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FFXI SUX ALOT THE SEQUAL

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Jonathan McArthur - 26 Nov 2003 00:39 GMT
POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!

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Coren - 26 Nov 2003 00:42 GMT
> POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!

First, FFXI doesnt' have a sequel... or, for that matter, a sequal, whatever
the hell that may be.
I'm confused... are you talking about FFX-2? Thats a sequel... to FFX...
FFXI is not a sequel, and it likely won't *have* a sequel...

Uh... right....

Coren
Jonathan McArthur - 26 Nov 2003 01:24 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
>> POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!
> First, FFXI doesnt' have a sequel... or, for that matter, a sequal,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Uh... right....

UM EXCUSES ME LEGAND OFF ZIDAT ANYONE?????

Also, uh, this is a sequel to the earlier "FFXI Sucks" threads. Duh.

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Zarggg - 26 Nov 2003 02:16 GMT
Coren wrote on 25 Nov 03 19:42:

>> POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Uh... right....
The "sequel" in question is this thread itself. He's referring to the
previous thread(s) dedicated to FFXI's suckage, you ignorant,
panda-loving, grass-eating, waste-disposal resembling, TURD.
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Saint Avenger - 26 Nov 2003 02:26 GMT
So says Coren:

> > POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Uh... right....

It's fairly obvious from the tone he takes in the post that the sequel he means
is the sequel to the old FFXI sucks thread, you ignorant, panda-loving,
grass-eating, waste-disposal resembling, TURD.

- Avenger
Balthasar - 26 Nov 2003 04:04 GMT
> So says Coren:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> is the sequel to the old FFXI sucks thread, you ignorant, panda-loving,
> grass-eating, waste-disposal resembling, TURD.

Wait, what? Have you and Sargg become one?

Interesting.

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Balthasar - 26 Nov 2003 06:04 GMT
> > So says Coren:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Wait, what? Have you and Sargg become one?

By Sargg, I of course mean Zarggg.  Damn fingers.

Balthasar
Zarggg - 26 Nov 2003 23:50 GMT
Balthasar wrote on 26 Nov 03 01:04:

>>> So says Coren:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> By Sargg, I of course mean Zarggg.  Damn fingers.

You know what they say, "imitation is the greatest form of flattery". :-)
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Rob Browning - 26 Nov 2003 02:49 GMT
>> POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Uh... right....

Did you know that he was referring to the thread about FFXI being a
sequel?

I wasn't sure you knew that, so I decided to let you know.

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Mike Robinson - 26 Nov 2003 02:53 GMT
>> POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Uh... right....

Sequel to the old FFXI thread.
Coren - 26 Nov 2003 08:31 GMT
In response to all of you, I guess I conveniently never saw the last one...

Coren
Jonathan McArthur - 26 Nov 2003 10:15 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
> In response to all of you, I guess I conveniently never saw the last
> one...

What, you mean the ones you contributed to, several times? Okay then.

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Coren - 26 Nov 2003 17:02 GMT
> "Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
> "Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
> > In response to all of you, I guess I conveniently never saw the last
> > one...
>
> What, you mean the ones you contributed to, several times? Okay then.

Amazingly enough, doing a search of "FFXI SUX" in my newsreader turns up
nothing.... gee, I wonder why that is... maybe because I never actually got
it.... Hard to reply to a post when its never in my newsreader....

Coren
HitMan333 - 26 Nov 2003 17:10 GMT
>> > In response to all of you, I guess I conveniently never saw the last
>> > one...
>> What, you mean the ones you contributed to, several times? Okay then.
> Amazingly enough, doing a search of "FFXI SUX" in my newsreader turns up
> nothing.... gee, I wonder why that is... maybe because I never actually got
> it.... Hard to reply to a post when its never in my newsreader....

I think they're referring to a thread that talk about how FFXI sucks, as
opposed to one explicitly called "FFXI SUX"

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Jonathan McArthur - 26 Nov 2003 17:28 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
>>> In response to all of you, I guess I conveniently never saw the last
>>> one...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> actually got it.... Hard to reply to a post when its never in my
> newsreader....

Did you know you can type out actual messages in addition to subjects?

FFS are you retarded or something?

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Coren - 26 Nov 2003 17:38 GMT
Jonathan McArthur - 26 Nov 2003 17:45 GMT
I give up. Go shoot yourself.

