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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Final Fantasy / June 2004I eventually finished that bloody FFX-2!! FFX vs FFX-2
Jesus, that was about time! 100% in two rounds, perfect ending (pretty nice. But it does not explain what happened to HIM in the last two years). Killing Paragon and Trema with the Mascotts. I mean, one hour to kill Trema when I could just tape the x down?! Ridiculous. So, after finishing it, just out of curiosity about the use of Iron Duke on a girl with no level, I played a little the yet again new game plus. The damage is strong in terms of killing enemies with one shot, but with 240 strenght doesn't go above 600-700. Funny alghoritm, I believe the count of HP damage does involve the level of the girls and/or the one of the enemy. Anyhow, I switched back to FFX to compare the feelings between FFX-2 and FFX. As I already said... FFX RULES! Even the graphics looks much nicer to me (well, the menu graphics is much better in FFX-2. But just that). The facial motion system is much nicer in FFX. The girls in FXX-2 often look dumb to me. Why did they change it? The atmosphere and the involvement is magnitudes above FFX-2. The music made me mellowing down (can you imagine that FFX-2 music makes me nervous?). I played both the arena monsters at my last save point (how lovely to see those nice 99.999 HP damages with *OVERKILL*) as well as the beginning of the game (feeling already like I want to finish it again. I saved indeed). I dunno. If anyone played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right now!!! You really feel like you are in a complitely different world, and that you must do your best to save it. Gosh! I love that FFX game!! Ciao, Michele <snipping blindly in case there are spoilers> > I dunno. If anyone > played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right now!!! > You really feel like you are in a complitely different world, and that you > must do your best to save it. Gosh! I love that FFX game!! Yes FFX was really good. I still can't decide which I like better: FFVII, FFVIII or FFX. Which have you played?  Signature"How can one little insulated wire bring so much happiness?" H.S. > <snipping blindly in case there are spoilers> >> I dunno. If anyone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yes FFX was really good. I still can't decide which I like better: FFVII, > FFVIII or FFX. Which have you played? All the ones for Playstation(s). Unfortunately I always played the first 2 after coming back home from the pubs, so I didn't really understand what I was doing. %-). I replayed FFVIII just recently, but I got stuck with Omega Weapon (I am not even level 100) after spending hours going down. I like it, but in both FFVIII and FFVII the final bosses were far too strong for my skills. Ultimecia is just a nightmare. Maybe I would need to level up much more, but I tend to get bored levelling up just for the need of it. Worse then all, after I got used to the PS2 graphics I can't go back too much to PS1 style anymore. I wanted to play again FFVII but due to its simplistic graphics in the dungeons I found it boring, now. But I thought it was just great when it came out. I just don't dare to imagine what it will be Final Fantasy on the futuristic PS3. Anyway, let's say that in the order I choose: FFX, FFVII, FFVIII. Hell to FF IX and FFX-2. Ciao, Michele >> <snipping blindly in case there are spoilers> >>> I dunno. If anyone [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Ciao, > Michele Just a small note. In FFVIII, the monsters lvl with you. So the game is actually EASIER the less you lvl. You just have to know how to junction. Also, you should really try the SNES FF's. Far better IMO. Ryan > >> <snipping blindly in case there are spoilers> > >>> I dunno. If anyone [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Ryan Yes they level with you but the game is not easier if you level less, your tryin to tell be that you can kill a wendigo or malbora easier at level 7 than at level 50, don't talk "&$%*$&%" laters Dj Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a DJ Saltynuts: >> Just a small note. In FFVIII, the monsters lvl with you. So the >> game is actually EASIER the less you lvl. You just have to know how >> to junction. Also, you should really try the SNES FF's. Far better >> IMO. > Yes they level with you but the game is not easier if you level less, Yes it is. It's a whole fuckload easier. > your tryin to tell be that you can kill a wendigo or malbora easier at > level 7 than at level 50, don't talk "&$%*$&%" If you have the exact same magic junctions, any enemy in VIII will be easier at a lower level than it will at a higher one. The exception is the monsters on the Island Closest To Hell or whatever it's called, which are at level 100 regardless of your characters' levels. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ >Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a DJ Saltynuts: >>> Just a small note. In FFVIII, the monsters lvl with you. So the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >the monsters on the Island Closest To Hell or whatever it's called, >which are at level 100 regardless of your characters' levels. I thought that the enemies could only be in a certain level range. Such as the malbora being a enemy LVL 15-30 depending on your level. Although that could have just been the bosses??? It was a long time ago. Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Techy Guy: >>>> Just a small note. In FFVIII, the monsters lvl with you. So the >>>> game is actually EASIER the less you lvl. You just have to know [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Although that could have just been the bosses??? It was a long time > ago. That may be the case. I meant in the general sense [i.e. low = ~10, high = ~75]. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Just a small note. In FFVIII, the monsters lvl with you. So the game is > actually EASIER the less you lvl. You just have to know how to junction. > Also, you should really try the SNES FF's. Far better IMO. Feh. The SNES games are abominations. Some interesting concepts were introduced, but the series had moved past the pure stat-wrangling gameplay-centric attitude of the NES games (which is great if you're into that sort of thing), but not quite fully embraced the storytelling ethos of the PSX and later entries. The result are uneven games which certainly have their moments (FF5 has some nice gameplay ideas, and FF6 some wonderful set pieces, but neither coheres very well), but pale in comparision to both the earlier and later games in the series, IMO. Not that they aren't worth playing ('cuz they're not *awful*, mind you), but they're not worthy of the nostalgia they so often recieve, often, I suspect, merely by virtue of being in the right place, at the right time, for the right system. Sorry. I'm done griping now. Proceed as before. >> Just a small note. In FFVIII, the monsters lvl with you. So the >> game is actually EASIER the less you lvl. You just have to know how [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sorry. I'm done griping now. Proceed as before. Say what you will. The music was wonderful, not compared to the crap in FFX. The grafix are decent considering the timeframe. And I beleve VI would have one of the best stories, if it wasn't for the thrown together WOR. If you want to call something an abomination, look at FFIX and VIII. The only thing VIII has going for it was the story line. The junction system was utter sh.t and magic was completely pointless (except in said junction system). Also, the upgrading of weapons was pretty lame. Ryan >Say what you will. The music was wonderful, not compared to the crap in >FFX. The grafix are decent considering the timeframe. And I beleve VI >would have one of the best stories, if it wasn't for the thrown together >WOR. If you want to call something an abomination, look at FFIX and VIII. FF6's story was full of thrown-together cliches, not just in the WoR. That would've been forgivable if some of the characters were even passingly interesting for more than a few moments at a time or the gameplay was any good, but that wasn't to be. >The only thing VIII has going for it was the story line. The junction Also the gameplay and the characterization. And the graphics. And some of the music. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" >>Say what you will. The music was wonderful, not compared to the crap >>in FFX. The grafix are decent considering the timeframe. And I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > passingly interesting for more than a few moments at a time or the > gameplay was any good, but that wasn't to be. You are forgetting about the incredible importance of Wagnerian leitmotif in characterization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would Darth Vader, or CEFCA(not using the gay gaijin spelling) be nearly as sinister were it not for their leitmotif themes, and characteristic sounds?!?!?!? (Vader's ventilator, Kefka's evil laugh). ALSO YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON THE GREAT CHARACTERIZATIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE AMERICAN TRANSLATED VERSION. -- Corwin (Ring of the Nibelung --> Star Wars --> Final Fantasy 6) >> Say what you will. The music was wonderful, not compared to the >> crap in FFX. The grafix are decent considering the timeframe. And [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > passingly interesting for more than a few moments at a time or the > gameplay was any good, but that wasn't to be. *cups hands to ears* lalalalalal I'm not listening. I thought they were interesting. >> The only thing VIII has going for it was the story line. The >> junction > > Also the gameplay and the characterization. And the graphics. And > some of the music. Characterization I'll agree. I'll loop that with the story. Graphics, yes, were good. As well as some of the music. But the gameplay sucked. Admit it. Junction was the worst system ever. Even the esper system was more fun. > Rob > ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net Ryan ^_^ >Characterization I'll agree. I'll loop that with the story. Graphics, yes, >were good. As well as some of the music. But the gameplay sucked. Admit >it. Junction was the worst system ever. Even the esper system was more >fun. If you don't know how to play, I suppose that would be true. Or if you don't like gameplay that requires some thought. