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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Final Fantasy / June 2004Hey, remember that FF6 translation of Sky Render's?
http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net  SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "If I was rich I'd hire you to be my personal translater so that I could talk to the average person without annoying or confusing them." --run_the_shadows (Livejournal) referring to me "Let me make something clear to all you anime otaku kawaii ^_^ sons of bitches. WATCHING ANIME IN JAPANESE DOES NOT HELP YOU LEARN JAPANESE. It's a myth created by lazy Japanese language students so they can sit around watching MORASU TAKESHATITI's latest crapfest under the guise that they are learning." --Spokker Jones, SA Weekend Web 4-25-04 > http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt > > On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks > at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game > that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! W00t. MTE. Dan. SignatureDan Posluns - remove the obvious from my e-mail address to reply http://www.danposluns.com ICQ: 35758902 > http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt > > On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks > at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game > that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! They COULD be making hilarious hacks. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.livejournal.com/users/lameazoid/ Old Rob Browning, look at my life, I'm a lot like you were: > http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt > > On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks > at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game > that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! Jesus f.cking Christ the internet is full of losers and no I won't punctuate because this is how it sounds in my head Sheer incredulity denies all possibility of punctuation f.cking RPG dorks SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt > > On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks > at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game > that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! w00t? Adam ---------------------- Relm thinks this rules ---------------------- In a daze, I read Rob Browning's post, then collasped. > http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt > > On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks > at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game > that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! Hurf? Signaturehttp://animehistory.keenspace.com/d/20020310.html http://www.cafeshops.com/creexul.2534632 Charlie Sheen: I'm gonna carve this turkey, WITH MY MANHOOD! http://asagi.sakura.ne.jp/~walhalla/gallery/gallery_image/womb.jpg 1) Sometimes discuss video games as if they're important,2) Ape Jerkcity.com,3) Pretend that Penny Arcade and Nuklear Power are good sites,4) Pretend that AGFF subscribers are the only ones who know that anime sucks,5) hrhfhrufhrhfhrghfgrh So says Rob Browning: > http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt > > On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks > at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game > that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! Lame. Hey, remember Frioniel? - Avenger > So says Rob Browning: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hey, remember Frioniel? "Narrative Gaming" -- Ramen Junkie http://www.livejournal.com/users/lameazoid/ > http://donut.parodius.com/translations/snes/patches/ff6_10.txt > > On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks > at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game > that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! LOL SignatureYou just faced down the SEVERE SEVERE SILVERGUN !!!!! posted by SEVERE SILVERGUN >On behalf of AGFF, I'd like to congratulate Sky Render and the folks >at RPGOne for wasting several years of their lives translating a game >that didn't need to be translated. Good job, guys! I certainly see your point, but I thought it was a cool idea. -Poe Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American > version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements > removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. Very, very arguably. - Steve >> Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American >> version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements >> removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. > >Very, very arguably. I mean, come on. Maybe I could let you get away with saying that it's the best FF (even that's iffy), but best RPG in general? Either you haven't played many RPGs or you have extremely poor taste. BTW, FFT's translation was bafflingly poor. FF6's was quite good considering the restrictions that Woosley worked under. The retranslation wasn't needed at all, and cleared up a few minor points at best. Prove me wrong by giving a few examples of major changes made to the script. