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My band. Inna studio, and yeah.
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Jonathan McArthur - 24 Jul 2004 17:07 GMT Off-topic and whatever.
Okay. After, well, ages, I got to play with the university's Pro Tools studio for a couple of days. Thanks, performance course! Engineered by Stu Harwood [he did a brilliant job, BTW]. Meet the Rad Skateboarders...
My song: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3
Tom's song: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/the_long_wait.mp3
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Vin - 25 Jul 2004 04:30 GMT >Off-topic and whatever. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >My song: >http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 nice guitar, very nice song, drums a bit sloppy at times, weak voice though, singing too thom yorke wannabe. with a proper singer this would be a great song.
>Tom's song: >http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/the_long_wait.mp3 of all the 'listen to my mp3' links i've clicked on in my days surfing usenet, that was the first time i actually heard a good voice. the weak link is ALWAYS the singer. is tom in your band? have him sing all your songs and hold on to him, good singers are very very hard to come by. he sounds a bit too liam gallagher at times though.. oh and the token filler solo is lame, don't play a solo unless it sounds fantastic.
Jonathan McArthur - 25 Jul 2004 05:35 GMT Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Vin:
>> Off-topic and whatever. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 > nice guitar, very nice song, drums a bit sloppy at times, Thanks, and fair call on the drums. Put it this way: that's the best they were going to get.
> weak voice though, singing too thom yorke wannabe. with > a proper singer this would be a great song. Yeah, I don't like my voice much either. It's so unreliable it's not funny. Well. It seems to be improving slowly, I guess, so maybe when I'm fifty I'll be a good singer. Hmm. Thom Yorke? I don't hear it m'self; I suppose I'll just have to be more careful with my melody writing. [Unless you mean my enunciation is derivative or something like that?]
>> Tom's song: >> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/the_long_wait.mp3 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > at times though.. oh and the token filler solo is lame, don't > play a solo unless it sounds fantastic. Yes, Tom's in my band. I'd hold on to him [in an exceptionally manly way] but the bastard got into Berklee so he's pissing off to the States next year. I quite like his solo; sounds George Harrison-y, which is cool. It's not perfect [maybe a little stilted in places] but it's far from horrible.
Thanks for the constructive feedback -- much appreciated.
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Vin - 25 Jul 2004 16:58 GMT >>> My song: >>> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 >> nice guitar, very nice song, drums a bit sloppy at times, >Thanks, and fair call on the drums. Put it this way: that's the best >they were going to get. i really like the drums, overall they're nice, but they're a bit too loose sometimes.. and some of the transitions could have been smoother.. 2:04 makes me cringe, 3:52 could have used a big floor tom hit or flam, etc.. i really like the guitar at 3:03, thats a nice transition.
>> weak voice though, singing too thom yorke wannabe. with >> a proper singer this would be a great song. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >suppose I'll just have to be more careful with my melody writing. >[Unless you mean my enunciation is derivative or something like that?] both in melody and enunciation, even your overdubs. you're basically thom yorke in a lower octave. but whatever, its one song, who knows how the others sound. i wouldn't worry about that at all. the problem is the weakness and thinness of the voice, its very shaky. to put it bluntly it sounds (good) amateurish, while the other elements of the song sound professional.
>>> Tom's song: >>> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/the_long_wait.mp3 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >cool. It's not perfect [maybe a little stilted in places] but it's far >from horrible. i find it boring, like its just there to kill time, as if it was a first take improv. if he played the lead on zoetrope than he can definitely write something more interesting, fitting and/or melodic..
what instrument(s) do you guys study? you should put up more songs, they're good. and maybe advertise in a newsgroup that hasn't been dead for three years.
Jonathan McArthur - 25 Jul 2004 18:53 GMT Here sits a once-good gardener, pale as a shadow of a Vin:
>>>> My song: >>>> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > smoother.. 2:04 makes me cringe, 3:52 could have used a big floor tom > hit or flam, etc.. It has a lot to do with Leah being an orchestral percussionist / jazz drummer [and completely unaccustomed to playing this sort of music] and that I pretty much had to tell her exactly what to play right through the song. She's used to playing off a score, so she isn't as intuitive as an experienced rock drummer. When I didn't know precisely what I wanted, things like the unconvincing lead-in at 2:04 occured. Her background in mind, though, I was really impressed at how she pulled it all together.
> i really like the guitar at 3:03, thats a nice transition. Thankee.
