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Game Forum / Simulators / Aviation Simulators / December 2007FS9 and 10 in XP & Vista
I'm not trying to promote one or the other, but here's my findings. I run FS9 and 10 on both XPwith DX9 and Vista with DX10. I have installed SP1 and Accelerator (let's call it SP2) on both. Frame rates on FS10 and XP are locked at 40, and I'm hitting that (the glider video was done with this). Frame rates on FS10 and Vista are locked at 20, and I can't get near this. I'm hitting maybe 12, and very jerky. I must admit that the scenery in Vista with DX10 is stunning, but to turn down the sliders to make the flight smooth is an oxymoron. I started producing my glider video in Vista with DX10 and FS10, but had to revert to XP and FS10 for smoothness. Now I'm wondering what will be presented to us in the future, computer wise, because I don't think I can get any better here. Is this a Vista problem? The same results were observed before SP2, so it must be an issue with Vista, and of course DX10 is not available for other OS? $ BTW: SLI is not recognized by Windows XP, so be forewarned. > I'm not trying to promote one or the other, but here's my findings. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > BTW: SLI is not recognized by Windows XP, so be forewarned. Interesting info, thanks for that. Have you by chance, tried running FSX in Vista, using DX9 rather than 10? ( I presume, this would be by not turning the dx10 preview mode on in FSX). I would be curious as to how it performs in DX9 under Vista, compared to DX9 with XP. SLI not recognized in XP?  SignatureDon Interesting thought! I'll try that and see what happens! Let me see. FSX, Vista and DX9. If I can figure out how to do that, I will. $ >> I'm not trying to promote one or the other, but here's my findings. >> >> I run FS9 and 10 on both XPwith DX9 and Vista with DX10. SNIP! >Interesting info, thanks for that. >Have you by chance, tried running FSX in Vista, using DX9 rather than 10? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >SLI not recognized in XP? On 12/23/2007 3:21 PM, SORSRR went clickity clack on the keyboard and produced this interesting bit of text: > I'm not trying to promote one or the other, but here's my findings. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > BTW: SLI is not recognized by Windows XP, so be forewarned. SLI doesn't need to be recognized by XP because XP's interface doesn't use 3D acceleration. It's a pure 2D interface. Vista, on the other hand, with its Aero interface does use 3D acceleration. This also uses a lot more processor time along with all the other bloat in Vista and as such you see what most people see: Vista slows things down. This includes all applications, not just games like FSX. But that's not really an issue here. Applications don't really care about the hardware, they just care about the interface needed to access that hardware. XP doesn't recognize SLI because SLI wasn't around for it to be designed to be aware of it. Games and applications don't really care about SLI whether they're in XP or Vista. SLI is a way to make 3D accelerated games faster by providing more than one GPU to render graphics. Just like something like Excel doesn't care if you have one, two or four processors working in the background, games don't care if you have 1, 2 or (now that it's available) 3 GPUs working on the graphics rendering. In other words, for SLI to work properly you don't need games or an OS that's aware of it, you just need the proper drivers for it. The applications access the hardware via the drivers and they do the work of apportioning the data to the GPUs and it's all transparent. SignatureRule of Acquisition number 202: The justification for profit is profit. >On 12/23/2007 3:21 PM, SORSRR went clickity clack on the keyboard and >produced this interesting bit of text: >> I'm not trying to promote one or the other, but here's my findings. >SLI doesn't need to be recognized by XP because XP's interface doesn't >use 3D acceleration. It's a pure 2D interface. Vista, on the other >hand, with its Aero interface does use 3D acceleration. SNIP>> Well said, but it comes down to the fact that a person running XP and FS9 will not benefit from SLI. Am I right? $ On 12/23/2007 8:55 PM, SORSRR went clickity clack on the keyboard and produced this interesting bit of text: >> On 12/23/2007 3:21 PM, SORSRR went clickity clack on the keyboard and >> produced this interesting bit of text: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Well said, but it comes down to the fact that a person running XP and > FS9 will not benefit from SLI. Am I right? I can't speak from personal experience (anybody want to buy a BFG 7950 GT card with 512 MB for me so I can test?) but I've heard mixed reviews about this and I'm not sure I've heard anybody talk about