NOT forced a new agreement that gave
them the IP (Sierra had it originally) then that's what would have
happened.
David Firewater - 23 Sep 2004 15:57 GMT
"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in
> You stupid plant. I said if they had NOT forced a new agreement that gave
> them the IP (Sierra had it originally) then that's what would have
> happened.

FACT!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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Ben Cottrell - 24 Sep 2004 00:43 GMT
> "Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in
>
>>You stupid plant.

What the hell is a "stupid plant" anyway? :-)

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David Firewater - 24 Sep 2004 01:00 GMT
> What the hell is a "stupid plant" anyway? :-)

Bateau didn't write plant, I changed it. Damn, I hate the word he originally
used, yet strangely love it... Oh, never mind;)
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Ben Cottrell - 24 Sep 2004 01:29 GMT
>>What the hell is a "stupid plant" anyway? :-)
>
> Bateau didn't write plant, I changed it.

I know, that's why i replied to your post and not his :-)

> Damn, I hate the word he originally
> used, yet strangely love it... Oh, never mind;)

Sure, everybody loves a plant ;)

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Cannon Fodder - 24 Sep 2004 02:32 GMT
True, I wuves veggies and critters too... They're damned tasty if
properly prepared...

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:29:28 +0100, Ben Coattails
<bench@bench333.screaming.net> wrote:

>Sure, everybody loves a plant ;)
Bateau - 24 Sep 2004 15:27 GMT
>"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in
>> You stupid plant. I said if they had NOT forced a new agreement that gave
>> them the IP (Sierra had it originally) then that's what would have
>> happened.
>
>FACT!!!!!!!!!!!1111

No moron, it's opinion based on fact. You homos don't even get the
"based on fact" part.
Westman - 24 Sep 2004 19:07 GMT
> >"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in
> >> You stupid plant. I said if they had NOT forced a new agreement that gave
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> No moron, it's opinion based on fact. You homos don't even get the
> "based on fact" part.

The man lost his sig, but nothing of his panache!
stePH - 21 Sep 2004 14:44 GMT
>  With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us gamers
> that want to get there ...

Where?

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Ben Cottrell - 21 Sep 2004 15:21 GMT
>>  With all these lawsuits flying around, it doesn't look good for us
>> gamers
>> that want to get there ...
>
> Where?

Over there!  Look!

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Quoth The Raven "rms <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net>" in
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> Glad I'm buying the physical version!
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html
>
> rms

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riku - 21 Sep 2004 08:35 GMT
>Glad I'm buying the physical version!
>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107712.html

And then some people say there is no chance Steam would ever close
down?
David Firewater - 21 Sep 2004 09:30 GMT
> And then some people say there is no chance Steam would ever close
> down?

Just turn the thermostat down.
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