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Ben - 02 Sep 2003 07:06 GMT
Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
and this means that there is a time delay of about 3-9 hours before a
message reaches the group. I have noticed at time when I posted before
other people, but their message has been shown first because they must
be posting by a faster way. Do some people who post other ways get
their message on immediately, or is there just less of a delay than
with google's processing time? What other ways are there to post here?
Would it involve using outlook express or something? I'm not too
experienced with outlook because I don't use it hardly ever. the good
thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
post, you can post anywhere.
Eric Lord Raven Junior - 02 Sep 2003 07:08 GMT
> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
> post, you can post anywhere.

I use Outlook and it's imediate...
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Dale Vermont - 02 Sep 2003 08:57 GMT
> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
> post, you can post anywhere.

Yeah use outlook, your ISP should be able to help you set it up. I am with
bigpond, not too hard
Pahsons - Somnolent - 02 Sep 2003 09:28 GMT
Falling asleep through Ben's post...

> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
> post, you can post anywhere.

Screw outlook, to easy to get a virus.

http://xnews.newsguy.com/

And if your ISP doesn't carry NGs like mine doesn't

http://news.individual.net/

Now, you only subscribe to groups you want to post to, but it has no
bearing on being able to drop groups or add groups.  I have over 50
subscribed, and it affects nothing.  Good luck

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Quaternion - 02 Sep 2003 11:50 GMT
> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
> post, you can post anywhere.

Subscribing is just telling the software that you want to put it separate
from the 32,000 other ones, it's not like you're paying a monthly fee.. You
prolly mean you don't need a news serevr. Well if your isp does have one,
you can try this : http://xnews.newsguy.com/  Most people use otulook
because they're used to it by now, but you should stay away from MS's online
products as far as possible, at all times.

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W. Blaine Dowler - 02 Sep 2003 12:27 GMT
> Do some people who post other ways get
> their message on immediately, or is there just less of a delay than
> with google's processing time?

I use my ISP's news server, and post using KNode software.  (When I was a
Windows user, I really liked Forte Free Agent.)  Give these a shot.

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NOSPAMfewilcox@earthlink.net - 06 Sep 2003 03:43 GMT
>> Do some people who post other ways get
>> their message on immediately, or is there just less of a delay than
>> with google's processing time?
>
>I use my ISP's news server, and post using KNode software.  (When I was a
>Windows user, I really liked Forte Free Agent.)  Give these a shot.

i second the Free Agent recommendation if you're running M$ windoze.

I haven't gotten Linux working quite right on my laptop yet (stupid,
crappy half-a-modem) and haven't used my desktop in so long that i
don't remember what i used to use in Linux.  Some X client, tho'...

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Rob Browning - 02 Sep 2003 19:25 GMT
>with google's processing time? What other ways are there to post here?

http://news.individual.net/ (originally known as news.cis.dfn.de)

This is the best free newsserver that I know of.

>Would it involve using outlook express or something? I'm not too

You could use OE, but it sucks.  I use Agent, personally.

>experienced with outlook because I don't use it hardly ever. the good
>thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
>post, you can post anywhere.

All subscription does is put the newsgroup on a different,
easier-to-access list within the client.  Subscription doesn't
actually sign you up for anything.

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RelMark - 11 Sep 2003 14:36 GMT
> >with google's processing time? What other ways are there to post here?
>
> http://news.individual.net/ (originally known as news.cis.dfn.de)
>
> This is the best free newsserver that I know of.

Thanks for the information.  www.newsservers.net still lists this under
the original name.  I'd applied there, but I'd probably be waiting a long
time for a response.

RelMark
HarleGuy - 02 Sep 2003 21:33 GMT
> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
> post, you can post anywhere.

I use Outlook Express, and I don't see how anything could be done better
with another program. I mean, you read text and you write text. Doesn't take
ULTIMATE NEWSGROUP3000 6.7 to do that.

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Rob Browning - 02 Sep 2003 21:36 GMT
>> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
>> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>I use Outlook Express, and I don't see how anything could be done better
>with another program. I mean, you read text and you write text. Doesn't take

Well, not getting a billion viruses is easier to do with another
program.

