Okay kids, send your comments here:
http://cbsnewyork.com/shame/
Personally, I hope I stop laughing long enough to comment.
http://cbsnewyork.com/shamestories/local_story_310210921.html
http://cbsnewyork.com
Shame On You: Rockstar Video Games
Nov 6, 2003 11:38 pm US/Eastern
Brutal, bloody images and racist messages. It's all packaged in a popular video
game. One outraged Haitian American viewer, who didn't want to appear on camera,
says the message is unacceptable.
CBS 2's Arnold Diaz takes a closer look, but a word of caution, what he found is
not appropriate for children.
It's the best selling video game of all time, and may be the most graphically
violent. The object of "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" is to kill, kill again,
then kill some more.
"This game is very extreme. There's a lot of blood, you can shoot people's heads
off," says John Difenderfer
Difenderfer says he's addicted to the game, plays it for hours on end, and
admits it can mess with your head, "I think you have to have a strong mind to be
able to play this game and not want to go out and kill people."
While much of Vice City's violence is random and indiscriminate, Shame On You
found as you get deeper into the game it takes an ugly, racist twist. Players
are instructed to exterminate an entire ethnic group!
"My mission in the game is to kill the Haitians," says Difenderfer.
That's right, kill the Haitians! Just read to the game's dialogue:
"I hate these Haitians. We'll take them out, we'll take these Haitians down."
The Haitians are portrayed as evil drug dealers in "Vice City." the player's
goal? Wipe them out, an order given both verbally and in writing:
"Stinking nest of Haitians. We gonna kill them all. Kill all the Haitians."
"This is a game that is not only racist, but it is dangerous," says Dr. Henry
Frank.
Frank, Director of the Haitian Centers Council, was shocked and outraged when we
showed him the game. He says this is a cultural attack on the one million
Haitians living on our area. "To kill the Haitians like beasts, like nothing,
you are attacking our self-esteem, our respect and everything that we have."
He fears the worst may happen, "You don't know where you are going to get some
crazy mind who will apply exactly what they have seen on the game."
Why is Rockstar Games, the maker of "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" using the
killing of Haitians as entertainment?
The company is based right here in New York City. Its president, Sam Houser, is
ranked as one of the entertainment industry's most powerful people. But he's
hiding, refusing to speak with us at all, refusing to even acknowledge the
community's concerns about the game.
"They don't care who they are offending," says Dr. David Walsh.
We spoke to Dr. David Walsh from the National Institute on Media and the Family
via satellite from Minneapolis. He says while "Vice City" is rated M,
inappropriate for kids under 17. Studies show the game is hugely popular among
young teenage boys, and that's got him worried. "For them to be playing a game
that dehumanizes and makes a whole group of people the object of derision and
persecution, that's not the kind of message we want to be sending to our young
people. "
Haitian leaders now say they won't stand for it. "When our self-esteem, our
prestige is down, we'll fight for that. I'm going to mobilize my community, they
have to do something," adds Frank.
So into the CBS 2 Hall Of Shame we induct Rockstar Games and its president, Sam
Houser, for cashing in on racism and violence.
One thing is certain: The violence and racism haven't hurt the video's sales.
Estimates are that Rockstar Games has already made $260 million from "Vice City"
in its first year of release.
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cyberman - 08 Nov 2003 13:13 GMT
Good points in there but you kill people of all races!
> Okay kids, send your comments here:
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> (MMIII, Viacom Internet Services Inc. , All Rights Reserved)
Kavvy - 08 Nov 2003 17:08 GMT
> > CBS 2's Arnold Diaz takes a closer look, but a word of caution, what he
> found is
> > not appropriate for children.
http://cbsnewyork.com/shame/
Anyone at all who can show their face in public whilst sporting a mustache
like that cannot be taken seriously.
Only coppers, army officers and men who are totally insecure with their own
masculinity wear mustaches.
I won't risk prosecution by suggesting that he looks like a child molester,
and that he probably shouldn't be commenting on subjects which have the word
'children' in the sentence.
Legal disclamer
"The opinion expressed in the above sentence, is not to be taken seriously.
