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Game Forum / Action Games / Half Life / February 2004OT: EVE Online and MMORPGs
Me again, I know Strider tried EVE and didn't like it, but I tried the demo and I'm hooked :) Yes me, who doesn't like online games. Very friendly people online, it looks beautiful (the main reason I wanted to try it), and it runs very well on a dial-up connection, which was the biggest surprise to me. The combat doesn't require an awful lot of input (just lock target and switch the guns on), but that's probably what makes it easy to run on a mid to low-end system. It reminds me of Privateer (more than Elite), with the addictiveness of trading and mining in order to fund bigger and better upgrades for your ship. It seems like there's some politics and intrigue going on at the upper levels, but I'm just trying to survive the asteroid belts for now. So, what are these other MMORPGs like, then? SW Galaxies and that other one with the pretty pictures that Anders posted a while back? Are they better? Who's playing them from here? Any AGHL groups formed within online worlds? -- Paul > Me again, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there's some politics and intrigue going on at the upper levels, but I'm just > trying to survive the asteroid belts for now. Your post reminded me I downloaded the client software last week.... then forgot about it :) Having just installed and signed on:- Pro's Good graphics Good help system and tutorial Looks like a game with loads of depth, the options are bewildering.. equipment, skills choices, races, etc (read: I have probably created a useless character because I didn't bother reading the forums for guidelines :) Con's I was hoping for a first person flight model (ala elite or X2 - the threat) rather than 'homeworld' point and click, but reckon I will at least carry on playing for the first month. Why does it start out in 'Windowed' mode??? > So, what are these other MMORPGs like, then? SW Galaxies and that other one > with the pretty pictures that Anders posted a while back? Are they better? > Who's playing them from here? Any AGHL groups formed within online worlds? Whoop, Strider and a few other's are (were?) playing SWG (probably on different servers though), I have been very tempted, but put off by early bug reports, the lack of drivable craft, and reports of it taking ages on the 'levelling treadmill' to get to a stage when you can actually do something interesting. I was looking to join a fantasy MMORPG myself, haven't played in years, have looked at 'Dark Age of Camelot', seems ok if somewhat of a hackfest. All the bigger ones I have no or little knowledge of, like everquest or ultima online etc. Dave Sloth proclaimed... > Con's > I was hoping for a first person flight model (ala elite or X2 - the threat) > rather than 'homeworld' point and click, but reckon I will at least carry on > playing for the first month. > Why does it start out in 'Windowed' mode??? I pretty much agree with that. I also want a sequel to elite where I can dogfight. > Whoop, Strider and a few other's are (were?) playing SWG (probably on > different servers though), I have been very tempted, but put off by early > bug reports, the lack of drivable craft, and reports of it taking ages on > the 'levelling treadmill' to get to a stage when you can actually do > something interesting. Well I don't play any MMORPG at the minute but once again I must pimp Carom3D pool. It's an online pool game and great fun: http://www.carom3d.com  Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" >I pretty much agree with that. I also want a sequel to elite where I can >dogfight. You've prolly tried 'em all, but just in case you haven't: X2, Battlecruiser Millennium/Universal Combat, Starshatter. I've only peeked at Starshatter so far but the blurb seems to fit. The same for the other two, to varying degrees. - -- Frode >I've only peeked at Starshatter so far but the blurb seems to fit. The >same for the other two, to varying degrees. On second thought, strike Starshatter. Read up a bit more and seems it's not as freeform as I first thought. - -- Frode Frode proclaimed... > You've prolly tried 'em all, but just in case you haven't: X2, > Battlecruiser Millennium/Universal Combat, Starshatter. Apart from X2 I've not played them. I played X2's predecessor in X Beyond the frontier. What I'm really looking for is a MMORPG based around elite. I suspect the others you mentioned aren't MMORPG? Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" > > You've prolly tried 'em all, but just in case you haven't: X2, > > Battlecruiser Millennium/Universal Combat, Starshatter. > > Apart from X2 I've not played them. I played X2's predecessor in X > Beyond the frontier. What I'm really looking for is a MMORPG based > around elite. What's X2 like? The reviews are poles apart. Some say it's the best thing ever, others say the interface is so clunky that it kills the game. What's your view? Is it just me, or does Starshatter sound a bit scatological? -- Paul > > > You've prolly tried 'em all, but just in case you haven't: X2, > > > Battlecruiser Millennium/Universal Combat, Starshatter. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ever, others say the interface is so clunky that it kills the game. What's your > view? X2 Great graphics, etc blah.. The interface is very clunky - ie just plain bad.....