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Nick - 19 Feb 2004 10:59 GMT
Apologies in advance - this subject has probably been done to death but....

I have an old M$ Intellimouse Explorer USB thang, which has served me well
over the past few years, but has one problem (which I know is common to this
particular type of mouse) - if I move the mouse too quickly in HL (or TFC)
then I usually end up looking at something I didn't intend too - often it's
the ceiling...

So, question is - do the newere optical meeces solve this problem? I'm
thinking of getting M$'s newest Wireless Intellimouse Explorer:
<http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=
002>
Does anyone have this mouse and are they experiencing this problem with it?

Cheers,
Nick
Strider - 19 Feb 2004 17:41 GMT
Nick proclaimed...

> Apologies in advance - this subject has probably been done to death but....
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> then I usually end up looking at something I didn't intend too - often it's
> the ceiling...

In my case it turned out to be a mouse mat which had reflective
qualities. Your mat (or table) needs to be dark blue/brown/black with no
'shiney bits'

The Blueyonder mouse mat is especially bad.

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Civilian_Target - 19 Feb 2004 17:55 GMT
Its generally a sign of either shiny mouse mat (as strider says) or
the optical engine not being able to keep up. I've actually used my
MX700 on a plate glass mirror and it worked, but not very well. But
I've never had that swivel problem.

Civilian_Target

>Apologies in advance - this subject has probably been done to death but....
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Cheers,
>Nick
Rob Devey - 19 Feb 2004 18:47 GMT
Piece of office carpet tile. Served me well for years :-)
Ben Cottrell - 19 Feb 2004 23:17 GMT
I used to get this problem (I have one of the original Intellimouse
Explorers too - still going after 4 and a half years of use and abuse -
but its looking rather tatty these days, and the mousewheel has become a
bit iffy from time to time).. I don't remember what fixed it .... I
still use the surface of my desk to run the mouse on and always have
done... I thought it was something about moving the mouse too quickly if
you had a very high sensitivity setting in HL or in Windows.  I only
know that it doesnt happen any more (perhaps it was the old Intellipoint
drivers that had a problem?)

> Apologies in advance - this subject has probably been done to death but....
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Cheers,
> Nick

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Nick - 20 Feb 2004 09:07 GMT
Ben, sounds like the same mouse, and yes, it's looking tatty now - gone quite grey, but it's still
working just as well as ever.

Yup, the problem I describe occurs when I move the mouse too fast - but I only have the sensitivity
set to 2 in HL and have left the default settings under XP (which should mean I'm using a fairly
recent driver too, no?) Plus I've always used a non-shiny soft finish mouse pad... ah well, maybe
I'll just try a new mouse ;o)

Cheers all!

> I used to get this problem (I have one of the original Intellimouse
> Explorers too - still going after 4 and a half years of use and abuse -
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson,
> Nintendo, Inc, 1989
Ben Cottrell - 20 Feb 2004 13:53 GMT
> Ben, sounds like the same mouse, and yes, it's looking tatty now - gone quite grey, but it's still
> working just as well as ever.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Cheers all!

ahhhh so it's the speed that you move the mouse.. ok.. so.. what if you
Up your mouse sensitivity?    no need to move the mouse so quickly  (I
run the game with sensitivity 7.5 .. so no need for hasty mouse movement)

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Lithurge - 22 Feb 2004 20:49 GMT
> Ben, sounds like the same mouse, and yes, it's looking
> tatty now - gone quite grey, but it's still working just as
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and have left the default settings under XP (which should
> mean I'm using a fairly recent driver too, no?)

Possibly not. I've got XP & an Intellimouse optical & the
installed software is version 3, with drivers from April
2002.

The latest software is version 5, but I don't know what the
driver date on that is yet.
Lithurge - 22 Feb 2004 21:13 GMT
>> Yup, the problem I describe occurs when I move the mouse
>> too fast - but I only have the sensitivity set to 2 in HL
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> The latest software is version 5, but I don't know what the
> driver date on that is yet.

Oops, turns out I was using an Intellimouse Explorer 3, but
the driver has now updated to May 2003.
Nick - 23 Feb 2004 09:54 GMT
> >> Yup, the problem I describe occurs when I move the mouse
> >> too fast - but I only have the sensitivity set to 2 in HL
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Oops, turns out I was using an Intellimouse Explorer 3, but
> the driver has now updated to May 2003.

Now here's a thing (that I might have tried before...)

I tried using my kids' M$ optical laptop mouse thingy and... couldn't get the problem to occur. So I
guess that means I need a new mouse.

Anyway, thanks all for your input!

-Nick
Lithurge - 23 Feb 2004 18:11 GMT
>> Oops, turns out I was using an Intellimouse Explorer 3,
>> but the driver has now updated to May 2003.
>
> Now here's a thing (that I might have tried before...)

