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Game Forum / Action Games / Grand Theft Auto / November 2006Me, again
The ancient rookie of the group. So I let frustration get the best of me and I put down GTA 3 for the past 2 days. Failing those missions and having to do them over and over again from the beginning is too much. Maybe I'll get back to it today. You all seem so willing to help, I will pose this question here without the fear of being flamed for not Googling it first. :) I think part of my difficulty may be due to the controller situation with the PC. I am now considering the purchase of a game console. I know nothing of them except what I hear in passing on TV or internet. To prove how out of touch I am, I have a Sega Genesis stashed away somewhere...and I received that used one as a gift years after the fact! Anyway, I'm looking for recommendations on a gently used game system. What's recommended...namely for GTA games? Is eBay a good place to shop for these?? Anything to watch out for? I've heard of Playstation and X Box in recent years. I figure there is some new spectacular system coming out for Christmas, but I'm not "that" into it to make that kind of investment. Please discuss and recommend if you're so inclined. Thanks!!! > The ancient rookie of the group. It's always interesting to be playing PGR2 on Xbox live, and occasionally when the "where are you" and "how old are you" questions come up, I'm usually 2-3x as old as the other people (at 43). Now that's a good way to feel ancient! > I think part of my difficulty may be due to the controller situation > with the PC. I am now considering the purchase of a game console. I > know nothing of them except what I hear in passing on TV or internet. > To prove how out of touch I am, I have a Sega Genesis stashed away > somewhere...and I received that used one as a gift years after the fact! To play GTA, you'll need either a Playstation 2 or an Xbox. The game came out originally on the PS2, but was ported to the Xbox some time later. But I don't think you need to go to such an extreme. I don't play GTA on a PC, so I imagine the PC players can chime in with more relevant information, but you can simply buy a gamepad for your PC, and play GTA with the same button layout as on a PS2 (much cheaper and easier, I would think). > It's always interesting to be playing PGR2 on Xbox live, and > occasionally when the "where are you" and "how old are you" questions > come up, I'm usually 2-3x as old as the other people (at 43). Now > that's a good way to feel ancient! You got me beat! I'm 36. I maybe unjustly assume most people here are kids...teens and 20's. My BF is 51 and still enjoys the games, but I think we're the minority. > To play GTA, you'll need either a Playstation 2 or an Xbox. The game > came out originally on the PS2, but was ported to the Xbox some time [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > play GTA with the same button layout as on a PS2 (much cheaper and > easier, I would think). So that narrows it down, then. I guess I'd like opinions on what to buy...Playstation or Xbox used. I have a feeling that could be a can of worms, as I'm sure people are passionate about one or the other. But I'm open to any thoughts. I have a gamepad, but I'm still finding it a pain in the a.s because you still need to use the keyboard. Due to my inexperience and lack of game organization, I seem to need the gamepad, mouse, AND keyboard to operate the game. Not fun. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. The younger mind has a better grasp on these things I think. I guess my point is, I'd like to streamline things and play the game the way it was meant to be played...NOT on a PC. > I have a gamepad, but I'm still finding it a pain in the a.s because you > still need to use the keyboard. Due to my inexperience and lack of game > organization, I seem to need the gamepad, mouse, AND keyboard to operate > the game. Not fun. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. Well, I'm your age an I find using a gamepad, mouse and keyboard is the best way to play GTA games on a PC. You use the mouse and keyboard when on foot and the gamepad when driving. However, this is for the later GTA games, Vice City and San Andreas. As I recall, GTA3 was pretty bad on a PC, so there may not be any good way to play it on a PC. Quite fun on the PS2 as I've found recently. I actually got a Playstation 2 for GTA San Andreas, since I didn't want to wait for the release and then got GTA3 for it too since the PC version was so lousy. > The younger mind has a better grasp on these things I think. I guess > my point is, I'd like to streamline things and play the game the way > it was meant to be played...NOT on a PC. Well, if you want console recommendations, you're in the right place. For example, I wouldn't get a used Xbox, since new ones are often on sale. I think the lowest price I've seen around here is 69 euros. I suppose Playstation 2 prices will similarly drop when Playstation 3 is released in a few weeks. > Well, if you want console recommendations, you're in the right place. > For example, I wouldn't get a used Xbox, since new ones are often on > sale. I think the lowest price I've seen around here is 69 euros. I > suppose Playstation 2 prices will similarly drop when Playstation 3 is > released in a few weeks. Good point. Looks like I should wait until the 17th and see if the PS2 prices go down. But I can't believe they'd go much lower than the $129.95 I've been finding online. I think I'm going to go that route. Then I can remove games from my PC and free up lots of space there. During research, I see that there is a plethora of controllers available as well. Oh my. I will want to get a second one in case two of us want to compete. Does this PS2 easily hook up to any fairly modern TV purchased within the past 3 years?? Again...I'm from the Atari 2600/Sega Genesis generation. Forgive my ignorance. Wow!! