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Game Forum / Action Games / Grand Theft Auto / February 2007SA: Guilt and consequences of cheats
I remember seeing messages in the GTA3 days where people turned on some cheat like "all peds attack you", then saved the game, only to reveal the peds still attack you after reloading said saved game. This caused me concern. The story: I had enough $ to give Zero's mission "air raid" another try. It was eating me up that I couldn't pass a freakin' shooting gallery mission. I tried 2 times, and both times I failed. I even tapped(instead of holding down) the gun for better accuracy. I'd like to see you try to line up a 2x2 pixel gunsight with 2x2 pixel sprites and expect a hit. Either way, I tried the "slow down time" cheat Tried it again, and failed. After the mission, time returned back to normal. I fired up the cheat again, tried the mission again, and passed. Okay, so how do I undo the slow time down cheat? I'll try the "speed up game speed' cheat. No luck. Well, after a few tries I stil was in slo-mo. I saved the game(got the warning) to a separate slot, reloaded, and time was back to normal. Is my game save still okay? Sure, I have the scarlet letter of "9" for "cheats used", but everything seems to be okay for overall game speed. I feel guilty having to use a cheat to pass the air raid mission, but that mission was bugging the crap out of me. If you finally got Time back to normal, you're probably okay. The consequences of the use of cheats is a question. I don't know if we have the definitive answer. Here are my operating principles: (1) Some cheats survive a Reload from a Save. That's because the flags that set them are stored in RAM and don't get zeroed when you load a Save where they were off. They don't get zeroed again until you reboot the system (PS2, here). Moral of the story: if you're going to use cheats, play a "cheating session", don't save, and reboot the system afterwards. (2) There has always been the rumor that if you cheat and save, some aspect of the game gets limited (you can't reach 100%, or something similar). While that's entirely bogus -- as far as I know -- I don't tempt the Fates. Reserve the cheats for "just playing around". DON'T save afterwards. DO reboot afterwards. And, yes, Air Raid just may be the most horrible mission of the game (except for people like me who just can't do the Life's a Beach dance). --cleve >I remember seeing messages in the GTA3 days where people turned on > some cheat like "all peds attack you", then saved the game, only to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I feel guilty having to use a cheat to pass the air raid mission, but > that mission was bugging the crap out of me. > If you finally got Time back to normal, you're probably okay. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > system (PS2, here). Moral of the story: if you're going to use cheats, play > a "cheating session", don't save, and reboot the system afterwards. Ah, I forgot about the whole resident RAM for reboots, and not just for game saves. Typically what I do is after I do major game progress, I save, then I do the cheat code fun, then just shut off the console. I figured that the "wanted level" flag is never saved in game saves, since if you save with a x-wanted star level & save, wanted level goes away. So if you aren't on a mission, you can use your save points any time as a crude pay&spray(just no vehicles). > (2) There has always been the rumor that if you cheat and save, some aspect > of the game gets limited (you can't reach 100%, or something similar). > While that's entirely bogus -- as far as I know -- I don't tempt the Fates. I was under the impression your "ranking" goes down a huge notch. Mine's not in the negative. > Reserve the cheats for "just playing around". DON'T save afterwards. DO > reboot afterwards. I always abide by that, but that mission just got to me. > And, yes, Air Raid just may be the most horrible mission of the game (except > for people like me who just can't do the Life's a Beach dance). You're not alone. I had to have a friend to the DDR part of "life's a beach" since I'm just never good at those "hit the button at the right time" games. I had a friend do it, then I did the van-stealing work afterward. Heck, I even needed help on Just Business. The same friend figured out the hitbox for the bikers enough to blast 'em easily into oblivion during that crazy rollercoaster ride of a mission. > > (2) There has always been the rumor that if you cheat and save, some aspect > > of the game gets limited (you can't reach 100%, or something similar). > > While that's entirely bogus -- as far as I know -- I don't tempt the Fates. > > I was under the impression your "ranking" goes down a huge notch. > Mine's not in the negative. It did used to but I'm not sure in SA. If you look in the stats, in the last section I think, it says 'times cheated' and it does warn you that if you save with some cheats it may do something to the game. The two I have used have been spawning a tank for vigilante and a jetpack to get all the collecting out of the way early in the game. I think that's my lot. and there they sit in my stats as I keep that particular saved game as a starter point for future games. I would say that one or two cheats is okay if there's something you hate or just can't do, but just for your own sake if not the game then I'd rather not cheat at all.  SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> And, yes, Air Raid just may be the most horrible mission of the game >> (except [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > friend do it, then I > did the van-stealing work afterward. Exactly what I did -- only it was my brother who I enlisted. --cleve > If you finally got Time back to normal, you're probably okay. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > --cleve I've heard, probably in here, that if you cheat a lot of times the bit where you have to save the old drunk when he jumps from the roof is hard/impossible as he jumps too quickly. It does mark how many times you cheat, somewhere in the stats, and I am unsure whether the first time I used a cheat (for the vigilante) it didn't cause one of my garages to act up and only let me park three vehicles instead of four. I do know that next time round I used the same cheat and was able to park four cars, so likely it was a glitch. It's so funny getting used to the buttons on the xbox version v the ps2 and one of the hardest things was the life's a beach, it was like going back to the first tries at the ps2 version. I have a feeling that points needed are lower on the xbox, I think it's 2000 and something but on ps2 was 3000 and something? SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > I've heard, probably in here, that if you cheat a lot of times the bit > where you have to save the old drunk when he jumps from the roof is > hard/impossible as he jumps too quickly. not true. I cheat like a trooper to get more guns etc and I managed that mission on the second go (first time wasn't sure what margin for error I had and I was tired!) Dy > > I've heard, probably in here, that if you cheat a lot of times the bit > > where you have to save the old drunk when he jumps from the roof is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dy Well, I don't know how many times you are supposed to have to cheat and certainly haven't gone anywhere near enough myself so I'll believe you. Just out of curiosity, how long would you say he took before he jumped? SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> > I've heard, probably in here, that if you cheat a lot of times the bit >> > where you have to save the old drunk when he jumps from the roof is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > you. Just out of curiosity, how long would you say he took before he > jumped? I've read somewhere that this glitch occurs if you have activated the "Pedestrians Riot" cheat, rather than when you reach a certain number of cheats used. It seems more likely to me that the glitch would be the unforseen consequence of using a cheat code rather than something that Rockstar deliberately put into the game to punish a player for cheating a certain number of times. Rob > It seems more likely to me that the glitch would be the unforseen > consequence of using a cheat code rather than something that Rockstar > deliberately put into the game to punish a player for cheating a > certain number of times. If yer worried about yer cheat count, get the GTA-SA trainer and clear yer cheat count. :) SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > >> > I've heard, probably in here, that if you cheat a lot of times the bit > >> > where you have to save the old drunk when he jumps from the roof is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "Pedestrians Riot" cheat, rather than when you reach a certain number of > cheats used. ah, no danger of that then, haven't done that since vice city, I think >> It seems more likely to me that the glitch would be the unforseen > consequence of using a cheat code rather than something that Rockstar > deliberately put into the game to punish a player for cheating a certain > number of times. > > Rob Yeah, I'd expect them to mark it, which they do, but maybe they just put the warning there because they just don't really know what will happen, rather like that three car garage thing. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ I did lose variable weather in SA after using a theme cheat (carnival town) and saving in order to get a certain vehicle. Had to go back to an old save. No biggy, since I wasn't doing the full main mission, just min-missions, exploring and collecting vehicles. > I did lose variable weather in SA after using a theme cheat (carnival > town) and saving in order to get a certain vehicle. Had to go back to > an old save. No biggy, since I wasn't doing the full main mission, > just min-missions, exploring and collecting vehicles. yes, it seems to be glitches like this, but only someone who cheats a hell of a lot can really tell us if there are problems, and maybe even then it might depend on which platform the game is played. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> I did lose variable weather in SA after using a theme cheat (carnival >> town) and saving in order to get a certain vehicle. Had to go back to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >hell of a lot can really tell us if there are problems, and maybe even >then it might depend on which platform the game is played. I usually don't save after cheating, but I wanted a Tug in my garage and didn't know about the ones at the airport, which I should add, I got more satisfaction out of stealing one of those (once I learned where they were legitimately) than I did stealing the one from a clwon after using the carnival town cheat. The cheat I tend to use most is the no cops cheat, which I use when I'm in a destructive mood and don't want to be chased by cops as I am blowing things up. :) > >> I did lose variable weather in SA after using a theme cheat (carnival > >> town) and saving in order to get a certain vehicle. Had to go back to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I'm in a destructive mood and don't want to be chased by cops as I am > blowing things up. :) :O) I am becoming more crazy, so to speak, now I've played the game for a long time. But I use cheats as little as possible. On the ps2 the vigilante mission could be solved by a glitch, entering a fast food restaurant for a while gives you the capture then you go back to your cop vehicle and back to the restaurant. As I hate the vigilante mission it was great, but it doesn't work on the xbox so I had to spawn a tank to make sure I got the mission done and dusted. Then a jetpack to do the horseshoes before the third island was open. otherwise it's head on, right down to taking 50 snapshots under heavy fire with five stars. Now I just love ramping up the stars and having heavy shootouts. Problem is I often jump from moving vehicles and lately I've been getting trapped under the very car I've jumped from! SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > I did lose variable weather in SA after using a theme cheat (carnival > town) and saving in order to get a certain vehicle. Had to go back to > an old save. No biggy, since I wasn't doing the full main mission, > just min-missions, exploring and collecting vehicles. The weather cheats can be a mixed bag, as some save and some don't. I've heard the one that freezes the clock at 21:00 (So R* could do the cool orange preview shots) gives people problems. The 'Life's a beach' code is good - lovely weather and lot's of ladies in bikinis for me to kill. Now, where'd I put that shrink's number.... Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > Well, I don't know how many times you are supposed to have to cheat > and certainly haven't gone anywhere near enough myself so I'll believe > you. Just out of curiosity, how long would you say he took before he > jumped? I can't remember, it's been so long since I did that mission. I've kinda given up on SA now because I just can't beat those flying missions. No matter what tactic I try I can't even do the first one, never seen the others! I tried over and over and over and over and it wouldn't come so I don't play anymore Dy > > Well, I don't know how many times you are supposed to have to cheat > > and certainly haven't gone anywhere near enough myself so I'll believe [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dy you mean after the flight school? The first is awkward but much to do with being gentle, believe it or not. Once you get used to it you can give it quite a bit of speed etc but at first it really is about position and not panicking, staying close to the ground but if you're too high just slowly gluide down rather than panic pushing. It isn't easy, keeping low enough is always a danger and even after multiple playthroughs I still occasionally screw it up. worst part if trees popping up from nowhere! If you mean the actual flight school itself then you do have my sympathy, I still really hate virtually every aspect of it. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > you mean after the flight school? The first is awkward but much to do > with being gentle, believe it or not. Once you get used to it you can [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you mean the actual flight school itself then you do have my > sympathy, I still really hate virtually every aspect of it. I can do the flight school easy, it's the missions I just can't do Dy > > you mean after the flight school? The first is awkward but much to do > > with being gentle, believe it or not. Once you get used to it you can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dy Well, i assume you mean just the first, as you won;t have been able to do the others without it. I used to fly over to the water which runs down through the dam, over the airport in SF, left down that big road (can be awkward here) and turn right after the scrapyard (awkward again with trees etc) watch for trees and hit the marker, then as a learner I always went round the left side of SF, right up to the big bridge, then cut across to the landing strip. None of it is exactly easy but with a bit of patience it is do-able. I now tend to fly down next to the secret base and come back up that way too, but that's just because I'm getting used to where I can go or not. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > I used to fly over to the water which runs > down through the dam, over the airport in SF, left down that big road [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > next to the secret base and come back up that way too, but that's just > because I'm getting used to where I can go or not. Just fly over the ocean for 95% of the trip. Go north to the ocean, then follow the coast CCW around the World. Go over land briefly to hit the target, then take the reverse trip over the ocean, only coming inland to land at Verdant Meadows again. Fairly easy (even boring, for most of the trip). --cleve > > I used to fly over to the water which runs > > down through the dam, over the airport in SF, left down that big road [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --cleve yeah, that's like my old return trip in both directions. i wonder sometimes if people feel harassed by the timer, which I never even seem to notice. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >If you mean the actual flight school itself then you do have my >sympathy, I still really hate virtually every aspect of it. The flight school is the reason that I will not buy any other GTA games. They should provide some work around for the missions/features that are nearly impossible for some players. I play these games to have fun. It is not fun when I get hung up and cannot complete a game (with or without cheats). > >If you mean the actual flight school itself then you do have my > >sympathy, I still really hate virtually every aspect of it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have fun. It is not fun when I get hung up and cannot complete a game > (with or without cheats). I agree that it is not nice to get stuck behind something. I don't mind using a walkthrough and at first I got my son to do the dance missions but have become used to them. I can only say I am so glad Zero's missions are not a needed part of the game. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > I agree that it is not nice to get stuck behind something. I don't > mind using a walkthrough and at first I got my son to do the dance > missions but have become used to them. I can only say I am so glad > Zero's missions are not a needed part of the game. I'm the opposite: One of the reasons I like difficult games is the sense of satisfaction I get when completing something particularly tricky. I can do Zero's missions without much trouble, which is odd as the first I completed them it took about fifty odd tries ("Supply Lines" took me forever). Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > > I agree that it is not nice to get stuck behind something. I don't > > mind using a walkthrough and at first I got my son to do the dance [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. I've only done one, the first, on the xbox but as there were other missions i couldn't do very well or at all on the ps2 which I have done on the xbox, and vice versa, I'll have to say it depends on a number of factors. I even play on a 14" screen, which obviously makes targeting harder. As has been mentioned one of the last things you want on the xbox is to have to shoot at something on your left from a vehicle, due to the stupid buttons, so any mission that involves vehicular shooting means me trying hard to keep the target on the right side of my car, where on the ps2 I wouldn't care. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > The flight school is the reason that I will not buy any other GTA > games. They should provide some work around for the missions/features > that are nearly impossible for some players. I play these games to > have fun. It is not fun when I get hung up and cannot complete a game > (with or without cheats). I'm not going to kid myself by saying I won't buy the next GTA game - I know I will - but if it has something like the flight missions where you can't get to an ending of the game without beating it I'm gone. Multiple endings has to be the way to go because I don't like giving up on the game but I have to or I will damage myself, my console or my tv if i try anymore Dy >> The flight school is the reason that I will not buy any other GTA >> games. They should provide some work around for the missions/features [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > has to be the way to go because I don't like giving up on the game but I > have to or I will damage myself, my console or my tv if i try anymore At least The Driver in GTA VC wasn't required provided you got some other asset properties. It took me ages to do most of the flying missions but I eventually got through them. One idea I had for extending the games would be to have stuff *after* the final mission. It occurred to me that in all the games everyone (apart from girlfriends in SA) disappears. You can do Beefy Bulldog in SA but that's about it. In Bully/CCE you can run errands for people, and I was thinking it might be an idea to have the same in the main GTA games, but with no limit on how many times each one could be done. Walk up to, say, Woozie in the casino and be given a random mission that might involve getting rid of some cheats or pinching something from another casino, or get a call from Mike Toreno and take a photo of some spies. In