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Coren - 26 Nov 2003 19:02 GMT
> I give up. Go shoot yourself.

Hah! Thanks, I'll pass...

Coren
Balthasar - 26 Nov 2003 21:56 GMT
> "Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
> "Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> FFS are you retarded or something?

Silly question.  You should be familiar with dense individuals like this
already from your time here.

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Rob Browning - 26 Nov 2003 22:12 GMT
>> "Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
>> "Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Silly question.  You should be familiar with dense individuals like this
>already from your time here.

Because this group is populated with them OMG LOL

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The Legend of Ramen 300 - 26 Nov 2003 03:09 GMT
> POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!

IN A WORLD

<FADE 2 BLAK>
Techy Guy - 26 Nov 2003 18:36 GMT
>POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!

oh OH, i think i will make 3 threads on how awesome FFXI
is....YEA!...Umm    no
Jonathan McArthur - 26 Nov 2003 18:52 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Techy Guy has never
seen!"
>> POST THOGHTS ABOUT THIS GAME BEING sh.t!!!!
> oh OH, i think i will make 3 threads on how awesome FFXI
> is....YEA!...Umm    no

Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome once,
let alone three times?

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Coren - 26 Nov 2003 19:05 GMT
> Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome once,
> let alone three times?

Just out of curiosity, in all seriousness for a minute... have you ever
played the game?  Yes I know it takes 6gb of space, takes 3 days to install,
costs $13/month, etc etc etc.... I admit, I don't like that too much either,
but NONE of that has to do with the game itself.  Obviously you don't like
it either, but for me, the game itself provides enough entertainment for me
to justify playing it.  If you can't justify it, fine, but don't criticize
the game (hell, ANY game, not just FFXI) if you've never once played it.

Coren
The Legend of Ramen 300 - 26 Nov 2003 19:10 GMT
> > Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome once,
> > let alone three times?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to justify playing it.  If you can't justify it, fine, but don't criticize
> the game (hell, ANY game, not just FFXI) if you've never once played it.

I've played it.  It's still gay.  MMORPGs should stay out of my game series.
Coren - 26 Nov 2003 19:30 GMT
OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
"MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.

Coren
Saint Avenger - 26 Nov 2003 19:32 GMT
So says Coren:

> OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
> "MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.

What he didn't like about what?  I can't tell what that pronoun is referring to
since you didn't quote any context.

- Avenger
Rob Browning - 26 Nov 2003 19:58 GMT
>OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
>"MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.

Could you first give me a reason why that argument isn't valid?

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Techy Guy - 26 Nov 2003 22:32 GMT
>>OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
>>"MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Rob
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Because if you didn't like to play games that you have to gain levels
in then you wouldn't sit in a game specific forum and bitch about one
game. There is "alt.games.rpg" forum that would be glad to listen to
you and defend RPG's/ or MMORPG's for that matter.

This group is not about what type of games you like. It is Final
Fantasy series. Saying that you dont like it because it is a MMORPG is
fine, but then nit picking about everything that makes it a MMORPG is
just pointless. Anyone that reads these threads trying to decide to
buy it or not isn't getting any useful information. IF someone is
thinking of trying it they obviously already got past the fact that
there is a fee to play, it may take a day to gain a level, and quests
are long, that is what makes it an MMORPG.

Now talking about world passes, job classes, magic, abilities,
summons, etc. compared to other FF games assuming of course you
actually played FFXI i would consider a valid argument . Of course
once again saying you dont like FFXI because it is MMORPG isn't an
invalid argument (i think even people who like FFXI thinks it should
have been called FFO). You have stated your point that you dont like
MMORPG's, so lets actually talk about something in the game. I dont
read this forum to hear you bitch about how much you dont like
MMORPG's.

Whether i liked FFXI or not i would still be telling you this same
thing.
Rob Browning - 27 Nov 2003 00:50 GMT
>>>OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
>>>"MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>Whether i liked FFXI or not i would still be telling you this same
>thing.

One problem:  My talking about how crappy MMORPGs are does nothing to
stop anyone else from making specific criticisms or defenses of FFXI.
Instead of complaining about how I shouldn't rant about MMORPGs,
perhaps you should actually make some posts about FFXI.

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Balthasar - 27 Nov 2003 09:38 GMT
> >>OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
> >>"MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> This group is not about what type of games you like.

Yes it is.  Well, that, and anything else that might be worth
discussing/arguing.

