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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / August 2004ATI is worthless
Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI products you should realize some facts. For one, not only is ATI hardware second rate, but their drivers are always full of bugs. They even warn you against installing the latest drivers, saying only install the drivers if you are having a problem with the previous drivers. I just upgraded my system to 3.2 P4 E CPU on an Asus P4P800-E DX motherboard, and I don't even know if my Radeon 9800 is running at 8X AGP. The "Smart Gart (tm)" bullshit - which is supposed to tell you what rate your video card is running at - is turned off, and the computer becomes unstable when you try to turn it on. Then I was f.cking stupid enough to buy an ATI TV Wonder card. Before I upgraded I was able to get it running after installing and uninstalling various drivers. But every time I turned on the TV I had to turn on the "line in" because the idiot program shut it off. Now when I turn on the TV with the latest drivers it crashes while watching it. And not only that, it won't shut down, not even with Windows XP Task Manager. I have to shut down and turn off the power to get rid of the worthless piece of sh.t. (Not to mention all the problems you get with the voice being out of sync ) ATI products are a sad joke. Hopefully the company will go out of business so people won't get duped into buying worthless crap and end up wasting their hard-earned dollars. But if you want second rate performance and a lot of headaches, buy ATI products. But if you have any f.cking sense you will avoid them like the plague. Another satisfied ATI customer :/ > Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI products > you should realize some facts. Too late, I've had an ATI card for over a year now > For one, not only is ATI hardware second rate, but their drivers are > always full of bugs. They even warn you against installing the latest > drivers, saying only install the drivers if you are having a problem > with the previous drivers. This may have been true about the drivers a couple of years ago, but ATI have, from what I can tell, drastically improved their driver support. Never had a single problem with drivers so far. - I'm running Cat 3.10 drivers (from Hercules).. as for the hardware being 2nd rate.. Well, i've seen the HL2 benchmarks compared to nvidia.. and thats enough for me :) > I just upgraded my system to 3.2 P4 E CPU on an Asus P4P800-E DX > motherboard, and I don't even know if my Radeon 9800 is running at 8X > AGP. The "Smart Gart (tm)" bullshit - which is supposed to tell you > what rate your video card is running at - is turned off, and the > computer becomes unstable when you try to turn it on. SmartGart works fine for me - However, you should be able to easily check if you are running 8x AGP by checking the BIOS... Bear in mind that it could actually be the 8x AGP causing you all these problems. Running 8X AGP has little or no real-world advantage over 4x or 2x AGP, because no video cards actually take advantage of the amount of bandwidth available at 8x.. Yet it seems to be the case sometimes actually enabling 8x in the BIOS causes the system to be unstable. try running the AGP slot at a slower speed and see if this helps... If it doesn't then it's another in a long list of possible problem factors eliminated. > Then I was f.cking stupid enough to buy an ATI TV Wonder card. Before > I upgraded I was able to get it running after installing and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (Not to mention all the problems you get with the voice being out of > sync…) While you can continue blaming these problems solely on the ATI card itself, many people use these cards with no problems - there's a chance you've gotten a faulty card (or maybe the manufacturer has a poor implementation of the ATI card), but more likely there's something else at fault. Maybe a conflict, something else incompatible in your system, or maybe some problem with your Motherboard setup... or something wrong in your WinXP setup. Have you checked ATI user forums to see if anyone else experiences these errors and/or has a fix for them? When you're troubleshooting things like this, you certainly should not make the bold assumption that 1 component is solely to blame when there are a multitude of other factors involved. > ATI products are a sad joke. Hopefully the company will go out of > business so people won't get duped into buying worthless crap and end [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Another satisfied ATI customer :/ While it's easy to blame the ATI card, or the ATI chip, there are 1000s of people who use them without problems - making general statements such as that aren't at all helpful or constructive, because they're just not true! I'm sure that for every ATI owner who's had problems like this, there is an nVidia owner who has had problems just as bad. The fact is that, regardless of manufacturer, computers don't always work 100% of the time, and problems like this *do* happen in the Real World(tm). From a very satisfied Hercules 9800 Pro customer.  SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Disclaimer: This post may contain explicit depictions of things which are "real". These "real" things are commonly known as 'life'! So, if it sounds sarcastic, don't take it seriously. If it sounds hazardous, Do not try this at home or at all. And if it offends you, just don't read it. >> Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI >> products you should realize some facts. > > Too late, I've had an ATI card for over a year now > >> For one, not only is ATI hardware SNIP! Too late... I agree with ya Bench. But, this is the fifth ng I've seen that one post in already this morning. Like you, the FIRST time I saw it, I replied. :) McG. > >> Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI > >> products you should realize some facts. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it, I replied. :) > McG. Yep, I'd bet it's not any random disgruntled customer, but somebody with ulterior motives, using the handle 'ATI sucks' and posting the same message to a boatload of seperate ng's. -Marshall >>>Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI >>>products you should realize some facts. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that one post in already this morning. Like you, the FIRST time I saw > it, I replied. :) Ah.. Well, unfortunately i don't subscribe to that many NGs so I didn't see that.... I guess i should up my troll-detector sensitivity ;) SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Disclaimer: This post may contain explicit depictions of things which are "real". These "real" things are commonly known as 'life'! So, if it sounds sarcastic, don't take it seriously. If it sounds hazardous, Do not try this at home or at all. And if it offends you, just don't read it. >> Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI products >> you should realize some facts. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Never had a single problem with drivers so far. - I'm running Cat 3.10 > drivers (from Hercules).. CAT 3.10??? They're at 4.8 now!!! Also, I have been using ATI for over four years with very stable system performance. I had a couple of wobbly times that ATI fixed very quickly. Yeah, My first with ATI, an Asus Radeon 9800 XT and it's faultless,,,, This dudes problem is with the owner of the card... On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:40:30 -0400, "HoneycOmbeD" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote: >Also, I have been using ATI for over four years with very stable system >performance. I had a couple of wobbly times that ATI fixed very quickly. Cat 3.10s ?? this is a real BOZO :) >Yeah, My first with ATI, an Asus Radeon 9800 XT and it's faultless,,,, >This dudes problem is with the owner of the card... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>Also, I have been using ATI for over four years with very stable system >>performance. I had a couple of wobbly times that ATI fixed very quickly. HELLO NURSE. > Cat 3.10s ?? this is a real BOZO :) Huh? Sorry, I don't see the problem in running year-old drivers when they actually *work* :) i'm a big subscriber to "if it aint broke, don't fix it" .. while i'm sure the 4.8's are perfectly OK, my comp works fine, and i'm not gonna install some new drivers just because it's "trendy". SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Disclaimer: This post may contain explicit depictions of things which are "real". These "real" things are commonly known as 'life'! So, if it sounds sarcastic, don't take it seriously. If it sounds hazardous, Do not try this at home or at all. And if it offends you, just don't read it. >> Cat 3.10s ?? this is a real BOZO :) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >works fine, and i'm not gonna install some new drivers just because it's >"trendy". Bench - although the 3.10 drivers may 'work' i.e. they dont crash and tend to get something on the screen - I dont thnk they are DirectX9 compatible. Which means if you want to see HL2 in as much glory as possible you will need to bite the bullet and get DirectX9 and later ATI drivers. Cheers Yojimbo aka Justin Thompson Very proud owner of: 3 'Hapless AGHL lurker' points 4 'I corrected Daemon points' 5 AGHL 'de-cloaking' points 6 'I summed it up in a sentence' points >>>Cat 3.10s ?? this is a real BOZO :) >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cheers Hmm? I didn't realise this .. DX9 was certainly available when the 3.10s were released (about oct 2003?), so i don't see why they wouldn't be - i'll investigate this further though SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Disclaimer: This post may contain explicit depictions of things which are "real". These "real" things are commonly known as 'life'! So, if it sounds sarcastic, don't take it seriously. If it sounds hazardous, Do not try this at home or at all. And if it offends you, just don't read it. >>>>Cat 3.10s ?? this is a real BOZO :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >3.10s were