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snark - 24 Oct 2007 17:24 GMT
Did Rockstar really object to the new Simpsons game? What a bunch of
jerks! As a GTA fan, I thought the Simpsons game trailer with the GTS
stuff was awesome. Take a chill pill, Take Two!

Phil Hibbs.
camgere@earthlink.net - 29 Oct 2007 20:57 GMT
> Did Rockstar really object to the new Simpsons game? What a bunch of
> jerks! As a GTA fan, I thought the Simpsons game trailer with the GTS
> stuff was awesome. Take a chill pill, Take Two!
>
> Phil Hibbs.
It looks like the Simpsons game is due on schedule October 30, 2007.
Apparently there has been some renaming to avoid offending Rockstar/
EA.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7702&Itemid=9

This is a certain symptom of the disease of a "professionally managed"
software company.  They foam at the mouth at the thought of anyone
making a dime on their intellectual property or branding.  Gee, if I
remember correctly Grand Theft Auto:Vice City was chock full of
parodies and ripoffs.  Oh, those guys were supposed to be "good
sports".

Rockstar has much bigger fish to fry.  I played GTA:VC to 100%
completion a dozen times (OK I had a made a save game to start from).
I never got half way though San Andreas.  This did have something to
do with the fact that my video card had an MTBF of 35 minutes.  It
would go purple and lock up a minute later.  But even more than that
SA wasn't fun to play.  I would try to get the Stunt Jumps out of the
way and fail 25 times in a row on the same jump.  This is fun?  What
is fun about grafitti tags, horseshoes, photos and oysters?  It isn't
It does make it hard to complete, which is thought to be very
desirable. ( I would actually quit the game and study Discete Fourier
Transforms, which is actually enjoyable.  Without Signals and Systems
there is no digital audio or digital video.)  They are so worried
about be slammed for being easy that they don't worry about being
fun.  They should make their games fun and stop fuming over
parodies.
Dynamic Forward - 30 Oct 2007 00:26 GMT
> Rockstar has much bigger fish to fry.  I played GTA:VC to 100%
> completion a dozen times (OK I had a made a save game to start from).
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> fun.  They should make their games fun and stop fuming over
> parodies.

I have never finished GTA:SA either and I never bother with the
collectables. I have never got to 100% on any GTA games because it doesn't
interest me, I like the storyline stuff but when that gets dull so does the
game. I put the game down for about a year due to the flying missions and I
haven't played since early this year due to one of the later missions that I
tried once and could not be bothered to do again. I love GTA but I think
they overreached with SA. It's one of the reasons I am not going to get
GTA4. I think going back to the same city doesn't provide enough differences
to make it worthwhile especially as I would have to get a new console. If
they had gone to Europe not only would the game have been more interesting
to explore (how many more American stereotypes are left to lampoon?) but it
would have made the whole series seem fresh again. I hope I will get the
chance to play GTA4 but I certainly won't be buying it before bargain bin
time.

Dy
Dynamic Forward - 30 Oct 2007 00:27 GMT
> I have never finished GTA:SA either and I never bother with the
> collectables. I have never got to 100% on any GTA games because it doesn't
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>
> Dy

Oh and by the way the Simpsons used to be one of the funniest shows on TV
but has been crap for years and the film was a complete waste of time and
effort.

Dy
Chris F - 30 Oct 2007 00:37 GMT
>> I have never finished GTA:SA either and I never bother with the
>> collectables. I have never got to 100% on any GTA games because it doesn't
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>
>Dy

i disagree, i liked the film and thought it worked well. certainly did
better in the move to the big screen than south park did, imo.

i do agree on the tv series though, it's been a bit stale for about
4/5 years now, and seemed to peak at around series 7/8 for me.

there's still the occasional good episode, but the consistency isn't
there any more.

anyways, back on topic: bit picky of rockstar getting narky about the
use of grand theft scratchy.

they certainly didnt seem to object to them having a "Grand Theft
Walrus" arcade cab in the movie :)

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Rob White - 30 Oct 2007 08:44 GMT
> It's one of the reasons I am not going to get GTA4. I think going
> back to the same city doesn't provide enough differences  to make it
> worthwhile especially as I would have to get a new console.  

Please tell me your joking.

GTAIV is going to be a very different game compared to the "3" series,
plus there are/going to be more than enough good games to justify the
expense of the system.