>>> weak voice though, singing too thom yorke wannabe. with >>> a proper singer this would be a great song. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > bluntly it sounds (good) amateurish, while the other elements of the > song sound professional. Fair points. The only real solution is to work harder. Or, as you suggested, get another singer, but I think I'd rather rule out my potential for improvement before I take that route.
>>>> Tom's song: >>>> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/the_long_wait.mp3 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > definitely > write something more interesting, fitting and/or melodic.. Ah well. Tom was happy with it at the time anyway.
Incidentally, he did the lead parts in the first 2m:30s of my song, the octave part in the choruses and the chiming, high-register right-panned chords in the bridge. Everything else, bass and drums excepted, is me.
> what instrument(s) do you guys study? you should put up more songs, > they're good. and maybe advertise in a newsgroup that hasn't been dead > for three years. I auditioned for the performance course as a guitarist. Tom did the same. Leah's a drummer, obviously. My friend Dave is our bassist; he finished his music degree last year and the Music Department were short a bassist for my performance year group, so they put him on the payroll.
More songs? We don't have any other songs! The recording sessions were an assessment for our performance paper [and all the remaining assessment for this year is in live performance. If I manage to weasel my way back in to the studio this year it'll be to record my own band. I have no idea whether or not that'll happen.
As for the newsgroups: nah. I don't want to spam any groups I don't already post to. I'll readily listen to recordings by a regular poster but I don't download songs from people whose first post in a forum is "HI LISTEN TO MY MP3Z DOOD". So, I wouldn't expect anyone to make an exception for me.
Cheers again for the critique -- informed criticism is hard to come by. I hope I'm not putting you out; feel free to tell me to f.ck off if you're sick of getting badgered.
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Vin - 25 Jul 2004 20:11 GMT >It has a lot to do with Leah being an orchestral percussionist / jazz >drummer [and completely unaccustomed to playing this sort of music] and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >background in mind, though, I was really impressed at how she pulled it >all together. jazz drummers are generally the most intuitive of them all, and the best the best rock drummers were often jazz drummers. i like what she did, it fits the song, just needs to be tightened up and tweaked a bit. very warm drums.
>Fair points. The only real solution is to work harder. Or, as you >suggested, get another singer, but I think I'd rather rule out my >potential for improvement before I take that route. im sure you can work it out
>I auditioned for the performance course as a guitarist. Tom did the >same. Leah's a drummer, obviously. My friend Dave is our bassist; he [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >my way back in to the studio this year it'll be to record my own band. I >have no idea whether or not that'll happen. cool, good luck
TJ Hertz - 26 Jul 2004 00:47 GMT > >It has a lot to do with Leah being an orchestral percussionist / jazz > >drummer [and completely unaccustomed to playing this sort of music] and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > jazz drummers are generally the most intuitive of them all, and the best > the best rock drummers were often jazz drummers. Perhaps true, but the best jazz drummers often can't play rock for sh.t. Case in point: Buddy Rich - and I'm sure he *thought* he could play rock perfectly well.
TJ
erniewish - 21 Aug 2004 04:21 GMT > Off-topic and whatever. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My song: > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 The good: Sounds decent, and you guys seem to gel together pretty well in certain sections, and seem to compromise well in terms of sonic intensity and parts played.
The bad: Probably the most derivative piece of work I've ever heard. Truly a cover of an RH song that the band forgot to write during The Bends era. You do a rather masterful impersonation of Thom, though, but I could never hear that song and not think of Radiohead. Solo is wanky.
Still, you guys can obviously play your instruments well enough to go off in your own direction should you ever be inspired to be unique. My advice? Stop listening to Radiohead for a year. Celtic music, Indian film scores, zydeco...anything to get the rh outta your blood. -ernieWish
Paperback Rioter - 21 Aug 2004 10:08 GMT > > Off-topic and whatever. > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > film scores, zydeco...anything to get the rh outta your blood. > -ernieWish I hear a lot of Interpol in there, not a lot of RH.
Jonathan McArthur - 23 Aug 2004 06:28 GMT >>>http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 >>The good: Sounds decent, and you guys seem to gel together pretty well [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>film scores, zydeco...anything to get the rh outta your blood. > I hear a lot of Interpol in there, not a lot of RH. Y'know, I still haven't gotten around to listening to their album. Ser-lack I am.
