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Freedom Fries - 25 Dec 2005 18:29 GMT Be careful folks. Going to a vegan meeting to exchange portobello mushroom recipes could get you on the FBI's terrorist list.
New Documents Show FBI Targeting Environmental and Animal Rights Groups Activities as 'Domestic Terrorism' (12/20/2005)
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NEW YORK -- According to new documents released today by the American Civil Liberties Union, the FBI is using counterterrorism resources to monitor and infiltrate domestic political organizations that criticize business interests and government policies, despite a lack of evidence that the groups are engaging in or supporting violent action.
The ACLU said that the documents released today on Greenpeace, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) show the FBI expanding the definition of "domestic terrorism" to include citizens and groups that participate in lawful protests or civil disobedience.
"The FBI should use its resources to investigate credible threats to national security instead of spending time tracking Americans who criticize government policy, or monitoring groups that have not broken the law," said Ann Beeson, Associate Legal Director of the ACLU. "Labeling law abiding groups and their members 'domestic terrorists' is not only irresponsible, it has a chilling effect on the vibrant tradition of political dissent in this country."
The documents were obtained by the ACLU after the organization filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to discover whether the FBI's partnerships with local law enforcement in Joint Terrorism Task Forces has resulted in increased surveillance of political and religious activity.
Among the documents released today were more than 100 pages of FBI files on PETA. Multiple documents indicate ongoing surveillance of PETA-related meetings and activities, including a "Vegan Community Project" event at the University of Indiana during which the group distributed vegetarian starter kits to students and faculty, an animal rights conference in Washington, DC that was open to the public, and a planned protest of Cindy Crawford's decision to become a llama fur spokesperson.
The ACLU said that FBI surveillance of mainstream organizations involved in public education campaigns has allowed the bureau to maintain files with names and other information on law-abiding Americans who support or participate in events organized by the groups. One file released by the FBI in response to a request for ADC's records included a contact list for students and peace activists who participated in a 2002 conference at Stanford University, which focused on ending U.S. sanctions against Iraq.
"The FBI should be investigating real terrorists, not monitoring controversial ideas," said Ben Wizner, an ACLU staff attorney. "Americans shouldn't have to fear that by protesting the treatment of animals or participating in non-violent civil disobedience, they will be branded as 'eco-terrorists' in FBI records."
The ACLU said that some of the documents suggest infiltration by undercover "sources" at animal rights meetings and conferences. One highly redacted "Domestic Terrorism Operations Unit" document suggests that the FBI is using PETA's interns for surveillance, while others describe attempts to locate and interview "several former disgruntled PETA employees." Similarly, one cryptic e-mail kept in a Greenpeace file describes a source who "offers a unique opportunity to gain intelligence on activists who show a clear predisposition to violate the law."
At times, the documents show aggressive attempts by the FBI to link PETA, Greenpeace and other mainstream organizations to activists associated with the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) or Earth Liberation Front (ELF), said the ACLU. PETA, in particular, is repeatedly and falsely singled out as a "front" for militant organizations although in at least one document released today the FBI appears to acknowledge that it has no evidence to back up such assertions.
"These documents show the erosion of freedom of association and speech that Americans have taken for granted and which set us apart from oppressive countries," said Jeff Kerr, General Counsel for PETA. "McCarthyist tactics used against PETA and other groups that speak out against cruelty to animals and exploitive corporate and government practices are un-American, unconstitutional and against the interests of a healthy democracy."
The documents released by the ACLU also include FBI observances on supposed Communist leanings of the Catholic Workers Group (CWG). In an e-mail to the counterterrorism unit, an unidentified official wrote, "the Catholic Workers advocated peace with a Christian and semi-communistic ideology." In another document, an agent writes, "Based on the author's interpretation of comments made by various CWG protestors, CWG also advocates a communist distribution of resources."
ACLU affiliates in 20 states have filed similar requests on behalf of more than 150 groups and individuals. Earlier this month, the ACLU of Colorado revealed that the FBI had tracked the names, license plate numbers and vehicle registration information of participants at a peaceful protest of the North American Wholesale Lumber Association in Colorado Springs in June 2002.
