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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Final Fantasy / March 2007Final Fantasy XIII exclusivity to PS3 -uncertain- looks like X360 has a crack at it
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147392 http://www.dna.fr/france/20070321_DNA006098.html "FF13 exclusive is being discussed Interview with Sony France PR" Babelfish "The development cost of the plays exploded, it becomes difficult to have exclusivenesses, except our own plays. But we will have as of launching 30 plays, of which Motorstorm, Resistance or Virtua Fighter. Moreover, we await 200 plays from here the end of 2007. Lastly, for Final Fantasy XIII, I can say to you that exclusiveness is under discussion." if Final Fantasy XIII goes multi-platform that's probably the final nail in PS3's coffin. even if Metal Gear Solid 4 and Tekken stay PS3-exclusive (i think they will) those two games aren't enough to hold PS3 afloat. PS3 has lost, among others, the following exclusives Resident Evil 5 Grand Theft Auto IV Virtua Fighter 5 Devil May Cry 4 Ace Combat 6 Dragon Quest IX (PS3 isn't getting it at all, it's DS-exclusive!) Sony is going to have to offer Square-Enix a FUCKTON of money to keep FFXIII exclusive to PS3. what do ya gotta say about that Blig Merk ? >if Final Fantasy XIII goes multi-platform that's probably the final >nail in PS3's coffin. If it does (very doubtful), then it will come out on the 360 at least a year later. That won't have nearly the effect on the PS3 that you think that it will, especially since the Japanese would only think of getting a 360 if FF13 were truly exclusive for it. >even if Metal Gear Solid 4 and Tekken stay PS3-exclusive (i think they >will) those two games aren't enough to hold PS3 afloat. I assume you missed fan reaction to LittleBigPlanet? Never mind that you're forgetting well-established first-party franchises like Gran Turismo, Jak and Daxter, and God of War. Sony is much better on the first-party front than MS is; people just don't realize it because Sony doesn't strongly advertise the relationship for most of its franchises, while MS hypes up the only big first-party console series it has to the moon. >PS3 has lost, among others, the following exclusives > >Resident Evil 5 >Grand Theft Auto IV These were never going to be exclusive. I don't know where you got the idea that they were, unless you believe everything you read on gaming blogs. BTW, the rumors for RE5 were that it was going to be exclusive for the 360, not for the PS3. >Virtua Fighter 5 Not only is this not a very big franchise, but the PS3 does get it exclusively for about six months, which is as expected since Virtua Fighter was definitely not going to be exclusive to the PS3 for a great deal of time. >Devil May Cry 4 This is a blow mainly because the two versions are coming out simultaneously, but I'm not sure that most DMC fans will migrate to the 360 simply because it happens to be coming out on that console as well, especially since it will be a long time before it's released. It really depends on whether or not the 360 will have more exclusive games that would appeal to a DMC fan than the PS3 will. The 360 has a much better lineup than it did a year ago, but the PS3 will also have a much better lineup a year from now. >Ace Combat 6 Probably the only one that will hurt Sony in the long run, as this has apparently become a 360 exclusive. But then, the more popular Resident Evil was a Gamecube exclusive for a few years, which didn't seem to hurt the PS2 much. >Dragon Quest IX (PS3 isn't getting it at all, it's DS-exclusive!) The PS3 is not competing with the DS, so DQ9 is irrelevant. Sony only loses the small amount of people who (a) like DQ but not FF and (b) don't find anything else on the PS3 to their taste. >Sony is going to have to offer Square-Enix a FUCKTON of money to keep >FFXIII exclusive to PS3. Give a lot of money to Square... you mean just like they've been doing for years? Sony has no problem with shelling out the cash to keep the king in their castle. I know it's hard for guys like you to believe that there could be two strong consoles in one generation because the only previous time it ever happened was about 15 years ago, but it's going to happen again, count on it. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@suddenlink.net  SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Some people are more passionate about preserving foreskin than they are about the environment, human life, and a million other subjects. If you're going to have an obsession, at least get a good one, like Tetris or that girl that said no when she really meant yes." --Josh "Livestock" Boruff, Something Awful ALoD 10-11-06 > Give a lot of money to Square... you mean just like they've been doing > for years? Sony has no problem with shelling out the cash to keep the > king in their castle. Sony are not the cash rich company they once where. >> Give a lot of money to Square... you mean just like they've been doing >> for years? Sony has no problem with shelling out the cash to keep the >> king in their castle. >> >Sony are not the cash rich company they once where. I'm of the belief that Sony is willing to do whatever it takes to push the PS3 and (more importantly to them) BluRay into a position of dominance. They might not have a ton of money, but they have enough. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@suddenlink.