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Why Is Vice City Stories Not Going to PC?

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Kyle :o) - 18 Oct 2006 22:37 GMT
This bites!  From everything I've seen the game looks like a great title and
would be perfect to play on the PC right next to the original!  I'm not
going to spend the $s to drop on a stupid hand-held system just to play one
game - Nintendo and Sega did that crap to me once too often in the 90's with
GameBoy and GameGear so Sony can forget it!

Which sort of brings me to a semi-off topic question of:  Why are there so
many games going to Playstation and X-Box, yet almost none to the PC?
There's lots of great games out there that are console-based only and it's
getting me sick!  Again - I'm done dropping $200 every year for the newest
console system that, most times, cannot play any of the older games.  At
least on the PC I can still play games that are several years old - unlike
systems like Nintendo.

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Odd Bob - 18 Oct 2006 23:45 GMT
"Kyle :o\)" <TrollsSuck@LookoutIsOne.com> wrote in
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> This bites!  From everything I've seen the game looks like a great
> title and would be perfect to play on the PC right next to the
> original!  I'm not going to spend the $s to drop on a stupid hand-held
> system just to play one game

Nobody seriously expects you to.

> - Nintendo and Sega did that crap to me
> once too often in the 90's with GameBoy and GameGear so Sony can
> forget it!

That's OK with Sony.  They know they can't please everyone.  The important question is: can they
please (and sell to) enough people to make a profit on it?  If VCS sells well enough, I'm sure R* will be
glad to port it to the PC.  I'm thinking it won't, and likely so are they.

> Which sort of brings me to a semi-off topic question of:  Why are
> there so many games going to Playstation and X-Box, yet almost none to
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> of the older games.  At least on the PC I can still play games that
> are several years old - unlike systems like Nintendo.

You're wandering into troll territory here.  I don't really care enough to correct the multiple
misconceptions contained in this statement.  Maybe somebody else will.

-- Bob
Paul Heslop - 19 Oct 2006 00:00 GMT
> You're wandering into troll territory here.  I don't really care enough to correct the multiple
> misconceptions contained in this statement.  Maybe somebody else will.
>
> -- Bob

Not me, I'm too busy playing games on my Sony console :O)

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Rob White - 19 Oct 2006 01:43 GMT
> If VCS sells well enough, I'm sure R* will be  glad to port it to the
> PC.  I'm thinking it won't, and likely so are they.

Considering how long it took PC gamers to get the GTAIII trilogy, a LCS
and VCS port does seem feasible but in my eyes looks unlikely.

LCS only really got a port to the PS2 due to the good reception it got
on the PSP, so my only guess is that it's some sort of exclusivity
thing going on between R* and Sony.

> You're wandering into troll territory here. I don't really care enough
> to correct the multiple  misconceptions contained in this statement.
> Maybe somebody else will.

There are some truths to his rant; I was one of the suckers who went
out and got a PSP just for LCS and I really would have kept it if a) it
hadn't broken and b) (The main reason) it had enough good games to
justify the expense.

That said, Lumines was like Tetris and Lemmings all over again. The
amount of time I spent playing that rather than being productive was
mental.

Just for the record, I am seriously thinking of getting another PSP as
there are quite a few good games now that I'd like. I am *never* buying
an XBox despite the quality of recent games, and in fact would rather
play PSP "classics" than buy a(nother) next-gen console.

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LycraLover - 05 Nov 2006 14:38 GMT
After bad memories of games such as Final Fantasy VII constantly crashing on
Windows 98, I've come to prefer my games on consoles.

>> Which sort of brings me to a semi-off topic question of:  Why are
>> there so many games going to Playstation and X-Box, yet almost none to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> of the older games.  At least on the PC I can still play games that
>> are several years old - unlike systems like Nintendo.
Kyle :o) - 05 Nov 2006 16:26 GMT
> After bad memories of games such as Final Fantasy VII constantly
> crashing on Windows 98, I've come to prefer my games on consoles.

Okay I see your point on the bugs and faults of the Microsoft operating
system issues.  After all, Bill"ion Dollar" Gates is only interested in
making another couple of billion and keeping himself on top of all those
damn Saudi princes in the Richest Man on Earth contest.  But you have to
admit one thing - if you have a really good video card and the right amount
of memory - a PC-played game will not lag and drag like many of the console
versions do that run off a CD/DVD.  I've tried to play a few games that were
both for console (X-Box, Playstation, etc.) and PC and the lag time always
kills me waiting for cut scenes to load or even for them to just play!  And
often times I end up in the middle of a real pickle during game play because
there's too many baddies on the screen at the same time and the CD/DVD can't
give the console the info fast enough!  I've almost never had this happen
with a PC, unless it was my own fault for not defragging my HDD or for
trying to push a game on a system that wasn't 'optimal' for the game I was
playing.