GTAIV is billed for a March or April release next year, by which time
I'm sure the PS3 would have come down in price anyway.

Cheers,
Rob
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Chris F - 30 Oct 2007 12:48 GMT
>> It's one of the reasons I am not going to get GTA4. I think going
>> back to the same city doesn't provide enough differences  to make it
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>GTAIV is billed for a March or April release next year, by which time
>I'm sure the PS3 would have come down in price anyway.

as will the 360, no doubt, which is the version with all the extra
episodic content planned for it.
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G Hardy - 30 Oct 2007 13:15 GMT
> ...I love GTA but I think they overreached with SA. It's one of the
> reasons I am not going to get GTA4. I think going back to the same city
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> stereotypes are left to lampoon?) but it would have made the whole series
> seem fresh again.

So you want it to be "fresh" without them over-reaching themselves. Tough
call - I'd say that there are at least as many people with the opinion that
having the same size/style/gameplay, just with different buildings and
different accents is not "fresh".

I liked the size of SA and the new abilities (flying, swimming). The horror
with which everyone reacted 3½ years ago when it was announced that SA was
90s rap gangsta theme.
Dynamic Forward - 30 Oct 2007 23:26 GMT
>> ...I love GTA but I think they overreached with SA. It's one of the
>> reasons I am not going to get GTA4. I think going back to the same city
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> horror with which everyone reacted 3½ years ago when it was announced that
> SA was 90s rap gangsta theme.

I want it to be fresh (who doesn't) so why have they cut off an avenue of
adventure by setting it in Liberty City yet again? I am not a big game
player, I dont like Halo etc all those games that 'gamers' are supposed to
like. I rarely play on my PS2 and I dont see myself using a 360 or a PS3
enough to justify paying anything for one. It's the same reason I don't want
a Wii - I just wouldnt use it.
 I agree swimming was long overdue in SA, the flying was fun when not
involved in a mission. I got bored with it a couple of times and I am sure I
will pick it up again but I just dont care that much anymore. I want GTA 4
to be great but I just dont think it will be worth it from my point of view.
I dont want a GTASA clone set in Europe, I want an interesting game and the
words Liberty City really don't help towards that goal

Dy
Chris F - 31 Oct 2007 02:54 GMT
>>> ...I love GTA but I think they overreached with SA. It's one of the
>>> reasons I am not going to get GTA4. I think going back to the same city
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>I dont want a GTASA clone set in Europe, I want an interesting game and the
>words Liberty City really don't help towards that goal

the thing you seem to be missing though, is that while it is, in name,
liberty city, you can bet all your money it will bear f.ck all
resemblance to that of GTA3.

even the trailers show that it will be sod all like previous versions,
so i struggle to see why you're so concerned with it being set in
liberty city...
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Dynamic Forward - 31 Oct 2007 14:37 GMT
> the thing you seem to be missing though, is that while it is, in name,
> liberty city, you can bet all your money it will bear f.ck all
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> so i struggle to see why you're so concerned with it being set in
> liberty city...

There are two things - 1 is the mental thing. It is Liberty City again which
gives me no enthusiasm about the game. 2 it will have similar areas, it has
to. The main area from GTA 3 (the bit you start in) will be there as will
other areas we all know and have got bored of. If they have changed it
completely so there is no resemblence from the old LC they are fools to call
it that. Basically I won't be getting the game because I think the series
has gone stale. Such a shame

Dy
Chris F - 31 Oct 2007 15:23 GMT
>> the thing you seem to be missing though, is that while it is, in name,
>> liberty city, you can bet all your money it will bear f.ck all
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>it that. Basically I won't be getting the game because I think the series
>has gone stale. Such a shame

why are they fools to call it that?

the liberty city of gta3, well the layout of it at least, had no
relation to the layout of the original liberty city in the first gta.

it's just a name.

if they had called it something else, would you be complaining? the
city in GTA4 is supposedly huge, and far bigger than the city in GTA3.

i think you need to reboot your brain, it appears to be stuck ;)
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Dynamic Forward - 01 Nov 2007 19:35 GMT
> why are they fools to call it that?
>
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>
> i think you need to reboot your brain, it appears to be stuck ;)

GTA has moved on from the original 2d beginnings. I loved those games but
the way it looks to me is Rockstar are treating 3 as the first of the
'current' games. The storylines interlink with each other but not with the
first two (except Claude Speed) which makes GTA 3 more valid than GTA1 to
GTA4. If it is such a different city, if everything is different, if nothing
is at all the same why call it the same? Why not come up with another name
and make it more Chicago like or some other large American city? If they
have used the same city it's a step back, if they have used the same name
but a different city it's silly. Either way I won't be getting it. I hope
whomever decides to enjoys it but I will not be one of them.