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw what the PS3 will be retailing for!! It costs more than my first car did!! I seem to recall Xbox being $199 when it came out???? A bargain compared to PS3. Many a family will be going broke this Christmas! :) Thanks everyone for your opinions. > > Well, if you want console recommendations, you're in the right place. > > For example, I wouldn't get a used Xbox, since new ones are often on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > as well. Oh my. I will want to get a second one in case two of us want > to compete. I wouldn't recommend anything but the true PS2 controllers. Someone else might have had more luck with other brands but they all seem to have a problem. > Does this PS2 easily hook up to any fairly modern TV purchased within > the past 3 years?? Again...I'm from the Atari 2600/Sega Genesis > generation. Forgive my ignorance. You get a cable in the box, I think it's the basic AV lead, should just plug into the ones most new tvs have on the side or front. > Wow!! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw what the PS3 will be > retailing for!! It costs more than my first car did!! I seem to recall > Xbox being $199 when it came out???? A bargain compared to PS3. Many a > family will be going broke this Christmas! :) > > Thanks everyone for your opinions. Being in England our prices can be absolutely bizarre and we're probably still paying more for most things than you do in the states. When they price cut the ps2 in the states they refuse to do so in England and simply say something like they sell more bundles (games and machine or steering wheel and machine etc) in the UK. Not for nothing is it known as Rip-Off-Britain. If you search on any website for a bundle, rather than just a ps2 on its own, you might get an extra controller etc with it. You just have to work out how much you're saving overall and if it's worth it.  SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> Well, if you want console recommendations, you're in the right place. >> For example, I wouldn't get a used Xbox, since new ones are often on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >as well. Oh my. I will want to get a second one in case two of us want >to compete. i wouldn't expect a PS2 price drop until the PS3 becomes a bit more established in the marketplace, and as they're only going to have 400'000 for the whole of the USA on the launch day, i wouldn't expect it to be for a few months yet! >Does this PS2 easily hook up to any fairly modern TV purchased within >the past 3 years?? Again...I'm from the Atari 2600/Sega Genesis >generation. Forgive my ignorance. it should do, though i'm not sure what cables it comes bundled with in the USA, but in europe it comes with probably the crappiest possible video lead, basically to make you shell out more money to get a better picture :) >Wow!! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw what the PS3 will be >retailing for!! It costs more than my first car did!! I seem to recall >Xbox being $199 when it came out???? A bargain compared to PS3. Many a >family will be going broke this Christmas! :) the PS3 is fast becoming a farce in gaming circles, really. Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk Current eBay auctions: http://tinyurl.com/hutcb > I suppose Playstation 2 prices will similarly drop when Playstation 3 > is released in a few weeks. A few weeks?? In Europe?? Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. >> I suppose Playstation 2 prices will similarly drop when Playstation 3 >> is released in a few weeks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Cheers, >Rob there's a chicago in europe now? Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk Current eBay auctions: http://tinyurl.com/hutcb > >A few weeks?? In Europe?? > there's a chicago in europe now? The original poster mentioned Euros as currency, America isn't muscling in on the EU again is it? ;o) Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. >> I suppose Playstation 2 prices will similarly drop when Playstation 3 >> is released in a few weeks. > > A few weeks?? In Europe?? I suppose it's a bit of stretch for "a few weeks" for Europe, but I kinda thought "Chicago Laura" would be in the US... >> I have a gamepad, but I'm still finding it a pain in the a.s because you >> still need to use the keyboard. Due to my inexperience and lack of game [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > release and then got GTA3 for it too since the PC version was so > lousy. I think the best controller i have found for playing GTA3 and GTA:Vice City on the PC is the logitech dual action, as its built just like a PS2 controller and if you set up the game in Standard or Classic controller (can remember which) it sets the sticks for driving and such - just configure the buttons to the same as the PS2 ones and apart fron using the mouse to aim with weapons occasionally, (usually sniper) you can get away with not using the keyboard and mouse all together. I have already. Simon > > I'm usually 2-3x as old as the other people (at 43). Now that's a good > > way to feel ancient! > > You got me beat! I'm 36. I maybe unjustly assume most people here are > kids...teens and 20's. My BF is 51 and still enjoys the games, but I > think we're the minority. ----------- # Console Player Demographics: Seventy-five percent of console game players are male and 25 percent are female. Forty-six percent are under 18 years old, 35 percent are 18 to 35, 11 percent are 36-45 years old, and 8 percent are over 46. # Computer Player Demographics: Sixty-one percent of computer game players are male, while 39 percent are female. Thirty-six percent are under 18 years old, 26 percent are 18 to 35, 14 percent are 36-45 years old, and 25 percent are over 46. # Buyer Demographics: The average age of a game buyer is 36. ----------- ( from http://www.theesa.com/archives/2004/05/esa_releases_re.php ) So, yes, you're in the minority. :P (at 34, I'm in a larger minority :) Those are, as you can see, figures from 2004, however. I hear the 30-somethings have gained a higher share since then. > I have a gamepad, but I'm still finding it a pain in the a.s because you > still need to use the keyboard. Due to my inexperience and lack of game > organization, I seem to need the gamepad, mouse, AND keyboard to operate > the game. Not fun. I find that to be ideal, personally - gamepad while in vehicles (though the keyboard is still needed to aim the turrets on fire trucks & tanks since I only have 8 buttons) and keyboard and mouse while on foot (mouse to aim and change direction, with the left button to shoot, right button to go to first-person aiming with the M4, rocket launcher & sniper rifle, wheel to change weapons or zoom the sniper scope, and keyboard for forward/backwards/strafing movements, plus other minor functions like entering/leaving vehicles, starting sub-missions, etc., all of which can easily be put within reach of one hand). I use pretty much the exact same setup (down to the key positionings - for me, movement's with the arrow keys, jump is on keypad 0 and crouch on keypad 1, for example), with only minor variation because of unique aspects of each game (which are suprisingly few), on every 1st- or 3rd-person shooter I play. It's all what you're used to. > I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. The younger mind has a better grasp > on these things I think. I guess my point is, I'd like to streamline > things and play the game the way it was meant to be played...NOT on a PC. Well, then, that'd be on the PS2. :) [which is a good choice if you're only a casual gamer anyways - relatively cheap and it has a HUGE back catalog (including PlayStation 1 games; not sure which has more titles, though) in probably every game genre that exists, so finding stuff to play at decent prices won't be a chore, at least for a few more years. :) Signature"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush [August 5th, 2004] > > The ancient rookie of the group. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > play GTA with the same button layout as on a PS2 (much cheaper and > easier, I would think). If i was going for a console version it would be ps2, the buttons aren't right on the xbox although some of the games look better or feel better it is just too fiddly. Anyways, slimline ps2 and rather than ebay looking around for a good package of games and console would probably be better. That way you have a brand new console which can be returned if it goes wrong and you don't get that awful stuttering thing many of the older ps2s suffered from when confronted with San Andreas. I've tagged on here rather than directly under Laura as I'm wondering about your pad suggestion. Isn't there one of those adapters so a ps2 pad can be used and configured for PC use? ... yes, a little search, something like this gadget http://tinyurl.com/y3woh3 or http://www.kanection.co.uk/product.php/34/1 SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > The ancient rookie of the group. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thanks!!! Your probably much better off getting a gamepad for your PC than forking out for an entire console system, it's almost certainly going to be cheaper. What missions are you stuck on, we can provide some assistance with it. Bear in mind that for most of the missions in all three of the GTA games, the mouse offers more refined control and hence easier gameplay. --- _ __ _ _ _ _ _ | |/ / (_) | | | | | | | | ' / ___ _| |_| |__ | |__| | | < / _ \ | __| '_ \ | __ | | . \ __/ | |_| | | | | | | | |_|\_\___|_|\__|_| |_| |_| |_| > > The ancient rookie of the group. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Bear in mind that for most of the missions in all three of the GTA > games, the mouse offers more refined control and hence easier gameplay. Sorry I just realized that this post was a bit ambiguous. I meant you can actually get a better gamepad if your current one isn't quite PS2 familiar or you can use your current one in some form of combination with the current controls. The game offers complete customization so you could use a number of different control types. You can go to the extreme and use the gamepad for everything including on foot, shooting and driving which mirrors the classic PS2 controls, or you can merely use the gamepad for driving and use the mouse for aiming and shooting. I use the gamepad for driving and for shooting I use the mouse, it works quite well. Particularly for the mission where you have to blow the boat up. --- _ __ _ _ _ _ _ | |/ / (_) | | | | | | | | ' / ___ _| |_| |__ | |__| | | < / _ \ | __| '_ \ | __ | | . \ __/ | |_| | | | | | | | |_|\_\___|_|\__|_| |_| |_| |_| > Bear in mind that for most of the missions in all three of the GTA > games, the mouse offers more refined control and hence easier gameplay. I've found that's only true of sniper and other missions where you're in first-person view - except for the mission in GTA3 to shoot down the Dodo with the RPG. For some reason, I've never been able to do it with the mouse, but it only ever takes me 2-3 tries on the PS2. Signature"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush [August 5th, 2004] > I've found that's only true of sniper and other missions where you're in > first-person view Oh, you don't find it easier to shoot people in cars or hit their gas tanks, when on foot? Amazing. > > I've found that's only true of sniper and other missions where you're > > in first-person view > > Oh, you don't find it easier to shoot people in cars or hit their gas > tanks, when on foot? Amazing. Never tried - only have GTA3 & VC on the PC, neither of which you can do that in. On the PS2, I never tried in SA because the TV resolution means you almost never see the gas tank unless the car's at rest. :) Signature"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush [August 5th, 2004] > Never tried - only have GTA3 & VC on the PC, neither of which you can do > that in. On the PS2, I never tried in SA because the TV resolution means > you almost never see the gas tank unless the car's at rest. :) On the wide variety of two and foor door cars, the gas tank is in the same place. Some vehicles are odd and have no visible gas tank (The 4x4 under the Big Ear comes to mind). Also, motorcycles seem to be, if you forgive the pun, a bit hit and miss when it comes to one shot explosions. More often than not you can give the car a volley of fire from an automatic weapon whilst standing in the same place and the car will detonate as it tries to get away. As long as your fire is roughly the right height it'll go "boom" every time. Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > To prove how out of touch I am, I have a Sega Genesis stashed away > somewhere...and I received that used one as a gift years after the fact! Well, a chap is porting GTAIII to the NES. I sh.t you not, the official site is down at the moment, but check out some screenshots and the discussion at: http://forevergeek.com/games/grand_theftendo_port_of_gta_iii_to_8bit_nes.php Other than that, if you're only buying a console for GTA, than a PS2 or XBox is more than suitable. As Mark commented, if you've got a fairly good PC, than a triple pack (With GTAIII, Vice City and San Andreas) can be picked up pretty cheap and you can get all manner of joypads to emulate the correct buttons (I've got a doctored PS2 pad with a USB plug for example, it took ten minutes out of the box to set-up ready for use and that includes the two odd minutes just for the PC to logon). But, if you're going for a first-hand console, the XBox version just about wins. The sound and graphics are slightly improved, and even the draw distance seems as good as the PC. PS2s are slightly cheaper however, and the control system is a little easier. There are more than enough good games on both platforms to justify the expense of a console though, so if you're getting a console for other games other than GTA I'd take a look at a few game sites. Gamefaqs.com is ideal, they always have lists of the top games, both past and current. Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > > To prove how out of touch I am, I have a Sega Genesis stashed away > > somewhere...and I received that used one as a gift years after the fact! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Cheers, > Rob the one thing that makes me buy xbox before ps2 is the hard drive. I hate those stupid little memory cards on the ps2. The controller feels better too. I don't think the port of San andreas is anything to shout about though, in fact barring the odd road surface I'd say it's pretty much the same. Oh, except the contrast is better, you can see in dark areas much easier. but why the hell did they remove the real shine from the vehicles and more so, why did they use the black and white button for anything which wasn't simple, like radio stations etc? It just doesn't make sense to use them for serious game playing SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > the one thing that makes me buy xbox before ps2 is the hard drive. I > hate those stupid little memory cards on the ps2. A HD for the PS2 can be installed, but requires a bit of technical knowledge. I rarely use the one I've got fitted, except for new games that load new data every five seconds. Some games still take a while though, but the GTA games are noticeably swift. > The controller feels better too. I don't think the port of San > andreas is anything to shout about though, in fact barring the odd > road surface I'd say it's pretty much the same. I noticed that there seems to be more street "furniture", things like destructivle dustbins and boxes. Purely decoration, but it does look good when you blow up a car and get extra debris. The best thing I've noticed is that the XBox rarely slows down, on the PS2 the game really lags behind. Have you seen the video that some chap made that has him destroying 50+ Hydras at Grove Street? I can bet that if you did the same on the XBox it wouldn't slow down nearly as much as it did on the PS2. > Oh, except the contrast is better, you can see in dark areas much > easier. but why the hell did they remove the real shine from the > vehicles and more so, why did they use the black and white button for > anything which wasn't simple, like radio stations etc? It just > doesn't make sense to use them for serious game playing It makes you wonder who actually tests these controls. Some games have such an illogical layout it makes you think why they didn't spend as much time on control as they did making the game look as pretty and playable. On the PC, if I can get away with re-mapping the controls to use as little possible, I will. Classic DOOM keys (Cursors, shift, control, etc.) are good. And just about 90% of old Acorn BBC games used Z, X, ', / and Return. Ahh, the good old days. Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > > the one thing that makes me buy xbox before ps2 is the hard drive. I > > hate those stupid little memory cards on the ps2. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that load new data every five seconds. Some games still take a while > though, but the GTA games are noticeably swift. I thought it might be a little harder with the slimline > > The controller feels better too. I don't think the port of San > > andreas is anything to shout about though, in fact barring the odd [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > noticed is that the XBox rarely slows down, on the PS2 the game really > lags behind. Oh yeah, I forgot about that but yes, there are extra things in that side of the game, stuff like racks and shelves in amunation instead of wide spaces. > Have you seen the video that some chap made that has him destroying 50+ > Hydras at Grove Street? I can bet that if you did the same on the XBox > it wouldn't slow down nearly as much as it did on the PS2. I find the slowdown on the xbox to be worse than ps2, specially when it is fire or smoke. I also noted today, playing GTAIII that when I leave the first safe house the vehicles passing the exit seem to be kind of stuttering, as if trails was turned on. It doesn't do it for long, but it does it. > > Oh, except the contrast is better, you can see in dark areas much > > easier. but why the hell did they remove the real shine from the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > much time on control as they did making the game look as pretty and > playable. I did think maybe they used an old controller, with the buttons at the top? I've never had one but maybe they were a better position for play? One thing is for sure, pressing two buttons to see behind, a trigger for accelerate and another button to fire is f***ing awful, and shooting something from the left window of a moving vehicle is damned near impossible. > On the PC, if I can get away with re-mapping the controls to use as > little possible, I will. Classic DOOM keys (Cursors, shift, control, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cheers, > Rob :O) recall my sister buying some space game for atari, it came with a sort of keypad and although we were used to keypads on our colleco this thing was well nasty. I suppose it would be the equivalent of that game which comes with the huge console thing you have to set up in front of you nowadays. My memory is awful, can't recall either game's name! SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ > :O) recall my sister buying some space game for atari, it came with a > sort of keypad and although we were used to keypads on our colleco > this thing was well nasty. I suppose it would be the equivalent of > that game which comes with the huge console thing you have to set up > in front of you nowadays. My memory is awful, can't recall either > game's name! I always thought Elite was pretty cool for control considering the extent of the gameplay. The key system wasn't over-complicated, and anything that needed to be denoted could be seen on the little strip to put above the function keys. Damn handy on the BBC Master and early Archimedes models, as the keyboard on those had a plastic thing that you could store them all in. Nostalgia <sniff>. Cheers, Rob Signature.