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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Final Fantasy / October 2005Lower IQs Equal Support for Bush
They aren't called redumblicans for nothing. http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm AVERAGE POP PRESIDENT LIST STATE IQ ELECT 1 Connecticut 113 John Kerry 2 Massachusetts 111 John Kerry 3 New Jersey 111 John Kerry 4 New York 109 John Kerry 5 Rhode Island 107 John Kerry 6 Hawaii 106 John Kerry 7 Maryland 105 John Kerry 8 New Hampshire 105 John Kerry 9 Illinois 104 John Kerry 10 Delaware 103 John Kerry 11 Minnesota 102 John Kerry 12 Vermont 102 John Kerry 13 Washington 102 John Kerry 14 California 101 John Kerry 15 Pennsylvania 101 John Kerry 16 Maine 100 John Kerry 17 Virginia 100 George Bush 18 Wisconsin 100 John Kerry 19 Colorado 99 George Bush 20 Iowa 99 George Bush 21 Michigan 99 John Kerry 22 Nevada 99 George Bush 23 Ohio 99 George Bush 24 Oregon 99 John Kerry 25 Alaska 98 George Bush 26 Florida 98 George Bush 27 Missouri 98 George Bush 28 Kansas 96 George Bush 29 Nebraska 95 George Bush 30 Arizona 94 George Bush 31 Indiana 94 George Bush 32 Tennessee 94 George Bush 33 North Carolina 93 George Bush 34 West Virginia 93 George Bush 35 Arkansas 92 George Bush 36 Georgia 92 George Bush 37 Kentucky 92 George Bush 38 New Mexico 92 George Bush 39 North Dakota 92 George Bush 40 Texas 92 George Bush 41 Alabama 90 George Bush 42 Louisiana 90 George Bush 43 Montana 90 George Bush 44 Oklahoma 90 George Bush 45 South Dakota 90 George Bush 46 South Carolina 89 George Bush 47 Wyoming 89 George Bush 48 Idaho 87 George Bush 49 Utah 87 George Bush 50 Mississippi 85 George Bush those with the higher iq's are working class and working class voted for Bush... youre the type of idiot the mirror likes to brainwash... > They aren't called redumblicans for nothing. > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > 49 Utah 87 George Bush > 50 Mississippi 85 George Bush Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. He handled Iraq ALL wrong(Invading it was definitely the worst catastrophe since Vietnam). He's not a moron. But obviously-his knowledge about political science is pretty limited. However-his fiscal policies have been excellent. His tax cuts, etc for small business has spurned economic growth. While he went overboard by favoring wealthy individual tax payers, what he did for small businesses and for businesses in general has helped our economy tremendously since '01. Not a fan of the deficits he brought us in, however. But like with Reagan, we should be able to get out of them. Overall-I would give him a C+/B-. While he's made some VERY bad boo-boos, he's not exactly the "Nazi" that the Michael Moore's of this world make him out to be. > Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tremendously since '01. Not a fan of the deficits he brought us in, > however. But like with Reagan, we should be able to get out of them. How does that get described as "excellent"? > Overall-I would give him a C+/B-. While he's made some VERY bad > boo-boos, he's not exactly the "Nazi" that the Michael Moore's of this > world make him out to be.  SignatureStefan http://pillartopost.blogspot.com http://www.livejournal.com/users/lord_hatred/ > Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > boo-boos, he's not exactly the "Nazi" that the Michael Moore's of this > world make him out to be. So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, the new inflation numbers and the jobs that went out of the USA? And, the deficit is more tthan a pesky peoblem, if it was a democratic deficit, they would be screaming for their heads, and you know it. >> Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? > the new inflation numbers and the jobs that went out of the USA? CLINTON LOVED NAFTA TOOO.. SO THAT ALSO IS MOOT > And, the deficit as opposed to the surplus built on high assed taxes? No thanks. >is more tthan a pesky peoblem, if it was a democratic deficit, they would be >screaming for their heads, and you know it. youll never get the chance running coomunist-lites and easily beatable woodmen like Elm Gore. > >> Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, > So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? I couldn't help but notice the multi-billion dollar overinflated fed being unable to respond to anational disater, after bush said he ahd that sh.t under control with his great DoHLS. it's ajoke, and so are you. > > the new inflation numbers and the jobs that went out of the USA? > > CLINTON LOVED NAFTA TOOO.. SO THAT ALSO IS MOOT He's not the president. > > And, the deficit > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > youll never get the chance running coomunist-lites and easily beatable > woodmen like Elm Gore. Your a waste of tissue. >>>Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? So you either ignored, or didn't notice, that the price of gas was rising way before any word of hurricanes even came up? >>And, the deficit > > as opposed to the surplus built on high assed taxes? No thanks. So you'd rather have a poor country than taxes. That's just selfish. >>> Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, > So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? Does Dubya believe in a personal God that targets people with his wrath? >>So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, > So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? Man, I knew Katrina was powerful, but not so much that it caused prices to go up months before it hit! Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "There should be a rule that if you slack off while an American city is destroyed, and then your response is to fly around hugging people and making excuses, you have to stop being President. And if it happens again four years later, you _really_ have to stop." --Get Your War On (www.mnftiu.cc) 9/13/05 > >>So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, > > So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Rob > ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net Here, I'd disagree with your contention, that is, unless he's truly claiming that a rise in gas prices, months before the hurricane hit, was caused by the hurricane. Out this way, the *day after* Katrina hit, gas prices rose THIRTY cents a gallon. That rise is being investigated by at least one governor of a western state. >>>> So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, >>> So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > That rise is being investigated by at least one