It is Final
> Fantasy series. Saying that you dont like it because it is a MMORPG is
> fine, but then nit picking about everything that makes it a MMORPG is
> just pointless.

If these things are bad things, then they make this FF game bad.  If there
are qualities about a particular subgenre of RPGs that are to the detriment
of a game under that genre, then I think it is worthy of discussion.

Anyone that reads these threads trying to decide to
> buy it or not isn't getting any useful information. IF someone is
> thinking of trying it they obviously already got past the fact that
> there is a fee to play, it may take a day to gain a level, and quests
> are long, that is what makes it an MMORPG.

I highly doubt this is always the case, or even usually the case.  The only
thing that is common knowledge about MMORPGs for the general masses is that
you have to pay-to-play.  I also don't agree that taking a day to gain a
level is what makes a game an mmorpg.  The essence of such a game should be
that you are interacting in a persistant world with a large number of other
players.

> Now talking about world passes, job classes, magic, abilities,
> summons, etc. compared to other FF games assuming of course you
> actually played FFXI i would consider a valid argument .

I think someone meantioned world passes already.  Job systems are usually
trashed here across all genres (not by everyone, of course).  The rest,
well, that would require an investment of time and money that few of us seem
to be willing to relinquish.

You have stated your point that you dont like
> MMORPG's, so lets actually talk about something in the game. I dont
> read this forum to hear you bitch about how much you dont like
> MMORPG's.

That's really too bad.

Balthasar
Saint Avenger - 27 Nov 2003 16:24 GMT
So says Techy Guy:

> >>OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
> >>"MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> This group is not about what type of games you like. It is Final
> Fantasy series.

No, this group is about anything and everything.  EVERYTHING.

*ahem*  "This group isn't for fans to discuss Final Fantasy, it's for Final
Fantasy fans to discuss."

- Avenger
Coren - 28 Nov 2003 10:27 GMT
> > >>OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
> > >>"MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> *ahem*  "This group isn't for fans to discuss Final Fantasy, it's for Final
> Fantasy fans to discuss."

I like final fantasy.  I'd like to discuss how Avenger's wife gets around a
lot.  I slept with her last night in fact.  Anybody else get some?  It's
quite nice...and she doesn't charge much either.  In fact, if you get her
drunk, she'll give you anything you want for free....

OK... that was stupid as hell......

....

Wait.... maybe theres a reason we FF fans should discuss FF here... if I
want to discuss how Avenger's wife gets around a lot, I'll probably hit up
another ng.

Coren
Jonathan McArthur - 28 Nov 2003 12:29 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
> Wait.... maybe theres a reason we FF fans should discuss FF here...
> if I want to discuss how Avenger's wife gets around a lot, I'll
> probably hit up another ng.

No, fuckwit. That's a reason for no one to enter discussion with you.

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Rob Browning - 28 Nov 2003 20:38 GMT
>> > This group is not about what type of games you like. It is Final
>> > Fantasy series.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I like final fantasy.  I'd like to discuss how Avenger's wife gets around a
>lot.  I slept with her last night in fact.  Anybody else get some?  It's

Couple of problems with this:

1.  Avenger doesn't have a wife.

2.  No one cares.

>OK... that was stupid as hell......

Hey, at least you realized it.

>Wait.... maybe theres a reason we FF fans should discuss FF here... if I
>want to discuss how Avenger's wife gets around a lot, I'll probably hit up
>another ng.

If you want to discuss how Avenger's wife gets around a lot, then
you're probably of substandard intelligence.  But we already knew
that.

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Coren - 28 Nov 2003 23:32 GMT
> >> > This group is not about what type of games you like. It is Final
> >> > Fantasy series.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> you're probably of substandard intelligence.  But we already knew
> that

You post that at least 3 or 4 times a day, but then when I make new posts,
you keep replying to the new ones anyway.  If I'm that stupid, why continue
to reply?

Coren
Rob Browning - 29 Nov 2003 00:16 GMT
>You post that at least 3 or 4 times a day, but then when I make new posts,
>you keep replying to the new ones anyway.  If I'm that stupid, why continue
>to reply?

Stupid people are funny.

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Coren - 29 Nov 2003 02:16 GMT
> Stupid people are funny.
>
> Rob

Right, but I asked why *you* keep responding.  I already know thats why I
keep replying to all of you.

Coren
Rob Browning - 29 Nov 2003 05:09 GMT
>> Stupid people are funny.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>Right, but I asked why *you* keep responding.  I already know thats why I
>keep replying to all of you.