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Jonathan McArthur - 23 Aug 2004 05:35 GMT >>http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 > The good: Sounds decent, and you guys seem to gel together pretty well [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > advice? Stop listening to Radiohead for a year. Celtic music, Indian > film scores, zydeco...anything to get the rh outta your blood. Thanks for the comments. I'm kind of struggling with hearing the Bends-era resemblance, except for probably the vocals. I didn't realise I was emulating Thom's singing until a couple of people pointed it out. I think you're probably right with the "Stop listening to Radiohead" advice. My music collection isn't as diverse as it ought to be and I guess that's become apparent in the music I write. Cheers.
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Vin - 23 Aug 2004 06:45 GMT >>>http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 >> The good: Sounds decent, and you guys seem to gel together pretty well [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >advice. My music collection isn't as diverse as it ought to be and I >guess that's become apparent in the music I write. Cheers. i just noticed this post, ignore this guy for the simple fact that he said your song was the most derivative piece of work he's ever heard. either he doesn't know what derivative means, or he's been living in a cave his whole life or he's just an idiot. i'm going with #3. either way not an opinion worth listening to. wow look, theres a hives video on tv, your song isn't even the most derivative thing i've heard in the last 30 seconds.
you can't help but be influenced by someone else, if you fight your instincts it'll probably sound like you're trying too hard. very very very few artists actually create something unique.. instead of intentionally trying to make something unique just for the sake of it being different, just make something that you like and hopefully what you like sounds good. buddy rich said it best, a great musicisian is just someone who doesn't get caught stealing.
NegativeFactor - 23 Aug 2004 17:40 GMT >>>>http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/zoetrope.mp3 >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > you like sounds good. buddy rich said it best, a great musicisian is > just someone who doesn't get caught stealing. Here Here
James Q. Morrissey - 23 Aug 2004 10:30 GMT > Thanks for the comments. I'm kind of struggling with hearing the > Bends-era resemblance, except for probably the vocals. I didn't realise > I was emulating Thom's singing until a couple of people pointed it out. > I think you're probably right with the "Stop listening to Radiohead" > advice. My music collection isn't as diverse as it ought to be and I > guess that's become apparent in the music I write. Cheers. i agree with whoever said your singing reminded them more of paul banks (interpol) than thom yorke's. i thought it would be rather cheeky to offer any actual advice but this last guy did it rudely enough and got away with it - what i'd say about the singing is that it's something i used to do when recording myself, which is sing the melody tunefully enough but, kinda of weakly, so it sounds a little soft even though the right notes are there. i get by that now by thinking "if i was on stage and had to belt this out so it sounded like i meant it or something, how would i do it?" and it normally yields a stronger performance. just my two cents, anyway.
oh, and it doesn't sound like radiohead. sounds pretty british, though. something from . . . 1997. or 1998 perhaps. and my final thought - the guitars need more of a kick to them at the parts where they're meant to be loud, because they're at almost the same volume as they are during the rest of the song (and they keep their smoothness) and it robs the song of its dynamics. come on man, i know you be digging that soma sh.t and etcetera. unless, o' course, it's meant to be like that.
JQM
P.S. on second listening i quite like it.
Paperback Rioter - 23 Aug 2004 11:13 GMT > > Thanks for the comments. I'm kind of struggling with hearing the > > Bends-era resemblance, except for probably the vocals. I didn't realise [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > P.S. on second listening i quite like it. thats some damn well put feedback.
Jonathan McArthur - 23 Aug 2004 13:36 GMT > i agree with whoever said your singing reminded them more of paul banks > (interpol) than thom yorke's. i thought it would be rather cheeky to offer [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it sounded like i meant it or something, how would i do it?" and it normally > yields a stronger performance. just my two cents, anyway. I guess different methods work for different people. My voice, as it is now, simply isn't cut out for singing that kind of music. If I push it any harder than the delivery in, say, the last chorus of Zoetrope, it has a tendency to break (in a cheese-filled James Hetfield way, not the adolescent way). And then my throat starts to hurt. I just wanted to record a rock song, I guess, no matter how little my voice is suited to the style.
> oh, and it doesn't sound like radiohead. sounds pretty british, though. > something from . . . 1997. or 1998 perhaps. and my final thought - the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > dynamics. come on man, i know you be digging that soma sh.t and etcetera. > unless, o' course, it's meant to be like that. Incidentally, I wrote the song around this time last year after a brief infatuation with Death Cab For Cutie's earlier material. If it was influenced by anyone it'd be that band, sans the singing.
As for the guitars, well, I wanted the choruses to kick some a.s, but we were a bit limited by the fact that my Tele sounds crap with too much distortion and Thom's Strat is a Clapton blues machine. When the guitars were mixed higher in the choruses, they just sounded too loud rather than punchier. Oh well.