released (about oct 2003?), so i don't see why they wouldn't >be - i'll investigate this further though Sorry - you were right - DirectX9 support was in the 3.0 drivers I was going from memory (always a bit risky!!). Anyway - other people have commented re speed/stability etc so you should still probably take the plunge. Cheers Yojimbo aka Justin Thompson Very proud owner of: 3 'Hapless AGHL lurker' points 4 'I corrected Daemon points' 5 AGHL 'de-cloaking' points 6 'I summed it up in a sentence' points >>> Cat 3.10s ?? this is a real BOZO :) >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cheers Not to mention the speed increases. There is nothing wrong with using older drivers and waiting to hear about stability issues before getting the newest ones, but for the most part they offer improvements. I also tend to wait a week or two and read some newsgroup postings about issues before I download, and at times stick with a version for a couple revisions until the bugs are worked out. >>Bench - although the 3.10 drivers may 'work' i.e. they dont crash and >>tend to get something on the screen - I dont thnk they are DirectX9 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and at times stick with a version for a couple revisions until the bugs are > worked out. That's a fair point :) With the exception of FarCry, all my games work smoothly with high detail.. Although, thinking about FarCry, 3.10s *Must* be DX9 compatible, because FC shows me all of it's nice DX9 stuff when i max the detail (it just doesnt run very smoothly :) ) ... although I'll certainly be looking at ways to improve HL2 performance, so i'll toy around with the Cat 4.8s... incidentally I finally caved and bought CZ - itching to try out the CS:Source beta.. perhaps this will be a good subject for testing :) SignatureBen Cottrell AKA Bench Disclaimer: This post may contain explicit depictions of things which are "real". These "real" things are commonly known as 'life'! So, if it sounds sarcastic, don't take it seriously. If it sounds hazardous, Do not try this at home or at all. And if it offends you, just don't read it. >>> Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI >>> products you should realize some facts. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CAT 3.10??? They're at 4.8 now!!! 4.9 Betas, mostly for the X800 series, and mostly for fixing probs in Doom3. At least that seems to be the consensus over in a.g.d McG. > Also, I have been using ATI for over four years with very stable > system performance. I had a couple of wobbly times that ATI fixed > very quickly. Sounds like you're technically inept, I'd stick to pre-built systems or consols if I were you. SignatureMorgan. ---- * You see in this world there's two kinds of people my friend, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. Mail: Morgan.Sales@ntlworld.com Webpage: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/msales > Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI products > you should realize some facts. Jeesh, have nVidia's management now stooped this low? Amazing... > Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI products > you should realize some facts. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Another satisfied ATI customer :/ Actually mate its Asus that sucks - I handled a query about the same board and AGP being blanked out in Smartgart - it turns out there was no option to determine the AGP speed in the bios - AGP x4 or x8 needs to be enabled in the bios or thru mobo drivers first then it'll show up in Smartgart. I had a Asus board 2 years back and my Dad has one now - both boards occasionally boot up into the bios with an error message that the machine is unstable due to overclock and in both cases nothing was being overclocked. No mate - ASUS SUCKS. > Before you think about spending your hard-earned money on ATI products > you should realize some facts. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Another satisfied ATI customer :/ ATI drivers *do* suck a.s compared to nVidia. ATI drivers only let you change settings while logged in as a Power User or Administrator -- unless you know which registry settings to grant access to all users. Another thing, I have full-screen gamma settings that get lost if you alt+tab away from a game and then back -- even the hotkeys don't work at this point. I have the 9800 All-in-Wonder, too. You have to jerk with the audio settings to get an acceptable line-in level. It's okay, but not for the non-technical person. > ATI drivers *do* suck a.s compared to nVidia. ATI drivers only let > you change settings while logged in as a Power User or Administrator You think that's bad? > Another thing, I have full-screen gamma settings that get lost if you > alt+tab away from a game and then back -- even the hotkeys don't work > at this point. Not on my system. SignatureMorgan. ---- * You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on. :- Dean Martin Mail: Morgan.Sales@ntlworld.com Webpage: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/msales |
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