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" >> Characterization I'll agree. I'll loop that with the story. >> Graphics, yes, were good. As well as some of the music. But the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Rob > ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net Always the counter isn't it. That is a worthy assumption though. Some thought yes, but not alot. It was just annoying. But yes, I know how the system works, I just didn't like it. About the only reason I hung on like I did was because of the story and characters. Ryan > >The only thing VIII has going for it was the story line. The junction > > Also the gameplay and the characterization. And the graphics. And > some of the music. What he said. :-) > Say what you will. The music was wonderful, not compared to the crap in > FFX. Say what?? Crappy music in FFX? When I started the game the first time, watching the prologue, I just felt in love with FFX music. I don't know about FFVI or earlier releases, but playing back FFVII now, I just reached a conclusion: it's not possible to make a comparision. They are two complitely different styles. >The grafix are decent considering the timeframe. And I beleve VI > would have one of the best stories, if it wasn't for the thrown together > WOR. If you want to call something an abomination, look at FFIX and VIII. FFVIII in my opinion is good, but not that good. With that I really hated any time a battle was starting. I felt a kind of frustration doing that. When I played it the first time my ex girlfriend (yeah, I know... My name is pronounce Mee-keh-leh, it's an Italian male name...) wanted to leave me. ;-) She just couldn't stand it. And she IS a videogames woman. > The only thing VIII has going for it was the story line. The junction > system was utter sh.t, Well, let's call it difficult to operate. Once you understand it is pretty much straightforward. > and magic was completely pointless (except in said > junction system). Also, the upgrading of weapons was pretty lame. I agree about the upgrading. I reached the end twice and I could not upgrade the weapons to a decent level. Ciao, Michele >>The grafix are decent considering the timeframe. And I beleve VI >> would have one of the best stories, if it wasn't for the thrown together [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >She just couldn't stand it. And she IS a videogames woman. Maybe you should've played My Little Pony! Rob (Or one of those Mary Kate and Ashley games) ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" > > Just a small note. In FFVIII, the monsters lvl with you. So the game is > > actually EASIER the less you lvl. You just have to know how to junction. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sorry. I'm done griping now. Proceed as before. CLEARLY YOU ARE JUST A GRAPHICS WHORE. >> "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message >news:<P_WdnaFtDsrxRC3d4p2dnA@dundee.net>... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >CLEARLY YOU ARE JUST A GRAPHICS WHORE. 2D FOREVER Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" >>> "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message >> news:<P_WdnaFtDsrxRC3d4p2dnA@dundee.net>... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > 2D FOREVER IAWTP......well I do. Ryan > >>> "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message > >> news:<P_WdnaFtDsrxRC3d4p2dnA@dundee.net>... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > IAWTP......well I do. Nostalgia is clouding your vision. Signature"How can one little insulated wire bring so much happiness?" H.S. > > >>> "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message > > >> news:<P_WdnaFtDsrxRC3d4p2dnA@dundee.net>... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Nostalgia is clouding your vision. Clouding it with PIXELS! -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com >>>>> "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message >>>> news:<P_WdnaFtDsrxRC3d4p2dnA@dundee.net>... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Nostalgia is clouding your vision. Has nothing to do with nostalgia. Most 3d games suck. There are a few exceptions to that rule. Ryan >>>>>> "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:<P_WdnaFtDsrxRC3d4p2dnA@dundee.net>... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Has nothing to do with nostalgia. Most 3d games suck. There are a few >exceptions to that rule. Yeah, it's nostalgia. I'm playing NES games right now, and I can tell you that 2D games are just as bad. Or just as good, depending on how you want to look at it. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" >>>>>>> "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:<P_WdnaFtDsrxRC3d4p2dnA@dundee.net>... [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Rob > ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net The designers had less to work with back then so they had to focus more on gameplay. Unlike games today which focus more on grafix than anything else. Ryan > >> I dunno. If anyone > >> played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right now!!! [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Ciao, > Michele You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse Square for making such a crap game. Play FFVII again laters Dj > You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse Square > for making such a crap game. > Play FFVII again You guys made me curious about FFVII again. I already thought to play it all over indeed. Sober this time. :-) I remember the story with Sephirot was just AMAZING!!! I might leave GTA Vice City as something to play once in a while, for the fun of it. I like that game, I mean, it is lovely to drive around Miami, stealing cars, doing some missions and stuff like that, But I much prefer a game with a solid story behind. I'll see. Ciao, Michele > > You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse Square > > for making such a crap game. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > around Miami, stealing cars, doing some missions and stuff like that, But I > much prefer a game with a solid story behind. I'll see. I played FFVII after I played FFX and the graphics and controls were a bit backwards at first, but I soon got used to it with the story and all. >> You guys made me curious about FFVII again. I already thought to play it >> all over indeed. Sober this time. :-) I remember the story with Sephirot [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I played FFVII after I played FFX and the graphics and controls were a bit > backwards at first, but I soon got used to it with the story and all. Well, you guys did it. I will start FFVII right now!! :-) Ciao, Michele > > >> I dunno. If anyone > > >> played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right now!!! [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > for making such a crap game. > Play FFVII again ;-; FFX2 4 evaa....... -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Ramen Junkie: >> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse >> Square for making such a crap game. >> Play FFVII again > ;-; > > FFX2 4 evaa....... You've already been brainwashed by the DDR. The Commu-Nazis are coming back, through shitty video game music! SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ On Tue, 25 May 2004 11:53:18 +1200, Jonathan McArthur spoketh >Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Ramen Junkie: >>> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >The Commu-Nazis are coming back, through shitty video game music! Isn't "Commu-Nazi" a contradiction in itself? Communists are left-wing, while Nazis are right-wing. Lars M. Hansen http://www.hansenonline.net (replace 'badnews' with 'news' in e-mail address) Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Lars M. Hansen: >>>> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse >>>> Square for making such a crap game. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Isn't "Commu-Nazi" a contradiction in itself? Communists are > left-wing, while Nazis are right-wing. WELL sh.t I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE JOKE P.S. DDR = DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION P.P.S. DDR ALSO = DEUTSCHE DEMOKRATISCHE REPUBLIK P.P.P.S. DEUTSCHE DEMOKRATISCHE REPUBLIK = EAST GERMANY P.P.P.P.S. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:09:18 +1200, Jonathan McArthur spoketh >> Isn't "Commu-Nazi" a contradiction in itself? Communists are >> left-wing, while Nazis are right-wing. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >P.P.P.P.S. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? Yeah. Your caps lock seems to be stuck... Lars M. Hansen www.hansenonline.net Remove "bad" from my e-mail address to contact me. "If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?" Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Lars M. Hansen: >>> Isn't "Commu-Nazi" a contradiction in itself? Communists are >>> left-wing, while Nazis are right-wing. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> P.P.P.P.S. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? > Yeah. Your caps lock seems to be stuck... REALLY? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WOULD BE CAUSING THAT SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:37:37 +1200, Jonathan McArthur spoketh >Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Lars M. Hansen: >>>> Isn't "Commu-Nazi" a contradiction in itself? Communists are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >REALLY? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WOULD BE CAUSING THAT Caffeine? Lars M. Hansen www.hansenonline.net Remove "bad" from my e-mail address to contact me. "If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?" > On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:37:37 +1200, Jonathan McArthur spoketh > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Caffeine? Sexual frustration? Ryan On Tue, 25 May 2004 03:28:44 -0400, DarkSheer spoketh >> On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:37:37 +1200, Jonathan McArthur spoketh >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Ryan Allergies! The pollen count here in the northeastern USA have been very high throughout the month of May... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/pollen010510.html Lars M. Hansen www.hansenonline.net Remove "bad" from my e-mail address to contact me. "If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?" > On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:09:18 +1200, Jonathan McArthur spoketh > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Yeah. Your caps lock seems to be stuck... That's not a question. > Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Lars M. Hansen: > >>>> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > P.P.P.P.S. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'm convinced. ZEIG HEIL -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Ramen Junkie: > >> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You've already been brainwashed by the DDR. Possibly. Also CHICKS WITH GUNS! -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Ramen Junkie: >>>> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse >>>> Square for making such a crap game. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> You've already been brainwashed by the DDR. > Possibly. Also CHICKS WITH GUNS! More the subliminal Commu-Nazi messages contained within the atrocious bubblegum/J-pop music in those games. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Ramen Junkie: >>> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The Commu-Nazis are coming back, Damn... why even in a videogames newgroup there is always someone that has to end it up with political bollocks? Not to mention the Godwin's rule just since your first post. > through shitty video game music! That game sucks, I agree (well, I started the thread, so you may know.. ;-) ). But I did not see any nazy-communist propaganda in FFX-2, actually it is the other way around... In most FF games the Good are the terrorists, and the Bad is the Establishment. Ciao, Michele Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Michele Dall'Agata: >>>> You got that right, put FFX-2 in a skip along with IX and curse >>>> Square for making such a crap game. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that has to end it up with political bollocks? Not to mention the > Godwin's rule just since your first post. Uh. What? How is that "political bollocks"? And what has Godwin got to do with this? >> through shitty video game music! > That game sucks, I agree (well, I started the thread, so you may > know.. ;-) ). But I did not see any nazy-communist propaganda in > FFX-2, actually it is the other way around... In most FF games the > Good are the terrorists, and the Bad is the Establishment. Oh for f.ck's sake Michele, I wasn't being serious. What the hell is wrong with people these days? Who in their right mind would ever read "Commu-Nazi" and think it was serious? Like similarly-missing-the-point Lars said, it's clearly contradictory. I would have said "obviously contradictory, to the point of being ludricrous", but I guess that's relative. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Michele > Dall'Agata: >>>> FFX2 4 evaa....... >>> You've already been brainwashed by the DDR. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And what has Godwin got to do with this? Well, just to explain. The Godwin's rule states that more an Usenet discussion goes on and closer to 1 is the probability that someone makes a comparision with or calls someone as "nazi". >>> through shitty video game music! >> That game sucks, I agree (well, I started the thread, so you may [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh for f.ck's sake Michele, I wasn't being serious. Aw... sorry. It is just that I saw a flamewar started after your post. >What the hell is > wrong with people these days? Who in their right mind would ever read > "Commu-Nazi" and think it was serious? How long have you been in uselessnet? :-D >Like similarly-missing-the-point > Lars said, it's clearly contradictory. I would have said "obviously > contradictory, to the point of being ludricrous", but I guess that's > relative. Well, that would really go into a political debate and it is something that for sure I do not want to do in an amusement newsgroup. Here I just want to talk about games, fantasy and and digital fairytales. Anyway, just to make you understanding my point, the fact is that for many people there is not too much difference between nazis and the commies. Anyhow... Ciao, Michele Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Michele Dall'Agata: >>>>> FFX2 4 evaa....... >>>> You've already been brainwashed by the DDR. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > discussion goes on and closer to 1 is the probability that someone > makes a comparision with or calls someone as "nazi". Yeah, I know. But I did neither of those things. >>>> through shitty video game music! >>> That game sucks, I agree (well, I started the thread, so you may [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Oh for f.ck's sake Michele, I wasn't being serious. > Aw... sorry. It is just that I saw a flamewar started after your post. Not so much a flamewar as people [somehow] taking something stupid seriously. >> What the hell is >> wrong with people these days? Who in their right mind would ever read >> "Commu-Nazi" and think it was serious? > How long have you been in uselessnet? :-D About six years, maybe? >> Like similarly-missing-the-point >> Lars said, it's clearly contradictory. I would have said "obviously [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > newsgroup. Here I just want to talk about games, fantasy and and > digital fairytales. You *are* free not to participate in any thread that displeases you, you know. > Anyway, just to make you understanding my point, the fact is that for > many people there is not too much difference between nazis and the > commies. Anyhow... Well, those people are in need of some education. Not my problem. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Michele > Dall'Agata: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not so much a flamewar as people [somehow] taking something stupid > seriously. Or possibly people imitating a flame war. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com >> Oh for f.ck's sake Michele, I wasn't being serious. > >Aw... sorry. It is just that I saw a flamewar started after your post. What? Where? Rob (We must have very different definitions of "flamewar") ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" >>> Oh for f.ck's sake Michele, I wasn't being serious. >> >> Aw... sorry. It is just that I saw a flamewar started after your post. > > What? Where? Well, listen. Once a flamewar about the beheaded American started just in this newsgroup, and in this newsgroup only. I mean, I do understand crosspostings, but to start a flamewar about something so serious in a videogame newsgroup? That's sick. So, sorry if I misunderstood this one. > Rob (We must have very different definitions of "flamewar") I hope now I cleared it up. Ciao, Michele >>>> Oh for f.ck's sake Michele, I wasn't being serious. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Well, listen. Once a flamewar about the beheaded American started just in >this newsgroup, and in this newsgroup only. I mean, I do understand Again, we must have very different definitions of "flame war." The last flame war I remember was the thread with alt.flame.niggers. >crosspostings, but to start a flamewar about something so serious in a >videogame newsgroup? That's sick. So, sorry if I misunderstood this one. If we didn't discuss anything outside of video games here, this group would be a lot more boring than it already is. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" >Oh for f.ck's sake Michele, I wasn't being serious. What the hell is >wrong with people these days? Who in their right mind would ever read >"Commu-Nazi" and think it was serious? Like similarly-missing-the-point >Lars said, it's clearly contradictory. I would have said "obviously >contradictory, to the point of being ludricrous", but I guess that's >relative. Yesterday I replied to a post on /. that talked about how Hef isn't a sleazy pornographer because he did a lot for society by making people realize that you don't need to be married to have a good life. The reply said that that was why he was a sleazy pornographer, just like the "evil homersexuals" trying to ruin marriage, and that they should all go back to Africa where they belong. The reply got a Flamebait mod almost as soon as I made it. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" I replayed FFVIII just recently, but I got stuck with Omega > Weapon (I am not even level 100) after spending hours going down. I like it, > but in both FFVIII and FFVII the final bosses were far too strong for my > skills. Ultimecia is just a nightmare. I beat the Omega Weapon and Ultimecia very easily with some Meltdowns, Auras and the Angelwing/Renzokuken limit breaks. It was too easy. I didn't even use GF. After you defeat the Omega Weapon you can refine Eden's card for 100 Mega-elixirs. Very helpful for fighting Ultimecia, especially considering her Hell's Judgment spell. Also, a note on the Angel Wing limit break. Rinoa will not cast spells she doesn't have and she's not exactly random either. I made the Ultima spell first in the list and removed annoying things like Scan. She used the Ultima spell about 85% of the time. Meteor is just as good! :-) -Jessica > I replayed FFVIII just recently, but I got stuck with Omega > > Weapon (I am not even level 100) after spending hours going down. I like [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > first in the list and removed annoying things like Scan. She used the Ultima > spell about 85% of the time. Meteor is just as good! :-) Yep thats the tried and tested way, most of the time I just used Renzokuken hoping for lionheart to turn up at the end, but I enjoyed using zen's limit breat also just for variety, don't think I even used Angel wing more than twice for the whole game, never been a big magic user! laters Dj >> I replayed FFVIII just recently, but I got stuck with Omega >>> Weapon (I am not even level 100) after spending hours going down. I like [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Angel wing more than twice for the whole game, never been a big magic > user! So what did I do wrong that I do not have all the overdrives of any character? Is it just me, or without the Internet FAQs and/or the Official Strategy Guides it is nearly impossible to get at least 80-90% out of a Final Fantasy game? Well, I am now playing back FFVII , as I said I was going to do. 5 hours so far. I like it much more than FFVIII. The graphics is kind of naive, but after a while one gets used to that and the environments make it seems like to live a fairytale. So far I did not see any possible trick (I reached floor 60 when rescuing Aeris). But I am going to download the FAQ right now. Just to be sure. I didn't do it with FFVIII and I got stuck again. Ciao, Michele > >> I replayed FFVIII just recently, but I got stuck with Omega > >>> Weapon (I am not even level 100) after spending hours going down. I like [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > floor 60 when rescuing Aeris). But I am going to download the FAQ right now. > Just to be sure. I didn't do it with FFVIII and I got stuck again. I generally start out a game without a walkthrough, but always end up following one. I like to complete things as much as possible the first time I play, if possible. I wanted to ask people about something you raised above. Do you really think you would be able to complete the game getting many of the more hidden things along the way without a walkthrough? More precisely what percentage of the game would you be able to complete without some sort of aid? Well you can complete the game without help, but would you be able to stumble across some or many of the sidequests? For example in FFX I would not have known how to get Anima without a guide to help me. Signature"How can one little insulated wire bring so much happiness?" H.S. > I generally start out a game without a walkthrough, but always end up > following one. I like to complete things as much as possible the first time [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > some or many of the sidequests? For example in FFX I would not have known > how to get Anima without a guide to help me. FFVII & FFVIII could be completed without a guide to 95-100% complete, you just have to explore everywhere. X as you say was different I wouldn't have got anima either if it wern't for a guide and maybe not the celestrial weapons either. Now X-2 would be virtually impossible to