To view the FBI documents released by the ACLU, go to: www.aclu.org/spyfiles.
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/23124prs20051220.html
Bryan S. Slick - 25 Dec 2005 18:56 GMT At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into the street and beaten by an angry mob for writing..
:Be careful folks. Going to a vegan meeting to exchange portobello mushroom :recipes could get you on the FBI's terrorist list. You say that like there's something wrong with it.
Vegans are freaks and hypocrites.
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Justin Pate - 25 Dec 2005 19:08 GMT > At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into the > street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Vegans are freaks and hypocrites. Yep, Bryan is right.
DarkSheer - 26 Dec 2005 20:52 GMT >> At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into >> the street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > Yep, Bryan is right. Stupid troll. Are you going to have no problem if the government tells us where to eat and live?
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Justin Pate - 26 Dec 2005 21:52 GMT > >> At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into > >> the street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ryan It's not the government that's a threat to telling me what to eat. It's the militant vegans who are the problem. In fact, the government isn't much of a threat to me on anything, but then I don't exactly go looking for trouble......
And how exactly am I a stupid troll again?
DarkSheer - 26 Dec 2005 22:08 GMT >>>> At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into >>>> the street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > And how exactly am I a stupid troll again? Because you say you're afraid of vegans. Loon.
Ryan
John Mayer - 15 Mar 2006 00:19 GMT > At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into the > street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Vegans are freaks and hypocrites. And you're a pimply-faced loser with too much fat in your diet and nothing more to do with your empty life than troll newsgroups you aren't interested in, devoted to topics you know nothing about.
Bryan S. Slick - 15 Mar 2006 01:28 GMT At about Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:19:40 -0500, was dragged into the street and beaten by an angry mob for writing..
:> At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into the :> street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] :nothing more to do with your empty life than troll newsgroups you :aren't interested in, devoted to topics you know nothing about. Umm.. you been stewing over this since Christmas, or are you just now catching up on posts made at the end of 2005?
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Hector Illium - 15 Mar 2006 05:03 GMT >> At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into the >> street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >nothing more to do with your empty life than troll newsgroups you >aren't interested in, devoted to topics you know nothing about. He thinks it's manly in a Brokeback kinda way.
Ike - 15 Mar 2006 14:50 GMT >> At about 25 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100, Freedom Fries was dragged into >> the street and beaten by an angry mob for writing.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > nothing more to do with your empty life than troll newsgroups you aren't > interested in, devoted to topics you know nothing about. Irritable freaks and hypocrites, at that.
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the Bede - 25 Dec 2005 19:10 GMT > Be careful folks. Going to a vegan meeting to exchange portobello mushroom > recipes could provide evidence that you're a doofus. Tony Rice - 25 Dec 2005 19:56 GMT "Freedom Fries" <GeorgeWCaligula@warmonger.com> wrote in news:43aee502_2@x- privat.org:
> New Documents Show FBI Targeting Environmental and Animal Rights Groups > Activities as 'Domestic Terrorism' (12/20/2005) I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next home grown terroristic incident came from PETA or the like.
TripleW864 - 26 Dec 2005 01:11 GMT > Be careful folks. Going to a vegan meeting to exchange portobello mushroom > recipes could get you on the FBI's terrorist list. Duh... Carrot Juice is Murder!
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al mundy - 26 Dec 2005 04:15 GMT >> Be careful folks. Going to a vegan meeting to exchange portobello >> mushroom >> recipes could get you on the FBI's terrorist list. > > Duh... Carrot Juice is Murder! Are they american carrots? Or islamic carrots?
Night Spirit - 27 Dec 2005 00:31 GMT TripleW864 Boldly typed:
>> Be careful folks. Going to a vegan meeting to exchange portobello >> mushroom recipes could get you on the FBI's terrorist list. > > Duh... Carrot Juice is Murder! Ever stop to consider the sexual harrassment lawsuits that a tree could file for being hug without permission?
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Gooserider - 26 Dec 2005 02:31 GMT Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no?
Terraholm - 26 Dec 2005 04:50 GMT > Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The > Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? They are criminals with a 'cause' for a motive. But that motive does not make them an 'enemy' of the nation. Since when is arson of a feed store a military matter? Should they not at least have to kill one human before we call out the army to spy on them?