__ __ |__ |__ .|__ __ | Rob White, Half Man Half Biscuit. | / \| \ | | || ||| /__\ | robthemod@googlemail.com | \__/|__/ |_|_|| |||__\___ | Wimbledon, London, England. "Do sugar cubes have dots or is that a dice I just put in my tea?" To the world you are somebody, but to somebody you are the world. > > :O) recall my sister buying some space game for atari, it came with a > > sort of keypad and although we were used to keypads on our colleco [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > anything that needed to be denoted could be seen on the little strip to > put above the function keys. wasn't that, i don't think. I had elite myself. This had something a bit like one of those wired remote controls, and I think it had a slot for different cards. > Damn handy on the BBC Master and early Archimedes models, as the > keyboard on those had a plastic thing that you could store them all in. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cheers, > Rob :O) the colleco had a slot in each handset which took cards for each game, so you could use the buttons for different things, absolutely cool for its time. It also had an add on huge track ball thing and even a keyboard etc. The one we had we got an adapter which slotted in the front and you could use atari games in that. pads http://www.ntrautanen.fi/computers/other/images/cbs_coleco.jpg system http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/Pictures/PressAdverts/coleco.jpg the adapter, amazing bit of kit, like having a ps2 play xbox games! http://www.homecomputermuseum.de/game/detail/36.jpg SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >:O) recall my sister buying some space game for atari, it came with a > sort of keypad and although we were used to keypads on our colleco > this thing was well nasty. I suppose it would be the equivalent of > that game which comes with the huge console thing you have to set up > in front of you nowadays. My memory is awful, can't recall either > game's name! If the game was for the 2600 it was probably Star Raiders. SR was absolutely awesome (for the time) on the Atari 800 computer and I wasted more hours than I care to count on it. I never played it on the 2600, because I knew it would sully my fond memories, but your description sounds about like it. The game with the huge console was an X-Box game that involved fighting mecha (kinda like Mechwarrior) and it was called Steel Battalion. The console and game was something like $200 and I also recall that if your mech was mortally damaged you had to hit the eject button before it exploded, otherwise your hard-earned saves were erased from the HDD. Nice idea, but the cost and the save- erasing would have really turned me off from it, if I had ever owned an X-Box. -- Bob > >:O) recall my sister buying some space game for atari, it came with a > > sort of keypad and although we were used to keypads on our colleco [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the Atari 800 computer and I wasted more hours than I care to count on it. I never played it on the 2600, > because I knew it would sully my fond memories, but your description sounds about like it. the mention of hyper space makes me think you're right. That was about the only bit I could get to work :O) > The game with the huge console was an X-Box game that involved fighting mecha (kinda like > Mechwarrior) and it was called Steel Battalion. The console and game was something like $200 and I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- Bob good grief! Spot on again i think though, and yes, I had heard about the HD erase thing too. imagine paying all that cash for something that dumped your saves! SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ >> A HD for the PS2 can be installed, but requires a bit of technical >> knowledge. I rarely use the one I've got fitted, except for new games >> that load new data every five seconds. Some games still take a while >> though, but the GTA games are noticeably swift. >> > I thought it might be a little harder with the slimline You can apparently use a garden variety USB drive and software called USB Extreme to install games to it. But the USB port is version 1.1, so it's no speed demon. I don't know if it's worth it. > >> A HD for the PS2 can be installed, but requires a bit of technical > >> knowledge. I rarely use the one I've got fitted, except for new games [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > USB Extreme to install games to it. But the USB port is version 1.1, > so it's no speed demon. I don't know if it's worth it. probably not. I am quite happy with the speed of the machine as it is, just the saved games. of course when my old machine started stuttering on san andreas a lot of folks advised a hard drive but it just seemed like throwing good money after bad. SignaturePaul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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