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" > BTW, FFT's translation was bafflingly poor. FF6's was quite good > considering the restrictions that Woosley worked under. The > retranslation wasn't needed at all, and cleared up a few minor points > at best. Prove me wrong by giving a few examples of major changes And at the cost of dubious fanboyisms (Cyan/Cayenne) and some very clumsy phrasing - I think I got as far as 'That magic-based-armour-riding witch' before I gave up. Anyway, the comedy mistranslated monster names are the best thing about the FF games: Catcherpillar, Marlboro. Also things like Shiva (which I assume is some kind of misspelling of Shiver). Signature" - Penny, I worry that you are loosing heart... You are not the sweet little girl I once knew. Where's your sense of wonder? - Currently flowing into a sanitary napkin... Guess where my childlike innocence and idle dreams are currently wedged. Come on, I dare you." http://www.huh.34sp.com/ > Anyway, the comedy mistranslated monster names are the best thing about the > FF games: Catcherpillar, Marlboro. Also things like Shiva (which I assume > is some kind of misspelling of Shiver). I'm fairly certain that Shiva is the correct spelling of Shiva, the Hindu god. Dan. SignatureDan Posluns - remove the obvious from my e-mail address to reply http://www.danposluns.com ICQ: 35758902 So says Dan Posluns: > > Anyway, the comedy mistranslated monster names are the best thing about the > > FF games: Catcherpillar, Marlboro. Also things like Shiva (which I assume > > is some kind of misspelling of Shiver). > > I'm fairly certain that Shiva is the correct spelling of Shiva, the > Hindu god. Too bad the Final Fantasy female godess of ice has nothing to do with the Hindu male god of death... - Avenger > So says Dan Posluns: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Hindu > male god of death... Except that FF's Shiva may not actually be female... I remember reading once that the Hindu god Shiva was a notorious cross-dresser. Dan. SignatureDan Posluns - remove the obvious from my e-mail address to reply http://www.danposluns.com ICQ: 35758902 So says Dan Posluns: > > So says Dan Posluns: > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Except that FF's Shiva may not actually be female... I remember reading > once that the Hindu god Shiva was a notorious cross-dresser. Well, not so much that--I think the Hindu gods could appear naturally in the form of either sex. - Avenger >And at the cost of dubious fanboyisms (Cyan/Cayenne) and some very clumsy phrasing - I >think I got as far as 'That magic-based-armour-riding witch' before I gave >up. I hear Sky Render has Asperger's. Incidentally, he's re-re-translating the first part of the game due to the problems you described. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" >> BTW, FFT's translation was bafflingly poor. FF6's was quite good >> considering the restrictions that Woosley worked under. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And at the cost of dubious fanboyisms (Cyan/Cayenne) Literal translation; he is named after the pepper. > and some very clumsy phrasing - I think I got as far as 'That > magic-based-armour-riding witch' before I gave up. Been changed since the original patch. > Anyway, the comedy mistranslated monster names are the best thing > about the FF games: Catcherpillar, Marlboro. Also things like Shiva > (which I assume is some kind of misspelling of Shiver). Shiva is named for the Hindu god of the same name. SignatureZarggg KeyID: 0x6425C4ED <http://www.zarggg.net/> See <http://www.zarggg.net/contact.html> for contact information. So says I V: > > BTW, FFT's translation was bafflingly poor. FF6's was quite good > > considering the restrictions that Woosley worked under. The > > retranslation wasn't needed at all, and cleared up a few minor points > > at best. Prove me wrong by giving a few examples of major changes > > And at the cost of dubious fanboyisms (Cyan/Cayenne)[SNIP] This is the #1 reason I hate the fanslation. > Anyway, the comedy mistranslated monster names are the best thing about the > FF games: Catcherpillar, Marlboro. I agree. Isn't that where Cactrot came from? Cactrot was a hilarious name. - Avenger So says wamiq: > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American > version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements > removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. Pfft, the bulk of the changes were to character, item, monster, and spell names. BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE GAME ITSELF D00D. - Avenger > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American > version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements > removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. Except he's right. Adam ------------------------- There's that snowball now ------------------------- > > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American > > version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > There's that snowball now > ------------------------- You can't light a snowball on fire dood. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a wamiq: > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American > version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements > removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. It's a video game you f.cking ass-twat. How the Christ can a video game be "sorely needed"? SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American > version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements > removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. THE CHARACTERS SAID 'RUN FOR COVER" INSTEAD OF A MORE ACCURATE "RUN FOR SHELTER"!!!!!! Or some other nuisance re: poor translation. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com >Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American >version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements >removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. Since im not aware of any major differences between the translated version and American version. What exactly would have made it any better then it already was? The only thing i know of that would make that game better is skipping that damn Opera scene and not fighting that squid 13 times. Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Techy Guy: >> Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American >> version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The only thing i know of that would make that game better is skipping > that damn Opera scene and not fighting that squid 13 times. How about making the magic system less shite? That Esper w.nk was totally gay, and the "Learning abilities from clothing" style of development is, well, f.cking retarded. Dear Square, please make a game with a refined Junction system, thank you. And don't have a male protagonist who is a) a whiny bitch, b) an obnoxious dickweed or c) both of those. Also, a traitorous usable character. Hmm. That could be cool. And more deaths. Also, no shitty J-pop, no Blitzball, no Tetra Master, no super-deformity, no stupid spirit-of-the-planet bullshit, no lack of world map, no furries, and an explode-in-presence-of-cosplayer feature built into the game disc. Okay, get to work. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ >Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Techy Guy: >>> Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the American [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >world map, no furries, and an explode-in-presence-of-cosplayer feature >built into the game disc. Okay, get to work. So appearantly you hate the whole FF game series. Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Techy Guy: >>>> Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, and the >>>> American version had bafflingly poor translation and had important [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> feature built into the game disc. Okay, get to work. > So appearantly you hate the whole FF game series. Yeah, the same way I hate humanity because some humans form flawed inferences. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ >obnoxious dickweed or c) both of those. Also, a traitorous usable >character. Hmm. That could be cool. And more deaths. Cait Sith wasn't enough for you? Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Walt Whitman believed that the only good Chinaman was a dead Chinaman, so he went to Tiananmen Square and gave them all candy. Except instead of candy he killed them." --Peter Nguyen, "Biography: Walt Whitman" > >obnoxious dickweed or c) both of those. Also, a traitorous usable > >character. Hmm. That could be cool. And more deaths. > > Cait Sith wasn't enough for you? I loved Cait Sith's noble self-sacrifice/death scene. In an instant that moment set the case for video games as a legitimate storytelling medium back to the 80's. Dan. SignatureDan Posluns - remove the obvious from my e-mail address to reply http://www.danposluns.com ICQ: 35758902 > I loved Cait Sith's noble self-sacrifice/death scene. In an instant that > moment set the case for video games as a legitimate storytelling medium > back to the 80's. Particularly when, about 30 seconds later, it was all undermined. Signature- Blaine http://www.bureau42.com ICQ: 24893016 "I may be a total idiot, but I'm not stupid." -- Morph, Exiles #11 Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Rob Browning: >> obnoxious dickweed or c) both of those. Also, a traitorous usable >> character. Hmm. That could be cool. And more deaths. > Cait Sith wasn't enough for you? Turns out I never got that far into VII. If I ever see the game cheap somewhere [unlikely] I'll pick it up, but otherwise, meh. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Turns out I never got that far into VII. If I ever see the game cheap > somewhere [unlikely] I'll pick it up, but otherwise, meh. It is a Greatest Hits title, so I've seen it around for as little as $20 Canadian. The cheap part should be easy, if you can find a place with one in stock. Signature- Blaine http://www.bureau42.com ICQ: 24893016 "The belief in a single truth is the root cause of all evil in the world." -- Max Born Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a W. Blaine Dowler: >> Turns out I never got that far into VII. If I ever see the game cheap >> somewhere [unlikely] I'll pick it up, but otherwise, meh. > It is a Greatest Hits title, so I've seen it around for as little as > $20 Canadian. The cheap part should be easy, if you can find a place > with one in stock. Yeah, I know. It's unlikely that I'll find it, not that it'd be cheap if I did. I've been looking for about two years now. It doesn't seem to be available for sale here any more [and retailers have been phasing out PSX games for a couple of years now -- hardly any older titles available, except for budget kids' games]. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a W. Blaine > Dowler: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > phasing out PSX games for a couple of years now -- hardly any older > titles available, except for budget kids' games]. Are you limited to PAL format? If not, I could probably find a copy here in the states and send it to you. Ryan Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a DarkSheer: >>>> Turns out I never got that far into VII. If I ever see the game >>>> cheap somewhere [unlikely] I'll pick it up, but otherwise, meh. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Are you limited to PAL format? If not, I could probably find a copy > here in the states and send it to you. Yeah, I am. Thanks, though. SignatureJonathan McArthur This one is new: http://www.satoriday.tk/ Falling into disrepair: http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/ > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, FF6 was one of the most uneven games in the series. The lack of a main character was a good idea, the one or two defining character traits of the human characters and the abundance of walking gimmicks was not. The split between the Balance and Ruin was a good idea, the way the 'nonlinearity' in Ruin was implemented, letting you basically pick the order in which you complete basic, unfulfilling 'character quests' rather than giving any real freedom was not. The Esper system was the first taste of the more free-range customization of FF7 or 8, but the ultra-powerful innate skills of people like Edgar, Gogo, Sabin, or Shadow pretty much eliminated the point of letting you pick your favorites. Why use someone who doesn't have access to the most powerful attacks, and never will? And then all the ultra-damage combinations of relics and weapons nullified that for any of the later-game challenges anyway, the same thing that FF7, 8, and 10 get accused of