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Samantha - 28 Jul 2004 09:50 GMT
Oh god! One of the most frustrating things in the world has happened.  My
husband bought me FFXI for PC for an anniversary present, which is great!
What sucks is that our PC just hasn't got the hardware capabilities to run
it...at all!  It won't even run the tester software from playonline!  I've
got to either upgrade graphics card or renew the whole thing (my fave idea).

What a sucky thing to happen!

Sam

Ps check out the case I'll get if I upgrade the PC!  Storm blue...
http://www.casedge.com/tower_diabolic.html
Corey Simonator - 28 Jul 2004 19:15 GMT
>Subject: Noooooooo!!!!!!
>From: "Samantha" samantha.randle1@btinternet.com
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>What a sucky thing to happen!

It could be worse. It could have worked.
Zohar Gilboa - 28 Jul 2004 23:17 GMT
>>Subject: Noooooooo!!!!!!
>>From: "Samantha" samantha.randle1@btinternet.com
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>It could be worse. It could have worked.

What, FFXI is bad? Most people say they enjoy it.

Zohar "No, not the infinite power source" Gilboa
Tyas - 28 Jul 2004 23:31 GMT
> What, FFXI is bad? Most people say they enjoy it.

I do in a 'gee, this is tough, not a 10 min to max level cakewalk like
everything that comes out' kind of way...
Rob Browning - 29 Jul 2004 01:36 GMT
>> What, FFXI is bad? Most people say they enjoy it.
>>
>I do in a 'gee, this is tough, not a 10 min to max level cakewalk like
>everything that comes out' kind of way...

Tedious != tough

Rob
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"'Hey, you know how you told interviewers that Final Fantasy VII
contained the meaning of life? I'm just wondering, is that part
of the game hidden because I never found it. Also is the fun part
of the game hidden because I never found that either.'
The next thing I remember I was laying on the floor with Hironobu
Sakaguchi standing over me saying 'Looks like he had an allergic
reaction ...to my fist!'"
--Jed Kirchner, Something Awful June 17

DJ Saltynuts - 29 Jul 2004 09:29 GMT
> >>Subject: Noooooooo!!!!!!
> >>From: "Samantha" samantha.randle1@btinternet.com
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Zohar "No, not the infinite power source" Gilboa

it is good, but it's different just not everyone's cup of cum!

laters

Dj
Mondo - 29 Jul 2004 22:05 GMT
> >Subject: Noooooooo!!!!!!
> >From: "Samantha" samantha.randle1@btinternet.com
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> It could be worse. It could have worked.

ooooooohhh snap!   oooohh diss!
Mike Robinson - 29 Jul 2004 23:35 GMT
> Oh god! One of the most frustrating things in the world has happened.  My
> husband bought me FFXI for PC for an anniversary present, which is great!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> What a sucky thing to happen!

You'd have needed to upgrade for Doom 3 anyway (which would be a far
superior purchase).
Jason Sawyer - 29 Jul 2004 23:18 GMT
>>Oh god! One of the most frustrating things in the world has happened.  My
>>husband bought me FFXI for PC for an anniversary present, which is great!
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> You'd have needed to upgrade for Doom 3 anyway (which would be a far
> superior purchase).

A ticket to Gigli would bve a superior purchase to FFXI.

Jason
L - 30 Jul 2004 17:01 GMT
> >>Oh god! One of the most frustrating things in the world has happened.  My
> >>husband bought me FFXI for PC for an anniversary present, which is great!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> A ticket to Gigli would bve a superior purchase to FFXI.

OUCH!

Seriously tho, FFXI is an MMORPG
Your experience is affected by how YOU approach the game, and the others you
meet in-game. If you fail to meet like-minded souls on your world (server)
you may not enjoy your experience. Soloing is possible - but if you like to
solo stick to a traditional RPG.

From my past experiences playing Asheron's Call (ACDM) and Asheron's Call
2 -- FFXI falls in the middle.

The original AC had a gameplay and storyline that was addictive. An
advantage AC had that FFXI does NOT have, is you were able to create chars
on ALL servers. So, you had the opportunity to 'visit' each server before
choosing where to level your main character. (Now, before any FFXI lover
"jumps" - there is an option within FFXI to purchase a worldpass in-game, so
your friends may start chars on your world. The big difference here is that
you need RL friends to share a worldpass with. ACDM allowed you to go
in-game, and choose the world you found most enjoyable).
The original AC ran on my old, slow computer and on dial-up - amazingly
well. The game crapped out after a few years when macros and 3rd party hacks
ruined the in-game economy. The developers were helpless against it, and
adopted a policy forbidding only unattended combat macros... allowing and
even creating a special 'marketplace' for trade bots and buffing bots.

AC2- Fallen Kings was crap. Whatever potential the game had was destroyed
within the first few months by developer re-defining of character skills and
by player drop-off. The game was also hampered by a total inability to solo
through the mid levels. (No solo plus no players = no gameplay).

FFXI is holding my interest. It lacks the complete immersion in storyline AC
had -- Baelzharon walked the game during the shadow invasion -- and solo
players could and DID affect storylines in their world. The lack of
background, however, is not for lack of trying on the developers part. And
some of the events - like summerfest - are enjoyable if you want to meet new
folks and see new sites. The crafting system and the player Auction Houses
and individual bazaars are the basis of a vital in-game economy. Solo play
is possible at ALL levels for most jobs (a tarutaru white mage has a
difficult time - but it can be done). Group play is encouraged by a
six-person 'party' system, and with support AND damage jobs, most monsters
are more efficiently dispatched while grouped.

