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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Final Fantasy / March 2004(FFX-2) Well, it's over... *possible spoilers*
At 55% ... level 69, 62, and 60 ... I beat the game. And I'm *very* disappointed! First and foremost, Vegnagun was *WEAK*. I'm really surprised as to how weak his attacks were! And Shuyin was a real pushover. The Terror of Zanarkand attack was pretty cool, but all in all, there was never a need for any panic. I like how Auron and Jecht's voices are 'coaching' you along. Too bad you don't get to see them (or do you?) The "reunion" with Tidus was pretty lame, and the last FMV wasn't anything to shake a stick at. There's a LOT of unresolved questions that I guess you have to get closer to 100% to get answered... Like in Sphere 8, Why did Nooj shoot Gippal and Balari? What was that all about? I guess I'll have to go through the game again, make sure to visit all the places in all the chapters. Thoughts on the ending??? Yours Truly, Your Paragon of Virtual Reality, Torrey M. Spears Tuesday Morning Booker Dude *** 2004 *** "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming..." Dream -- Forest For The Trees In defince of the Ennui Edicts, Torrey M. Spears wrote: >Like in Sphere 8, Why did Nooj shoot Gippal and Balari? What was that all >about? Visit the Den of Woe when you have all ten spheres. It's optional, but it fills in a lot of the gaps in the plot. -- Eyeglazer, Lord of Boredom. Abandon hope, and ye abolish fear. > At 55% ... level 69, 62, and 60 ... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > First and foremost, Vegnagun was *WEAK*. I'm really surprised as to how > weak his attacks were! Yes, very. > I like how Auron and Jecht's voices are 'coaching' you along. Too bad you > don't get to see them (or do you?) I'm pretty sure that was Nooj, Baralai, and Gippal. Nooj sounds a lot like Auron though. > The "reunion" with Tidus was pretty lame, and the last FMV wasn't anything > to shake a stick at. Get 100%. > Like in Sphere 8, Why did Nooj shoot Gippal and Balari? What was that all > about? Maybe he was posessed by the devil. > I guess I'll have to go through the game again, make sure to visit all the > places in all the chapters. > > Thoughts on the ending??? The ending was generally dumb, but then the main plot line was also kind of dumb. I was more interested in the many subplots than the main storyline. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > > At 55% ... level 69, 62, and 60 ... > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I'm pretty sure that was Nooj, Baralai, and Gippal. Nooj sounds a lot like > Auron though. No he was right it was Auron and Jecht. > > The "reunion" with Tidus was pretty lame, and the last FMV wasn't anything > > to shake a stick at. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Maybe he was posessed by the devil. It was to keep the spirit of Shuyin from possessing them. If i remember correctly that plan failed so they had to go with Yuna's plan. > > I guess I'll have to go through the game again, make sure to visit all the > > places in all the chapters. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.lameazoid.com On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:12:01 GMT, bruce hartley spoketh >> I'm pretty sure that was Nooj, Baralai, and Gippal. Nooj sounds a lot >like >> Auron though. > >No he was right it was Auron and Jecht. The only spot where Auron and Jecht are present are in chapter 5 when they meet up with Maechen(sp?) at Zanarkand. All the chit-chat on those crimson spheres are Noojie-Woojie, Baralai and the guy Rikku has/had a crush on (Gippal). >> Maybe he was posessed by the devil. > >It was to keep the spirit of Shuyin from possessing them. If i remember >correctly that plan failed so they had to go with Yuna's plan. I think it's the same reason why Shuyin killed all the other Crimson Squad members: So they wouldn't become a threat to him and Vegnagun. Lars M. Hansen www.hansenonline.net Remove "bad" from my e-mail address to contact me. > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:12:01 GMT, bruce hartley spoketh > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > crimson spheres are Noojie-Woojie, Baralai and the guy Rikku has/had a > crush on (Gippal). Yeah, for Auron and Jecht to be doing the talking makes no sense plot wise or anywise. > >> Maybe he was posessed by the devil. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think it's the same reason why Shuyin killed all the other Crimson > Squad members: So they wouldn't become a threat to him and Vegnagun. Yeah, something like that. Basically, Shuyin was evil, and was in control of Nooj. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > Yeah, for Auron and Jecht to be doing the talking makes no sense plot wise > or anywise. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.lameazoid.com Why not, they're in the Farplane aren't they? > > Yeah, for Auron and Jecht to be doing the talking makes no sense plot wise > > or anywise. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Why not, they're in the Farplane aren't they? Except they don't show up at all otherwise except in one obscure optional cutscene. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com I heard Ramen Junkie, a noted fan of the Tuesday Morning Booker, dropped this piece of knowledge on 3/1/04 7:41 PM: >>> Yeah, for Auron and Jecht to be doing the talking makes no sense plot > wise [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Ramen Junkie But it makes a nice prelude to your visit with Tidus... I think it makes perfect sense. Yours Truly, Your Paragon of Virtual Reality, Torrey M. Spears Tuesday Morning Booker Dude *** 2004 *** "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming..." Dream -- Forest For The Trees > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:12:01 GMT, bruce hartley spoketh > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yeah, for Auron and Jecht to be doing the talking makes no sense plot wise > or anywise. At the end of the game, Auron and Jecht are guiding Yuna by talking to her. Listen carefully. >> I like how Auron and Jecht's voices are 'coaching' you along. Too bad you >> don't get to see them (or do you?) > I'm pretty sure that was Nooj, Baralai, and Gippal. Nooj sounds a lot like > Auron though. I also thoght it was Auron and Jecht. Are there any parts of the game where Auron and Jecht DO speak? They're listed in the credits.  Signature"BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! BROCK LESNAR!!!!!" - Brock Lesnar BROCK (BRAWK): (1) Noun. The next big thing: BROCK is the WWE Undisputed champion. (2) Verb. To yell "BLAAAA!!! BROCK LESNAR!!!" while doing a forward flex, holding the flex position, contorting one's face and sticking out their tongue: We BROCKed our bar; I love BROCKing people. > >> I like how Auron and Jecht's voices are 'coaching' you along. Too bad you > >> don't get to see them (or do you?) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I also thoght it was Auron and Jecht. Are there any parts of the game > where Auron and Jecht DO speak? They're listed in the credits. I think there was a flashback during one of the storylines. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com I heard Ramen Junkie, a noted fan of the Tuesday Morning Booker, dropped this piece of knowledge on 2/13/04 11:38 PM: >>>> I like how Auron and Jecht's voices are 'coaching' you along. Too bad > you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I think there was a flashback during one of the storylines. Are you sure...? Because when you go to New Game Plus, and check out Shinra's Dossiers, Jecht, Auron, and Yuna's dad are all listed there. Yours Truly, Your Paragon of Virtual Reality, Torrey M. Spears Tuesday Morning Booker Dude *** 2004 *** "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming..." Dream -- Forest For The Trees > I heard Ramen Junkie, a noted fan of the Tuesday Morning Booker, dropped > this piece of knowledge on 2/13/04 11:38 PM: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Are you sure...? Because when you go to New Game Plus, and check out > Shinra's Dossiers, Jecht, Auron, and Yuna's dad are all listed there. Yeah, they appear in a flashback. Actually during their dossiers may be when they speak. I know most of the characters in the dossiers speak. Anyway, if you listen to the old man speak all the way through each time he shows up and let him shake your hand, he will appear in Chapter 5 in Zanarkand. I think he mentions something about how he once met Yuna's dad or something and there is a short scene of the three of them sitting around the fire similar to where the gang sat by the fire in FFX1 -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > > I heard Ramen Junkie, a noted fan of the Tuesday Morning Booker, dropped > > this piece of knowledge on 2/13/04 11:38 PM: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Yeah, they appear in a flashback. Actually during their dossiers may be > when they speak. No, they speak during the battle with Vegnagun. Go to the final battle and listen carefully. > > > I heard Ramen Junkie, a noted fan of the Tuesday Morning Booker, dropped > > > this piece of knowledge on 2/13/04 11:38 PM: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > No, they speak during the battle with Vegnagun. Go to the final battle and > listen carefully. That is still lame. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > > > > I heard Ramen Junkie, a noted fan of the Tuesday Morning Booker, > dropped [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > That is still lame. That's your opinion, mate. Clyde B wrote on 06 Mar 04 15:04: >>>>> I heard Ramen Junkie, a noted fan of the Tuesday Morning >>>>> Booker, dropped this piece of knowledge on 2/13/04 11:38 PM: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > That's your opinion, mate. And no one has stated otherwise. SignatureZarggg KeyID: 0xC00D540D <http://www.zarggg.net/> See <http://www.zarggg.net/contact.html> for contact information. > Clyde B wrote on 06 Mar 04 15:04: > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > And no one has stated otherwise. Who said they did? >Subject: Re: (FFX-2) Well, it's over... *possible spoilers* >From: "Ramen Junkie EIT" lameazoid@gamebox.nett [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >That is still lame. Not as lame as that historian being a wandering unsent. Did the writers of X-2 forget their own game? As if horny for incest Brother wasn't bad enough. > >Subject: Re: (FFX-2) Well, it's over... *possible spoilers* > >From: "Ramen Junkie EIT" lameazoid@gamebox.nett [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Not as lame as that historian being a wandering unsent. Did the writers of X-2 > forget their own game? As if horny for incest Brother wasn't bad enough. I don't see what's so wrong with that. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > > >> I like how Auron and Jecht's voices are 'coaching' you along. Too bad > you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I think there was a flashback during one of the storylines. *sigh* *it is* Auron and Jecht talking to Yuna during the battle with Vegnagun. > At 55% ... level 69, 62, and 60 ... > > I beat the game. Actually, unless you've conquered the secret dungeon "Via Infinito" you really haven't- the game's toughest bosses are located there... wait until you fight Trema, he he heh.... Oh, and don't even think about going up against him until you're at level 99 with all the girls... >Subject: (FFX-2) Well, it's over... *possible spoilers* >From: "Torrey M. Spears" tspears1@tampabay.rr.com >Date: 2/13/2004 8:09 AM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <BC523638.14D12%tspears1@tampabay.rr.com> >I like how Auron and Jecht's voices are 'coaching' you along. Too bad you >don't get to see them (or do you?) Despite what others have said in this thread you are right that it was Auron and Jecht and I liked it too. One of Auron's lines when fighting Shuyin, I think it was "get that crybaby," was funny since it could have been discribing Tidus as well. There's also a cool scene in Zanarkand chapter 5 where you find out the truth of the old historian and you get to see them. It wasn't something I got until the second or third time through. >The "reunion" with Tidus was pretty lame, and the last FMV wasn't anything >to shake a stick at. After playing the game the first time through I said I liked it since it respected X's ending. Obviously I didn't get that ending yet and yes it was dumb .>There's a LOT of unresolved questions that I guess you have to get closer to >100% to get answered... > >Like in Sphere 8, Why did Nooj shoot Gippal and Balari? What was that all >about? You should play again at one point and get all the crimson spheres that cave is one of the cooler parts of the game IMO and answers that and all questions. >I guess I'll have to go through the game again, make sure to visit all the >places in all the chapters. >Thoughts on the ending??? The normal ending sucked. The good and perfect endings made it go from bad to horrible. >> Subject: (FFX-2) Well, it's over... *possible spoilers* >> From: "Torrey M. Spears" tspears1@tampabay.rr.com [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > The normal ending sucked. The good and perfect endings made it go > from bad to horrible. Why? I thought the perfect ending was pretty good. I hate it when the main character dies after acomplishing so much. Bringing him back made a happier ending all around. That's why I hated the ending to the movie Gladiator. It would have been better if he hadn't of died. Ryan "DarkSheer" <rdettl__@__dundee.net> wrote in message news:2c-dnQsLTKbp47LdRVn- gQ@dundee.net... > >> Subject: (FFX-2) Well, it's over... *possible spoilers* > >> From: "Torrey M. Spears" tspears1@tampabay.rr.com [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ending all around. That's why I hated the ending to the movie Gladiator. > It would have been better if he hadn't of died. Self sacrifice is meaningless if it can be reversed. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com "Ramen Junkie" <lameazoid@gamebox.nett> wrote in news:cBMXb.10602$yS6.4806 @newssvr31.news.prodigy.com: > Self sacrifice is meaningless if it can be reversed. Exactly. The whole point of FFX's ending was that Tidus did all that fighting to save the world from Sin, despite knowing that it would cause him to cease to exist. Having Tidus return in FFX-2 doesn't reflect poorly on FFX-2, but it makes everything FFX was about seem like a joke. SignatureAIM: FrznFoodClerk email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m) website: under construction Need a technician in the south Jersey area? email/IM for rates/services > "Ramen Junkie" <lameazoid@gamebox.nett> wrote in news:cBMXb.10602$yS6.4806 > @newssvr31.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > him to cease to exist. Having Tidus return in FFX-2 doesn't reflect poorly > on FFX-2, but it makes everything FFX was about seem like a joke. Not to mention everything in FFX-2. There was this huge underlying message in the game that "Memories are nice, but you can't let yourself be held back for them". Or something to that effect. Basically yeah, it's nice to remember, but you have to move on sometimes and live your life. Yuna finally realizes this and seems to have gotten over Tidus then bam, hi, there he is, sorry, guess the message was pointless. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > Not to mention everything in FFX-2. There was this huge underlying > message in the game that "Memories are nice, but you can't let [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have gotten over Tidus then bam, hi, there he is, sorry, guess the > message was pointless. I can't agree or disagree with this, because I have not so much as even considered buying or renting the game. However, I agree with the principle. When part one is about sacrifice and loss and getting on with your life and stuff, and part two comes out and says that on the surface but then goes and says "Hey look, everything we've been saying for almost 2 entire games is crap", it reflects poorly on the entire series. SignatureAIM: FrznFoodClerk email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m) website: under construction Need a technician in the south Jersey area? email/IM for rates/services > I can't agree or disagree with this, because I have not so much as even > considered buying or renting the game. However, I agree with the > principle. When part one is about sacrifice and loss and getting on with > your life and stuff, and part two comes out and says that on the surface > but then goes and says "Hey look, everything we've been saying for almost 2 > entire games is crap", it reflects poorly on the entire series. I think one of the underlying themes of X-2 was "hope." Despite everyone giving Yuna the impression "memories are nice, but you need to eventually move on," she never did give up. Besides, anyone who didn't want Tidus to return at the end of X-2 are DEAD INSIDE. > > I can't agree or disagree with this, because I have not so much as even > > considered buying or renting the game. However, I agree with the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Besides, anyone who didn't want Tidus to return at the end of X-2 are > DEAD INSIDE. Just call me a Zombie then. -- Ramen Junkie http://www.lameazoid.com > Besides, anyone who didn't want Tidus to return at the end of X-2 are > DEAD INSIDE. Tidus returning at the end of FFX-2 makes everything about FFX a complete joke. Since FFX wasn't about having 3 girls dress in scantily clad clothing and sing and dance theire enemies to death, which game do you think carries more merit? FFX-2 takes a great story as a foundation and ruins everything about it. SignatureAIM: FrznFoodClerk email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m) website: under construction Need a technician in the south Jersey area? email/IM for rates/services > Tidus returning at the end of FFX-2 makes everything about FFX a complete > joke. Since FFX wasn't about having 3 girls dress in scantily clad > clothing and sing and dance theire enemies to death, which game do you > think carries more merit? FFX-2 takes a great story as a foundation and > ruins everything about it. I think it was only fair that Tidus was allowed to return. There was no self-sacrifice in FFX, the guy was doomed from the get-go. Anyways if you didn't want Tidus to return, you should've answered "no" on the farplane when you were asked. ;) Some of us need closure, damn-it! bobx5000@hotmail.com (Bob) wrote in news:a490095.0402161611.251b8f37 @posting.google.com: > Anyways if you didn't want Tidus to return, you should've answered > "no" on the farplane when you were asked. ;) Some of us need closure, > damn-it! FFX had closure. FFX-2 eliminated that closure. No sacrifice in FFX? From the time you hit Zanarkand in FFX Tidus knows he will disappear if they succeed. He has every choice to /not/ defeat Yu Yevon and Sin and remain around as long as he wants. He chooses to defeat Yu Yevon at the end, knowing that it will be the end of him. He says something like: Listen up everyone. This is the last time we fight together. <everyone acts shocked> After we win, I'll disappear. (him and Yuna look at each other, because previously she said "You aren't going to disappear on me when we defeat Sin, are you?"). That is closure. Tidus knew victory meant the end. And he did it anyway. With FFX-2, the end means nothing. SignatureAIM: FrznFoodClerk email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m) website: under construction Need a technician in the south Jersey area? email/IM for rates/services > bobx5000@hotmail.com (Bob) wrote in news:a490095.0402161611.251b8f37 > @posting.google.com: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > That is closure. Tidus knew victory meant the end. And he did it > anyway. With FFX-2, the end means nothing. Not really. That all still happens in the story. You just get a little happy bonus of him returning. Why is it that some people think that what one does in a story has to have a deep profound meaning? Why can't they say "this is how it happenend, great." Ryan (just SHUT UP AND PLAY THE GAME.) I agree, I beat it a while back at 58%, meaning almost 50% of the game is optional. can I get a 50% discount. Optional trips, missions, etc. are okay, but that's a lot to mess with, in my opinion. I probably will not play it again. mk > At 55% ... level 69, 62, and 60 ... > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Dream -- Forest For The Trees |
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