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Sethosayher - 13 Sep 2006 15:07 GMT
...or at least semi-randomly.

I bought this particular version of San Andreas off of Amazon...it has
some minor scratches, so I don't think its the fault of the disk,
though I'll try to get a second opinion as soon as possible.

Anyway, the game will freeze while randomly driving, or when I enter a
red marker or building. Its insanely annoying, as I'll often have to
restart six or seven times to get something done.

I think its the fault of my PS2, which is fairly old [bought it 3 years
ago, used - but never any problems until now]. But, I don't really know
about SA's glitches, so I just want to make sure.

Can anyone help or offer any recommendation?
Paul Heslop - 13 Sep 2006 15:28 GMT
> ...or at least semi-randomly.
>
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>
> Can anyone help or offer any recommendation?

sadly as it's an old ps2 and san andreas you have hit the worst
combination. It virtually killed my old ps2, which stopped working
completely, making awful vibrating noise when trying to play anything.
I did find some instructions on cleaning stuff and straightening lazer
arms etc and got it to play other games but if I so much as walk past
it with san andreas in my hand it yelps and runs off to hide :O)

Of course all games can crash but as it's happening to you a lot I'd
say you could try cleaning up the disc, which you can do with some
brasso rubbed gently on the silver side with something very soft. I
don't know if it's best to stick to the scratched spot or clean the
whole surface, but it will remove the scratches, just don't go crazy
and wear everything away! i got a bad copy of the getaway to play
using brasso.

Obviously you could clean the lens with a cleaning disc but that may
not help or you could open her up and have a dabble. Some older
machine have a very thing silver ribbon connecting lid to base though
so it has to be done with care, but as it is only SA doing this I
would say leave well alone internally and try the scratch removal,
specially if you're not getting that vibrating noise when it crashes.

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Chris F - 13 Sep 2006 15:31 GMT
>...or at least semi-randomly.
>
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>
>Can anyone help or offer any recommendation?

SA is notorious for putting stress on the PS2, due to the way data is
constantly streamed off the disc, rather than being loaded in chunks
into memory.

if your PS2 is quite old, then chances are it might just be struggling
to cope with this excessive disc access. other than getting a new ps2
i wouldn't know what else to suggest.
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Sethosayher - 13 Sep 2006 17:10 GMT
Do you think I could get sony to replace my PS2? I don't have a
warrenty, but I think its kinda messed up that my PS2 is virtually
incompatiable with a newer game for the system. If that doesn't work, I
guess I'll have to save up for a new PS2...

> >...or at least semi-randomly.
> >
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Chris F - 13 Sep 2006 17:41 GMT
>Do you think I could get sony to replace my PS2? I don't have a
>warrenty, but I think its kinda messed up that my PS2 is virtually
>incompatiable with a newer game for the system. If that doesn't work, I
>guess I'll have to save up for a new PS2...

not a chance. you have no warranty with them. they may offer to repair
it, but they'll charge you and that'll probably cost almost as much as
a new PS2.

even if you did have a warranty with them, it would have run out long
ago and i doubt this would be covered by it anyway as it would be
classed as "general wear and tear" no doubt.
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Sethosayher - 13 Sep 2006 19:45 GMT
Damn...Know any places to get a ps2 cheap? <_<

> >Do you think I could get sony to replace my PS2? I don't have a
> >warrenty, but I think its kinda messed up that my PS2 is virtually
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Paul Heslop - 13 Sep 2006 20:33 GMT
> Damn...Know any places to get a ps2 cheap? <_<

£96 delivered?

http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4-/488881/Black_PSTWO/Product.html

some bundles from Game

http://www.game.co.uk/lowdown.aspx?lid=1613&cat=9

some offers from pcworld

http://tinyurl.com/fjpsg

and a couple of five game packages from Comet

http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/600.html

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Sethosayher - 13 Sep 2006 20:36 GMT
Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^