Dy

P.S. why have they got rid of flyable planes? I much preferred them to
helicopters
snark - 09 Nov 2007 12:36 GMT
> Rockstar are treating 3 as the first of the
> 'current' games. The storylines interlink with each other but not with the
> first two (except Claude Speed) which makes GTA 3 more valid than GTA1 to
> GTA4. If it is such a different city, if everything is different, if nothing
> is at all the same why call it the same? Why not come up with another name

I think they would be wise to treat 4 as a totally new game with no
constraints carried forward from previous games. You see how silly
Star Trek and DC and Marvel Comics fans get when they try to maintain
story continuity - GTA3 was a new game with a new setting, I say let
them do the same with GTA4.

> P.S. why have they got rid of flyable planes? I much preferred them to
> helicopters

Are they? No planes in GTA4? I haven't heard that, that's a shame if
it's true.

Phil Hibbs.
Gumby - 09 Nov 2007 16:38 GMT
>> P.S. why have they got rid of flyable planes? I much preferred them to
>> helicopters
>
> Are they? No planes in GTA4? I haven't heard that, that's a shame if
> it's true.

First, it's a single city so no real justification for it.  More
importantly, though, is that the whiners and trigger-happy lawyers like
"Whacko Jacko" Thompson would be screaming about how dare they defile
the memory of 9/11 by letting impressionable kids fly planes around New
York City and, of course, into buildings...

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snark - 01 Nov 2007 13:31 GMT
Dynamic Forward:
> Basically I won't be getting the game because I think the series
> has gone stale. Such a shame

I kind of agree that GTA:SA was only an incremental improvement on
previous versions, being the third in the GTA3 series. The game is in
need of a complete overhaul, and I think that's what it's getting in
GTA4. Wait and see. I'm unlikely to get it, however, as I don't want
either a PS3 or a 360, but if it comes out on the PC then I'll get it.
I should have a dual-core laptop with two graphics cards by then.

Phil.
camgere@earthlink.net - 04 Nov 2007 22:55 GMT
> Did Rockstar really object to the new Simpsons game? What a bunch of
> jerks! As a GTA fan, I thought the Simpsons game trailer with the GTS
> stuff was awesome. Take a chill pill, Take Two!
>
> Phil Hibbs.

I just started "The Simpsons" on PS3.  Yes, Marge does object to Bart
getting "Grand Theft Scratchy".  I'll let you know if I get to
anything resembling GTA.

On another note I've actually played MetalStorm on the PS3 a lot
more.  Monument Valley looks awesome at 1080P.  Remember all those
John Wayne/John Ford westerns running around the desert?  ElectraGlide
in Blue was also filmed there.  After the race you get a replay from
many different angles.  It's hard to tell that it's even you, but I'm
pretty sure it is.  Every store ought to have a bunch of these races
running the end loop over and over.  They are impressive.

Take the inside line at the apex of the turn.   The mud usually found
there really helps you turn.  You get extra traction on the throttle.
Knobbies digging in?  Wierdly, race track pavement lines work well,
including braking upto the corner turn in.

It's easy to get distracted riding the green dirt bike when you fall
and realize you've got great looking boobs.
Rob White - 05 Nov 2007 08:03 GMT
> > Did Rockstar really object to the new Simpsons game? What a bunch of
> > jerks! As a GTA fan, I thought the Simpsons game trailer with the GTS
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> getting "Grand Theft Scratchy".  I'll let you know if I get to
> anything resembling GTA.

I think the reason that Take Two object is that the game is using the
GTA franchise to advertise their own game. The last five 3D GTA games
(GTAIII, VC, SA, LCS and VCS) have shipped over 65million copies, and
counting.

It's popularity should not be used for free advertising by another
company. Any gamer will obviously draw comparisons to GTA if it uses
something thats identically named.

The film parody ("Grand Theft Walrus") was funny enough, but I didn't
think they'd get away with it for a licensed game.

Cheers,
Rob
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