Come on nobody updates mice & keyboard drivers :)
Lief - 20 Feb 2004 06:15 GMT
> Apologies in advance - this subject has probably been done to death but....
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> So, question is - do the newere optical meeces solve this problem? I'm
> thinking of getting M$'s newest Wireless Intellimouse Explorer:

<http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=
> 002>
> Does anyone have this mouse and are they experiencing this problem with it?

Logitech MX 500 (or is it 300?, the one with a wire anyway, the wireless one
is like a brick).

Superb mouse, get a jet black cloth or one of those funky expensive mats and
your all set ;p
Sneezy - 20 Feb 2004 23:53 GMT
> Apologies in advance - this subject has probably been done to death
> but....
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Does anyone have this mouse and are they experiencing this problem
> with it?

I've got an Intellimouse Optical - easier on the wrist and very accurate.
Has two additional programmable buttons. I just use a standard mouse mat -
nowt fancy.

It's annoying - you can adjust all the mouse settings so they're perfect in
one game, but go to another game and they're all different. Mods are sort
of the same - Heart of Evil completely messes with the settings so the
mouse is unusuable. The mouse sensitivity (I have it near maximum) is the
most important setting - that and the axis.

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b0yce - 25 Feb 2004 11:27 GMT
Getting a decent MouseMat is a definate Must. If you live in the UK go here;

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Gaming_Surfaces_32.html

Otherwise do a www.froogle.com search for a mouse mat called "RatPad".
Here's an online review

http://www.pc-extreme.co.uk/view.asp?ID=21&PAGE=1

b0yce

> > Apologies in advance - this subject has probably been done to death
> > but....
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> mouse is unusuable. The mouse sensitivity (I have it near maximum) is the
> most important setting - that and the axis.
Strider - 25 Feb 2004 18:14 GMT
b0yce proclaimed...

> Getting a decent MouseMat is a definate Must. If you live in the UK go here;
>
> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Gaming_Surfaces_32.html

Disregard that advice. Do not - under any circumstances - purchase
anything from OCUK.

Reasons: http://tinyurl.com/yqonz

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Ben Cottrell - 25 Feb 2004 23:35 GMT
> Disregard that advice. Do not - under any circumstances - purchase
> anything from OCUK.

I'd agree that buying components is risky, since their willingness to
handle returns is somewhat dodgy .. however I reckon he's safe buying a
mouse-mat though :-)

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Civilian_Target - 26 Feb 2004 02:28 GMT
>b0yce proclaimed...
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Reasons: http://tinyurl.com/yqonz

I've never had any problems with OCUK and I've ordered quite a few
things off them, none of which I have ever overclocked, and none of
which I've ever had problems with.

That said, I'd strongly recommend dabs.com and komplett.co.uk to
anyone, and in the same vein suggest

a) Do not buy MSI (shoddy shoddy build quality, cheap components used,
very noisy for what they do)
b) Do not buy Coolermaster (Again, build quality takes the piss)
c) Do not buy codegen (powersupplys that claim 360W and have the
output of 160W)

Civilian_Target
b0yce - 26 Feb 2004 10:28 GMT
Yeah cheers for the support of confidence. FYI - I have never had a problem
with OverClocker's neither. Plus the dated post was June 8th 2003. So over 6
months ago. I am sure that they are more capable now - unless you can post
another TinyURL to prove me wrong. :-)

Anyway - I would recommend RatPad, as in my previous post, but I couldn't
find a stockist off-hand, so just posted a link to OverClockers for other
mousemats.

b0yce (proclaims no more)

> b0yce proclaimed...
>
> > Getting a decent MouseMat is a definate Must. If you live in the UK go here;

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Gaming_Surfaces_32.html

> Disregard that advice. Do not - under any circumstances - purchase
> anything from OCUK.
>
> Reasons: http://tinyurl.com/yqonz
Strider - 27 Feb 2004 15:33 GMT
b0yce proclaimed...

> Yeah cheers for the support of confidence. FYI - I have never had a problem
> with OverClocker's neither.

And neither have I with Ebuyer.com but they're also reputed to have a
poor after sales service. The point I'm making is, if you want to deal
with a company which will almost certainly let you down if the goods are
faulty at least deal with a company which reflects that to some degree
in the price.

>  Plus the dated post was June 8th 2003. So over 6
> months ago. I am sure that they are more capable now - unless you can post
> another TinyURL to prove me wrong. :-)

I used that one specifically because I started it, or something...

Here is another dated 2004:

http://tinyurl.com/2zsxz

> Anyway - I would recommend RatPad, as in my previous post, but I couldn't
> find a stockist off-hand, so just posted a link to OverClockers for other
> mousemats.

I have a ratpad and a funcsurface and the latter is far superior.

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