And given the lack of backwards compatibility with almost every single
Nintendo system ever made, with the exception of most portable ones, it's
not been a happy time for people like me that have been involved in video
game play for over 20 years.  I still have my original Atari 2600 and about
30 carts - the original NES and over 75 carts - my original Genesis and SNES
with a combined 50+ games - and an N64 with 3 carts.  So for me to play any
of these games I have to drag out the box containing all the controllers,
the games, the cables and power supplies, plug everything in and get it
running.  Whereas if I want to play my original "Freedom Force" game or even
"The SIMS" all I have to do is find the icon and click it on my PC - no
muss, no fuss!

Plus you have to admit, for games like "Vice City" and others that can
utilize skins, mods and cheats - it's so much easier on a PC than it is with
a PSP, PS2 or any other 'box' system.
Chris F - 19 Oct 2006 00:06 GMT
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:37:37 -0400, "Kyle :o\)"
<TrollsSuck@LookoutIsOne.com> wrote:

>This bites!  From everything I've seen the game looks like a great title and
>would be perfect to play on the PC right next to the original!  I'm not
>going to spend the $s to drop on a stupid hand-held system just to play one
>game - Nintendo and Sega did that crap to me once too often in the 90's with
>GameBoy and GameGear so Sony can forget it!

then don't, they aren't forcing you to.

>Which sort of brings me to a semi-off topic question of:  Why are there so
>many games going to Playstation and X-Box, yet almost none to the PC?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>least on the PC I can still play games that are several years old - unlike
>systems like Nintendo.

consoles, on average, have a lifespan of about 5 years, so your "every
year" statement is wrong.

oh and nintendo's new machine will play older games. as does the 360
and as will the PS3.

PC gaming is a smaller market than it used to be, there isn't the
money in it that there is in the console market, so a lot of dev's
concentrate on that area.

the only really profitable genre on PC seems to be MMORPGs, but even
they will have a limited userbase, as 99% of people will stick to the
one they like, rather than playing a load of them
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Paul Heslop - 19 Oct 2006 00:14 GMT
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:37:37 -0400, "Kyle :o\)"
> <TrollsSuck@LookoutIsOne.com> wrote:
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It's all this having to buy new this that and the other every time a
new game comes out. generally on a console you use what you have and
nowadays if it needs something else it comes attached to the game,
except steering wheels, but they aren't a necessity. Half the time if
I try to play something on my pc, which is goodness knows how much
faster and bigger and butcher than any I have owned before it won't
play the firkin thing as it's either too old or too new. Virtually the
only game I can play well on my computer atm, and not including little
windows games, is Diablo II, and then only if I play it offline.
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Bondi (Class-1) - 19 Oct 2006 06:40 GMT
> This bites!  From everything I've seen the game looks like a great title and
> would be perfect to play on the PC right next to the original!  I'm not
> going to spend the $s to drop on a stupid hand-held system just to play one
> game - Nintendo and Sega did that crap to me once too often in the 90's with
> GameBoy and GameGear so Sony can forget it!

Fair enough.

> Which sort of brings me to a semi-off topic question of:  Why are there so
> many games going to Playstation and X-Box, yet almost none to the PC?

Answer: Profits.

> There's lots of great games out there that are console-based only and it's
> getting me sick!  Again - I'm done dropping $200 every year for the newest
> console system that, most times, cannot play any of the older games.

Bollox: PS2 plays PSX games, Xbox 360 plays Xbox games, PS3 will play
PS2 games, etc.

Console life cycles are something on the order of 5/6 years (and not
1). Perspective: If one wants to keep a PC 'up to date', they're
dropping $350 on the latest must-have graphics card every year.

> At least on the PC I can still play games that are several years old - unlike
> systems like Nintendo.

See above.

Did they ever port LCS to PC - no. So I guess there is no incentive to
do so for VCS either. Just get a used PSP off e-ghey - problem solved.
Anssi Saari - 19 Oct 2006 16:26 GMT
> Bollox: PS2 plays PSX games, Xbox 360 plays Xbox games, PS3 will play
> PS2 games, etc.

I thought the backwards compatibility in Xbox 360 is somewhat limited,
so that it supports only some games? Not that I care as such, I don't
know any Xbox games I'd like to play... And I don't suppose that number will increase.
I'm probably getting a 360 when GTA4 comes out.

> Console life cycles are something on the order of 5/6 years (and not
> 1). Perspective: If one wants to keep a PC 'up to date', they're
> dropping $350 on the latest must-have graphics card every year.

Oh come on, any decent console advocate says it's at least $500 every
six months. Realistically, $200 every two years gets you reasonable
graphics, but you may have to upgrade other things too.