Woo, I just had a Yamcha flashback.

BTW, IKYABWAI.

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  the first place

Balthasar - 29 Nov 2003 19:17 GMT
> >> Stupid people are funny.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> BTW, IKYABWAI.

You probably just confused the hell out of him. Ha!

Balthasar
Saint Avenger - 30 Nov 2003 19:23 GMT
So says Coren:

> > Stupid people are funny.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> Right, but I asked why *you* keep responding.  I already know thats why I
> keep replying to all of you.

U R ARGUMENT MASTER

- Avenger
The Legend of Ramen 300 - 27 Nov 2003 03:04 GMT
> OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
> "MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.

http://www.lameazoid.com/FF11_1.html

Extensive.

Rob has probably posted this for me though.
Coren - 27 Nov 2003 09:26 GMT
> http://www.lameazoid.com/FF11_1.html

OK, I haven't had time to read thru all the way yet, but so far, my first,
and easiest, impression is that the guy that wrote it is an idiot.  Half the
stuff he says can be directly contradicted by simply playing the game and
paying better attention.  At one point in page 2 he claims theres no map
function.  No, he's just too f.cking stupid to use it... it's there, and its
very useful.  Any competent 12 yr old can accomplish opening the map after 2
hours of play.  The list of incorrect babble even after the first page and
half the second is too lengthy for me to write all of, but to put it simply,
about half of what he says is wrong, and teh other other half he really
overestimates (except the lvling and hiking taking too long, but what do you
expect, its an MMORPG).

Coren
Rob Browning - 27 Nov 2003 18:28 GMT
>> http://www.lameazoid.com/FF11_1.html
>
>OK, I haven't had time to read thru all the way yet, but so far, my first,
>and easiest, impression is that the guy that wrote it is an idiot.  Half the

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

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Coren - 28 Nov 2003 10:52 GMT
> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>
> Rob

?? Maybe I'm missing something, but explain what that accomplished, other
than showing that you guys really are pathetic, because you use crappy
"reviews" from a biased reviewer that probably never even really played the
game, to .... do... what?

Coren
Rob Browning - 28 Nov 2003 20:55 GMT
>> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>"reviews" from a biased reviewer that probably never even really played the
>game, to .... do... what?

RJ made you think that he was stupid, therefore, mission accomplished.

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Coren - 28 Nov 2003 23:32 GMT
> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> RJ made you think that he was stupid, therefore, mission accomplished.

Um, OK.
The Legend of Ramen 300 - 29 Nov 2003 03:01 GMT
> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> RJ made you think that he was stupid, therefore, mission accomplished.

Don't forget the part about dumbass asumptions to explain why the review is
"wrong".
Techy Guy - 29 Nov 2003 17:11 GMT
>> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Don't forget the part about dumbass asumptions to explain why the review is
>"wrong".

You dont have to be a genius or like FFXI to see that whoever wrote
that is a dumbass. He contradics himself about 100 times in 3 pages.
"oh theres no map," 2 paragraphs later "The map told me this." He was
fighting worms and bees for 5 lvls...please.  after how many days of
playing he didnt know you could stack items... on and on and on

I wont even get into the fact that he obviously never played the game.
Rob Browning - 29 Nov 2003 20:12 GMT
>>> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>that is a dumbass. He contradics himself about 100 times in 3 pages.
>"oh theres no map," 2 paragraphs later "The map told me this." He was

Interesting how you guys say "oh he contradicts himself all the time,"
yet the only example you can give is the map thing.

>fighting worms and bees for 5 lvls...please.  after how many days of
>playing he didnt know you could stack items... on and on and on

You know, because I'm sure that FFXI made it intuitive that you could
stack items, instead of leaving you to figure it out by either asking
other people about it or trial-and-error.

Oh, wait.  No it didn't!

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Rob Browning - 29 Nov 2003 20:22 GMT
>>>> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>>>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Interesting how you guys say "oh he contradicts himself all the time,"
>yet the only example you can give is the map thing.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the obvious fact that he's referring to
the lack of an _automap_ function.  You do know what an automap is,
don't you?

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Techy Guy - 29 Nov 2003 20:59 GMT
>>You dont have to be a genius or like FFXI to see that whoever wrote
>>that is a dumbass. He contradics himself about 100 times in 3 pages.
>>"oh theres no map," 2 paragraphs later "The map told me this." He was
>
>Interesting how you guys say "oh he contradicts himself all the time,"
>yet the only example you can give is the map thing.