get a high percentage without a guide, as things can't be done if you pass a certain point and things need doing in a correct order, also if you didn't have a guide for it could you really be arsed doing all the sh.t in X-2, I would have just completed it as fast as possible. You get the limit breaks in FFVIII when you upgrade your weapon by creating it, to get your final limits you need to have the best cards and turn them into the required items. Lion heart is your best and final weapon and gives you a killer finish to renzouken, you gotta see it. laters Dj > You get the limit breaks in FFVIII when you upgrade your weapon by > creating it, to get your final limits you need to have the best cards > and turn them into the required items. Lion heart is your best and > final weapon and gives you a killer finish to renzouken, you gotta see > it. Yes I had Lion Heart. I didn't refine any cards for the items though. How much damage did Lion Heart dish out with each strike for you because as far as I remember it was 2000-3000 points damage for me? I thought that was rather weak. I don't think I had very good magic to get harder hits. Signature"How can one little insulated wire bring so much happiness?" H.S. > > You get the limit breaks in FFVIII when you upgrade your weapon by > > creating it, to get your final limits you need to have the best cards [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > as I remember it was 2000-3000 points damage for me? I thought that was > rather weak. I don't think I had very good magic to get harder hits. I pretty sure mine did mutiples of 9999, I had my strength junctioned to 100 Flares so I was strength 255. yea I can remeber thinking "nice" when he first did it, Cos he does a hell of a lot of hits! laters Dj > Yes I had Lion Heart. I didn't refine any cards for the items though. How > much damage did Lion Heart dish out with each strike for you because as far > as I remember it was 2000-3000 points damage for me? I thought that was > rather weak. I don't think I had very good magic to get harder hits. The most highest point damage I got was 7000 or thereabouts on some monsters. > > You get the limit breaks in FFVIII when you upgrade your weapon by > > creating it, to get your final limits you need to have the best cards [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > as I remember it was 2000-3000 points damage for me? I thought that was > rather weak. I don't think I had very good magic to get harder hits. http://68.75.13.40/lameazoid/FF/FF8-1.jpg SQUALL OWNZ J00 -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > > I generally start out a game without a walkthrough, but always end up > > following one. I like to complete things as much as possible the first time [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > X as you say was different I wouldn't have got anima either if it > wern't for a guide and maybe not the celestrial weapons either. There were clues all over to these written in AlBhed. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com In news:alt.games.final-fantasy, "Michele Dall'Agata" <luppolosolitario@virgilio.it-REMOVEME> posted on Sun, 23 May 2004 15:35:27 +0200: > All the ones for Playstation(s). Unfortunately I always played the first 2 > after coming back home from the pubs, so I didn't really understand what I > was doing. %-). I replayed FFVIII just recently, but I got stuck with Omega > Weapon (I am not even level 100) after spending hours going down. I like it, > but in both FFVIII and FFVII the final bosses were far too strong for my > skills. I haven't finished FF VIII, either. Not because I can't, but because something killed off all my party members and I never have gotten back to it. I think it's been about two or three years. I liked the style of FF7 and FF9 more than 8. > Ultimecia is just a nightmare. Maybe I would need to level up much > more, but I tend to get bored levelling up just for the need of it. Worse > then all, after I got used to the PS2 graphics I can't go back too much to > PS1 style anymore. I wanted to play again FFVII but due to its simplistic > graphics in the dungeons I found it boring, now. But I thought it was just > great when it came out. Oh, I don't think it's boring at all. In fact, I still enjoy the first Final Fantasy games with the short, fat blocky characters. Of course, those types were my first experience with electronic RPG's. Dragon Warrior for the original Nintendo ... I played it constantly. Sixteen hours straight the first day I had it at Christmas. I slept, and it was the first thing I did the next day. >> I dunno. If anyone >> played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right now!!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Yes FFX was really good. I still can't decide which I like better: FFVII, >FFVIII or FFX. Which have you played? I definitely prefer FF7 and FF8 over FFX. FF7 and FF8 do not have horrible voice acting and insane linearity. They also have better music. FF7 is easily the best of those three, but don't forget the SNES FF's. -Poe >>> I dunno. If anyone >>> played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right now!!