> Did they ever port LCS to PC - no. So I guess there is no incentive to
> do so for VCS either. Just get a used PSP off e-ghey - problem solved.

I'm hoping VCS comes to PS2. It's kind of embarrasing having a console
just for four games...
Rob White - 19 Oct 2006 23:07 GMT
> I'm hoping VCS comes to PS2. It's kind of embarrasing having a console
> just for four games...

Here's hoping, although some R* bigwig said that '...currently there
are no plans to port it...'.

Funny story on compatibility though: My PS2 disk absolutely detests
playing CDRs/CDRWs or burned DVDs, my old PS1 plays audio disks without
any problems whatsoever. Not even any skipping on heavily played disks
that scratched to sh.t.

I put it down to the PS2's drive, although after two (!) replacements
with better ones it really should work properly.

Cheers,
Rob
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Joseph William Dixon - 20 Oct 2006 16:59 GMT
> Funny story on compatibility though: My PS2 disk absolutely detests
> playing CDRs/CDRWs or burned DVDs, my old PS1 plays audio disks without
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> I put it down to the PS2's drive, although after two (!) replacements
> with better ones it really should work properly.

 Doubt it's a problem with the drive - unless you call firmware to keep it
from playing recordable discs a problem, of course. :)  Or do you have a mod
chip and still can't play such discs? [audio or otherwise]

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Rob White - 20 Oct 2006 17:47 GMT
>   Doubt it's a problem with the drive - unless you call firmware to keep it
> from playing recordable discs a problem, of course. :)  Or do you have a mod
> chip and still can't play such discs? [audio or otherwise]

That had actually occured to me. I think you're right, it shouldn't be
the drive controlling what it will play. It might even be the version
of the audio/DVD player. I don't remember having so much hassle with my
first PS2 with CDRs though. That played them fine until it went bang
<Good advice: Try not to accidentally leave any tiny screws inside the
box if you take apart your console>

My other (Modded) PS2 doesn't play them well either, although I've
noticed it plays DVDs slightly better. If I get some time I'm going to
sit down and work it out.

Cheers,
Rob
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Joseph William Dixon - 19 Oct 2006 23:20 GMT
> > At least on the PC I can still play games that are several years old -
> > unlike systems like Nintendo.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Did they ever port LCS to PC - no. So I guess there is no incentive to
> do so for VCS either. Just get a used PSP off e-ghey - problem solved.

 Or, better yet, buy a PS2...

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Dr. Diablo - 23 Oct 2006 20:41 GMT
> This bites!  From everything I've seen the game looks like a great title and
> would be perfect to play on the PC right next to the original!

I really liked VC and have I've read of all the improvemetns that have
been programmed into VCS. From what I've heard Vice City Stories may
not even be ported to PS2. I hope this is untrue. I really want to play
VCS but I don't want a PSP. I really don't see what's the hang up, why
would Rockstar turn down a financial profit by withholding VCS for PS2?
I've read on one of the GTA 4 sites that Rockstar is pouring all their
manpower into GTA 4 so that's why there won't be a VCS for PS2. GTA 4
is supposedly gearing up to be the Game of 2007.
Bondi (Class-1) - 24 Oct 2006 06:30 GMT
> > This bites!  From everything I've seen the game looks like a great title and
> > would be perfect to play on the PC right next to the original!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> manpower into GTA 4 so that's why there won't be a VCS for PS2. GTA 4
> is supposedly gearing up to be the Game of 2007.
Why put effort into a game for a dead console (PS2), when at the same
time you can give the PSP another X-mas sales boost by exclusively
releasing VCS.

And they >better< spend tons of cash on GTA4! I really doesn't want a
repeat of all the major glitches SA suffers from!! =P
Odd Bob - 24 Oct 2006 08:25 GMT
> And they >better< spend tons of cash on GTA4! I really doesn't want a
> repeat of all the major glitches SA suffers from!! =P

Nah, I'm sure they'll give you a wholly new and original set of major
glitches to enjoy.  I have complete faith in them.

-- Bob
Paul Heslop - 24 Oct 2006 08:27 GMT
> > And they >better< spend tons of cash on GTA4! I really doesn't want a
> > repeat of all the major glitches SA suffers from!! =P
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>
> -- Bob

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John.P.McDevitt@gmail.com - 30 Oct 2006 19:46 GMT
> > > This bites!  From everything I've seen the game looks like a great title and
> > > would be perfect to play on the PC right next to the original!
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> And they >better< spend tons of cash on GTA4! I really doesn't want a
> repeat of all the major glitches SA suffers from!! =P

As there are still several major AAA titles being released exclusively
for PS2, it is not a dead console.  Nobody is saying VCS should be
brought to PS2 right now, but it would be nice to have it next year
like with LCS.  LCS on PS2 supposedly did very well, so that's your
incentive right there.
 
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