VC you could have something like getting rid of somone who's interfering with your taxi firm, or kind of a mini pimping mission involving Candy Suxxx. mh. Signaturehttp://www.nukesoft.co.uk http://personal.nukesoft.co.uk From address is a blackhole. Reply-to address is valid. > At least The Driver in GTA VC wasn't required provided you got some other > asset properties. It's not? You have to enlist Hilary as the driver for the bank job, and that's the only way to do it, as far as I know. Can you play through to the finale without doing the bank job? I don't remember. --cleve > I feel guilty having to use a cheat to pass the air raid mission, but > that mission was bugging the crap out of me. I'm not sure who actually manufactured this myth, but it's not true. I've got quite a few saves on all the GTA games, and none of them have affected gameplay. Mind you, this is after 100% completion but I doubt it matters. Some cheats can't be turned off, most notably the "peds riot" and "all pink/black cars", but it shouldn't affect your save state or anything. Plus: Shame on you! Cheating! ;o) Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. I realized that "Supply Lines" was just as difficult of a mission, if not harder. Trying to go backwards taxiing does not conserve fuel enough. That, and my plane got shot to shreds. I decided that Zero's missions weren't worth my time & cheat stigma, so I've gone back to another save. Blah! Finding jumps all around the map is fun though! only thing i hate is that they have the audacity to list the number of times that you've cheated.....i have over 1100 to date. > only thing i hate is that they have the audacity to list the number of > times that you've cheated.....i have over 1100 to date. :O) the swines! SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > only thing i hate is that they have the audacity to list the number of > times that you've cheated.....i have over 1100 to date. Bloody hell! For fun games I rarely save unless I'm getting something hard to get, like the hidden San Fierro tattoos. Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > > only thing i hate is that they have the audacity to list the number of > > times that you've cheated.....i have over 1100 to date. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > For fun games I rarely save unless I'm getting something hard to get, > like the hidden San Fierro tattoos. now I am interested...the what? SignaturePaul (Please dont take a picture) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > > For fun games I rarely save unless I'm getting something hard to get, > > like the hidden San Fierro tattoos. > > > now I am interested...the what? Y'know when you go in to the tattoo hop in San Fierro and it has the same designs as Los Santos? There was originally another seperate interior which had different designs, but R* either decided to leave it out or were forced to. Las Venturas got it's own one though. The interior can be found by using the gym glitch to explore the other interiors, I can't remember exactly where it is, but it's easy to get to; it's in the same batch of interiors as the gym is. Also there is the unused Rusty Brown's donuts outlet too. One of the reasons for it's omission is that some of the designs feature cannabis leaves. I can see the ESRB people now: 1: OK, guns, violence, swearing, racial slurs, decapitations with a samurai sword, condoning gang behaviour, check. 2: Hang on! There's a tattoo of a cannabis leaf here! 1: We can't have R* promoting drug use now, can we? If you want some in-depth instructions I'm sure I can find them (With a map and everything). How are your jetpack skills Paul? Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > > > For fun games I rarely save unless I'm getting something hard to get, > > > like the hidden San Fierro tattoos. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. Er, not that good, but I think I did one of these hidden interiors just once to see what the fuss was. if the instructions aren't too complex I'll have a go though, but if you can't find them that's fine :O) SignaturePaul (Please dont take a picture) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > Er, not that good, but I think I did one of these hidden interiors > just once to see what the fuss was. if the instructions aren't too > complex I'll have a go though, but if you can't find them that's fine > :O) There's a great site here: www.gtacentral.com/carpetdweller/hiddeninnis.html Which has a lot of information on the hidden interiors plus detailed (And numbered) maps. Also worth a read is the info on GTAIII and VC's interiors. It really does give you a good idea of just what Rockstar developed to advance the technical points of subsequent games. Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > > Er, not that good, but I think I did one of these hidden interiors > > just once to see what the fuss was. if the instructions aren't too [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. thanks Rob, I'll take a look when I've had a kip :O) SignaturePaul (Please dont take a picture) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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