Terror is a tactic not an entity Is treating terrorists as a foreign government's army instead of as criminals really working? Spain and Britain went after the ones bombing the train stations as criminals with law enforcement agencies and caught them, they did not invade Algeria or Pakistan...
Besides that spying on PETA members will not get you to ALF fanatics....
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Darth Chaos - 26 Dec 2005 09:18 GMT Committing serious crimes (vandalism, arson, and bombings...I ain't talking about Mickey Mouse misdemeanors such as indecent exposure or disorderly conduct) in an effort to destroy an industry is definitely an act of terrorism.
Wonko the Sane - 26 Dec 2005 16:56 GMT > > Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The > > Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? > > They are criminals with a 'cause' for a motive. But that motive does not make them an 'enemy' of the > nation. Since when is arson of a feed store a military matter? Since when was the FBI part of the military?
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Terraholm - 26 Dec 2005 18:31 GMT >>> Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The >>> Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Since when was the FBI part of the military? label them terrorists and they will soon be 'enemy combantants'. =)
Charles Beauchamp - 26 Dec 2005 22:06 GMT >>>> Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The >>>> Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > label them terrorists and they will soon be 'enemy combantants'. =) Uncorrect in your use of definitional thingies.
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Charles Beauchamp - 26 Dec 2005 22:04 GMT >> Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The >> Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > store a military matter? Should they not at least have to kill one > human before we call out the army to spy on them? Think about that standard for a second Laurel. Should surveillance only come after a group is responsible for killing someone? I should think that surveillance should come in order to prevent a group from killing someone. Beyond that it is just a question of what groups should be monitored.
> Terror is a tactic not an entity > Is treating terrorists as a foreign government's army instead of as > criminals really working? Spain and Britain went after the ones > bombing the train stations as criminals with law enforcement agencies > and caught them, they did not invade Algeria or Pakistan... They caught the folks that were in Spain and Britain. We have done the smae thing in this country but Spain and Britain have also been partners in the worldwide war on terror and have both been active in international military operations.
> Besides that spying on PETA members will not get you to ALF > fanatics.... This is true. ALF fanatics look at PETA as whimpy little pussies.
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Terraholm - 26 Dec 2005 23:41 GMT >>> Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The >>> Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > killing someone. Beyond that it is just a question of what groups > should be monitored. It was a joke about the word terrorist becoming used for everything and then those so labled are enemies of the nation and I forgot to add a smiley.
ALF are criminals. That they have animal 'rights' as a cause instead of other motives does not The way ALF is set up it is not a national organization and local law enforcement is the best bet. Their is no real leadership they just peach their crap and hope people will act on it.
That their original "leaders" likely had PETA ties at one time is a given. Perhaps maybe likely PETA helped fund their stuff in the past but the ties became known and PETA is pretty careful now. PETA has turned into more of a business than a cause anyway. But most PETA members are little old ladies with 4 cats that think they are saving mink not understanding that PETAs agenda includes not allowing people to own pets... it is quite a trick really they make millions from their very targets...
>> Terror is a tactic not an entity >> Is treating terrorists as a foreign government's army instead of as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They caught the folks that were in Spain and Britain. Exactly. They treated it as a criminal matter.
>We have done > the smae thing in this country but Spain and Britain have also been > partners in the worldwide war on terror and have both been active in > international military operations.
>> Besides that spying on PETA members will not get you to ALF >> fanatics.... > > This is true. ALF fanatics look at PETA as whimpy little pussies. And yet that seems to be the plan...waste of money and effort.
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Charles Beauchamp - 27 Dec 2005 07:10 GMT >>>> Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The >>>> Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and then those so labled are enemies of the nation and I forgot to > add a smiley. Damndest thing is so did I. Not enuff sleep this weekend I suppose.
> ALF are criminals. That they have animal 'rights' as a cause instead > of other motives does not The way ALF is set up it is not a national > organization and local law > enforcement is the best bet. Their is no real leadership they just > peach their crap and hope people will act on it. Sounds a lot like Al Qaida in that respect. Heh.