> > Damn...Know any places to get a ps2 cheap? <_<
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Paul Heslop - 13 Sep 2006 20:41 GMT
> Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^

good hunting! :O)

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Chris F - 14 Sep 2006 00:29 GMT
>> Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^
>
>good hunting! :O)

frankly i wouldn't bother getting a PS2 now.

in fact, if i didn't still have a load of RPG's im playing through he
could have had mine ;)
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 01:24 GMT
> >> Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^
> >
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:O) I am not so sure about that. I don't see a mad rush to kill the
thing off like the Xbox.
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Chris F - 14 Sep 2006 01:33 GMT
>> >> Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^
>> >
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> :O) I am not so sure about that. I don't see a mad rush to kill the
>thing off like the Xbox.

i just don't think it's worth buying a new one now, when the PS3 is
out within months and will drive the price of the old machine down.

well, at least it would if the PS3 wasn't ridiculously expensive and
lacking in numbers!
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 10:23 GMT
> >> >> Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^
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I'd love to think so but I have my doubts in the uk, they really have
treat us like sh.t over the price.
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M - 14 Sep 2006 23:33 GMT
ROFL..........
Out in MONTHS!?!?!?!!

Not in Europe my friend............try Xmas 2007...........

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>>> >> Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^
>>> >
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> well, at least it would if the PS3 wasn't ridiculously expensive and
> lacking in numbers!
Chris F - 15 Sep 2006 00:17 GMT
>ROFL..........
>Out in MONTHS!?!?!?!!
>
>Not in Europe my friend............try Xmas 2007...........

christmas is in march now?
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M - 21 Sep 2006 23:13 GMT
After all the European shite $ony have done so far you still trust them???
We'll see my friend........

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>>ROFL..........
>>Out in MONTHS!?!?!?!!
>>
>>Not in Europe my friend............try Xmas 2007...........
>
> christmas is in march now?
Chris F - 22 Sep 2006 00:26 GMT
>After all the European shite $ony have done so far you still trust them???
>We'll see my friend........

trust them? lol

i wouldn't trust sony as far as i could throw them.
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Paul Heslop - 15 Sep 2006 00:35 GMT
> ROFL..........
> Out in MONTHS!?!?!?!!
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> M

wouldn't make any difference to me, I ain't paying half a grand for a
game machine

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Chris F - 15 Sep 2006 01:13 GMT
>> ROFL..........
>> Out in MONTHS!?!?!?!!
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>wouldn't make any difference to me, I ain't paying half a grand for a
>game machine

but it's not a games machine.

it's a high definition home entertainment multimedia portal.

that plays games.

;)
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Paul Heslop - 15 Sep 2006 09:35 GMT
> >> ROFL..........
> >> Out in MONTHS!?!?!?!!
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>
> ;)

ha ha... I wouldn't pay half a grand for one of them either. :O)

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Rob White - 15 Sep 2006 05:44 GMT
> wouldn't make any difference to me, I ain't paying half a grand for a
> game machine

Why don't we all club together and ram-raid a Dixons?

We'll get away with it, as long as they don't install moats at any
stores.

GTA? A bad influence? Pah!

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Paul Heslop - 15 Sep 2006 16:47 GMT
> > wouldn't make any difference to me, I ain't paying half a grand for a
> > game machine
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> Cheers,
> Rob

Heh! a great idea... you supply the ski masks and skis and I'll sit
here by the fire. Call me when you have the machines and I'll have a
black one

:O)

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Class-1 - 18 Sep 2006 07:17 GMT
> > > wouldn't make any difference to me, I ain't paying half a grand for a
> > > game machine
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Heh - well, to do it in a TRUE GTA stylee, we'd all just Uzi-up, hop on
some PCJs, drive in though the door & stick up the place (I call bagsy
on a yellow PCJ).