I thought i mentioned 3

>>fighting worms and bees for 5 lvls...please.  after how many days of
>>playing he didnt know you could stack items... on and on and on
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Oh, wait.  No it didn't!

Yea you select items and look on the right hand side of the screen.
behold it says arrange "Manually or auto"

>Rob
>ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net

Im not going to read that BS article again to say every single thing
wrong with it. Off the top of my head though.

-Long level gaining - you fight worm and bugs for 5 lvls what do you
expect (long lvl'n maybe after 15)
-No map - we went there
-lossing items- BS it tells you when your going to drop an item and
your inventory is to big.
-Red mage spells do the same damage as an attack- BAH!!!
-Selling items(crystals) he cant get money - selling crystals to shop
will give you 10-30gil - selling them at auction house will get you
50-300gill each. Just an example

Nothing i mentioned is hidden it is called skim the instruction book
or common sense.

 
Rob Browning - 29 Nov 2003 21:25 GMT
>>>You dont have to be a genius or like FFXI to see that whoever wrote
>>>that is a dumbass. He contradics himself about 100 times in 3 pages.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>I thought i mentioned 3

The other two aren't contradictions.

>>>fighting worms and bees for 5 lvls...please.  after how many days of
>>>playing he didnt know you could stack items... on and on and on
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Yea you select items and look on the right hand side of the screen.
>behold it says arrange "Manually or auto"

This would fall under the heading of "not intuitive."  There are two
intuitive ways of stacking items:  (a) Have the game stack them
automatically when you pick them up and (b) allow you to
click-and-drag items together.

>Im not going to read that BS article again to say every single thing
>wrong with it. Off the top of my head though.
>
>-Long level gaining - you fight worm and bugs for 5 lvls what do you
>expect (long lvl'n maybe after 15)

So what should he have attacked, what risks would be involved, and how
easy is it to find these monsters if you are a complete newbie to the
game?

>-lossing items- BS it tells you when your going to drop an item and
>your inventory is to big.

Oh, you mean in that little message box that you don't pay attention
to half of the time, which keeps getting scrolled off by 12-year-olds
screaming "GOT ANY GEMZ!?!1/11/1?"

>-Red mage spells do the same damage as an attack- BAH!!!

Early on in the game, I wouldn't be surprised.

>-Selling items(crystals) he cant get money - selling crystals to shop
>will give you 10-30gil - selling them at auction house will get you
>50-300gill each. Just an example

Wow, sucks to be him for not knowing something like that as a complete
newbie to the game.  How dare he not know all of the intricacies to a
crappy MMORPG he was barely interested in in the first place!

>Nothing i mentioned is hidden it is called skim the instruction book
>or common sense.

Yeah, since they love providing instruction books to people who are
playing the beta in an arcade.

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The Legend of Ramen 300 - 30 Nov 2003 03:03 GMT
> The other two aren't contradictions.

It should be noted that for the most part each page of the review repreents
one session of gameplay.  IE The map feature was not known about on day one.

> >Yea you select items and look on the right hand side of the screen.
> >behold it says arrange "Manually or auto"
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> automatically when you pick them up and (b) allow you to
> click-and-drag items together.

Auto stacking is the way it SHOULD be.  There isn't any reason for then NOT
to stack.

> >-Long level gaining - you fight worm and bugs for 5 lvls what do you
> >expect (long lvl'n maybe after 15)
>
> So what should he have attacked, what risks would be involved, and how
> easy is it to find these monsters if you are a complete newbie to the
> game?

Dying means losing experience and probably dropping at least one level.  You
probably go off and fight slightly tougher enemies at this point but that
would also involve 5 minutes of standing around using the /heal command
REPEATEDLY ie after every battle.

> >-lossing items- BS it tells you when your going to drop an item and
> >your inventory is to big.
>
> Oh, you mean in that little message box that you don't pay attention
> to half of the time, which keeps getting scrolled off by 12-year-olds
> screaming "GOT ANY GEMZ!?!1/11/1?"

And I thought you hadn't played this game.  Anyway you hit the nail on the
head.

> >-Red mage spells do the same damage as an attack- BAH!!!
>
> Early on in the game, I wouldn't be surprised.