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Saint Avenger - 04 Sep 2003 04:01 GMT
So says Rob Browning:

> >> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> >> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Well, not getting a billion viruses is easier to do with another
> program.

Is getting a virus with OE a sure thing or something?  If so, I should start
buying lotto tickets.

- Avenger
Pahsons - Somnolent - 04 Sep 2003 09:37 GMT
Falling asleep through Saint Avenger's post...

> Is getting a virus with OE a sure thing or something?  If so, I should
> start buying lotto tickets.

Yes, and I want half your winnings!

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Ramen Junkie - 03 Sep 2003 01:25 GMT
> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
> post, you can post anywhere.

I've seen this exact post in other groups.
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Pahsons - Somnolent - 03 Sep 2003 01:37 GMT
Falling asleep through Ramen Junkie's post...

> I've seen this exact post in other groups.

Give me TEH google link!

I'm lazy

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Ramen Junkie - 03 Sep 2003 01:42 GMT
> Falling asleep through Ramen Junkie's post...
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I'm lazy

Maybe it was just very similar.  It was on alt.toys.transformers.
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Eric Lord Raven Junior - 03 Sep 2003 07:16 GMT
Netscape has a half decent News client...

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Pahsons - Somnolent - 03 Sep 2003 10:04 GMT
Falling asleep through Eric Lord Raven Junior's post...

> Netscape has a half decent News client...

But it is too easy for viruses to get through Netscape.  The only reason I
stopped using Netscape

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Zarggg - 06 Sep 2003 00:17 GMT
> Falling asleep through Eric Lord Raven Junior's post...
>
>> Netscape has a half decent News client...
>
> But it is too easy for viruses to get through Netscape.  The only reason I
>  stopped using Netscape

Um... how?
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Steve Jones - 06 Sep 2003 00:25 GMT
> > Falling asleep through Eric Lord Raven Junior's post...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Um... how?

The first step is admitting that you need the help of a higher power to stop
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Eric Lord Raven Junior - 06 Sep 2003 06:10 GMT
> > Falling asleep through Eric Lord Raven Junior's post...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Um... how?
Good question, because you can turn off inline attachments...
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Ben - 09 Sep 2003 02:32 GMT
Does anyone know how long it takes for news.individual.net to process
your information and give you your password. I sent the info for
registering on Friday and now it's Tuesday and I still haven't had any
response apart from the automated confirmation of recieving my email.
I realise that I'm in Australia and so there is a matter of hours lag
for the n.i.n people, but I would have thought that by today I
would've got a response. Oh well I'll check later today.
Pahsons - Somnolent - 09 Sep 2003 09:09 GMT
Falling asleep through Ben's post...

> Does anyone know how long it takes for news.individual.net to process
> your information and give you your password.

Took the better part of a week for me

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Homyguy Z - 10 Sep 2003 04:10 GMT
> Falling asleep through Ben's post...
>
> > Does anyone know how long it takes for news.individual.net to process
> > your information and give you your password.
>
> Took the better part of a week for me

Got it in about three days.

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Zarggg - 11 Sep 2003 04:43 GMT
>>Falling asleep through Ben's post...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> -Homyguy Z

I never heard back from my first request, and my most recent took less
than a day.
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Ben - 11 Sep 2003 10:30 GMT
> >>Falling asleep through Ben's post...
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I never heard back from my first request, and my most recent took less
> than a day.

I have a feeling I wont get a reply either. Tomorrow marks one week
passing since I sent an email, and they say it'll take about a working
day. Think I should sent again yet?
Pahsons - Somnolent - 11 Sep 2003 10:44 GMT
Falling asleep through Ben's post...

> Think I should sent again yet?

yes

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RelMark - 11 Sep 2003 14:36 GMT
> > >>Falling asleep through Ben's post...
> > >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> passing since I sent an email, and they say it'll take about a working
> day. Think I should sent again yet?

Took about a week for me to hear back from them.  Sent them an
e-mail after Rob mentioned the site and just got a reply yesterday.

RelMark
Rob Browning - 03 Sep 2003 20:34 GMT
>> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
>> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>I've seen this exact post in other groups.

Which has better music, Genesis or Super Nintendo?