And if any checkout girls aren't complete munters, on the back of the
bike they go (to be creatively, um, 'discarded' along with the bike at
a later point)
Mwahahaaa!! =)
Paul Heslop - 18 Sep 2006 10:56 GMT
> > > > wouldn't make any difference to me, I ain't paying half a grand for a
> > > > game machine
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> a later point)
> Mwahahaaa!! =)

:O) sounds like a plan.
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Rob White - 18 Sep 2006 18:53 GMT
> And if any checkout girls aren't complete munters, on the back of the
> bike they go (to be creatively, um, 'discarded' along with the bike at
> a later point)
> Mwahahaaa!! =)

Best avoid the Wimbledon branch, they're all ugly blokes that work
there (Unless that flicks somebody's switch).

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Sethosayher - 14 Sep 2006 03:23 GMT
Would it be too much to ask that you beat 'em faster? =P

*sigh*...I don't know what I should do. I guess I'll just ask one of my
friends if I could borrow their PS2 - all my other titles work fine,
I'm sure one of them would be alright with a temporary trade or
something...

> >> Thanks, I'm checking out the links you gave me ^_^
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> Would it be too much to ask that you beat 'em faster? =P
>
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If you don't want to buy a new one, why not try to get a used one?
As ebay is dodgy as always, I wouldn't. What I'd do is get a used one
of one of your local small local gamer stores.

Aside from used games, they usually also sell used consoles. Bound to
work as these stores also fix/chip consoles so whatever h/w they sell
is bound to work OK.

I've got 2 PS2s, but then I don't think I could bring myself to part
with either one. Be like losing a favourite pet (except the PS2s are
house trained). =)
Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 10:25 GMT
> > Would it be too much to ask that you beat 'em faster? =P
> >
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> with either one. Be like losing a favourite pet (except the PS2s are
> house trained). =)

If I were going to buy a used one, even the slimline, I'd be tempted
to ask if I can play san andreas in it first before buying, and a good
play too, not just a minute or so. On the old machine I found one of
the biggest stumbling blocks seemed to be the changing rooms in shops,
my game would glitch and crash at those points and it was in one of
those where it eventually gave up the ghost and refused to play in my
old ps2 ever again.
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Sethosayher - 14 Sep 2006 11:41 GMT
The slimlines should have no problem playing SA, right? I think I'll
look for a used slimline...and I will most definetly ask if it plays
San Andreas. Don't want to make that mistake again...

> > > Would it be too much to ask that you beat 'em faster? =P
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Chris F - 14 Sep 2006 12:09 GMT
>The slimlines should have no problem playing SA, right? I think I'll
>look for a used slimline...and I will most definetly ask if it plays
>San Andreas. Don't want to make that mistake again...

you'd think so, but when i worked in a games shop around the time the
slimline and SA were released, we got a fair few of the machines
returned because they were overheating.

i don't think this was down to SA, mind you, just the initial batch of
slimline machines being a bit dodgy.
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 12:48 GMT
> >The slimlines should have no problem playing SA, right? I think I'll
> >look for a used slimline...and I will most definetly ask if it plays
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Yeah, I recall that period.
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Sethosayher - 14 Sep 2006 13:00 GMT
I guess I'll be getting a used slimline then...in the meanwhile, while
I wait, I guess I'll content myself with borrowing a friend's ps2 -
maybe he'll let me trade with him for a while. My ps2 works fine with
plenty of other games, I actually checked yesterday...so I think it'll
be alrights...lets hope someone is generous.

> > >The slimlines should have no problem playing SA, right? I think I'll
> > >look for a used slimline...and I will most definetly ask if it plays
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 14:13 GMT
> I guess I'll be getting a used slimline then...in the meanwhile, while
> I wait, I guess I'll content myself with borrowing a friend's ps2 -
> maybe he'll let me trade with him for a while. My ps2 works fine with
> plenty of other games, I actually checked yesterday...so I think it'll
> be alrights...lets hope someone is generous.

If the disc is really scratched I'm serious about the brasso thing. it
really works.

