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Game Forum / Action Games / Grand Theft Auto / July 2008GTA: III, GTA: VC, GTA: SA, GTA: IV...
I *really* didn't want to not like GTA: IV. And actually, I don't- it's a great game. And that's the best I can say for it. Stacked up to *any other* game, and it's tip-top. But against previous GTA's? I'm sorry. I never played GTA before PS2, and I never played GTA PSP, or the LCS port. So based on the PS2 games I've played, IV really sucks. Every GTA game I've played since III, has expanded both the story, environment, weapons, side-missions, vehicles, etc. EVERY GAME has offered more. It culminated in GTA: SA- Not just sections of cities (Los Santos, San Fierro, Las Venturas), but sections of a state (San Andreas). Not just cars, but bicycles, and go-karts and hover craft and jet packs... not to mention PLANES! Well, of course you all know that I could go on and on regarding SA... but IV? Sorry. The game is beautiful, and there's lots to appreciate, but they just took away too much of what we were used to.... I want a GTA: SA port to the PS3 "Buckaroo Banzai" <blisteringlogic@yahoo.com> wroteth: > ... I want a GTA: SA port to the PS3 I seriously doubt that'll ever happen, but I'd buy it in an instant. IMHO, GTA IV is the 2nd best GTA game. Here is my ranking of the GTA games that I've played: (1) GTA: San Andreas (2) GTA IV (3) GTA III (4) GTA VC (5) GTA LCS (6) GTA VCS - this game made me hate Rockstar Leeds With that being said, I don't hold up high hopes for GTA: CW. That doesn't really bother me, since I don't have a DS, but I just don't think Rockstar Leeds should ever be let near another GTA title again. > "Buckaroo Banzai" <blisteringlogic@yahoo.com> wroteth: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (5) GTA LCS > (6) GTA VCS - this game made me hate Rockstar Leeds sucks donkey balls doesn't it? this game prepared me for any disappointment I would feel for GTA IV :O) > With that being said, I don't hold up high hopes for GTA: CW. That > doesn't really bother me, since I don't have a DS, but I just don't > think Rockstar Leeds should ever be let near another GTA title again. I don't own a nintendo and don't like handhelds, so they can do what the hell they want on those, just don't port it to the 360! :O) Recently our xbox san andreas got scratched so I fired up the ps2 version. ARGH! RED ALERT! do NOT return to ps2 version of SA after playing GTA IV. It looks like it has been smeared in mud or something. Hideous, awful. My best game ever now looks sad, tired and like a second rate mess. Vice city stories really really really should never made the bigger machines. It's crap, garbage, sh.t, boring, awful. The best thing about it is the thing where it maps the balloons you popped. I would have liked that one to be carried over, specially for the pigeons. Right, GTA IV... well, I played the first games, I loved them, had an editor for designing my own cars, played them all the time. Driver came along for the playstation and blew them out of the water. GTA 3 felt like a copy to me, but it was a great game but from here on they were all on the same machine, so to speak and were limited by its capabilities but each expanded on the last. Though I am disappointed by GTA IV in some areas I also recognize that it is a new beginning, it's on new machinery and really testing the water. It really is GTA III next gen, and in that way is probably wayyyyyyy better than GTA III, so it works. Our problem is we're comparing it to the last of a generation and the real test will be the next one, which must add some of the cool touches we're waiting for. A big yay for GTA IV, leading the way for the brilliant things to come!  SignaturePaul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> "Buckaroo Banzai" <blisteringlogic@yahoo.com> wroteth: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >> With that being said, I don't hold up high hopes for GTA: CW. I'm ignorant- CW? The independent network that was formerly known as The WB? >> That doesn't really bother me, since I don't have a DS, but I just don't >> think Rockstar Leeds should ever be let near another GTA title again. I know Rockstar... but Leeds? Why wouldn't you want *Rockstar* near another GTA title? > I don't own a nintendo and don't like handhelds, so they can do what > the hell they want on those, just don't port it to the 360! :O)\ no opinion. > Recently our xbox san andreas got scratched so I fired up the ps2 > version. ARGH! RED ALERT! do NOT return to ps2 version of SA after > playing GTA IV. It looks like it has been smeared in mud or something. > Hideous, awful. My best game ever now looks sad, tired and like a > second rate mess. *XBOX*... Ah.... must... fight... fanboy... tendencies.... "It looks like"... that I can deal with... If it plays great, I can forgive the looks... much like chicks... > Vice city stories really really really should never made the bigger > machines. It's crap, garbage, sh.t, boring, awful. The best thing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Right, GTA IV... well, I played the first games, I loved them, had an > editor for designing my own cars, played them all the time. Huh? What is this? > Driver > came along for the playstation and blew them out of the water. GTA 3 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > water. It really is GTA III next gen, and in that way is probably > wayyyyyyy better than GTA III, so it works. I have to humbly disagree. Every GTA game since III has eclipsed the last- until IV. I'm sorry but that's unacceptable. This is, what? Seventh Generation? Ridicoulous media storage? And you can't slap a parachute or plane around Niko? I'm sorry but FAIL. > Our problem is we're > comparing it to the last of a generation and the real test will be the > next one, which must add some of the cool touches we're waiting for. <cough> EXCUSE <cough> > A big yay for GTA IV, leading the way for the brilliant things to > come! A big boo