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Final Fantasy X and religion

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Thomas Wootten - 14 Nov 2005 15:22 GMT
Does FFX not seem like an attack on religion. It appears to me that not only
is the concept of organised religion attacked, but the basic beliefs as
well. The teachings of Yevon, that everyone had faith in, are ultimately
found to be 'false hope'. is this like saying that the
judaeo-christian-islamic concepts of heaven, final judgement, etc, are
nothing more than false hope.

so is this an attack on religion, or simply a consequence of the difference
between 'western' and 'eastern' ideas?

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Avenger - 14 Nov 2005 20:47 GMT
> Does FFX not seem like an attack on religion. It appears to me that not only
> is the concept of organised religion attacked, but the basic beliefs as
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> so is this an attack on religion, or simply a consequence of the difference
> between 'western' and 'eastern' ideas?

Isn't the game asking us to reconsider what deserves our true "faith"?  
Organized decorum/doctrine-based ceremonious religion takes a bit of a
beating, but after all, Tidus is just a dream that results from that
religion in a way.

- Avenger
Jonathan McArthur - 14 Nov 2005 21:19 GMT
> Does FFX not seem like an attack on religion. It appears to me that not only
> is the concept of organised religion attacked, but the basic beliefs as
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> so is this an attack on religion, or simply a consequence of the difference
> between 'western' and 'eastern' ideas?

If you thought that was hot saucy criticism of organised religion, just
you wait 'til Final Fantasy XII comes out, where there's this land
grounded in the teachings of prophet called "Je'Sus" but (OMG!) it turns
out that he was just the founding point for organised institutional
tyranny in the land ("J'Europa"). And, whoa guys, Matrix-whoa, Je'Sus
was hooking up with prostitutes and having children whose descendents
are scattered around J'Europa and hidden from the Evil Gratholic Church,
because he knew what would happen and felt a bit bad about it. That and
he wanted to do some hookers before heading back up to G-Town. (Wouldn't
you?)

Anyway, back to the game: you, as a brainy, handsome
professor-slash-adventurer, practically the second coming anyway, must
go on a crazy, incoherent mission around a bunch of places in J'Europa
with a really hot younger girl who turns out to be the last surviving
descendent of Je'Sus, and go find the secret truth by solving really
tough puzzles by D'Vincy (nevermind that an eight year old could solve
them) and have to kill your cooky friend Lee Teabag because he turned
out (surprise, surprise) to be a nasty little spiteful Briton, like all
the other Britons in American thrillers/RPGs, and so you wind up at Hot
Girl's Not-Actually-Dead-After-All Mother's house, where you seduce them
all by mashing all the buttons furiously. Then to escape you flee to
Guatemala and breed a supersoldier enemy of the Gratholics, whom you
name Steve Antiguaist.

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Darren Grey - 15 Nov 2005 20:47 GMT
>> Does FFX not seem like an attack on religion. It appears to me that not
>> only
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> and breed a supersoldier enemy of the Gratholics, whom you name Steve
> Antiguaist.

This story sounds surprisingly similar to something else...  Are Square
rehashing ideas from Xenogears...?

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Darren Grey
Jonathan McArthur - 15 Nov 2005 21:06 GMT
>>>Does FFX not seem like an attack on religion. It appears to me that not
>>>only
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> This story sounds surprisingly similar to something else...  Are Square
> rehashing ideas from Xenogears...?

Yes, that must be it.

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HitMan333 - 15 Nov 2005 15:48 GMT
> Does FFX not seem like an attack on religion. It appears to me that not only
> is the concept of organised religion attacked, but the basic beliefs as
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> so is this an attack on religion, or simply a consequence of the difference
> between 'western' and 'eastern' ideas?

Between FFX, Xenogears and FF Tactics, I'm convinced Squaresoft hates
religion.

HitMan333
Chaotic Angel - 16 Nov 2005 15:51 GMT
> > Does FFX not seem like an attack on religion. It appears to me that not only
> > is the concept of organised religion attacked, but the basic beliefs as
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> HitMan333

Even if they do... they are more than entitled to thier own opinions...
 
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