governor of a western > state. But low and behold, they are back to where they were before it hit. At least here in michigan. Gas rose by almost a $2 since bush took over. Are you going to account that to inflation? Ryan >>>>> So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, >>>> So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >least here in michigan. Gas rose by almost a $2 since bush took over. Are >you going to account that to inflation? WOW so you're teling me that in 2000 I paid 47 cents a gallon? >>>>>> So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, >>>>> So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > WOW so you're teling me that in 2000 I paid 47 cents a gallon? I was paying $1-1.25. Now it's around $2.80. Moot point. Ryan >>>>>>> So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, >>>>>> So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >I was paying $1-1.25. Now it's around $2.80. Moot point. No sh.t? I paid $2.47 for regular unleaded yesterday. >>>>>>>> So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, >>>>>>> So you either ignored, or didnt notice the f.cking hurricanes? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > No sh.t? I paid $2.47 for regular unleaded yesterday. Lucky bastard. Then again, I might be able to get that if I go into ohio. Haven't been there in awhile so I'm not sure. Ryan > So, you either ignored, or did not notice the price of gas, the new > inflation numbers and the jobs that went out of the USA? And, the deficit > is more tthan a pesky peoblem, if it was a democratic deficit, they would > be > screaming for their heads, and you know it. - Gas prices have been steadily rising since 1996 and both Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Kerry all said there isnt much they can do about it. - As for outsourcing. It wasnt Bush who signed Nafta. It was Clinton - As for the record deficit... We hit one of the deepest and fastest recessions ever 2 months after Clinton left office and before Bush ever even signed a bill. Like I said... you Democrats are easy to brain wash. > Overall-I would give him a C+/B-. While he's made some VERY bad > boo-boos, he's not exactly the "Nazi" that the Michael Moore's of this > world make him out to be. The lack of overall consideration for the loss of innocent life in Iraq represented here is a really horrible notion of uncaringness towards the value of life in general. > > Overall-I would give him a C+/B-. While he's made some VERY bad > > boo-boos, he's not exactly the "Nazi" that the Michael Moore's of this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > represented here is a really horrible notion of uncaringness towards the > value of life in general. This person passes of the deaths of thousands of innocents, the sorrow, suffering and misery of a country invaded on a pack of lies as a boo boo. I don't belive this. A boo boo. This guy is as dissconnected from reality as he can be. In article <1129693816.845224.155890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, billparcellsfan2003@yahoo.com took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > Honestly-Bush hasn't been all that bad. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > boo-boos, he's not exactly the "Nazi" that the Michael Moore's of this > world make him out to be. HAHAHAHAHHAA !! Not one sentence in this assslurping post is true. SignatureNoodles Jefferson mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30 sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM "Our earth is degenerate in these latter days, bribery and corruption are common, children no longer obey their parents and the end of the world is evidently approaching." --Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C. There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a state 'average IQ' list. This goes down with the admitted Doonesbury lie that President Bush has the lowest IQ of all presidents over the past 50 years. And the fact that you apparently believed this foolishness only goes to show (a) that the truly stupid people voted for Kerry, and (b) that the left will say and do anything to assassinate the character of this president and conservatives in general. > > They aren't called redumblicans for nothing. > > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > 49 Utah 87 George Bush > > 50 Mississippi 85 George Bush > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > left will say and do anything to assassinate the character of this > president and conservatives in general. He's just a dummy who got fooled. I feel sorry for him if anything. > > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > > state 'average IQ' list. They do, however, keep track of adult literacy rates, and percentages of the population with degrees. Oddly enough, they both show the same thing. More degrees, more literacy, more votes for Kerry. more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > > > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > > > state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > | Oddly enough, they both show the same thing. More degrees, more exposure to |liberalism , more votes for Kerry. Fixed at no charge. > > > > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > > > > state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Fixed at no charge. No problem. You would expect people that can read being exposed to more liberalism. >> > > > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >compiled a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >No problem. You would expect people that can read being exposed to more >liberalism. To the exclusion of conservatism? >> > > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a >> > > state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Fixed at no charge. Yeah man, reading is for lying liebrals. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "There should be a rule that if you slack off while an American city is destroyed, and then your response is to fly around hugging people and making excuses, you have to stop being President. And if it happens again four years later, you _really_ have to stop." --Get Your War On (www.mnftiu.cc) 9/13/05 >>> > > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >>> > > compiled a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Yeah man, reading is for lying liebrals. Another fraud post all the Dems fall for. This is getting embarrassing at this point. There is no meaningful difference in literacy rates between any states in the US. Back to your Dem cave to concoct some more bullshit only Dems will believe anyway.. >>>> > > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >>>> > > compiled a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >states in the US. Back to your Dem cave to concoct some more bullshit only >Dems will believe anyway.. I wasn't defending the implied claim above (I don't care enough to find out the truth), I was responding to the idea that reading (he changed the word "literacy" to "exposure to liberalism") does nothing but turn one into a commie pinko. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "There should be a rule that if you slack off while an American city is destroyed, and then your response is to fly around hugging people and making excuses, you have to stop being President. And if it happens again four years later, you _really_ have to stop." --Get Your War On (www.mnftiu.cc) 9/13/05 >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a >> > state 'average IQ' list. > >They do, however, keep track of adult literacy rates, and percentages of the >population with degrees. Sure they do, but what does it mean? Does it mean that all smart people voted for Kerry and all dumb people voted for Bush? >Oddly enough, they both show the same thing. More degrees, more literacy, >more votes for Kerry. > >more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. That's an incredibly simplistic point of view. > >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > >> > state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > That's an incredibly simplistic point of view. So is 51% of the vote being a "MANDATE". But I don't see you picking on Bush for saying so. >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled >a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >So is 51% of the vote being a "MANDATE". But I don't see you picking on >Bush for saying so. But when they get out their red crayons and color all the wasteland red, it looks so impressive! > >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled > >a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > But when they get out their red crayons and color all the wasteland > red, it looks so impressive! Heck, we all know that those rural areas contain the smartest people. There goes Billy Carter now! I love it whan a Bush backer calls my view "simplistic" but two weeks later tells us the economy is doing fine because there are a couple indicators heading upward. >> >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER > compiled [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > There > goes Billy Carter now! Poor whites in rural areas = stupid. Poor minorities in urban areas = brilliant. Kinda like how Michael Moore never met a dumb black guy, right? > >> >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER > > compiled [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Poor whites in rural areas = stupid. Poor minorities in urban areas = > brilliant. Kinda like how Michael Moore never met a dumb black guy, right? Rural area residents = unawareness of current events except the price of milk supports and pork bellys. urban residents=awareness of current events that affect the world and the exonomy. Better? >> > "will(from the reality based community)" <willmills@canoemail.com> >> > wrote [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Better? Have you ever been in a poor urban area? Watch Jaywalking on Leno sometime to see how aware the urban poor are about world events. >>>> "will(from the reality based community)" <willmills@canoemail.com> >>>> wrote [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Have you ever been in a poor urban area? Watch Jaywalking on Leno > sometime to see how aware the urban poor are about world events. Wow! Are you naive! Leno might do any number of interviews and then select the dumbest and funniest for his show. Your interview would be sure to get on....dumbest and funniest. >>>>> "will(from the reality based community)" <willmills@canoemail.com> >>>>> wrote [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Wow! Are you naive! Thinking the hudled masses of poor people in the ghetto are brilliant makes one naive, boy. > Leno might do any number of interviews and then select the dumbest and > funniest for his show. Really??? Are you serious??? I had no clue! > Your interview would be sure to get on....dumbest and funniest. That joke shows you have no future in comedy, that's for sure. >> >> >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >> > compiled [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >Better? Again, too simplistic. This is becoming a trend with you. > >> >> >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER > >> > compiled [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Again, too simplistic. This is becoming a trend with you. Look at what I'm dealing with. >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" <willmills@canoemail.com> >wrote [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >Look at what I'm dealing with. Yeah, it must be a bitch to have a low IQ and to be further hampered by extended periods of drug abuse. > >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" <willmills@canoemail.com> > >wrote > >> >> > in > >> >> > message news:paucl1l9e1l7ta8uk4b00t51n6v26nr1dd@4ax.com... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> "TLG" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1dbf853df2c4ccbd9896ff@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net... > >> >> >> >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER > >> >> > compiled [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Yeah, it must be a bitch to have a low IQ and to be further hampered > by extended periods of drug abuse. Tell us about it, Spike. Maybe we can help. >> >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" <willmills@canoemail.com> >> >wrote [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > >Tell us about it, Spike. Maybe we can help. I've never used drugs. I don't even drink. > >> >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" <willmills@canoemail.com> > >> >wrote [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > I've never used drugs. I don't even drink. So what was it that caused your present condition? >> >> >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" ><willmills@canoemail.com> [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > >So what was it that caused your present condition? Sanity. > >> >> >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" > ><willmills@canoemail.com> [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > Sanity. So that's what your therapist tells you, anyway. >> >> >> >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" >> ><willmills@canoemail.com> [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > >So that's what your therapist tells you, anyway. I don't see a therapist. What, you're a prison shrink now to go along with your Prison Ho Degree? > >> >> >> >> >> > "will(from the reality based community)" > >> ><willmills@canoemail.com> [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > I don't see a therapist. What, you're a prison shrink now to go along > with your Prison Ho Degree? Doesn't take a shrink to know you need help. I thought maybe you were smart enough to get some. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:48:59 GMT, "Al Mundy" ><unknownr@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > >Doesn't take a shrink to know you need help. Naw, liberals like you know it all. >I thought maybe you were smart >enough to get some. Who is the habitual criminal in this discussion? > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:48:59 GMT, "Al Mundy" > ><unknownr@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > Who is the habitual criminal in this discussion? And that has exactly what to do with your need for help? >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:16:34 GMT, "Al Mundy" ><unknownr@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > >And that has exactly what to do with your need for help? Got.. three strikes and you're out law in Wisconsin? > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:16:34 GMT, "Al Mundy" > ><unknownr@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] > > Got.. three strikes and you're out law in Wisconsin? And that has exactly what to do with your need for help? >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:04:07 GMT, "Al Mundy" ><unknownr@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 152 lines] > >And that has exactly what to do with your need for help? I don't need any help. You, however, are screaming for help. > >> >> >> >So that's what your therapist tells you, anyway. > >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I don't need any help. You, however, are screaming for help. Funny. I'm not the one playing internet tough guy. >> >> >> >> >So that's what your therapist tells you, anyway. >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Funny. I'm not the one playing internet tough guy. Funny, I'm not the one playing real life failed habitual petty criminal.That's your place in this life. That, and usenet punching bag. > >> >> >> >> >So that's what your therapist tells you, anyway. > >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > criminal.That's your place in this life. That, and usenet punching > bag. BWA! There goes spike again............. >> >> >> >> >> >So that's what your therapist tells you, anyway. >> >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >BWA! There goes spike again............. BWA! Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do.... >>> >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >> compiled [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Poor whites in rural areas = stupid. Poor minorities in urban areas = >brilliant. Kinda like how Michael Moore never met a dumb black guy, right? Don't mind Mundy, laws piss him off. >> >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >compiled [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >tells us the economy is doing fine because there are a couple indicators >heading upward. I called your view simplistic and haven't commented on the economy. >>> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled >>a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >But when they get out their red crayons and color all the wasteland >red, it looks so impressive! Isn't there a PETA protest you can wear those new leather boots to somewhere? >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >> >> > compiled [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > So is 51% of the vote being a "MANDATE". But I don't see you picking on > Bush for saying so. I'll pick on Bush for saying so. He's a stone cold dummy. >>> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >>> >> > compiled [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I'll pick on Bush for saying so. He's a stone cold dummy. So you and Bush have something in common, then? >>>> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >>>> >> > compiled [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > So you and Bush have something in common, then? I guess so. Thanks for pointing that out. >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER >> >> > compiled [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > So is 51% of the vote being a "MANDATE". But I don't see you picking on > Bush for saying so. No. Presidency + House + Senate = MANDATE. Unfortunately, the Senate Republicans forgot to pack their spines. LG Signature"The United States is like a giant boiler. When the fire is finally lighted under it, there is no limit to the power it can generate." - Winston Churchill >> >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled >a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >So is 51% of the vote being a "MANDATE". But I don't see you picking on >Bush for saying so. Bush isn't posting political horseshit in the Dallas Cowboys newsgroup. > >> >more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Bush isn't posting political horseshit in the Dallas Cowboys > newsgroup. No, just his low IQ backers. >> >> >more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >No, just his low IQ backers. I didn't know that you back Bush. > >> >> >more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I didn't know that you back Bush. We know you do. That's enough proof for most people. >> >> >> >more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >We know you do. Only against John Kerry. It was a good decision. >That's enough proof for most people. Proof of what? > >> >> >> >more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Proof of what? (exasperation) Proof that stupid people are more likely to support bush. >> >> >> >> >more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >(exasperation) Proof that stupid people are more likely to support bush. See my other post on the subject. >>>>>>>>>>more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > See my other post on the subject. The