for GTA IV, sacrificing looks for gameplay. (although I love the taxis) > >> "Buckaroo Banzai" <blisteringlogic@yahoo.com> wroteth: > >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Huh? What is this? the first games, the top down ones, you could get these programs which allowed you to edit and design your own cars and put them in the game. Wasn't brilliant, they were very 2d but at the time it was pretty revolutionary. I wish i could recall the name of the thing but it added a new dimension to a game and made it kind of endless really. > > Driver > > came along for the playstation and blew them out of the water. GTA 3 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Generation? Ridicoulous media storage? And you can't slap a parachute or > plane around Niko? I'm sorry but FAIL. It really is breaking new ground. I understand how you feel, I feel that way too, but they're kind of testing the water here. I have one or two games on the 360 which, although they could be cool, have so many glitches it makes them a pain to play. People seem to think that pushing something to its limits is a great thing, I'd rather have something which is worked within the limits and that actually works. > > Our problem is we're > > comparing it to the last of a generation and the real test will be the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > A big boo for GTA IV, sacrificing looks for gameplay. (although I love the > taxis) :O) I do like it when we talk dirty. SignaturePaul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> > Right, GTA IV... well, I played the first games, I loved them, had an >> > editor for designing my own cars, played them all the time. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > revolutionary. I wish i could recall the name of the thing but it > added a new dimension to a game and made it kind of endless really. Ah... I tried the GTA just before London.... top down, didn't really like it. >> > Driver >> > came along for the playstation and blew them out of the water. GTA 3 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > pushing something to its limits is a great thing, I'd rather have > something which is worked within the limits and that actually works. Well, I *would* agree with you, but remember- PS1 gen gaming= top down graphics... PS2 gen gaming= GTAIII- That game also 'tested the waters' but it also blew everything that came before it away. I sincerely don't think it's too much to expect IV to blow SA out of the testing waters.... I'm sorry but I think R* blew it. Mind you I'm not saying that IV isn't a fun game, it is. But it's not worthy to succeed SA. Especially the bikes! >> > Our problem is we're >> > comparing it to the last of a generation and the real test will be the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > :O) I do like it when we talk dirty. LOL! I'm lovin' ya Paul! I wish i could recall the name of the thing but it > > added a new dimension to a game and made it kind of endless really. > > Ah... I tried the GTA just before London.... top down, didn't really like > it. it was definitely something you loved or hated. I had a thing for carmaggedon too > > It really is breaking new ground. I understand how you feel, I feel > > that way too, but they're kind of testing the water here. I have one [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > sorry but I think R* blew it. Mind you I'm not saying that IV isn't a fun > game, it is. But it's not worthy to succeed SA. Especially the bikes! There are really some things they should have just put in for fun. maybe they're sick of being attacked for making violence fun. > >> A big boo for GTA IV, sacrificing looks for gameplay. (although I love > >> the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LOL! I'm lovin' ya Paul! *blush* :O)) SignaturePaul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ "Buckaroo Banzai" <blisteringlogic@yahoo.com> sayethed: > I'm ignorant- CW? The independent network that was formerly known as > The WB? GTA: Chinatown Wars - the new one they're making for the Nintendo DS >>> That doesn't really bother me, since I don't have a DS, but I just >>> don't think Rockstar Leeds should ever be let near another GTA title >>> again. > > I know Rockstar... but Leeds? Why wouldn't you want *Rockstar* near > another GTA title? Rockstar Leeds is a sub(par)sidiary of Rockstar Games. They are the weak link in an otherwise brilliant company. They developed Liberty City Stories, which was quite good. Then they decided to throw all good will to the wind and develop Vice City Stories, the absolute shittiest GTA game ever made. A brilliant soundtrack and a couple of other interesting new features are marred by some of the worst AI and scripted crap that has ever been seen in a 3d GTA game (don't know about the topdowns; never played them). Ever wonder how much fun it would be to be locked into an enclosed area surrounded by respawning enemies that all have accurate long-range auto- aim, who are themselves obscured by lots of trees and bushes, while your own aim won't point at them unless you're standing right next to them or can see them - and if/when you complete that area, you then have to chase and shoot a guy on quad bikes, or else start the whole mission over again? Ever wish enemies would spawn directly in front of your safehouse door, preventing you from leaving? Ever wanted to do tough-as- nails missions in order to save the life of a character that has long ago been revealed to be a worthless piece of back-stabbing sh.t? Play Vice City Stories and wonder no more. > "Buckaroo Banzai" <blisteringlogic@yahoo.com> sayethed: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > ago been revealed to be a worthless piece of back-stabbing sh.t? Play > Vice City Stories and wonder no more. Have you tried Scarface? It has foibles, but in a way it feels like a lost GTA game. I really enjoyed it for a time, filled a gap, so to speak. SignaturePaul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> Ever