doing, only those have better plots and battle systems. > and the American > version had bafflingly poor translation and had important elements > removed. So this project was sorely needed. Basically, you're wrong. So is there an actual text copy of the new script floating around or would I have to play the patched rom to see the 'changes'? I kinda want to check it out for myself. Better still would be a list of examples why the project was justified like Rob was asking for, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this. -Homyguy Z In a daze, I read Homyguy Z's post, then collasped. > So is there an actual text copy of the new script floating around or > would I have to play the patched rom to see the 'changes'? I kinda > want to check it out for myself. I'd like to see that myself. I've heard of a "crack" attack Signaturehttp://animehistory.keenspace.com/d/20020310.html http://www.cafeshops.com/creexul.2534632 Charlie Sheen: I'm gonna carve this turkey, WITH MY MANHOOD! http://asagi.sakura.ne.jp/~walhalla/gallery/gallery_image/womb.jpg T Iceduck: For the record T Iceduck: I think that post is mean http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushcrimefamily.htm > > Actually, FF6j is arguably the best RPG of all time, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > challenges anyway, the same thing that FF7, 8, and 10 get accused of doing, > only those have better plots and battle systems. You are right about some stuff and wrong about some other stuff. I can't be bothered to point out which, though. Dan. SignatureDan Posluns - remove the obvious from my e-mail address to reply http://www.danposluns.com ICQ: 35758902 > And then all the ultra-damage > combinations of relics and weapons nullified that for any of the > later-game challenges anyway, the same thing that FF7, 8, and 10 get > accused of doing, Yes > only those have better plots and battle systems. No SignatureYou just faced down the SEVERE SEVERE SILVERGUN !!!!! posted by SEVERE SILVERGUN >> And then all the ultra-damage >> combinations of relics and weapons nullified that for any of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No I agree 100% with silvergun. Ryan >>> And then all the ultra-damage >>> combinations of relics and weapons nullified that for any of the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I agree 100% with silvergun. Then you're 50% wrong, obviously. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "'Hey, you know how you told interviewers that Final Fantasy VII contained the meaning of life? I'm just wondering, is that part of the game hidden because I never found it. Also is the fun part of the game hidden because I never found that either.' The next thing I remember I was laying on the floor with Hironobu Sakaguchi standing over me saying 'Looks like he had an allergic reaction ...to my fist!' --Jed Kirchner, Something Awful June 17 In a daze, I read Rob Browning's post, then collasped. > Then you're 50% wrong, obviously. What if it was a glass? Signaturehttp://animehistory.keenspace.com/d/20020310.html http://www.cafeshops.com/creexul.2534632 Charlie Sheen: I'm gonna carve this turkey, WITH MY MANHOOD! http://asagi.sakura.ne.jp/~walhalla/gallery/gallery_image/womb.jpg T Iceduck: For the record T Iceduck: I think that post is mean http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushcrimefamily.htm In article <cec9426c062f8f45d55fadca9d4e2023@news.teranews.com>, "Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic" <pahsonspam@juno.com> wrote: > In a daze, I read Rob Browning's post, then collasped. > > > Then you're 50% wrong, obviously. > > What if it was a glass? I am SO unsubscribing from this newsgroup the moment I get a life. Dan. SignatureDan Posluns - remove the obvious from my e-mail address to reply http://www.danposluns.com ICQ: 35758902 >In article <cec9426c062f8f45d55fadca9d4e2023@news.teranews.com>, > "Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic" <pahsonspam@juno.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I am SO unsubscribing from this newsgroup the moment I get a life. You're in for a wait. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "'Hey, you know how you told interviewers that Final Fantasy VII contained the meaning of life? I'm just wondering, is that part of the game hidden because I never found it. Also is the fun part of the game hidden because I never found that either.' The next thing I remember I was laying on the floor with Hironobu Sakaguchi standing over me saying 'Looks like he had an allergic reaction ...to my fist!' --Jed Kirchner, Something Awful June 17 > >In article <cec9426c062f8f45d55fadca9d4e2023@news.teranews.com>, > > "Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic" <pahsonspam@juno.com> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You're in for a wait. Yeah, I know. Dan. SignatureDan Posluns - remove the obvious from my e-mail address to reply http://www.danposluns.com ICQ: 35758902 > >In article <cec9426c062f8f45d55fadca9d4e2023@news.teranews.com>, > > "Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic" <pahsonspam@juno.com> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You're in for a wait. Ouch. Where did everyone in this group go anyway? I'm not sure I've ever seen it so barren. Balthasar SignatureLife contains but two tragedies. One is not to get your heart's desire; the other is to get it. --Socrates "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu, The Art of War >>> In article <cec9426c062f8f45d55fadca9d4e2023@news.teranews.com>, >>> "Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Balthasar I know. I guess FFXI scared everyone away. Ryan >>>> And then all the ultra-damage >>>> combinations of relics and weapons nullified that for any of the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Rob > ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net You could be right, but not about what your getting at. Ryan |
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