Also I had pretty shitty spells, none of which I found or anything they were
given to me by someone else.  I would not have had any other magic
otherwise.  Anyway One was cure, one was some sh.t called "Dia" or somehting
that was basically "poison".  I only knoew it wa poison because someone told
me, because the name is pretty unexplainatory.

> >-Selling items(crystals) he cant get money - selling crystals to shop
> >will give you 10-30gil - selling them at auction house will get you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> newbie to the game.  How dare he not know all of the intricacies to a
> crappy MMORPG he was barely interested in in the first place!

Also why not just give me money instead of useless crystals and even worse
"hornet wings".  NOTE: Apparently there is some sort fo way to combine item
not available in the beta.

> >Nothing i mentioned is hidden it is called skim the instruction book
> >or common sense.
>
> Yeah, since they love providing instruction books to people who are
> playing the beta in an arcade.

Agreed.  I would have been surprised if the place even had an instruction
book.
The Legend of Ramen 300 - 29 Nov 2003 20:22 GMT
> >> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
> >> >>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> I wont even get into the fact that he obviously never played the game.

"Don't forget the part about dumbass asumptions to explain why the review is
"wrong"."
Rob Browning - 29 Nov 2003 20:25 GMT
>> >> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>> >> >>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>"Don't forget the part about dumbass asumptions to explain why the review is
>"wrong"."

You have to admit, RJ, it's a wonderful way to ignore opinions that
you don't like.

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itself is almost secondary to that interaction."
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  the first place

Homyguy Z - 30 Nov 2003 17:33 GMT
> >> >> >> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
> >> >> >>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> You have to admit, RJ, it's a wonderful way to ignore opinions that
> you don't like.

http://tip.psychology.org/festinge.html

-Homyguy Z
The Legend of Ramen 300 - 29 Nov 2003 03:00 GMT
> >> http://www.lameazoid.com/FF11_1.html
> >
> >OK, I haven't had time to read thru all the way yet, but so far, my first,
> >and easiest, impression is that the guy that wrote it is an idiot.  Half the
>
> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

HOLY GOD YOU f.ck
The Legend of Ramen 300 - 29 Nov 2003 03:00 GMT
> > http://www.lameazoid.com/FF11_1.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> overestimates (except the lvling and hiking taking too long, but what do you
> expect, its an MMORPG).

Mission accomplished.
Coren - 27 Nov 2003 09:34 GMT
> > OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
> > "MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.

Well, now for reply 2 (I got kindof hasty in my first reply, and have since
read the entire article).  I'm now completely convinced this guy is a
complete dumbass.  In the first page he's claiming theres no map, then he
clearly says he used the map in page 3... make up your damn mind.  Anyway,
if somebody wants me to post a paragraph by paragraph argument to this guys
"review", I will.  But, from somebody thats already played FFXI way too long
for my own good, done 30-40 missions, etc etc, and gotten my main character
up to lvl 25 (max lvl is 70, so in the grand scheme of things, this isn't
too bad), the game is good, and the writer of that "review" really has no
f.cking idea what he's talking about basing an entire review on 5 hours of
playtime...

Really, I'll post an entire counter-review to explain everything he
complained about (if somebody thats considering playing the game asks,
anyway).  The ONLY 2 things he was right on was the lvling is slow, and the
hiking is slow... and even then he grossly over-exaggerates how bad it is...
that or he's even more incompetant than I thought and went the wrong way,
even though he clearly was using his map (by the 3rd page at least).

Coren
Rob Browning - 27 Nov 2003 18:29 GMT
>too bad), the game is good, and the writer of that "review" really has no
>f.cking idea what he's talking about basing an entire review on 5 hours of
>playtime...

That's what they said to the Cables about Xenogears.

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The Legend of Ramen 300 - 29 Nov 2003 03:02 GMT
> >too bad), the game is good, and the writer of that "review" really has no
> >f.cking idea what he's talking about basing an entire review on 5 hours of
> >playtime...
>
> That's what they said to the Cables about Xenogears.

Now everyone knows it's shitty.
Balthasar - 29 Nov 2003 19:18 GMT
> > >too bad), the game is good, and the writer of that "review" really has no
> > >f.cking idea what he's talking about basing an entire review on 5 hours of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Now everyone knows it's shitty.

FCUK YUO IT ROCKS!!!1

Balthasar
Techy Guy - 29 Nov 2003 19:13 GMT
>> OK, now explain what you didn't like about it.... without using the argument
>> "MMORPGs Suck in general" or something close to that.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Rob has probably posted this for me though.