> P.S. on second listening i quite like it. Thank you. How's your band coming along?
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James Q. Morrissey - 23 Aug 2004 22:46 GMT > As for the guitars, well, I wanted the choruses to kick some a.s, but we > were a bit limited by the fact that my Tele sounds crap with too much > distortion and Thom's Strat is a Clapton blues machine. When the guitars > were mixed higher in the choruses, they just sounded too loud rather > than punchier. Oh well. yeah, that sounds like a bitch. that's why real bands get all those studio engineers and producers and whatnot, innit?
> > P.S. on second listening i quite like it. > > Thank you. How's your band coming along? you're nice to ask. it's finishing - in about nine days my bassist is moving to south africa and i'm leaving to start a new life in the fair city of edinburgh. we're doing some intensive home recording right now in the hopes of making a 12 or 13 track album to collect some of the better songs we've written over the past few years. it is a beatch. i know now more than before why most amateur bands restrict recording to a few tracks or an EP's worth of material - whole albums are too much of a pain in the a.s when you don't have the proper equipment, knowhow, any real incentive or pressure to finish other than your own satisfaction (which, is fair enough, quite powerful but outweighed by the other factors) and won't get a proper sounding end product.
JQM
Jonathan McArthur - 23 Aug 2004 22:52 GMT >>>P.S. on second listening i quite like it. >>Thank you. How's your band coming along? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > outweighed by the other factors) and won't get a proper sounding end > product. Multiplied hassle really, isn't it? Anyway, um, that must be a bit annoying that it's all coming to an end. Do you have any material online?
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James Q. Morrissey - 25 Aug 2004 12:50 GMT > >>>P.S. on second listening i quite like it. > >>Thank you. How's your band coming along? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Multiplied hassle really, isn't it? Anyway, um, that must be a bit > annoying that it's all coming to an end. Do you have any material online? uh, not yet. the not-too-distant future. maybe today, actually. anyhow, i'll post when i have something.
JQM
Saint Avenger - 23 Aug 2004 23:06 GMT So says James Q. Morrissey:
> you're nice to ask. it's finishing I know how that is; my band finished earlier in the summer due to a drummer moving away.
Anyway, I am moving into a new apartment in a new city for university next month, and I am going to be putting up ads all over campus advertising my services, so hopefully I'll get something new on the go here soon.
- Avenger
DarkSheer - 24 Aug 2004 16:17 GMT >> i agree with whoever said your singing reminded them more of paul >> banks (interpol) than thom yorke's. i thought it would be rather [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > hurt. I just wanted to record a rock song, I guess, no matter how > little my voice is suited to the style. Ya, but it definatly adds something to the song. I like it, to be honest. You need to get inna studio more often. All I can say, is practice. You can only get better.
>> oh, and it doesn't sound like radiohead. sounds pretty british, >> though. something from . . . 1997. or 1998 perhaps. and my final [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > brief infatuation with Death Cab For Cutie's earlier material. If it > was influenced by anyone it'd be that band, sans the singing. Ya, I can definatly hear it alittle bit. What kind of music major are you studying, btw?
> As for the guitars, well, I wanted the choruses to kick some a.s, but > we were a bit limited by the fact that my Tele sounds crap with too [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thank you. How's your band coming along? I would love to hear more. Zoetrope is on my playlist anywho.
Ryan
Jonathan McArthur - 25 Aug 2004 16:17 GMT >>I guess different methods work for different people. My voice, as it >>is now, simply isn't cut out for singing that kind of music. If I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>little my voice is suited to the style. > Ya, but it definatly adds something to the song. I like it, to be honest. Cracking voices?
> You need to get inna studio more often. All I can say, is practice. You can > only get better. This is true. Maybe I should start smoking again. That made my voice rough as hell.
Example (from November 2002, my tobacco heyday): http://britney.paradise.net.nz/dynamite8/i_am_unicron.mp3
>>Incidentally, I wrote the song around this time last year after a >>brief infatuation with Death Cab For Cutie's earlier material. If it >>was influenced by anyone it'd be that band, sans the singing. > Ya, I can definatly hear it alittle bit. What kind of music major are you > studying, btw? Contemporary performance (hence the recording assignment), arrangement, classical theory and chorale harmony.
> I would love to hear more. Zoetrope is on my playlist anywho. Cool, cheers for listening. I don't have any more recording projects on the horizon. Might try to get a batch of songs recorded around Christmas but I need to finish writing the damn things first...
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