(it could have been great - but the whole game is to much effort) Don't buy it now - bargain bin game maybe. Dave AKA Sloth Paul Catley proclaimed... > What's X2 like? The reviews are poles apart. Some say it's the best thing > ever, others say the interface is so clunky that it kills the game. What's your > view? Well I downloaded it thinking it was MMORPG so I was always going to be dispointed. The interface was chunky mind. It didn't stay on my PC long. Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" >> You've prolly tried 'em all, but just in case you haven't: X2, >> Battlecruiser Millennium/Universal Combat, Starshatter. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >around elite. >I suspect the others you mentioned aren't MMORPG? Nope they're not. Of course, neither was Elite :) I remember drooling over a 2400 baud modem for my C64 at that time (at least I think it was 2400). Anways, I didn't realize you wanted it to be MMO. In can only think of two off the top of my head that are space based trading type games. Eve and Earth & Beyond. Tested the first briefly in early beta. Could barely get online so can't claim much knowledge of it. E&B I bought out of Elite nostalgia and regretted it enough to uninstall it after about two weeks. Horribly shallow game. Tbh, that's my experience with all MMO games to date. The level treadmill (bash badguy, buy bigger gun/sword/ship, bash bigger badguy to get bonus etc) doesn't do it for me. Neither does the aspect of a graphical chat client. The first I can do offline just fine if I so wish (Diablo or whatever). If I want chatting I'll go on IRC. So what does that leave me with for an MMO? Not a whole lot. A monthly expenditure for playing a game that viewed purely as a game is mediocre at best. I personally hold much higher hopes of a single player game fulfilling my Elite cravings than an MMOG (I omitted the RP on purpose since there's precious little of it going on in most MMO games). Something like a merge between Battlecruiser and X2 would be close to perfect I suspect. Hm, ok, that's my tirade of the day. I'll slink back to my corner now and hope someone else has actual suggestions for you as opposed to a rant like mine. - -- Frode > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hm, ok, that's my tirade of the day. I'll slink back to my corner now and > hope someone else has actual suggestions for you as opposed to a rant like > mine. Ah, don't be too hard on yourself, Frode - your rants are getting better each time. Most informative as well. I had to agree with this one especially, even though I've never played a MMO game... I prefer the idea of smaller online encounters between people I trust. Friday CS games were the height of that, and the aghl NWN games come close. ___ Neil AKA HighVis > Your post reminded me I downloaded the client software last week.... then > forgot about it :) Did you do that last Saturday? I saw a Sloth when I first joined. Was going to say "hi" on the off-chance it was you, but the player disappeared before I could figure out how you do that :) If you're on, look for Qahan Varasal, in the good ship "Glamorous Glennis II". Catchy huh? > Having just installed and signed on:- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > useless character because I didn't bother reading the forums for guidelines > :) You forgot the character portrait thing. That's brilliant! I could spend hours messing with that, without even playing the game :) Games like NWN could really do with a feature like that. The depth is astounding, not just in-game, but in the web community that surrounds it. Far too much to take in. I still haven't figured out whether the news items are just for background atmosphere, or actually reflect something that's going on in the game (or are seeds for adventuring opportunities). > Con's > I was hoping for a first person flight model (ala elite or X2 - the threat) > rather than 'homeworld' point and click, but reckon I will at least carry on > playing for the first month. I think that puts many people off, but how viable is a MMOG that allows you to use hand-eye coordination skills as you would in a shooter? I don't know how other MMOGs work, but there are over 7000 people on the single EVE server, compared to, say, about 2 dozen on BF1942 servers. No wonder they went for this style of play. As a result, the game plays very well on a dial-up connection, something I wouldn't have thought was possible (another Pro). The game is more about galactic trade and personal interaction between players than it is about combat. I would imagine most MMOGs are similar, but maybe the space genre leads you into thinking that dogfighting is possible. > Why does it start out in 'Windowed' mode??? Dunno, but you can change it to full screen in the options. Took me ages to find that without a manual, but you just press Esc :) Incidentally, you can add more graphics options by adding the line "advancedDevice=1" (no quotes) to the prefs.ini file in the Cache folder. I was getting stripey textures and no FSAA, but this sorted it out for me, and now it looks gorgeous :) > Whoop, Strider and a few other's are (were?) playing SWG (probably on > different servers though), I have been very tempted, but put off by early > bug reports, the lack of drivable craft, and reports of it taking ages on > the 'levelling treadmill' to get to a stage when you can actually do > something interesting. I was put off by monthly fees and the thought of having to be online