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=10226&ForumID=43797&TabID=84119&To
picID=289778

Coren - 30 Nov 2003 17:11 GMT
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=10226&ForumID=43797&TabID=8411
9&TopicID=289778

Good Review...

Coren
Rob Browning - 26 Nov 2003 19:56 GMT
>Just out of curiosity, in all seriousness for a minute... have you ever
>played the game?  Yes I know it takes 6gb of space, takes 3 days to install,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>to justify playing it.  If you can't justify it, fine, but don't criticize
>the game (hell, ANY game, not just FFXI) if you've never once played it.

That's what they said to the Cables about Xenogears.

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Jonathan McArthur - 26 Nov 2003 23:18 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Coren has never seen!"
>> Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome once,
>> let alone three times?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> If you can't justify it, fine, but don't criticize the game (hell,
> ANY game, not just FFXI) if you've never once played it.

Of course I haven't played it. That's the point.

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Corey Simonator - 28 Nov 2003 19:54 GMT
<Of course I haven't played it. That's the point.>

Bingo. It's a Final Fantasy group yet the bulk of the people in the group want
nothing to do with the game, for reasons covered months ago when the beta
testers where on the defensive. Finally some light shines through on this
argument.
Coren - 29 Nov 2003 02:17 GMT
> Bingo. It's a Final Fantasy group yet the bulk of the people in the group want
> nothing to do with the game, for reasons covered months ago when the beta
> testers where on the defensive. Finally some light shines through on this
> argument.

See, I wasn't here back when the beta was running.  That explains a few
things.  Not many though.

Coren
Cassandra J. Nichols - 26 Nov 2003 23:50 GMT
>>Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome once,
>>let alone three times?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to justify playing it.  If you can't justify it, fine, but don't criticize
> the game (hell, ANY game, not just FFXI) if you've never once played it.

I would like to encourage all to follow this "don't knock it until
you've tried it" mind set. I recommend you expand it outside of games
and into all aspects of life, including cannibalism, homosexual acts,
and assassinations.

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Zarggg - 26 Nov 2003 23:55 GMT
Cassandra J. Nichols wrote on 26 Nov 03 18:50:

>>> Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome
>>> once, let alone three times?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> and into all aspects of life, including cannibalism, homosexual
> acts, and assassinations.

I can't stand the taste of human flesh. It tastes like rancid meat that
was shoved through a dirty meat grinder a few too many times. I'll stick
to my herbivores, thanks.
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Jonathan McArthur - 27 Nov 2003 00:00 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Cassandra J. Nichols has
never seen!"
>>> Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome
>>> once, let alone three times?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and into all aspects of life, including cannibalism, homosexual acts,
> and assassinations.

Oh, come on, people only find those things unpalatable because they've
gotten a bad rap from the media. Just like Michael Jackson! He'd be the
first to tell you not to knock something before you've tried it, and his
lunatic fans are parading around everywhere with "HE'S INNOCENT!!!"
banners. I think that says something important about society.

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Rob Browning - 27 Nov 2003 00:54 GMT
>>>Well, of course you won't. Who would say a sh.t game is awesome once,
>>>let alone three times?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>and into all aspects of life, including cannibalism, homosexual acts,
>and assassinations.

Indeed.  I used to hate child molestation, but then I tried it on a
six-year-old at the local elementary school and I have seen the light.
SOFT AND SMOOTH.

Rob (wonders how many people are going to get trolled by the implicit
comparison of homosexuality to cannibalism and murder)
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Jonathan McArthur - 27 Nov 2003 01:05 GMT
"Stilgar, do we have wormsign?"
"Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even Rob Browning has never
seen!"
> Rob (wonders how many people are going to get trolled by the implicit
> comparison of homosexuality to cannibalism and murder)

Trolled? What, you mean they shouldn't be compared?

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Cassandra J. Nichols - 27 Nov 2003 01:11 GMT
> Rob (wonders how many people are going to get trolled by the implicit
> comparison of homosexuality to cannibalism and murder)

I've seen people make that association before. There's a lot of crazy
people in the world.

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Corey Simonator - 28 Nov 2003 19:54 GMT
<I would like to encourage all to follow this "don't knock it until
you've tried it" mind set. I recommend you expand it outside of games
and into all aspects of life, including cannibalism, homosexual acts,
and assassinations.>

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