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Balthasar - 04 Sep 2003 07:03 GMT
> >> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> >> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Which has better music, Genesis or Super Nintendo?

Has it been a month already?  sh.t.

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Ben - 05 Sep 2003 11:05 GMT
> > Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> > way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> I've seen this exact post in other groups.

I assure you I did not post this anywhere else apart from
alt.games.final-fantasy and alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg, but I'd be
curious to know which other post you were refering to, provided you
can give a link.
Ramen Junkie - 05 Sep 2003 17:13 GMT
> > > Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> > > way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> curious to know which other post you were refering to, provided you
> can give a link.

A bit of investigation suggests this is the message I was thinking of
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1366040705d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&se
lm=95f16a90.0308010413.7ef64b9d%40posting.google.com

you may need to cut and paste.

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Ben - 06 Sep 2003 01:45 GMT
> > "Ramen Junkie" <lameazoid@gamebox.nett> wrote in message
>  news:<Yxa5b.4170$bc1.4087@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> you may need to cut and paste.

Well it's not the same, but it addresses pretty much the same thing.
I'm going to try News.Individual.Net which someone recommended. I'm
still waiting for my registration to be processed. I still don't
exactly understand how these news servers work. Do they just supply a
collection of ngs from usenet or something which are also available
through different news servers or do different news servers have a
collection of completely different ngs?
Ramen Junkie - 06 Sep 2003 02:17 GMT
> > > "Ramen Junkie" <lameazoid@gamebox.nett> wrote in message
> >  news:<Yxa5b.4170$bc1.4087@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> >
> > A bit of investigation suggests this is the message I was thinking of

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1366040705d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&se
> > lm=95f16a90.0308010413.7ef64b9d%40posting.google.com
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> through different news servers or do different news servers have a
> collection of completely different ngs?

For the most part each server offers it's own set of newsgroups, often
numbering in the tens of thousands or more.  These groups are interconnected
though, like I post to them via prodigy but you would post through
individual.net, but we still see each other's posts.  The set of groups is
pretty regular across the board unless you're looking for something really
obscure that no one posts to anyway.  Usually it's some sort of fake fan
group or something created by trolls if you don't get it.  like
alt.games.final-fantasy.relm-is-fooey or some such.

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Jason - 17 Sep 2003 02:04 GMT
> Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thing about Google is that you don't need to subscribe to a group to
> post, you can post anywhere.

All you need is a newsgroup server.  If you are on dial-up, they probably
have one.  Look on their website for the address.  Logon is usually your
internet logon/password.  If you don't, their are newsgroup servers out
there (most are non-free) or you can set up your own server if you have a
Linux box or something.
Ben - 17 Sep 2003 09:27 GMT
> > Now that I've got your attention I would like to ask about the various
> > way people post to this (and other) groups. I post using Google groups
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> there (most are non-free) or you can set up your own server if you have a
> Linux box or something.

Thanks for the advice, although you did seem to miss an entire thread
of discussions. I'll check to see if my isp has any news servers, but
I have already signed up for new.individual.net and am still waiting
to be a registered user.
Ben Smith - 26 Sep 2003 03:36 GMT
I finally got a reply from news.individual.net. Because I was getting junk
mail gallore in my yahoo account, their response must not have got though.
Now this is my new hotmail account. This is still the same Ben who had the
email imnotscurrilous@yahoo.com.au. I am using outlook express currently
because it is what was already on my computer, but I just want to know how
do you go down to further older threads past the ones at the bottom. I
personally liked Google groups setup, but even now I see the problem with
it. I post here and the response is pretty much instantaneous, but it
probably wont show up on Google for about 3-9 hours. I don't know if that
meant that my responses went straight through before, but I couldn't see
them on Google, or that it actually took google 3-9 hours to get the message
to the news server. I think the first case is more likely. Anyway, I'm just
rambling on. Perhaps those people who don't use OE can suggest a better free
downloadable newsreader program.
DeMoN LaG - 26 Sep 2003 03:55 GMT
"Ben Smith" <chrizizhere@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bl08o2$6n6ng$1@ID-
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> Perhaps those people who don't use OE can suggest a better free
> downloadable newsreader program.

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