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Some people are more passionate about preserving foreskin than they are about the environment, human life, and a million other subjects. If you're going to have an obsession, at least get a good one, like Tetris or that girl that said no when she really meant yes." --Josh "Livestock" Boruff, Something Awful ALoD 10-11-06 >>> Give a lot of money to Square... you mean just like they've been doing >>> for years? Sony has no problem with shelling out the cash to keep the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the PS3 and (more importantly to them) BluRay into a position of > dominance. They might not have a ton of money, but they have enough. not as much microsoft not even 1 /10 of microsoft so if microsoft want, can crack the exclusivity of FF13 and i bet that they want.. >>>> Give a lot of money to Square... you mean just like they've been doing >>>> for years? Sony has no problem with shelling out the cash to keep the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > so if microsoft want, can crack the exclusivity of FF13 > and i bet that they want.. Also, think about this for a second. Sony may win a massive pyrrhic victory over HD-DVD to be the leader in a small and soon dead market because no-one wants it. That IS a possibilty y'know. It's not like millions of people will rush out and buy 1080p HD TVs to turn it into a big enough market like DVD is now. The games industry is in a mess as well. Games cost waaaaay too much to develop for the HD games market and they need to sell shed loads to recoup costs >>>>> Give a lot of money to Square... you mean just like they've been doing >>>>> for years? Sony has no problem with shelling out the cash to keep the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > develop for the HD games market and they need to sell shed loads to > recoup costs I don't get, given that MS have already blown about $6billion on the project, why they don't just throw $50m each at Square and Rockstar for complete exclusivity. And then you have it, global game over in one shot. SignatureZo >>>>>> Give a lot of money to Square... you mean just like they've been >>>>>> doing [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > project, why they don't just throw $50m each at Square and Rockstar for > complete exclusivity. And then you have it, global game over in one shot. Well, maybe they've offered and been turned down. Who knows - maybe they don't want exclusivity - maybe someone as MSGS hates the FF games and wouldn't pay $50 for a copy let alone $50m for an exclusive launch. There is a rumour, and I hasten to add it is nothing more than that, that Take 2 are going to be put up for sale and MS are going to throw their hat into the ring. MS also have some of their own produced big sellers - Halo 3 for one (regardless of whether you think it's any good or not, it WILL sell) as well as Forza 2 (this will shift machines as well) which I think is shaping up to be better than GT5 or whatever it will be called, and that's the biggest selling franchise on the PS. >I don't get, given that MS have already blown about $6billion on the >project, why they don't just throw $50m each at Square and Rockstar for >complete exclusivity. And then you have it, global game over in one >shot. You're insane if you think $50 million would do it in either case. What I do find interesting are the rumors that Microsoft will buy out Take Two, but I'm not sure if Rockstar's relationship with that publisher would oblige them to go along with it. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@suddenlink.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Some people are more passionate about preserving foreskin than they are about the environment, human life, and a million other subjects. If you're going to have an obsession, at least get a good one, like Tetris or that girl that said no when she really meant yes." --Josh "Livestock" Boruff, Something Awful ALoD 10-11-06 >Also, think about this for a second. Sony may win a massive pyrrhic >victory over HD-DVD to be the leader in a small and soon dead market >because no-one wants it. That IS a possibilty y'know. It's not like Nobody really wanted DVD at first either; VHS was just fine, and moreover you could record on it. It's not consumer demand that drives these new forms of media, but studio demand. Then consumer demand catches up when the players and discs get cheaper and people realize that the improvement over the older medium is significant. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@suddenlink.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Some people are more passionate about preserving foreskin than they are about the environment, human life, and a million other subjects. If you're going to have an obsession, at least get a good one, like Tetris or that girl that said no when she really meant yes." --Josh "Livestock" Boruff, Something Awful ALoD 10-11-06 >>if Final Fantasy XIII goes multi-platform that's probably the final >>nail in PS3's coffin. [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Rob i think the point people are trying to make is, with each month that goes by there is less and less of a reason to own a PS3, and that's a fact considering news like ace combat and dmc keeps surfacing consistantly. personally, i believe mgs4 will eventually go to the 360 as well, along with ff In microsoft.public.xbox spaceman <sonofzeus26@hotmail.com> wrote: > i think the point people are trying to make is, with each month that goes by > there is less and less of a reason to own a PS3, and that's a fact > considering news like ace combat and dmc keeps surfacing consistantly. > personally, i believe mgs4 will eventually go to the 360 as well, along with > ff If FF goes multi-platform, expect a literal avalanche of announcements of other titles going multi-platform as well. If anything could be seen as a single keystone for Sony's success in Asia, it's Final Fantasy. If it shows up on a cheaper console with the same content, graphics and game play, forget it. Sony might as well stop referring to the PS3 as a game machine at all because no one else will. SignatureWin cash and giftcards just for clicking your mouse! http://www.netwinner.com/?signupCode=amuro98 >If anything could be seen as a single keystone for Sony's success in Asia, >it's Final Fantasy. If it shows up on a cheaper console with the same >content, graphics and game play, forget it. Sony might as well stop >referring to the PS3 as a game machine at all because no one else will. As I said earlier, FF13 simply being on the 360 won't do much of anything to Sony's success in Asia. Nobody's ever thought of the 360 as a game machine over there. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@suddenlink.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Some people are more passionate about preserving foreskin than they are about the environment, human life, and a million other subjects. If you're going to have an obsession, at least get a good one, like Tetris or that girl that said no when she really meant yes." --Josh "Livestock" Boruff, Something Awful ALoD 10-11-06 In microsoft.public.xbox Rob Browning <pluvius3@hotmail.com> wrote: > As I said earlier, FF13 simply being on the 360 won't do much of > anything to Sony's success in Asia. Nobody's ever thought of the 360 > as a game machine over there. They DID buy Blue Dragon on the 360, however. If we consider FF13 to be a system seller, and if it does indeed end up shipping on both the 360 and PS3 simultaneously, do you honestly think people will walk into stores and buy a PS3? Yes, I'm sure some will, just out of habit/loyalty/ignorance/etc. But I don't think that's going to be the case for everyone - or even most of the folks over there. The rest of the world, likewise, isn't simply going to buy the PS3 for a multi-platform Final Fantasy if the other console is cheaper, and has more games. Honestly, if FF13 goes multi-platform, it might as well not even bother coming out for the PS3 because if all other aspects are equal, people are going to go for the cheaper hardware unless there's some very compelling reasons (games, graphics, online features - ANYTHING) to convince them otherwise. Of course this IS Square we're talking about here. I'm sure they'll release about 4 different versions in Japan at launch, then follow up with a special edition a year later, after they've launched into the US, followed up by a 3rd round of releases after Europe gets the title.... Surely in all that, they can do SOMETHING (if they wanted) to make the PS3 version different from the 360 version... SignatureWin cash and giftcards just for clicking your mouse! http://www.netwinner.com/?signupCode=amuro98 >In microsoft.public.xbox Rob Browning <pluvius3@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >They DID buy Blue Dragon on the 360, however. Not really: Sales spiked for about a month, then went back down to their regular dismal number. And that was for a 360 exclusive. Even afterwards, the 360 is way behind both the PS3 and the Wii in Japan, despite coming out a year earlier. >If we consider FF13 to be a system seller, and if it does indeed end up >shipping on both the 360 and PS3 simultaneously, do you honestly think >people will walk into stores and buy a PS3? Yes, I'm sure some will, just In Japan, they will. In the West, they might not, but there's not much incentive for Square to release multiplatform since most 360 sales will come from people who were going to get FF13 for the PS3 anyway. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@suddenlink.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "Some people are more passionate about preserving foreskin than they are about the environment, human life, and a million other subjects. If you're going to have an obsession, at least get a good one, like Tetris or that girl that said no when she really meant yes." --Josh "Livestock" Boruff, Something Awful ALoD 10-11-06 In microsoft.public.xbox Rob Browning <pluvius3@hotmail.com> wrote: > >They DID buy Blue Dragon on the 360, however. > Not really: Sales spiked for about a month, then went back down to > their regular dismal number. And that was for a 360 exclusive. Even > afterwards, the 360 is way behind both the PS3 and the Wii in Japan, > despite coming out a year earlier. An RPG came out for the 360, people bought the 360. Although the spike was short lived, I think it proves that given the games, the Japanese WILL buy a 360. FF13 is one such game. I also think that it's going to be a situation where the accumulation of titles will be stronger than any single title. No game is worth $300, or $400 much less $600. However, something like Blue Dragon + Final Fantasy + one or two other minor titles? That's a pretty strong group, especially when the 360 is cheaper on top of it all. If FF13 goes multi-platform, people will have to look at the other games that are available. With the 360 sporting the larger library, there's a larger chance they'll lean that way, than towards the PS3 - especially when you throw price into the mixture. > >If we consider FF13 to be a system seller, and if it does indeed end up > >shipping on both the 360 and PS3 simultaneously, do you honestly think > >people will walk into stores and buy a PS3? Yes, I'm sure some will, just > In Japan, they will. In the West, they might not, but there's not > much incentive for Square to release multiplatform since most 360 > sales will come from people who were going to get FF13 for the PS3 > anyway. If Blue Dragon hadn't have sold out initially in Japan, I would agree with you. However, Blue Dragon proved - even if just on a small scale - that the Japanese follow the games, not the hardware. FF13 on a cheaper platform is going to make it harder for Sony to convince people to buy a PS3. You may think things like brand loyalty (or at least, brand inertia) will help Sony out, but I think many people get sticker shock from the PS3's price which causes them to either wait for the price drop, or they may even buy a 360. SignatureWin cash and giftcards just for clicking your mouse! http://www.netwinner.com/?signupCode=amuro98 |
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