When you upgrade go ahead and plunge right in! If you land in Asura, give me
a tell in-game.

Dabby
Brd/Whm
FFXI - Asura
Techy Guy - 30 Jul 2004 01:24 GMT
>Oh god! One of the most frustrating things in the world has happened.  My
>husband bought me FFXI for PC for an anniversary present, which is great!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Ps check out the case I'll get if I upgrade the PC!  Storm blue...
>http://www.casedge.com/tower_diabolic.html

Usually if it doesnt run it is directly related to the video card...
Should be an easy and not to expensive fix.
Jason Sawyer - 30 Jul 2004 04:41 GMT
>>Oh god! One of the most frustrating things in the world has happened.  My
>>husband bought me FFXI for PC for an anniversary present, which is great!
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Usually if it doesnt run it is directly related to the video card...
> Should be an easy and not to expensive fix.

Not if the CPU is crap.

Jason - if it's a Celeron, don't f.cking bother
Michele Dall'Agata - 30 Jul 2004 11:36 GMT
>> Usually if it doesnt run it is directly related to the video card...
>> Should be an easy and not to expensive fix.
>
> Not if the CPU is crap.
>
> Jason - if it's a Celeron, don't f.cking bother

Why? What's wrong with Celeron?? Aren't 2.3GHz enough to run a stupid
videogame? I am really asking.

Ciao,
Michele - Who knows nothing about PC hardware for videogames
Rob Browning - 30 Jul 2004 16:12 GMT
>>> Usually if it doesnt run it is directly related to the video card...
>>> Should be an easy and not to expensive fix.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Why? What's wrong with Celeron?? Aren't 2.3GHz enough to run a stupid
>videogame? I am really asking.

The idea that clock speed has much of anything to do with performance
across CPU models went out with the P3.  An Athlon 1.83GHz is
equivalent to a P4 2.5GHz.  Celerons are far worse than either of
those.

Rob
ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR@charter.net

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Owner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly
because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from.

Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as
a good day on AGFF without JT bashing!

Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc

"'Hey, you know how you told interviewers that Final Fantasy VII
contained the meaning of life? I'm just wondering, is that part
of the game hidden because I never found it. Also is the fun part
of the game hidden because I never found that either.'
The next thing I remember I was laying on the floor with Hironobu
Sakaguchi standing over me saying 'Looks like he had an allergic
reaction ...to my fist!'"
--Jed Kirchner, Something Awful June 17

Michele Dall'Agata - 30 Jul 2004 16:48 GMT
>>> Not if the CPU is crap.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> equivalent to a P4 2.5GHz.  Celerons are far worse than either of
> those.

Yes, it depends on the internal parallelism of the CPU as well, set of
instructions, cache and bla-bla-bla. But personally I checked around months
ago and I understood that the Celeron was still a P4 with a lower bus speed
(400MHz). Actually the clock I have is 2.6GHz. I mean, it is supposed to be
far superior than the PS2 cpu or what? Also I discovered that my graphics
card (Intel 82845GL) is not compatible with FFXI either. That sucks. I can
run FFXI on my console and I can't run it on my  lap-top? I think I will
stick with console's videogames, then. I hate PCs anyhow.

Ciao,
Michele
Jason Sawyer - 30 Jul 2004 21:17 GMT
>>>>Not if the CPU is crap.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Ciao,
> Michele

It's also the cache (P4 has 512k of L2 cache, Celerons 128k).  Celerons
just can't handle that much, period.  They're good and cheap for people
who just go on the internet, but that's about it.

You have to also consider that computers are handling a LOT more at once
than a console - a console focuses 100% of its resources on the game,
and that's it.  PCs have to handle the game, Windows, and about 30 other
programs running underneath it all at once.  A Celeron is like a
retarded P4 - imagine a ret...er, mentally-challenged person and a
normal person, each can run a mile in 4 minutes.  But the normal person
can chew gum and talk on his cell phone while running that mile, while
the retar....mentally-challenged person can just run that mile.  He's
the Celeron.

Morale of the story?  Take back FFXI for PC and go buy a retarded kid
who can run a mile in 4 minutes.

Jason
Michele Dall'Agata - 31 Jul 2004 13:33 GMT
>> Yes, it depends on the internal parallelism of the CPU as well, set of
>> instructions, cache and bla-bla-bla. But personally I checked around
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> lap-top? I think I will stick with console's videogames, then. I hate PCs
>> anyhow.

> It's also the cache (P4 has 512k of L2 cache, Celerons 128k).

Ah, ok. That does make a difference.

> Celerons
> just can't handle that much, period.  They're good and cheap for people
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and that's it.  PCs have to handle the game, Windows, and about 30 other
> programs running underneath it all at once.

Jesus Christ. I still don't get it. I do understand about the graphics card,
if it is crap forget it (the problem, in my case, is that it is missing a
function used by FFXI). But the why the CPU (I mean, still talking about a
P4 family)? It is a videogame, it doesn't have to compute Quantum Mechanics.
Is it Windows really THAT bad in term of resource consuming (forget about
the resident programs, you may kill them in case, but still looking at the
task manager they consume a couple pc of CPU)? Well, I don't know. Maybe a
should try one. GTA VC for PC is supposed to run on my laptop. The problem
would be to find it.

Ciao,
Michele
 
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