SLI in relation to FS9. SignatureWhen Chuck Norris goes to donate blood, he declines the syringe, and instead requests a hand gun and a bucket. > Frame rates on FS10 and XP are locked at 40, and I'm hitting that (the > glider video was done with this). I watched your glider video a couple of times, and when I wasn't considering the grandeur and beauty of the scenery and the superb flying, I was noticing minor stuttering which I acquaint with FSX. If you had told me you had used FS9, I wouldn't have believed you. So, I am questioning your estimate of 40 fps in that video. If anything, it looked like about 15 to 18 fps and I credited that to intensive scenery. Just sayin'..... Stay warm and dry, amigo.... Arthur > So, I am questioning your estimate of 40 fps in that video. If > anything, it looked like about 15 to 18 fps and I credited that to > intensive scenery. > > Just sayin'..... I saw that too. I loved the soundtrack, but it was too stuttery for me to truly portray smooth fligh for me. Might have been 40 in the sim, but maybe your capture software used a heap? What did you use to capture the footage? SignatureCrash Lander. Straight and Level Down Under Forum. http://www.straightandleveldownunder.net Just sayin'..... Stay warm and dry, amigo.... Arthur ===== If only ... Hot and humid here. I'm dripping perspiration. Regards Doug > If only ... Hot and humid here. I'm dripping perspiration. > > Regards > Doug oh you bugger! Freezing cold and pissing with rain here in Vic! SignatureCrash Lander. Straight and Level Down Under Forum. http://www.straightandleveldownunder.net Pissing down in BC too, oh yeah and I'm freezing my nuts off too. >> If only ... Hot and humid here. I'm dripping perspiration. >> >> Regards >> Doug > > oh you bugger! Freezing cold and pissing with rain here in Vic! Yes it was FS10 on XP, and I think the stuttering was minimal compared to Vista. Yes I was hitting 40 on the take. It was recorded with FRAPS, and the frame rate was shown at the end of each segment. I did delete those frames, but I can put them back if you wish? >> Frame rates on FS10 and XP are locked at 40, and I'm hitting that (the >> glider video was done with this). [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Arthur > Is this a Vista problem? Vista contains an enormous truckload of new code, virtually none of which is useful to the average computer user, and a great deal of which is a result of Microsoft selling out to movie studios and music publishers, even though they are not the people buying its products. As a result, Vista is slow. Every sound and image has to be audited by the OS to verify that you're not trying to steal money from huge movie studios or huge music publishers. Ahhh! Now we're making sense! Thanks for that input. $ >> Is this a Vista problem? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >to verify that you're not trying to steal money from huge movie studios or >huge music publishers. >> Is this a Vista problem? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >to verify that you're not trying to steal money from huge movie studios or >huge music publishers. Could you post a link to a site that explains this last paragraph more thoroughly. > >> Is this a Vista problem? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Could you post a link to a site that explains this last paragraph more > thoroughly. Basically MS decided to comply with the restrictions the movie industry demanded be included in the OS to control copying of movies etc. In practice it means the OS controls various hardware and how it can be used from within the OS but not under your control. In practice this means watching a DVD may not allow one to output the signal to a tv also as that can be recorded with a VCR, audio line-out may be disabled, etc. etc. Various hardware vendors, in order to be certified, must build within their drivers this "disable" feature or they don't get certified. As I have no use for Vista, actual usage may not mimick my understanding but one thing's for sure and that's I have no desire to even see it given the OS is no longer (if it ever was) allowing me to do with what I already have as I want to. Hi SORSRR, I've just about finished building a new PC, which uses drive caddies. One caddy has Xp Pro 32Bit with both FS9.1 and FSX with Acceleration, and the other caddy has Vista Ultimate 64Bit, with FS9,1 and FSX with Acceleration. I'm almost at the stage where I can start testing both systems (as soon as I get some decent planes for FSX - they seem a bit thin on the ground...). I'll get back to this thread later on, when I've got something useful to add... Regards, John Ward > I'm not trying to promote one or the other, but here's my findings. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > BTW: SLI is not recognized by Windows XP, so be forewarned. > I'll get back to this thread later on, when I've got something > useful to add... And about damn time you were getting back to takin care of business JayDub!! d:->)) Hi Manhattan Man, Hehe - all the stuff for the new PC is cutting edge (at least to me), and I just about went cross-eyed putting it all together, and testing it..., even read all the manuals, several times each... After all the hard stuff, what happens - the simmplest thing - the cordless trackball, which had been working all along, decides it won't work all of a sudden #!$#!!. Thats the only thing left to solve, and I'm using a corded trackball in the meantime. I couldn't retrieve any data from that Storage drive that a technician formatted, so I've lost my address book, email store, and everything else that was on it, but life rolls on. So, what've I missed, mate!? :-)) Regards, John Ward >> I'll get back to this thread later on, when I've got something >> useful to add... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > d:->)) I also would be very interested in hearing your thoughts, on 64 bit Vista. I have a 120 gb partition available on a second hard drive I would like to install a 64 bit OS on to try, in a dual boot environment. I was leaning toward XP Pro 64 bit, but apparently the 64 bit drivers for my Cougar are only available for Vista 64. Up till now I have stayed away from Vista, but do want to make a move to 64 bit at some point , and looks like if I do so in the near future will have to be with Vista. Good luck, and congrats on the new machine, if I recall that is a real powerhouse! SignatureDon > Hi SORSRR, > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> >> BTW: SLI is not recognized by Windows XP, so be forewarned. The big issue with 64 bit anything is drivers - especially Vista. Before you do it see if drivers are available for all of your hardware. Of course you could just try and install and see what it complains about <G>. >I also would be very interested in hearing your thoughts, on 64 bit Vista. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Good luck, and congrats on the new machine, if I recall that is a real >powerhouse! Hi Don, Here's the PC, mate: Antec 900 gaming case with side window. Fantastic, with two 120mm fans in the front, one in the side, one in the back, and a 250mm fan in the top - its like a wind tunnel in there, but all very quiet. $AUS 160. Thermaltake Toughpower 1200Watt silent power supply. Gigabyte GA-X38T-DQ6 X38, 1600MHz FSB, DDR3-1600MHz Motherboard - plenty of upgrade for all the quad core, and later, CPUs, and the fastest available front side bus. Intel Core 2 Duo Extreme E6850 CPU, 1333 FSB, 4MB cache, 3.0 GHz, LGA775, with Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste. Zalman Ultra Quiet CNPS9700NT CPU Cooler. Two 20x dual-layer DVD burners I took your hint about fasr RAM, so 4 x 1GB Corsair TWIN3X2048-1333C9DHX XMS3 DDR3 RAM sticks. XFX 512 MB NVidia GeForce 8800GT Extreme graphics card. Creative X-Fi Fatality Pro Gamer soundcard. Two Western Digital 500 GB SATA II hard drives.(the 10,000 RPM drives didn't have anything bigger than 150 GB, which didn't suit me). Here's something you might consider - the hard drives are each in their own Vipower SATA mobile rack (caddy), $AUS40 each.. These caddies each have their own fan built in to the rear of the unit, and they each have their own power switch on the front of the unit. That means that I have both caddies permanently in the case, and I choose which hard drive to boot up to simply by setting the power switch for that caddy on, and the other one off, or vice versa. Previously, with other caddies, I would have to physically take one drive tray out, and put the other one in..., so this is much more convenient and simple. I have Xp Pro 32 bit loaded on one hard drive, and Vista Ultimate 64 bit loaded on the other, and I just set the power switches on the front of the caddies to choose which one I want to boot up to. I chose Vista 64 bit rather than Xp 64 bit simply because I guess, sooner or later, we'll all be using Vista, or some later iteration, so I thought I may as well start getting used to it, rather than just having the 64 bit version of something I'm already familiar with. I've had no troulble at all with drivers for Vista. Vista sure is different to Xp..., but I'm gradually finding my way, as regards the Sims. Regards, John Ward >I also would be very interested in hearing your thoughts, on 64 bit Vista. > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >>> >>> BTW: SLI is not recognized by Windows XP, so be forewarned. It looks like a kick butt system, enjoy, and keep us updated!! Thanks, SignatureDon > Hi Don, > [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] >>>> >>>> BTW: SLI is not recognized by Windows XP, so be forewarned. |
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