almost constantly, but I seem to have overcome those fears :) Have they got driveable vehicles in SWG now? > I was looking to join a fantasy MMORPG myself, haven't played in years, have > looked at 'Dark Age of Camelot', seems ok if somewhat of a hackfest. All the > bigger ones I have no or little knowledge of, like everquest or ultima > online etc. Stick with NWN, you know it makes sense :) -- Paul Paul Catley proclaimed... > So, what are these other MMORPGs like, then? SW Galaxies and that other one > with the pretty pictures that Anders posted a while back? Are they better? > Who's playing them from here? Any AGHL groups formed within online worlds? Of the ones I've played, Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Final Fantasy XI and of course, Eve. For me Sloths 'cons' for Eve stand up well. I also was looking for more of an Elite model. Ultima Online is a well crafted game and is showing it's age. It's successor Ultima X: The Oddysey looks very good though: http://www.uxo.ea.com/ Star Wars Galaxies is an extremely impressive game on many accounts. However if you play a combative class in the RPG vein then you'll find few 'quests' that are actually rewarding. The crafting classes involved in creating the majority of the games items to be bought and used often have a more enjoyable game as that aspect looks more complete. Final Fantasy XI is a very solid RPG but one I just found arduous in the end. I've a thread here if you're interested in following: http://stri.no- ip.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=190 Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" > Of the ones I've played, Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Final > Fantasy XI and of course, Eve. I think it was Final Fantasy XI that Anders was showing screenies from. It looked lovely, but no idea what it's all about. The game I'm thinking of had some kind of low-crawling crustacean as a character. > For me Sloths 'cons' for Eve stand up well. I also was looking for more > of an Elite model. It's a couple of years old, and I've only just installed it myself, so I can't vouch for it, but have you tried Independence War 2? I picked it up for ?5 in Game this week. The original, I-War, was one of my favourite games in its time, and the realistic space combat physics model carries on in this game, as do the very nice spacey graphics and expensive-looking cutscenes. Don't know if there's any Elite-style trade, though (there wasn't in the original, it was a fixed storyline, but well told) -- Paul Paul Catley proclaimed... > It's a couple of years old, and I've only just installed it myself, so I can't > vouch for it, but have you tried Independence War 2? I picked it up for ?5 in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > there's any Elite-style trade, though (there wasn't in the original, it was a > fixed storyline, but well told) I'll check it out. Cheers Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" >I think it was Final Fantasy XI that Anders was showing screenies from. It >looked lovely, but no idea what it's all about. The game I'm thinking of had >some kind of low-crawling crustacean as a character. I'm still playing FFXI, which is my second MMORPG (Galaxies being the first). It has it's flaws, but I like the fantasy genre and I like the FF series, so I'm still having fun. ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://hemsida.semera.se/xav2557 "Beware the past. Fight the present. Fear the future." Anders Simonsson proclaimed... > I'm still playing FFXI, which is my second MMORPG (Galaxies being the > first). It has it's flaws, but I like the fantasy genre and I like the > FF series, so I'm still having fun. Do I need to keep the FFXI forum? Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" >Do I need to keep the FFXI forum? No. I don't think so. ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://hemsida.semera.se/xav2557 "Beware the past. Fight the present. Fear the future." Anders Simonsson proclaimed... > No. I don't think so. You should check out Carom3D Pool, it's very good. www.carom3d.com Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" >> No. I don't think so. >You should check out Carom3D Pool, it's very good. Strider, AGHL's Carom3D pimp. :) - -- Frode Frode proclaimed... > Strider, AGHL's Carom3D pimp. :) Everyone I've introduced it to has loved it. Carom3D Pool = WIN! Signaturewww.stri.tk irc.gamesurge.net #AGHL "By law, anyone who has been drinking is 'sober' until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground" > I'm still playing FFXI, which is my second MMORPG (Galaxies being the > first). It has it's flaws, but I like the fantasy genre and I like the > FF series, so I'm still having fun. So, if there's a FFXI, what are all these adverts I see for a FFX-2? (They're just names to me, I've done no research at all) -- Paul >So, if there's a FFXI, what are all these adverts I see for a FFX-2? >(They're just names to me, I've done no research at all) Well, they really should have called FFXI Final Fantasy Online, because that's what it is. I have no idea why they decided to name them like that. FFX2 is 'just' another installment in the series, ie singleplayer and nothing online. I haven't actually played FFX2 yet, but that's what I've been told. ----- Anders "Roshin" Simonsson http://hemsida.semera.se/xav2557 "Beware the past. Fight the present. 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