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Chris F - 14 Sep 2006 14:19 GMT
>> I guess I'll be getting a used slimline then...in the meanwhile, while
>> I wait, I guess I'll content myself with borrowing a friend's ps2 -
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>If the disc is really scratched I'm serious about the brasso thing. it
>really works.

or the boiling water trick.
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 15:05 GMT
> >> I guess I'll be getting a used slimline then...in the meanwhile, while
> >> I wait, I guess I'll content myself with borrowing a friend's ps2 -
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I ahven't actually tried that one, does it remove the problems or
somehow restore it without removing scratches?
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Chris F - 14 Sep 2006 15:41 GMT
>> >> I guess I'll be getting a used slimline then...in the meanwhile, while
>> >> I wait, I guess I'll content myself with borrowing a friend's ps2 -
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>I ahven't actually tried that one, does it remove the problems or
>somehow restore it without removing scratches?

it only works with light scratches, i think. supposedly it removes a
thin layer of plastic coating from the data side of the disc, and thus
takes any superficial scratches with it.
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 19:56 GMT
> >> >> I guess I'll be getting a used slimline then...in the meanwhile, while
> >> >> I wait, I guess I'll content myself with borrowing a friend's ps2 -
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> thin layer of plastic coating from the data side of the disc, and thus
> takes any superficial scratches with it.

similar t the brasso, only my scratches on that one were awful, I
really thought it was a gonner, which is why  didn't worry about the
brasso.

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Rob White - 14 Sep 2006 16:56 GMT
> If the disc is really scratched I'm serious about the brasso thing. it
> really works.

I imagine it must work for audio CDs too?

My Supergrass 'In It For The Money' CD (Amongst others)  is absolutely f****d.

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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 19:58 GMT
> > If the disc is really scratched I'm serious about the brasso thing. it
> > really works.
>
> I imagine it must work for audio CDs too?
>
> My Supergrass 'In It For The Money' CD (Amongst others)  is absolutely f****d.

I'd say so Rob. just be gentle and don;t rub away more than you need
to. I don't know what the best material to use is but I'm sure you're
clever enough to work that out :O) I think I used a very soft clean
rag. What I like about doing this is you can see it happening right
before your eyes, so it's easy to know when to stop.

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M - 14 Sep 2006 23:35 GMT
Best thing for that band IMHO..........

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>> If the disc is really scratched I'm serious about the brasso thing. it
>> really works.
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>
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Rob White - 14 Sep 2006 16:53 GMT
> you'd think so, but when i worked in a games shop around the time the
> slimline and SA were released, we got a fair few of the machines
> returned because they were overheating.

I have it on good authority that early batches had a problem with their
laser lens too, something about mis-alignment (Quite a common PS1
problem too).

> i don't think this was down to SA, mind you, just the initial batch of
> slimline machines being a bit dodgy.

A friend of mine recieved one that was ordered from a reputable online
store that lacked a functioning 2nd controller port, I'm pretty aure
that wasn't a one-off.

My old style PS2 is three years old and still plays perfectly (Yeah,
ok, I give it a yearly dust. But that's not cheating!).

Cheers,
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 12:48 GMT
> The slimlines should have no problem playing SA, right? I think I'll
> look for a used slimline...and I will most definetly ask if it plays
> San Andreas. Don't want to make that mistake again...

There was a small panic in america with the satin silver slimline, I
think, where it refused to play some older games, but apart from that
I don't think I have noticed anyone complain that the slimline doesn't
play SA

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Chris F - 14 Sep 2006 13:04 GMT
>> The slimlines should have no problem playing SA, right? I think I'll
>> look for a used slimline...and I will most definetly ask if it plays
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>I don't think I have noticed anyone complain that the slimline doesn't
>play SA

both models have problems with some games. it's a tiny percentage, but
apparently it was down to the way they restructured the architecture
of the chipset.
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Paul Heslop - 14 Sep 2006 14:14 GMT
> >> The slimlines should have no problem playing SA, right? I think I'll
> >> look for a used slimline...and I will most definetly ask if it plays
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I suppose all machines will have something to bug them. Have they got
anywhere near stability with the 360 yet?
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