I (Kavvy) made it up with the intention of impressing a few people. Arnold
Diaz does not look like a child molestor , but does in fact look like a
c.nt. And I'll happily prove this point in court, with a copy of Razzle.
bizenya - 14 Dec 2003 22:39 GMT
> Legal disclamer
> "The opinion expressed in the above sentence, is not to be taken seriously.
> I (Kavvy) made it up with the intention of impressing a few people. Arnold
> Diaz does not look like a child molestor , but does in fact look like a
> c.nt. And I'll happily prove this point in court, with a copy of Razzle.
LMFAO
;o))
Big Yager - 30 Dec 2003 18:14 GMT
Well the protestors have won. Rock Star caved into their demands and
will edit out the content on future releases. They also issued an
apology to the Haitian community and to all those effected.
So... where was the support for the company? Or do people rather just
go on-line and cuss in silence?
bryan - 30 Dec 2003 19:42 GMT
> Well the protestors have won. Rock Star caved into their demands and
> will edit out the content on future releases. They also issued an
> apology to the Haitian community and to all those effected.
do you have a link for this?
> So... where was the support for the company? Or do people rather just
> go on-line and cuss in silence?
if they lose the atmosphere of the game, they'll lose at least one
customer... me.
or i may just download it instead.
Lord Flashheart - 08 Nov 2003 18:04 GMT
I just sent them my comments.
"I have just read your article about Grand Theft Auto and I'm afraid I must
disagree. I have played Grand Theft Auto since the original was released
approxiamtely 5 years ago. I enjoy these games immensely because they give
me the opportunity to do on my Playstation what I can't and won't in real
life. I believe the person you quoted was wrong - it doesn't take a strong
mind to resist the urges to kill, it only takes a mind. Anybody with the
power of thought can brush away these thoughts as what they are - nothing. I
hope you don't think I am just another games fan who will defend my leisure
pursuits at all costs. I am an 18 year old male living in England and it
shows just how out of touch the so-called -experts- are with what people
actually think. violence is something everybody, without exception, is
exposed to. If somebody can not tell the difference between computer
generated images and real life I pity them, I really do. If I thought Grand
Theft Auto was a major problem (or any problem at all) I wouldn't play it,
let alone buy it. I hope some of this gets through."
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Bert Byfield - 09 Nov 2003 04:17 GMT
> "I have just read your article about Grand Theft Auto and I'm afraid I
> must disagree. I have played Grand Theft Auto since the original was
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> just another games fan who will defend my leisure pursuits at all
> costs.
No, you are entirely correct. I have played war games since I was six-
years-old (1949), and never did they give me an urge to hurt anyone in
real life. Play is play, and the wish to hurt real people is not play.
They are separate worlds.
> I am an 18 year old male living in England and it shows just
I am a 60-year-old male living in upstate New York USA and I like GTA,
too.
> how out of touch the so-called -experts- are with what people actually
> think. violence is something everybody, without exception, is exposed
> to. If somebody can not tell the difference between computer generated
> images and real life I pity them, I really do. If I thought Grand
> Theft Auto was a major problem (or any problem at all) I wouldn't play
> it, let alone buy it. I hope some of this gets through."
Well stated. GTA is an escapist fantasy for civilized people. The do-
gooders should leave us alone.
SiriusBlack - 16 Nov 2003 06:38 GMT
> Difenderfer says he's addicted to the game, plays it for hours on end, and
> admits it can mess with your head, "I think you have to have a strong mind to be
> able to play this game and not want to go out and kill people."
What a loser. There's a scientific term for people who can't
distinguish between fantasy and reality..."insane." What a loser that
Duffengoober or whatever his name is. And that Ron Jeremy mustache
wearing sleazeball that runs the column...what can you say about a guy
who writes a column titled "Shame On You." Obviously he screwed up a
lot as a child and young adult, otherwise he might be focusing on more
uplifting aspects of life to write about. Instead here's this guy who
digs for sludge to print and when he can't get anything good, goes
after a Mature Rated video game. Nice friggin' life, I bet his wife
is really happy.
"There's lumps in my mashed potatoes...*SHAME ON YOU* beeitch!! Can't
you do anything right?? Now get the iron so we can press my
mustache."
Loser.
Late.