wonder how much fun it would be to be locked into an enclosed area >> surrounded by respawning enemies that all have accurate long-range auto- [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > lost GTA game. I really enjoyed it for a time, filled a gap, so to > speak. must... not... say it... arrghh! That's what she said! > >> Ever wonder how much fun it would be to be locked into an enclosed area > >> surrounded by respawning enemies that all have accurate long-range auto- [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > must... not... say it... arrghh! That's what she said! :O) SignaturePaul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ After having said hello to one too many "little friends", Paul Heslop <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> yelled out: > Have you tried Scarface? It has foibles, but in a way it feels like a > lost GTA game. I really enjoyed it for a time, filled a gap, so to > speak. Yep. I'm stuck on the mission where you have to escort the brave weakling out of the nightclub. I find the combat mostly to my liking, but I'm not too good at keeping other people alive (those poor henchmen). At least they have a chance, since they're armed. The poor shmuck in the nightclub is your average weak NPC, no weapons or fighting ability. Yet, he still insists on putting himself in harm's way. I wish there were an open-source sandbox game/engine, with minimal coding involved, so I could show people how to make an escort mission. > After having said hello to one too many "little friends", > Paul Heslop <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> yelled out: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > sandbox game/engine, with minimal coding involved, so I could show people > how to make an escort mission. It's a little bastard of a mission for sure. hated it a lot. If i recall rightly it's a almost a case of timing, getting it just right. Try to clear as many from the club area when you go up the stairs from the toilets, then they're not just going to pop up and start plugging him. probably the worst part is after you exit the building, as you still have to get him to the gate while keeping yourself and him alive, once you do get him to the gate just turn and keep shooting, staying between him and them. SignaturePaul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >>> With that being said, I don't hold up high hopes for GTA: CW. > > I'm ignorant- CW? The independent network that was formerly known as The > WB? Chinatown Wars. Announced for Nintendo DS in E3 I believe. Should be out this year. >>> That doesn't really bother me, since I don't have a DS, but I just don't >>> think Rockstar Leeds should ever be let near another GTA title again. > > I know Rockstar... but Leeds? Why wouldn't you want *Rockstar* near > another GTA title? Rockstar Leeds is the 'B' team who developed LCS and VCS. The 'A' team is Rockstar North in Edinburgh. In my opinion, both LCS and VCS are OK. Not great, but OK. Solid GTA entertainment with some gameplay improvements over GTA3 and Vice City. Come to think of it, the games are fine technically, they just didn't have a decent writer, so the main plots and characters in both games are bad, to put it mildly. Especially in VCS. > I *really* didn't want to not like GTA: IV. And actually, I don't- > it's a great game. And that's the best I can say for it. Stacked up > to *any other* game, and it's tip-top. But against previous GTA's? <snip> *shrug* I never really cared for any of that silly crap in San Andreas anyway. So it was big, a big giant area filled with basically nothing didn't make for any more enjoyment. Bikes were a novelty. The jet pack was amusing I suppose. Basically once you finish playing the stories the fun is mostly gone from a game like GTA. Multiplayer is a lot of fun & adds a lot more replay value then gimmicky vehicles IMHO. Despite what you may think there are many people out there who do play multiplayer properly it's not all a bunch of jokers who just want to mess around. I'm not saying you're wrong just putting forward the case for those who find GTA IV to be an extremely enjoyable game that was well crafted. > > I *really* didn't want to not like GTA: IV. And actually, I don't- > > it's a great game. And that's the best I can say for it. Stacked up [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > wrong just putting forward the case for those who find GTA IV to be an > extremely enjoyable game that was well crafted. I just wish that multiplayer was included on the console itself. The only way two family members can play each other is to have two machines, two games and two gold accounts. smacks of money making. SignaturePaul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > I just wish that multiplayer was included on the console itself. The > only way two family members can play each other is to have two > machines, two games and two gold accounts. smacks of money making. That's why my online play is limited to the PS3 version which costs me nothing. I'm not renewing my 360 account until I'm interested in a game with online play for that system again. :) > > I just wish that multiplayer was included on the console itself. The > > only way two family members can play each other is to have two [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > nothing. I'm not renewing my 360 account until I'm interested in a game > with online play for that system again. :) I'm not a big fan of online play. More so when rewards are tallied to it as it kind of forces you to participate. I have already got the gold account on the 360 so it's there if I need it, but mainly I use it for 'muling' passing vehicles between accounts on driving games etc. I did try OLP on GTAIV but it isn't my scene really. with family you know what you're doing, you know who you're dealing with and your own in jokes are half of the fun. 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