CNN polling data show that the least-educated folks, the ones who didn't even have a HS degree, were more likely to support Kerry. Signature"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act? He will conclude that he can do more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." - President Bill Clinton, explaining why Hussein must be forced to admit UN weapons inspectors, 1998 > >>>>>>>>>>more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > The CNN polling data show that the least-educated folks, the ones who > didn't even have a HS degree, were more likely to support Kerry. And the most-educated, those doing post grad work, were REALLY more likely to support him. >> > There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a >> > state 'average IQ' list. > > They do, however, keep track of adult literacy rates, and percentages of > the > population with degrees. Bringing literacy rates into this? How desperate. >>>There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a >>>state 'average IQ' list. > > They do, however, keep track of adult literacy rates, and percentages of the > population with degrees. > Oddly enough, they both show the same thing. More degrees, more literacy, > more votes for Kerry. VOTE BY EDUCATION No High School diploma: Bush 49%, Kerry 50% HS graduate: Bush 52%, Kerry 47% > more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. Sure. Whites have a higher average IQ than blacks. A majority of whites voted for bush, a huge majority of blacks for kerry. What does that tell you? The original posters' argument is even dumber. It means little that Conn has the highest IQ and voted for Kerry unless the breakdown shows that it was the high IQ folks in Conn who voted for Kerry. It probably wasn't.... Signature"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act? He will conclude that he can do more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." - President Bill Clinton, explaining why Hussein must be forced to admit UN weapons inspectors, 1998 > >>>There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > >>>state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No High School diploma: Bush 49%, Kerry 50% > HS graduate: Bush 52%, Kerry 47% Keep going. Show us how all the college degrees voted for......Kerry. > > more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > > Sure. Whites have a higher average IQ than blacks. Interesting notion. Got as URL? > A majority of whites > voted for bush, a huge majority of blacks for kerry. What does that tell > you? That blacks aren't as dumb as you seem to think they are. >>>>>There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a >>>>>state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Keep going. Show us how all the college degrees voted for......Kerry. LOL. College graduates: Bush 49%, Kerry 49% >>>more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. >> >>Sure. Whites have a higher average IQ than blacks. > Interesting notion. Got as URL? You're kidding, right? Would you also like a URL for my claim that the earth goes around the sun? Signature"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act? He will conclude that he can do more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." - President Bill Clinton, explaining why Hussein must be forced to admit UN weapons inspectors, 1998 > >>>>>There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > >>>>>state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > You're kidding, right? Would you also like a URL for my claim that the > earth goes around the sun? Your response is just plain dumb. You asserted that whites have higher IQ's. Prove it. > >>>>>There is no such thing as a list like this. No one has EVER compiled a > >>>>>state 'average IQ' list. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > You're kidding, right? Would you also like a URL for my claim that the > earth goes around the sun? Actually I'd like a URL for all your data. >>>>>more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Actually I'd like a URL for all your data. For the election results, which disproved your education claims by showing that those with *0* degrees voted for kerry more than bush while those with at least 1 degree voted more for Bush: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html And while we're at it, how about your URL's for your education/literacy claim? For IQ and race: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nisbett/racegen.pdf the last is one of many sources you could dig up just by plugging "black white IQ gap" into google. Signature"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act? He will conclude that he can do more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." - President Bill Clinton, explaining why Hussein must be forced to admit UN weapons inspectors, 1998 > >>>>>more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > showing that those with *0* degrees voted for kerry more than bush while > those with at least 1 degree voted more for Bush: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html OOPS! I guess you should have read your own data. It doesn't say what you said it says. Or did you miss the section on voting that said 55% of those doing postgrad study voted for Kerry? You may also want to read the disclaimer: Exit polls are a survey of selected voters taken soon after they leave their voting place. Pollsters use this sample information, collected from a small percentage of voters, to track and project how all voters or specific segments of the voters sided on a particular race or ballot measure. "small percentage of voters" > And while we're at it, how about your URL's for your education/literacy > claim? http://www.topalli.com/blue/ You'll also note that red states lead in all sorts of categories.. like divorce rates, dog kicking, child abuse, murders. etc. > For IQ and race: > > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nisbett/racegen.pdf > > the last is one of many sources you could dig up just by plugging "black > white IQ gap" into google. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Maybe you should read your own cites before using them! To quote from page 15 of your cite: "All evidence points to two extraordinarily important conclusions. First, if there are genetically-determined differences between the races in IQ, they are not sufficiently large to show up with any regularity in studies with a wide range of methodologies. Second, interventions designed to reduce the difference between blacks and whites are effective at every age level." Got any other cites to "support" your view???? >>>>>>>more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>showing that those with *0* degrees voted for kerry more than bush while >>those with at least 1 degree voted more for Bush: > http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html > > OOPS! I guess you should have read your own data. It doesn't say what you > said it says. Oops! You're not having a good day. It most assuredely does. I denied your claim that college grads voted more for kerry, and the data shows that more did not vote for kerry. I denied your claim that more degrees, more literacy = more votes for kerry, and supported that claim by showing that those with the *fewest degrees*, 0 degrees, voted for kerry, not bush. sheesh. > Or did you miss the section on voting that said 55% of those doing postgrad > study voted for Kerry? So what? "postgrad study" isn't a degree. And even if a majority with graduate degrees voted for kerry, that still wouldn't change the fact that your initial claim was debunked the moment i showed that most voters without any degrees at all voted for kerry as well. > You may also want to read the disclaimer: We all know the data may not be 100% accurate, but it's more data than you've come up with. >>And while we're at it, how about your URL's for your education/literacy >>claim? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You'll also note that red states lead in all sorts of categories.. like > divorce rates, dog kicking, child abuse, murders. etc. Meaningless, because just because a "blue state" has more highly-educated people than a "red state" does, or a higher average IQ, doesn't mean that *the highly educated people or higher IQ people within that blue state voted more for kerry than bush*. That's why my polling data is better: it cuts through the county/state nonsense and brings it down to the level that matters - the voter level. >>For IQ and race: >> >>http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nisbett/racegen.pdf >> >>the last is one of many sources you could dig up just by plugging "black >>white IQ gap" into google. > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! It's astonishing that someone can type so many "As" in a row while shooting themselves squarely in the foot.... Maybe you should read your own cites before using > them! To quote from page 15 of your cite: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > interventions designed to reduce the difference between blacks and whites > are effective at every age level." You don't even seem to realize how irrelevant this is. Astonishing... earth to mundy - the whole point of the study is to *explore the causes of the b/w IQ gap*. It takes that gap as *given* as a starting point for the study! sweet jeebus.... and why does it do so? because that's what just about every IQ/race study ever done has showed. > Got any other cites to "support" your view???? You do realize you're arguing against common knowledge, right? Why provide additional cites when you've proved you can't read and comprehend the ones already offered? Signature"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act? He will conclude that he can do more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." - President Bill Clinton, explaining why Hussein must be forced to admit UN weapons inspectors, 1998 > >>>>>>>more dumb voters = more votes for Bush. > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >>showing that those with *0* degrees voted for kerry more than bush while > >>those with at least 1 degree voted more for Bush: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html > > OOPS! I guess you should have read your own data. It doesn't say what you > > said it says. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > showing that those with the *fewest degrees*, 0 degrees, voted for > kerry, not bush. Read it again. Look at "VOTE BY EDUCATION" no college degree: Bush 53% Kerry 47% college degree Bush 49% Kerry 49% Therefore my claims are correct. The more educated, the more likely to vote for Kerry. The less education, the more likely to vote for Bush. You can also look at the breakdown no hs B 49 K 50 hs dipl B 52 K 47 some C B 54 K 46 col % B 52 K 46 postgrad B 44 K 55 Get the trend yet? Bush had a high of 54% in "some college". His percentages drop when the voter has more education. And by the way, as you look at those totals? Remember that post grad work means that those votes are NOT included in the "college degree" totals, since the total of all 5 education levels adds up to 100%. But those are indeed people with degrees. > sheesh. I suggest you do a few breakdowns on that same data. You can select different states and regions. For example, the east people with college degrees voted 59% Kerry, 40% Bush. The west voted 55% Kerry, 42% Bush Only in the south and midwest did Bush beat Kerry in degreed votes. I think we know what a college degree makes you in the midwest. A farmer who owns his cows. But at any rate, the data supports my claims. More education = more votes for Kerry. > > Or did you miss the section on voting that said 55% of those doing postgrad > > study voted for Kerry? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that your initial claim was debunked the moment i showed that most > voters without any degrees at all voted for kerry as well. And the data shows what I said, the more education, the more votes for Kerry. > > You may also want to read the disclaimer: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > That's why my polling data is better: it cuts through the county/state > nonsense and brings it down to the level that matters - the voter level. If you want a true look at Bush's mandate, look at the representations of the vote data here http://www.topalli.com/blue/ > >>For IQ and race: > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It's astonishing that someone can type so many "As" in a row while > shooting themselves squarely in the foot.... My foot is fine, but you may want to call brownie to get some help for yours. > Maybe you should read your own cites before using > > them! To quote from page 15 of your cite: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of the b/w IQ gap*. It takes that gap as *given* as a starting point for > the study! sweet jeebus.... And then proceeds to conclude that there is *NO* genetically-determined (read:race) difference that is measurable. Game, set, match. > and why does it do so? because that's what just about every IQ/race > study ever done has showed. > > > Got any other cites to "support" your view???? > > You do realize you're arguing against common knowledge, right? Common knowledge? "Common knowledge" means something known to those people clustered around the "average" on the bell curve. Doesn't mean truth.... > Why provide additional cites when you've proved you can't read and > comprehend the ones already offered? Might help if you would use cites that support your view instead of mine. > Read it again. Look at "VOTE BY EDUCATION" > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > col % B 52 K 46 > postgrad B 44 K 55 You may be correct, and you may not be. What is the margin of error? The differences are so small, you might actually be wrong. > Get the trend yet? Bush had a high of 54% in "some college". > His percentages drop when the voter has more education. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > levels adds up to 100%. But those are indeed people with > degrees. A larger percentage of the population is going to college today than, say, 20 years ago. As a young man with a college degree, almost 20 years ago, I would have been more likely to vote leftwards. Maturity and experience gained through these years makes me less likely to vote left. Actually, not at all. My guess is that when you look at persons aged 40-50 with college degrees, Bush gets the edge. There is little doubt that Kerry gets a larger percentage of persons younger, more likely more ignorant and immature, with or without college degrees. Secondly, I would like to see a break-down on the type of degree. I am sure Kerry gets an overwhelming majority of those degreed in English, sociology, anthropology, women's studies, Hispanic studies and the other soft sciences. Bush would do better with those with engineering, computer or business degrees. Frankly, you should have some kind of multiplier. For example, a person with a degree in Engineering is worth, perhaps, 10 persons who have a degree in women's studies. Simply put, the intellectual rigor required to get these degrees are not even in the same galaxy. -Tom Enright <snip> > > Read it again. Look at "VOTE BY EDUCATION" > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > error? The differences are so small, you might actually > be wrong. Considering this cite was used to prove me wrong, I think I made my point. > > Get the trend yet? Bush had a high of 54% in "some college". > > His percentages drop when the voter has more education. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > persons younger, more likely more ignorant and immature, with or > without college degrees. You mean those who may have to die for Bush's mistakes? > Secondly, I would like to see a break-down on the type of degree. > I am sure Kerry gets an overwhelming majority of those degreed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > rigor required to get these degrees are not even in the same > galaxy. Sounds like you have an engineering degree ;-) So much for college-degree meaning much of anything. Vote Jeb Bloosh November 14th 2008! TOO LATE, Suck a.s Blunder. DUHbya's goin' down and so is the rest of his Saudi Money Grubbin' Fumble Geed. >> Read it again. Look at "VOTE BY EDUCATION" >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > <snip> Bee-yoo-tee-ful !!! >studies and the other soft sciences. Bush would do better with >those with engineering, computer or business degrees. Frankly, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Well, OK, you're obviously right about the businessmen ($$$), but most computer scientists are leftist, and I don't think engineers go either way predominately. >you should have some kind of multiplier. For example, a person >with a degree in Engineering is worth, perhaps, 10 persons who >have a degree in women's studies. Simply put, the intellectual >rigor required to get these degrees are not even in the same >galaxy. Did you know that economics is just as much of a soft science as sociology is? Hell, those two fields share a lot of similarities. And "business" is just an applied version of economics; applied soft sciences are about as weak as it gets without delving into the humanities. As for "intellectual rigor," it should be self-evident that the practicality of a given profession is hardly linked with the intelligence required to work in it. The humanities and soft sciences that haven't obviously just been invented to make a certain group feel important (that is to say, not women's studies) are very rigorous in their research and the critiques of that research. And many of the soft sciences (like history, psychology, and, yes, economics) have plenty of practical use anyway. BTW, I notice that you stuck with applied sciences, and didn't mention any of the hard ones like physics, mathematics, or chemistry. People in those fields tend to be either leftist or just plain apolitical. Rob ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net SignatureOwner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from. Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as a good day on AGFF without JT bashing! Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc "There should be a rule that if you slack off while an American city is destroyed, and then your response is to fly around hugging people and making excuses, you have to stop being President. And if it happens again four years later, you _really_ have to stop." --Get Your War On (www.mnftiu.cc) 9/13/05 > Read it again. Look at "VOTE BY EDUCATION" > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Therefore my claims are correct. The more educated, the more likely to vote > for Kerry. The less education, the more likely to vote for Bush. ROFL! You omit the most important category: No HS degree = more votes for Kerry than Bush. > You can also look at the breakdown > no hs B 49 K 50 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Get the trend yet? Yes, you claimed "more degrees... more votes for kerry". So let's take a look: 0 degrees, k = 49% 1 degree (HS), k = 47% 2 degrees (HS+college bachelor's w/no grad study) k = 46% So instead of kerry's vote rising as "# of degrees" rises, we see that it *falls* as we go from 0 to 1 degree, and then falls from 1 to 2 degrees. Kerry doesn't get any more votes from college grads (no grad study) than he does from people who didn't even graduate from HS. De-Bunked. >>earth to mundy - the whole point of the study is to *explore the causes >>of the b/w IQ gap*. It takes that gap as *given* as a starting point for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Game, set, match. Yes - in my favor. Since of course the causes of the IQ gap between blacks and whites (whether it is caused by genetic differences or socio/economic differences or cultural differences) wasn't the issue, only the *existence* of the gap, which you foolishly questioned. Make no mistake: You might be blissfully unaware that blacks score on-average lower than whites on IQ tests, but the author of that article isn't. No educated person is. >>Why provide additional cites when you've proved you can't read and >>comprehend the ones already offered? > > Might help if you would use cites that support your view instead of mine. truly baffling..... Signature"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act? He will conclude that he can do more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." - President Bill Clinton, explaining why Hussein must be forced to admit UN weapons inspectors, 1998 > > Read it again. Look at "VOTE BY EDUCATION" > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > 0 degrees, k = 49% > 1 degree (HS), k = 47% High school gives degrees? Nice try......... > 2 degrees (HS+college bachelor's w/no grad study) k = 46% OOPS! Using that wrong number again! You own data says : no college degree 47% for Kerry College degree 49% for Kerry Don't you just hate having your own cite bite you in the a.s? > So instead of kerry's vote rising as "# of degrees" rises, we see that > it *falls* as we go from 0 to 1 degree, and then falls from 1 to 2 > degrees. Kerry doesn't get any more votes from college grads (no grad > study) than he does from people who didn't even graduate from HS. > > De-Bunked. You sure are. No degree 47% Kerry, College degree 49% Kerry, Grad work 55% Kerry Just as I said. The more degrees, the more votes for Kerry. > >>earth to mundy - the whole point of the study is to *explore the causes > >>of the b/w IQ gap*. It takes that gap as *given* as a starting point for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > socio/economic differences or cultural differences) wasn't the issue, > only the *existence* of the gap, which you foolishly questioned. You're the one who used that cite. It says you are wrong, there is no measurable difference based on race. If you want to prove your point, you have better come up with different cites. All the ones you've used prove me right. > Make no mistake: You might be blissfully unaware that blacks score > on-average lower than whites on IQ tests, but the author of that article [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > truly baffling..... Keep trying to spin those degree numbers. There must be SOME way you can make them say what you want them to say. > "stephenj" <sjarok@cox.net> wrote in message >>>Get the trend yet? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > High school gives degrees? Nice try......... er yes, don't you have one? From the US Census Bureau: "High School Graduates include people whose highest degree was a high school diploma".... What a farcical try on your part to not count a HS diploma as a degree... ROFL! >>2 degrees (HS+college bachelor's w/no grad study) k = 46% > OOPS! Using that wrong number again! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Don't you just hate having your own cite bite you in the a.s? can you really be this dumb? we're breaking the category down *further* than that. the 49% figure for 'college degree' lumps people with a bachelor's degree and people with either a masters or also 'some postgrad study' together. but that's not as useful to us as parsing out people who have just a bachelors from people who have a bachelors + perhaps a masters degree, because we want to see what happens to kerry's vote as we add degrees. As per your "more degrees... more votes for kerry" claim. so, let's see if you repeating it one more time will help you grasp it: 0 degrees (no HS): kerry 49% 1 degree (HS): kerry 47% 2 degrees (HS + college bachelors): 46% See? As the number of degrees rises, kerry's vote falls. Thereby de-bunking your theory. Yes, the data also show that those with "postgrad study" voted for kerry at a 55% rate. But >>So instead of kerry's vote rising as "# of degrees" rises, we see that >>it *falls* as we go from 0 to 1 degree, and then falls from 1 to 2 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Just as I said. The more degrees, the more votes for Kerry. Impossibly stupid. Or just dishonest? Who can say? >>>>earth to mundy - the whole point of the study is to *explore the causes >>>>of the b/w IQ gap*. It takes that gap as *given* as a starting point for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You're the one who used that cite. It says you are wrong, there is no > measurable difference based on race. You really can't be this dumb, can you? I said: "Whites have a higher average IQ than blacks." You said: "Interesting notion. Got a URL?" The article in the URL i posted acknowledges that whites have a higher average IQ than blacks. If you can't see that after it's been explained to you, that's not my fault. You seem to be confusing cause and effect: The effect (the IQ gap between blacks and whites) exists, regardless of whether any particular posited cause (environment, genetics, culture, etc.) explains the effect or not. As Al Browning said in another post: I didn't say _why_ whites have higher IQs than blacks, just that they do. And they surely do. Sorry about that. Signature"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act? He will conclude that he can do more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." - President Bill Clinton, explaining why Hussein must be forced to admit UN weapons inspectors, 1998 > > "stephenj" <sjarok@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > "High School Graduates include people whose highest degree was a high > school diploma".... "diploma" Exactly. Nobody counts a HS diploma as a Degree, the census bureau notwithstanding. Although I should have you quote the URL, since that one will probably bite you in the a.s too. > What a farcical try on your part to not count a HS diploma as a > degree... ROFL! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > As per your "more degrees... more votes for kerry" claim. Sounds great to me. The data you cited shows exactly that. > so, let's see if you repeating it one more time will help you grasp it: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > See? As the number of degrees rises, kerry's vote falls. Thereby > de-bunking your theory. |
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