> That their original "leaders" likely had PETA ties at one time is a > given. Perhaps maybe likely PETA helped fund their stuff in the past [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > allowing people to own pets... it is quite a trick really they make > millions from their very targets... Ya plus they ignore the plight of field animals by encouraging people to become vegetarians. HYPOCRITES!!!
>>> Terror is a tactic not an entity >>> Is treating terrorists as a foreign government's army instead of as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Exactly. They treated it as a criminal matter. Which can only work within your ownborders silly.
>> We have done >> the smae thing in this country but Spain and Britain have also been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And yet that seems to be the plan...waste of money and effort. Personally I think we should feed the vegetarians to starving folks in Africa but don't quote me on that when I lead the Monarchists to the Presidency in 2009 or 2012.
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Terraholm - 27 Dec 2005 08:09 GMT >>>>> Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. >>>>> The Animal Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Damndest thing is so did I. Not enuff sleep this weekend I suppose.
>> ALF are criminals. That they have animal 'rights' as a cause instead >> of other motives does not The way ALF is set up it is not a national [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sounds a lot like Al Qaida in that respect. Heh. Yeah...well I have not seen too many people so afraid of ALF suicide bombings they stay clear of McDs... =)
>> That their original "leaders" likely had PETA ties at one time is a >> given. Perhaps maybe likely PETA helped fund their stuff in the past [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ya plus they ignore the plight of field animals by encouraging people > to become vegetarians. HYPOCRITES!!! Oh PETA's real agenda is to end all human use of animals in any manner. And their humane rhetoric is a smokescreen. HSUS is about as bad.
Read the "Hijacking of the Humane Movement" sometime.
>>>> Terror is a tactic not an entity >>>> Is treating terrorists as a foreign government's army instead of as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Which can only work within your ownborders silly. Some of them were shipped back to the UK from Italy...
>>> We have done >>> the smae thing in this country but Spain and Britain have also been [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Africa but don't quote me on that when I lead the Monarchists to the > Presidency in 2009 or 2012. lol...
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David E. Powell - 26 Dec 2005 05:08 GMT > Since there is a PETA/ALF connection, surveillance makes sense. The Animal > Liberation Front is a terrorist organization, no? The connection people have made is not just similar outlooks (Advocating for more open space is one thing, burning down a construction project is another) but funding ties as well....
David E. Powell - 26 Dec 2005 05:18 GMT What I would like to see is if they would release a 1980s TV movie called "Special Bulletin" on video, or if someone would air it sometime. It was really, really ahead of its' time in media/political commentary, themes, et cetera.
I believe that some of the characters in that one are environmentalists as well as anti nuclear activists, and a twist gets thrown in that is pretty daring. Ditto the commentary on the media, which is subtle at points but powerful.
It also has David Rasche in it, and more people should have the opportunity to see this guy act, he's pretty talented.
Darth Chaos - 26 Dec 2005 09:11 GMT Vegans/vegetarians have the right to be vegans/vegetarians. Being a vegan/vegetarian is not an act of terrorism (and being a meat eater and eating meat is not an act of terrorism, either [and don't give me any "but it's terrorism against animals" bullshit because animals have no rights). However, they do not have the right to "persuade" others into going vegan/vegetarian by resorting to vandalism, theft, arson, and bombings. Any vegan/vegetarian who advocates the vandalism of a KFC is no better than the jihadists and suicide bombers in the Middle East.
I wonder if vegan suicide bombers get 72 virgin cattle to f.ck in their "paradise". :)
trijcomm - 26 Dec 2005 14:49 GMT Defending the ACLU gets you no points.
Lord Hatred - 26 Dec 2005 15:39 GMT > Defending the ACLU gets you no points. Wy do you hate your civil liberties? Why do you hate America?
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trijcomm - 27 Dec 2005 01:50 GMT >Wy do you hate your civil liberties? Why do you hate America? Why can't you spell? Why do you hate education?
Lord Hatred - 27 Dec 2005 02:23 GMT > >Wy do you hate your civil liberties? Why do you hate America? > > Why can't you spell? Why do you hate education? Why do you hate mistakes? Why do you hate yourself?
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OneTrueGod777@aol.com - 27 Dec 2005 02:18 GMT The ACLU is one of the most corrupted organization there is.
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