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I definitely prefer FF7 and FF8 over FFX. FF7 and FF8 do not have horrible > voice acting and insane linearity. Well, I agree with the voice acting. That's the only spoiler of the game. Especially Tidus, he sounds so... American, sometimes. ;-) Auron instead is just great, And Rikku is Rikku. But what do you mean with the insane linearity? That it takes you from one place to another without giving you a choice? Actually I loved that. Also it is true only for the first part of the game. Once you reach the airship you are free to go anywhere (well, you could do it before just walking as well) and the quests for Celestial Weapons are not that simple. But I used to be much more of a Tomb Rider player, therefore I am used to linearity. > They also have better music. I dunno. The Hymn in FFX is so spiritual. The battle's music is less shocking then FFVIII. I agree that I remember FVII as the one having the best music. > FF7 is > easily the best of those three, Well, I had that feeling too. I would love to have a remake of FFVII for PS2. That would be perfect I think. Probably I will give it a try. I started yeaterday to play GTA Vice City, but hey!! That thing is really VIOLENT!! I mean, kicking people between the legs with blood coming out? Also I find it very hard, the police always gets after me. >but don't forget the SNES FF's. Sorry, SNES? Ciao, Michele >>>> I dunno. If anyone >>>> played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > that simple. But I used to be much more of a Tomb Rider player, > therefore I am used to linearity. Actually, I didn't mind Tidus very much. His voice fit his character, but I wouldn't say he was a "great" voice actor. Yuna just sucked in general. Auron rocked, and so did Wakka. Rikku, her voice was decent, I guess. >> They also have better music. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sorry, SNES? Super Nintendo Entertainment System. Y'know, from the early 90's. > Ciao, > Michele Ryan > >>>> I dunno. If anyone > >>>> played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > wouldn't say he was a "great" voice actor. Yuna just sucked in general. > Auron rocked, and so did Wakka. Rikku, her voice was decent, I guess. I didn't mind any of the voice actors much. Well Yuna's voice was unessarily weak and breathy, but you can get used to it. I personally liked the idea of having the characters talk because it gives them more character, if you know what I mean. > >> They also have better music. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Super Nintendo Entertainment System. Y'know, from the early 90's. My first console was a Playstation. >>>> but don't forget the SNES FF's. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > My first console was a Playstation. Same here. Well, apart from a Commodore 64 and a PC with a 286 processor. IMVHO the Playstation has been the revolution milestone in videogames consoles. Tomb Raider, FF VII and VIII, Resident Evil, Silent hill.. All just amazing. Even Oddworld, still being bi-dimensional is terrific. Then the PS2 with Metal Gear Solid 2, Medal of Honor and FFX are still the State of the art. I am talking about consoles, not PCs. X BOX? Well, very good hardware (my brother in law modified it and it is an EVERYTHING console: videogames, mp3, DiVX, DVD, and most of them in the 104GB HD he put on it). But the videogames? I don't know. He has 50 of them and the only one I like is "Buffy the vampire slayer" which is out for PS2 as well. Ciao, Michele > >>>> but don't forget the SNES FF's. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > consoles. Tomb Raider, FF VII and VIII, Resident Evil, Silent hill.. All > just amazing. Even Oddworld, still being bi-dimensional is terrific. I liked Abe's Odyssey and Exodus. Exodus with quick save helped a lot. I never actually finished Odyssey, but I did finish Exodus with about 100 Mudokens unsaved IIRC. There are many hidden areas in that game which make it a bit difficult to complete 100%. Sometimes I was unsure of which path to take in case one didn't lead back around so that I could take the other later on. Did you play Munch's Odyssey which was only on the XBox (and PC?)? I don't have an Xbox so I don't know what it's like. Signature"How can one little insulated wire bring so much happiness?" H.S. >> Same here. Well, apart from a Commodore 64 and a PC with a 286 processor. >> IMVHO the Playstation has been the revolution milestone in videogames >> consoles. Tomb Raider, FF VII and VIII, Resident Evil, Silent hill.. All >> just amazing. Even Oddworld, still being bi-dimensional is terrific. > > I liked Abe's Odyssey and Exodus. Yes, they are just great! Just the way he says "helloow!" makes my crying laughing. > Exodus with quick save helped a lot. I > never actually finished Odyssey, but I did finish Exodus with about 100 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > later on. Did you play Munch's Odyssey which was only on the XBox (and > PC?)? I don't have an Xbox so I don't know what it's like. Yes, I played it, now that I remember, but only for 10 minutes or so. I found it a little annoying because I was always falling down from some cliffs. The 3d engine is nice, but the camera can make the movements a little confusing. Or maybe it is just the X Box joypad. To be honest I was expecting a little more, but it is also true that 10 minutes is nothing. Also, if I remember correctly the voices weren't that funny anymore. I dunno, it did not catch my attention too much. Instead I liked Buffy very much. Ciao, Michele > >>> I dunno. If anyone > >>> played FFX-2 without playing FFX, and s/he liked it, buy FFX right [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Well, I agree with the voice acting. That's the only spoiler of the game. > Especially Tidus, he sounds so... American, sometimes. ;-) Auron instead is Japan is gay. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com |
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